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March 15, 2010

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Texascane

First?

Canez1

That's what she said....

GO CANEZ!!!!!

calGaryCane

FIRST!

DZ8

dam

Daytoncane

i always start first, but i never finish first.

get some.

USAFCane

With 3 votes in we are predicting that 3yrs with significant pay increase is what will win.

DZ8

I haven't heard anyone else comment on the story, I think from Barry Jackson, a couple of days ago. It was just a little blip in the story but it caught my attention.

They were talking about Matt Elam and how Miami might've had a chance at recruiting him but his coach said that Miami quit showing up at his school. When Whipple found out he was so pissed he flipped a table.

Some different possibilities on this one.

1. Randy/Hurtt thought getting Elam was a long shot so why waste resources on him. But shouldn't Whipple have been in the loop if that is the case?

2. Maybe we did have a chance at him but Hurtt pulled the plug too soon. I've heard other "whispers" that Hurtt wasn't perfect and made some mistakes this past year (Chandler situation).


Anyways, I was just surprised no one else commented on that. Any other thoughts on this?

USAFCane

flew 10 hours back to USA yesterday and will be here about 2 months. I watched 4 movies on the plane and didn't realise how bad things were on the movie front:

New Moon - fell asleep half way through. aweful, ooh who should I be with the vampaire or the werewolf boy without the shirt. look Dacota Fanning. The End.

Some movie about a female roller blade team - aweful, switched it off

The Damned United - english, not aweful but not great, saw the whole thing

The Blind Side - decent movie and a true story. I like it when somone overcome so much and makes it.

Movie reviews over

DZ8

The Blind Side - decent movie and a true story. I like it when somone overcome so much and makes it.

Movie reviews over

Posted by: USAFCane | March 15, 2010 at 04:13 PM

Haven't seen it yet but read the book. You are right, GREAT STORY.

86Cane

2. Maybe we did have a chance at him but Hurtt pulled the plug too soon. I've heard other "whispers" that Hurtt wasn't perfect and made some mistakes this past year (Chandler situation).

Posted by: DZ8 | March 15, 2010 at 04:09 PM

Could have been either or (1 or 2). I never heard Elam was headed to UM but there is a reason why Hurtt isn't here anymore. Randy gave the impression a year ago that Hurrt was his "best man". Not so much...

86Cane

FIRST!

Posted by: calGaryCane | March 15, 2010 at 04:00 PM

Calgary...welcome to The Space. Post here, post often!

86Cane

That's what she said....

Posted by: Canez1 | March 15, 2010 at 04:00 PM

She sure does talk a lot?

WGT22

WG - LOL I live in Charlotte and we are nowhere near pool days yet!

Posted by: CGNC | March 15, 2010 at 03:11 PM

The 80's will be heading toward the Queen City soon enough. Hang in there ... Til then, U always have NASCAR !!!

http://www.weather.com/weather/monthly/USNC0121?month=1

Gin & Tonic

Haven't seen it yet but read the book. You are right, GREAT STORY.

Posted by: DZ8 | March 15, 2010 at 04:24 PM

I can't wait to read the one about the defensive coordinator that got promoted to head coach at his Alma mater and led the team to multiple national championships.

DZ8

I'm working on it now^^^^^

Caneslegend

I am happy with all the decisions Randy has made over the last 3 years? No. Does he deserve an extension? Yes. 3 years but no more than that. The true test of his coach worthiness will be this year and the next. If he doesn't get it down he has to go.

Go Canes

CGNC

WGT - LOL you are right about that - not a fan of that though :-D speed up, turn left, speed up, turn left - LOL.

Caneslegend I am with you - this year will be very telling

Cat 5 Cane

I don't see a rush to sign contract now... randy is serviving on what he has.

Look at it next year, after NC game and sign him to a 3 or a 5 year deal, depending on wins in 2010 and how far we go towards NC.

