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April 14, 2010

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87" canes

1st.....

GURU

DANG

Playa..The Blogger Formerly Known as Rashad

Darn, just missed being first..lol..Great pics 86!! Looks like a nice ballpark to catch a game.

SOUP

Playa...it was a rockin' good time. Just like UCF, but bigger and better with beer!

SOUP

87...U got your Canespace gear yet?

Email me at: canespace86@aol.com.

SOUP

CSM...check email.

SOUP

Ahhhhh shyte, I hear coach, gotta go:

"Nothing good happens after midnight."

Playa..The Blogger Formerly Known as Rashad

Wish I could have made it 86!!

Playa..The Blogger Formerly Known as Rashad

From the Herald. Not sure if this was posted. If so, sorry.

The University of Miami is working on strengthening its nonconference men's basketball schedule.

Speaking before the team's awards banquet Wednesday, coach Frank Haith said UM expects to play host to West Virginia in early December and is in talks to play at Syracuse next season to begin a home-and-home series. UM also is talking about playing Georgia, South Carolina and/or Auburn next season.

UM, which will meet UCF in December's Orange Bowl Classic, will play host to Stetson in an early-season tournament before going to Las Vegas to play three more games in that tournament.

• Erik Swoope, a 6-5 forward from Harvard-Westlake High (North Hollywood, Calif.), signed with UM, though UM can't announce it yet. He averaged 21.8 points and 8.9 rebounds this past season.

UM -- which has signed three players -- has two scholarships left, but Haith said he isn't certain if both will be used. UM is recruiting New York-based 6-9 forward Kadeem Jack, who visited campus last weekend.

• UM named James Dews and Dwayne Collins as co-most valuable players for the 2009-10 season. Among other winners: Reggie Johnson (most improved player); Durand Scott (outstanding defender) and Adrian Thomas (ultimate teammate award).

Gold

Larry Black's cousin was pretty good ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Tinker


from the Cav Grove to the Cougar Heights ...

PhillyCane

How about those Fly Guys!!!

SOUP

Gold...welcome to The Space. Post here, post often!

DZ8

Pictures do look nice. Looks like a good time was had by all.

DZ8

SOUP

I'll probably get you my mock draft on Sunday. It should run Thursday as the 1st round is Thursday night. I know you have the Six/Solar compilation but they can be bumped, they told me they don't mind:)

Esteban
U still doing a mock draft?

Cat 5 Cane

A long article but on a slow day... what else ya gonna do?... Enjoy the read!

Randy Shannon's Contract: The 800 lbs. Ibis in the Room

Bleacher report... by Marcus S, Today.

Randy's contract!!!

There is an 800 pound Ibis in the room no matter what subject comes up regarding Miami Hurricanes Football.

That would be the contract extension of head coach Randy Shannon, who right now is the 11th highest paid coach in the ACC. Not to mention that he is not really the 11th highest paid he is tied with the guy in 12th place, Frank Spaziani of Boston College.

In one of my other articles I talked about how “cheap” Miami can be when it comes to paying their coaches, and the fact that Coker was making near $3 million a year when he left shows they are willing to pull out the cash when needed. I can understand starting Randy off at the lower end of the scale—he is a first time head coach—but a decision needs to be made.

Any time coaches sign a new contract goals are set forth, and either he has met the goals you want or not. At that point you need to make a decision and either fire the man, or give him an extension based off of his current body of work. I know that Kirby Hocutt was not the person that hired Shannon, but he has had time to lay out what his vision is for where the football program should be and go from this point.

The cruxes of the matter currently are a discussion over the new base salary per year, and buy out amount if he gets fired before the end of the contract. It seems that the administration is offering Shannon about $1.4 million in base salary and Shannon wants about $2 million a year which is a little bit over the ACC average of $1.75 million per year. Here is the table of coach’s pay in the ACC:

1. Paul Johnson, Georgia Tech. – $2.3 million ($3.33 million possible with bonuses)

2. Jim Grobe, Wake Forest – $2.17 million ($2.5 million)

3. Butch Davis, North Carolina – $2.15 million ($2.26 million)

4. Ralph Friedgen, Maryland – $2.03 million ($2.56 million)

5. Frank Beamer, Virginia Tech – $2 million ($2.42 million)

6. Jimbo Fisher, Florida State – $1.8 million ($2.6 million)

7. Dabo Swinney, Clemson – $1.75 million ($2.63 million)

8. Mike London, Virginia – $1.7 million ($2.27 million)

9. Tom O’Brien, North Carolina State – $1.52 million ($2.63 million)

10. David Cutliffe, Duke – $1.5 milliion ($1.5 million)

11. Randy Shannon – $900,000 ($900,000)*

12. Frank Spaziani – $900,000 ($900,000)

(Data provided by http://www.sun-sentinel.com)

What the administration at the University of Miami are saying to the fans publicly is Randy Shannon is our guy, and he is going to be our coach for a long time! Well the administration’s actions are saying we want to pay this guy the least amount we can, but put gigantic expectations on him to win and make sure the buyout is small enough so we can easily get rid of him.

The $1.4 million is a slap in the face; they are saying that Randy has not done enough to be paid the median salary in the ACC? I have heard all these Shannon detractors talk about top flight coaches getting it done; well they get paid the salary and are given the resources to get it done.

In Shannon’s case he has not even cracked $1 million per year yet, but Mike London, who has not coached a game for UVA, is almost at $2 million per. The new contract they are offering is still less than Jimbo Fisher, Mike London, Dabo Swinney, Tom O’Brien, and David Cutliffe all coaches that have been hired after Shannon.

That is why it will be difficult for Miami to land a big time coach that all the naysayers are clamoring for; they do not want to pay for it. They pinch pennies where they can, and even though the football program has brought so much into the school they continue to choke it off whenever they get the opportunity.

This is hurting the team on the recruiting trail, and if you notice this year’s recruiting class was the lowest ranked in the Shannon era. Much of that had to do with the fact that every living room Shannon went into he had to field the questions, are you going to be there when my son graduates? How do you answer that question confidently without looking like a liar if things change later, uncertainty breeds mediocrity.

I won’t play the racial angle here, but it would be easy for someone to make that case. The bottom line is the administration at Miami needs to pay Randy Shannon or give him his walking papers, this waffling in the middle looks like the program has no direction and that is as good as blood in the water to the competition.

I will leave you with this tidbit, when Miami played South Florida this past season Jim Leavitt was being paid about $1.3 million per year. While Randy Shannon at a “better” program, in a tougher conference, and a better record than Leavitt’s team was making a paltry $900,000. Miami beat USF soundly 31–10, and not only that Shannon has out recruited Leavitt every year as well, but still makes less money?

Lastly, if you are going to comment talking about how bad the economy is, and he should be happy to get $1.4 million you just have no understanding of a free market economy. This is not an economics article, so I won’t get into it here. If Saban and Meyer can get over $4 million why can’t Shannon get his $2 million?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

My feelings exactly and make it for 5 years to lock him in!

404Canes

^^^ This is getting old. We are being laughed at by the rest of college football. Randy is entering a contact period with recruits and this should of been wrapped up yesterday. Pay the man Miami!

Cat 5 Cane

Hey Kirby...
Five years from now, with a couple of more NC's in your pockets, the board will be saying... Damn, that contract was a bargin!

Pay The Man his Money!

cat5

Lurker

I'm with the apparent consensus on this one.

KIRBY: QUIT SCREWING AROUND - PAY THE MAN HIS FREAKING MONEY - HE'S EARNED IT AND WILL CONTINUE TO EARN IT WITH #6 (right around the corner).

PAY.

HIM.

NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

canezilla

As i got my canesfest flyer yesterday in the mail,i turned it over and saw the postage price.It was 88 cents,i got to thinking 88 cents times what 30 maybe 40,000(season ticket holders)thats 35,000 dollars just in stamps.Trust me the flyer isnt going to make anyone go to canesfest.Everybody who is going was already going before they got the flyer.Just a waste of money in my mind,could of gone to randy.next time e-mail?

404Canes

He is a dead coach walking. Regardless of how you feel about Randy being our coach for years to come or not, he is our current coach. And if you pay attention to college football no school let's their coach go into this final contract year without some type of extension. He is out on the recruiting trail right now and is essentially a dead coach walking.

So, if you care about the program - then you should care that the school is letting this thing hang out there, and the whole time publicly saying they support him for years to come. B.S.! If you support the man you would not be handcuffing him!!!

Lurker

PAY.

HIM.

NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

francis w

86Canes
Got the disk in the mail this morning
Thanks
BTW I was only $.05 off on the mail cost :-)
Fran

novaCANEPHINatic

Randy has already said that he expects his contract to be signed in May since there is not much going on then and the two sides will have more time to discuss it. It was on a WQAMinterview a couple years back. I also want to see it get done but also willing to wait a little longer for it.

novaCANEPHINatic

Weeks not years^^^^

francis w

AN alphabetical list of those in the UM hall of fame for those who might want to do a little reminising. I believe Adobe Reader Rabbit is required.
Amazing how many I either met or at least watched play their sport.
http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/mifl/sports/m-basebl/auto_pdf/mifl-basebl-101.pdf

CGNC

I'm sure CGNC is squeezing her Crosby/Malkin dolls tight

Posted by: Six | April 14, 2010 at 09:02 PM

LOL! Don't have those.