Buddy

There is not one coach in Div 1 NCAA or NFL that will be coaching on the last year of their deal. Try and prove me wrong. Resign Randy now.

woobirdsatsunlife

Great article. (1 minor typo; "site" 2nd sentence, 2nd pgph. should read "cite")

WGT22

WGT - LOL you are right about that - not a fan of that though :-D speed up, turn left, speed up, turn left - LOL.

Caneslegend I am with you - this year will be very telling

Posted by: CGNC | March 15, 2010 at 04:45 PM


What's Ur favorite # ?

roachcane77

3 yrs, w/ significant... (Make him feel appreciated, but keep him hungry!)

DZ8

It is almost impossible to recruit on a one year contract. He needs to be re-signed to at least two years, but even that will be remarkably short and others will use it against us. Three years avg. between 1.5-2 million, with a acceptable buy out price tag in case we need to fire him. (We re-signed Coker way too soon and paid for it for awhile afterwards.)

SlingBlade

oh well..im a slow reader...

Buddy

There is not one coach in Div 1 NCAA or NFL that will be coaching on the last year of their deal. Try and prove me wrong. Resign Randy now.

j.w.

DZ- i'm with 86 on this one, the fact that Hurtt is not here anymore speaks volumes about how Shannon really felt on our recruiting success as well as the DL performance.

DZ8

Actions speak louder than words right?


Esteban I got your mock draft and as a Dolphin fan I'm not very happy. I want McClain AND Cody with our first two picks. Probably just dreaming I know:) I'll make some comments and email them back to you. Most picks make a lot of sense.

SOUP

Caneslegend I am with you - this year will be very telling

Posted by: CGNC | March 15, 2010 at 04:45 PM

I have only moderate to high expectations for 2010. VERY HIGH expectations for 2011.

The "Five Year Plan" will be complete by then. I hope, I wish, I know...

SOUP

There is not one coach in Div 1 NCAA or NFL that will be coaching on the last year of their deal. Try and prove me wrong. Resign Randy now.

Posted by: Buddy | March 15, 2010 at 05:13 PM

U are correct sir!

j.w.

There is not one coach in Div 1 NCAA or NFL that will be coaching on the last year of their deal. Try and prove me wrong. Resign Randy now.

Posted by: Buddy | March 15, 2010 at 05:13 PM

U are correct sir!

Paterno?

mr troutman

Holcutt will look like a moron once Randy and these Canes when the national championship soon. Shannon will earn his stripes and do what is best for this team. Holcutt is listening to Bs people anyways. The results speaks louder than words. Shannon took this program from a septic tank to a Marine general quaters( by the way are one of the clenest around) all in three years. He had to start freshmen to compete with senoirs and juniors from other schools. Well that time has passed and we are now close to our goal of COMPLETE DOMINANCE. One more thing Mr Holcutt who will get to replace him...Remember he has to recruit well in South Florida, know the high school coaches as well as know the Miami area and kids. No hick ass coach will do for Miami nor do we need so lame to come down that doesn't know Miami style ball. Imagine having lame Kiifin dowen here..WTF. U see getting a coach at Miami is no easy task.

mr troutman

3 yrs, w/ significant... (Make him feel appreciated, but keep him hungry!)

Posted by: roachcane77 | March 15, 2010 at 05:08 PM

Shannon will always be hungry...the money don't mean jack sh...$t without any titles. Some coaches make millions and still have their program looking like an Ivy league when it comes to sports...just plain mediocre. Miami has always done more with less.. Shannon will prove it to us this year with his measley contract dispute.

86Cane

55 votes...44% are for the 3 Year Deal.

86Cane

U are correct sir!

Paterno?

Posted by: j.w. | March 15, 2010 at 05:45 PM

Not sure on that one, but obviously a totally different situation.

shwarma

Montreal - Jeff Driskel from Oviedo is the answer to your question.

Randy needs a contract by summer when recruiting really heats up. I think this will get ironed out and I think that more money, low buyout is the way to go on a 3-yr deal:

1.65-1.75M with a $100,000 buyout

86Cane

I think that more money, low buyout is the way to go on a 3-yr deal.

Posted by: shwarma | March 15, 2010 at 06:15 PM

Shwarma...word on the street is that the buyout clause is one of the sticking points. As U may have guessed, Randy wants it high, UM wants it low.

shwarma

I know, and the thing is Randy needs to realize that he can't have both. His motivation to earn more is not get fired.

canesteeler

Shwarma RS is not going to sign a deal with a $100,000 buy out. I have questions about RS but he is being treated unfairly by the U. How in the hell is a coach is expected to recruit when he is a lame duck. If you want to play with the big boys act like a big boy. RS is being set up for failure by the University!

canesteeler

I don't want to start any shat but the blue bloods at the U are not happy with RS. I know for sure that other schools are telling white QB's to not consider the U because they will not get playing time. A very close friend of mine out in Cali has a son who happens to be white and is considered a top QB and the shat they tell me other schools is saying about the U is crazy! RS needs to take the kid gloves off and get this shat corrected.

Sebastian(2001U G.O.A.T.)

This is Miami

He is the as pure Cane as it gets. They shouldnt nit pick with the man.

Reward the man for what he has done

There is no way they can say he hasnt held up his end of the bargain up to this point.

Whats the reason to think he wont keep improving

Crap or get the hell off the pot with the contract Hocutt and company

Sebastian(2001U G.O.A.T.)

oops....meant it...he is as pure Cane

shwarma

I understand what you are saying Canesteeler but this is my point, Randy says he knows people expect a winner. Well if he expects it of himself, he should need zero buyout.

The system is unfair and its unfortunate its this dog and pony show with the admin and it hurts recruiting, but the reality is if randy were to get fired, he should be able to survive just fine and I am sure will be picked up for a NCAA DC or NFL position coaching job in no time.

WGT22

Shannon supporters claim ...

Shannon doubters on the other hand claim ...

Excellent unbiased points on both sides. It seems to me, and I have no inside info, but before this past season, Randy had a solid, but unspectacular extension on the table. He then basically chose to double down and play out 2009. Things were going great for him to have some upper hand Negotiation power to raise the stakes, but he lost that with an unspectacular finish to an overall improved but not "great" season. So the stalemate is on. UM's side. Where are you going to make a guaranteed 900k - 1.3 mil. a year for the next 3 years? Coach Shannon's stance. Where are you going to find a "Solid" Head Man at that low ball salary that would basically have to turn over the program and start from the 3rd. rung on the ladder where we were 2 years ago? Not to mention the PR hit for dumping a proven tenure "coach" after 3 straight years of steady improvement at the helm? Personally, I think the numbers are there. 1.1 - 1.5 mil. over 2- 3 years guaranteed with the University having the "option" for a 3rd., 4th. or 5th. year unguaranteed( it's that 3rd. and 4th, year in which I believe is the real sticking point here). Not out of the ballpark numbers, but very respectable nontheless.

Randy's a stubborn, egotistical, proud man that knows the coaching profession. But it is stubborn, egotistical, proud men make the best leaders, managers and coaches in life. Same can be said about the powers that be that run High profile Universities. These elitists scholarly types are even more stubborn, egotistical, overly proud men with a major dose of extreme shrewdness to boot. They do not like not getting their way without feeling very good about it. So, with things being the way they are economically and without any State Funding whatsoever, I really think Randy will have to come down with his monetary/life of guaranteed years demands more so than Miami will have to raise theirs to meet the Head Ball Coaches. Ultimately, management typically wins these standoffs and Labor concedes. Certainly some hardware like an ACC ring would have helped Randy's behalf. But that point is moot as well as any talk of where the program is, and how close they may or may not be to winning the ACC and competing for playing in BCS Bowls even on semi-consistent basis.(cue Miss Janet Jackson). I just hope things don't get leaked out and this thing begins to get Ugly. If that were to happen, the losers would be the Kids and us as loyal fans.