CGNC

Canesteeler - I have a friend that says Fleury plays like his mask is made of hemp. Last night looked like it - LOL. I missed the crazy play where he was out of position and they scored basically an empty-netter. So glad I missed that. Gotta give credit to Ottawa, they played hard. Even with a lackluster Pens effort it took a fluke goal to beat the Pens. We will know more about this team on Friday - I think they come out hungry.

CGNC

OGV - didn't know you're a hockey guy! Phillycane here is a Flyers fan - have at him - lol!!!

Philly - congrats on your win - I'm sure it was a "hard fought" win as most games are against the Flyers. LOL this video is kinda before my time but its funny!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JptI60UfDrs

CGNC

BTW nice pics of that stadium it looks like it was really nice

Cat 5 Cane

Randy has been playing it down for months because he doesn't want to embarrass the board, but every day that goes by since December, is a reflection on Randy and why haven't they signed him already?

Lets be honest, this deal should have been completed before the bowl game and certainly before LOI day! The lapse has cost the team several quality recruits, where we needed them most. Not taking anything away from the guys who have signed on, but a few more big time players would have been nice to see.

It comes back to the board and are they ready to accept Randy as the Golden Child! Something tells me that will never happen but times are a changing!...

Slowly, one step at a time!

CGNC

Cat5 to me this is a sad reflection on the administration. Shame!!!

DrewZ2

In the rankings of ACC coaches salaries i think Randy should fall between 8 and 6 in salaries


SOUP I got an article idea where would i need to send it?

canezilla

that wisconsin lost is looking worse every day

Cat 5 Cane

Drew... Not wanting to insult you but if you think that's what Randy is worth, then I guess you are looking at the 2008 record of 7/5 because that would be 7th on the list... At 9/4 or 10/2 he is batting VT or GT percentages and should be paid accordingly. Keep in mind, that doesn't account for what's coming off the Bermuda Triangle, yet to be seen!

2 million is allot of money, but in 2 years, 2 million will be considered a cheap buy for what Randy will be worth with a 5 year contract.

If thinking of writing an article... give this thought a consideration.

Cat 5 Cane

CGNC... I'm trying my best not to play the race card... but damn, if it doesn't keep flashing in my mind!

There are allot of conservative blue bloods sitting on the board and this is the first time a black person has been in power... Like soooo many other schools national.

It makes you wonder why?

Cheap or prejudice or maybe both?

j.w.

Contract details are hard to find right now, but what if Kirby's offer is 1.5-1.8 million, with a favorable buy-out for UM and Randy just doesn't want to accept it? Would you all still blame UM or Hocutt for not getting a deal done? Personally, I think that's pretty fair based on what Randy's teams have accomploshed, although I would also like to see something built into the contract that gives him raises for winning titles.

j.w.

And I think the negotiations are all being done by Hocutt, not the board.

Cat 5 Cane

Yeah, I said it!

Watch the school and Kirby's office, to see if windows don't start breaking out from thrown computers!!!

Paid for, by "The Randy, We Trust" coalition.

Fighting Ibis

People don't want to play the race card? I'll say it then, Randy doesn't have his extension yet or an offer close to the dollar amount because he's black. Randy beat the two highest paid coaches in the ACC. The highest paid coach in the ACC Paul Johnson got his ass handed to him.

What's Kirby's email address? Never mind I'll get it. This cracker needs a fighting ibis email. Let him know times are changing and that crap may have worked in Oklahoma or Kansas or wherever the hell in BFE he's from but that stinking crap won't fly down at the U. 5-7, 7-5, 9-3 says pay Randy his gotdamn money!

raizecane

I concur......we need to get RS signed as quickly as possible. I am sure he is not asking for Mack Brown money nor does he deserve it......yet. But enough is enough...

Cat 5 Cane

JW... I'm not in the room, but... they offered 1.4 mill from what I've read and Kirby is the middle man, which is representing the board on their behalf... Any counter offer agreement by Randy is brought back to the board for discussion... The bottom line, it is in his best interest to get Randy for the lowest price, all while getting him to smile, while accepting it.

Think buying a car from a salesman.

Cali... Does that about cover it?

j.w.

Good analogy, Cat5. And I agree 1.4 is a little low.
If I were king of UM, I'd negotiate for 1.75 million for three years, with a 1.75 buyout, and raises of $250k for the Coastal, another 250 for the ACC, plus 500k for a national title.