Like stated above, there is NO WAY Coach Shannon can enter this Imperative Season even without a undisclosed 1 or 2 year deal that would give him a chance to double down again through 2011.


OK, so who's deal is it ?

We should know soon enough when the first party blinks.


shwarma

I am not saying what I am proposing is fair, I just think its a compromise that is not ridiculous as some might think

nemo2002

Due to the economic situation no one else at UM is getting a raise. All construction is halted, including campus housing and much needed new classrooms. So, why should Coach Shannon get a contract extension AND a FAT raise.

What has he really done to deserve it?

WHERE'S THE ACCOUNTABILITY?

canesteeler

Shwaram I understand what you are saying but the business side says get as much as you can because loyalty is not a two way street. WGT22 I like your comments.

canesteeler

Nemo that aggument rings in the halls of every campus. Why is the president of the university drawing a fatt azz salary when the math professor is fighting for tenure? It is the business of college athletics!

j.w.

I agree Paterno is totally different, 86, that was the only name I could think of at the time and I'm always trying to find an answer. :)

j.w.

Nemo- that's just the way the game is played in all sports. Rick Adelman was the last coach that I can think of who actually went through the last year on his contract without being fired or extneded, and that one didn't work out well for anyone.

Daytoncane

shwarma nearly every coach these days has a buyout clause. it would be unreasonable and unwise to not have one included in your contract.

404Canes404

Which is it that the University wants? If they want the clean image and graduation rates they got it! Improve every year at the same time? They got it by 2 wins per year! Either your happy with what you got or you need more but aren't willing to fork up the $$$.

Randy is the man, there is not a better option. He deserves 1 to 2 more years to let his plan play out, and in order to truely allow him that time you have to extend the man 3 years and no agent in his right mind would not get the $$$ in a buyout situation.

GET IT DONE ALREADY!!! C'MON MIAMI!!!!

86Cane

WGT22 I like your comments.

Posted by: canesteeler | March 15, 2010 at 06:58 PM

Me too!

Head Coaches get paid way more than University Presidents BTW. WAY MORE!

It's just the BIG business that is college athletics.

Texascane

There's no place for Randy to go. Maybe to the pros but I think he's been there and done that. He likes Miami and he would have to move...to do what? Be a 20 year pro assistant?

If he opts for college, who's going to take him? ECU, Iowa State, Kansas State, Mississippi State? No big time program is going to hire Randy after his three year record here. He's 21-17 overall and 11-13 in a weak conference.

The college game is all about money and the football program is not carrying its weight. Until there are some conference championship games and BCS bowls, Hocutt has the hammer, not Randy.

MDCane

Miami is jerking Shannon around. Any other school and they would hail him a good coach. Mississippi and Nebraska rewarded their coach with only one winning season...no questions asked, so why is Miami treating Shannon like a red headed step child.
Shannon personally raised more money for the football program than he makes in salary, maybe he should get his salary paid via donations.

Texascane

Pelini at Nebraska went 9-4 and tied for the North Division Championship coming off a 5-7 year with Callahan.

Randy went 5-7 after a 7-6 year with Coker...and they lost 6 of their last 7.

Daytoncane

Head Coaches get paid way more than University Presidents BTW. WAY MORE!

It's just the BIG business that is college athletics.

Posted by: 86Cane | March 15, 2010 at 07:27 PM

not only that, the athletic directors that have responsibility over every sport get paid way less than the coaches.

and most of the time it's only one coach at a particular school that's earning major bucks. some ADs earn only 1/3 of what their best coach earns.

oh my how backwards of a society we have.

Texascane

This is what it's all about (2009 average is skewed because the university gave away student tickets for Charleston). Until this changes...The U has a problem...

Average attendance for Miami (Fla.) home football games this decade:
2000 58,430
2001 46,162
2002 69,539
2003 58,135
2004 59,134
2005 45,310
2006 41,908
2007 43,589
2008 46,191*

404Canes404

Q: What has he done so far?

A: Build the foundation for the future. Turn the entire program around from no talent depth or attitude and a 7-6 year with multiple seasons of being out of top 25 to 9-4 after 3 years with plenty of depth and a Cane attitude poised to enter next year as a top 20 team.

SIGN THE MAN ALREADY MIAMI!

MDCane

TC, I'm willing to bet that Callahan left Pelini much better players than Coker left Shannon.

usagainsttheworld

question: has there ever been a coach of a MAJOR div 1 program, who has improved his team's winning percentage every year of their first contract-- and who by the way is graduating players and setting a tone that keeps them out of trouble that has no contract extension going into the last year of their contract?

on gp alone-- and to diffuse any questions that recruits might have about his future-- it seems to me that this should have been done a long time ago. even if the school doesn't want to overcommitt give him a 2-year contract with a slight raise.

something stinks here to high heaven or i must be missing something?

GURU

The big12 north is the weakest division in major college football

Texascane

Go back and look at the roster from 2006...I wouldn't be too sure of that.

(and I meant 2008 in the previous post

Sebastian(2001U G.O.A.T.)

Neb. also faced FAU, Ark. St. and Lou. Laf. so that 9-4 might be a little off base

There is no reason Onion isnt signed already. He has done more on and off the field then in reality could of been expected

Its an outrage that this situation hasnt been settled yet

Sebastian(2001U G.O.A.T.)

Neb. also faced FAU, Ark. St. and Lou. Laf. so that 9-4 might be a little off base

There is no reason Onion isnt signed already. He has done more on and off the field then in reality could of been expected

Its an outrage that this situation hasnt been settled yet.

MDCane

Let's face it; entertainment is big business to include college football. The major networks don’t sign billion dollar contracts with conferences, because they have good academic programs. We can make an argument all day about professors being laid off or students can't afford tuition rate hike. This should not preclude Miami from doing the right thing. Shannon has more than earned a pay raise, and it's time to reward him.

Nashvillecane

There is not one coach in Div 1 NCAA or NFL that will be coaching on the last year of their deal. Try and prove me wrong. Resign Randy now.

Posted by: Buddy | March 15, 2010 at 05:13 PM

U are correct sir!

Paterno?

Posted by: j.w. | March 15, 2010 at 05:45 PM

John Fox...carolina panthers

Daytoncane

maybe Hocutt isn't convinced that Miami will be "elite" under Shannon just yet.

no doubt we'll be good, but how does anyone know we'll be elite? elite and good are too different things.

my opinion is that if Hocutt/Shalala had supreme confidence that Shannon could make us "Miami" again, the buyout clause wouldn't be an issue.

if you had a guy who you were convinced would lead you to "elite" status and wouldn't leave the program, wouldn't you give in to his demands? Shannon has done a good job so far of improving the team on the field and off the field.

you think TCU would let Gary Patterson get away? How about Mike Krzyzewski at Duke?

when you got a great coach, money isn't the issue.

Sebastian(2001U G.O.A.T.)

What makes them experts to think we wont become elite?

He has taken every step in the right direction to get us there

Who knows more about the football programs direction then the man himself?

When did Kirby and Donna join the physic network

Kirby you know youre reading Canespace tonight. Get Randy and his agent on the phone right now and get this done!!!!

404Canes404

Make a big % of the contract performance based, $250k bonus for ACC Champ and another $500k for National Champ!!!!

PAY THE MAN!

Daytoncane

i never said they were experts at anything. all i said was if they were fully convinced, the extension wouldn't be a problem.

EVERY school is willing to provide the funds to keep a coveted coach, if he/she truly wants to stay.

they already know Shannon doesn't desire to be anywhere else, yet an extension has failed to be reached. something's up.

and it's the buyout clause that's supposedly the issue. why would they be stuck on that if they were convinced he was the right coach?

86Cane

Total Votes: 111

48% for the 3 year deal.

86Cane

Until there are some conference championship games and BCS bowls, Hocutt has the hammer, not Randy.

Posted by: Texascane | March 15, 2010 at 07:32 PM

There it is right there.

86Cane

oh my how backwards of a society we have.

Posted by: Daytoncane | March 15, 2010 at 07:48 PM

Tru dat!

Sebastian(2001U G.O.A.T.)

: Daytoncane | March 15, 2010 at 08:53 PM

Who ya got in the final four?

Any high seeds doing any kind of damage?

solarcane

11 Virginia Tech 9-3
12 LSU 9-3
15 Miami (FL) 9-3
16 West Virginia 9-3
17 Pittsburgh 9-3
19 Oklahoma State 9-3
23 Utah 9-3
25 Wisconsin 9-3

Teams that had the same regular season record as Randy

solarcane

Take the list above,
Find a list of 3ed year head coaches
list their salaries
Then I think you get an idea of Randy's
+ - baragining power.

I'm with Texas and Dayton
You don't demand a lot of bucks until you win something.
That's not fair considering how well Randy has turned the school's image around, but it takes a championship to have any clout.

Sebastian(2001U G.O.A.T.)

N. Kakalaka sure didnt have a problem throwing cheddar at Butch after coming out of the box 4-8 and was given a 1 year extention added to his contract

solarcane


sebas,
I think if Miami had as loyal fans as the Tar Heels, filling every seat in the basketball and football stadiums every game we would have more to throw.

Daytoncane

Who ya got in the final four?

Any high seeds doing any kind of damage?

Posted by: Sebastian(2001U G.O.A.T.) | March 15, 2010 at 09:30 PM

Kansas, Syracuse, Louisville, West Virginia

i got Cornell and Baylor going far. for some reason i think those two teams can do some damage.

Louisville started to come on strong late in the season. provided they can get past Cal, i think they'll have a chance to surprise some teams.

Bog Huggins' teams usually don't do well in the tourney, but they look really good this year. they got too much size in that lineup to lose early.

86Cane

136 votes

49% for the 3 year deal.

usagainstheworld

this stinks.

Drtycane

i guess the seantrel sweepstakes has come to an end according to shandel's blog...f-him. the strippers kiffen got for him and pops was the determining factor...i would love to play those westcoast clowns in a bowl game...but they're pu$$y like the gaytors...2013 is hunting season for brantley ....(if he does not make america's most wanted)
orange on one side, green on the other []_[].

usagainstheworld

N. Kakalaka sure didnt have a problem throwing cheddar at Butch after coming out of the box 4-8 and was given a 1 year extention added to his contract

Posted by: Sebastian(2001U G.O.A.T.) | March 15, 2010 at 09:43 PM

hmmm. . .

Drtycane

Can someone tell me on how to change my picture...i feel groovy with the green sunflower thingee goin on..

solarcane

drty,
click the typepad logo at post a comment, log in, go to your profile, pick a photo off your computer and whamo!

solarcane

drty
register here

https://www.typepad.com/secure/services/signin?to=%2Fdashboard

and do what i said above

Sebastian(2001U G.O.A.T.)

Posted by: Daytoncane | March 15, 2010 at 10:03 PM

Im going to go with

Kansas
Kansas State
Villanova
Temple

With Murray State making alot of noise knocking off the `Cuse and Temple taking out the Cats

Sebastian(2001U G.O.A.T.)

They even threw a ton of coin at Rick Neuheisel and he hasnt won poo-poo

He has had every program he has been to slammed with probation though

He gets 1.25 mil. with bonuses that could add another 500,000 into that

Making Randy worth what then????

Drtycane

boom

raizecane

Nebraska also has the Oracle of Omaha contributing. Must be nice to have the 3rd richest man in the world support your football program.

Drtycane

since miami was knocked out of the tourney and nit bid...who wants to start a pool on he next gator/criminole arrest?

Drtycane

gaytor - lynden trail or matt elam

criminole - chief osceola

86Cane

154 votes

Still 49% for the 3 year deal.

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