Cat 5 Cane

That's not bad except 3 years doesn't show confidence by the board or gives recruits confidence that Randy will be here for the long run. The bonuses are too high, compared to others around 400,000K. The buy-outs are another story and is much more involved and not just one sided... Randy may get fed up with the bloods and want to leave... who knows, as time goes by, but the lesson learned at Tenn will be remembered for a long time to come when Kiffin left with that big time contract he used as toilet paper or when Miami got rid of Coker with 3 years remaining at 3 million a year with that buy-out they were holding. later they negotiated the buy-out amount to a lesser amount, but it still cost them dearly

Cat 5 Cane

Not bad for a sometimer... I think I'll quit while I'm ahead.

To all you sometimers out there... Think Waterboy... You can do it!!!... LOL

Jump in the water is fine!

Later!

Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer

Y'all talking about skin-color with this situation are ridiculous. The U has been cheap for a loooong time. But the MAIN reason his contract hasn't been signed is because of the ghosts of Perry Clark and Larry Coker. If Shannon had won the ACC, even if they'd lost the bowl game, it'd be a totally different story. But they didn't, so it leaves th door open for skepticism, which is all it takes to stall a contract.

Add to that an agent who wants to max out, and there you have it.

In case y'all didn't notice, the U isn't rolling in dough, esp. not after the recession hit and their portfolio got smashed.

And Ibis, calling Kirby a "cracker" is just ridiculous, makes you look like a dam buffoon.

CaneSawMassacre

SOUP - Check U've got mail...


There might be some good things coming with Canespace and CSM...!

Also Six do you listen to The Babe on 1040? Can I get your impressions???

Gin & Tonic

Randy's contract should be incentive driven:

Base pay : $1.4

Reach ACC Title Game : $100,000 Bonus

Win ACC Title : $250,000 Bonus

Use Timeout Correctly: $25,000 each occurrence

CaneSawMassacre

Drew what you thinking? You could send it to me madplaya5@aol.com or shoot it straight to the bossman Canespace86@aol.com


Coolio??

Fighting Ibis

And Ibis, calling Kirby a "cracker" is just ridiculous, makes you look like a dam buffoon.

Y'all talking about skin-color with this situation are ridiculous. The U has been cheap for a loooong time.

Coming from a brainwashed fool such as yourself I'll take that as a compliment.
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Y'all talking about skin-color with this situation are ridiculous. The U has been cheap for a loooong time.

That's funny! The last coach who ran the program into the toilet was getting paid well over $2 million a year. Now they won't give Randy $2 million even though he's shown consistent improvement? LOL!

Yeah ok brainwashed one!

CaneSawMassacre

I'd say he should sign a contract at 1.5 million a year for 5 years with a yearly increase of 2.5% (Right around the national sclae) but large incentives as somebody posted.

ACC championship 200K
BSC bowl game 200K
BSC Bowl game win 100K
National Championship game 500K
Win in National Championship Game 150K

Exactly like that. For a Great year Randy could easily make over 2Million. . .

Very fair considering Miami's monetary situation as well.
Obviously increase or decrease incentives based on comparisons to other coaches.. It might be a bit low.. So!

CaneSawMassacre

Can the Heat put the Celtics in their place???


Or does Rondo create a nightmare for the Heat?

CaneSawMassacre

Ibis - I agree with you on somethings, but I think you are WAY OFF here..


If Randy thinks he is on the cusp of something big then why not shorten the contract to 2 years take the 1.4 million and load it up with incentives???

I understand his thinking, but he must also understand the University can not afford another major buyout.. It just can't.

Also a starting salary does not compare again, London has been a head coach before. Have any of the coaches in the ACC whom we are all comparing to Randy what was there percentage increase from there previous paycheck??? That is what is important to understand and evaluate. Randy was the lowest paid coach in the ACC. To think he will just get 2million of the bat is absurd that is a 200% increase, that doesn't happen unless your winning SHIPS>>

I think they need to be somewhere in between but this is not a black and white issue. NO WAY!! NO HOW!!!

Cat 5 Cane

"Y'all talking about skin-color with this situation are ridiculous. The U has been cheap for a loooong time. But the MAIN reason his contract hasn't been signed is because of the ghosts of Perry Clark and Larry Coker." by Cav

All that is true or maybe not... maybe there is some resentment and that's part of the reason why they have been stalling? maybe not all, but part maybe by some... IMO, 4 months to get this done is ridiculous. Yes the economy sucks but the U is not broke and the money he has brought in, is more then worth his raise, along with the other coaches too... Especially Whipple's.

PhillyCane

CGNC.. funny video.. Hextall woulda whooped that a$$ if he woulda caught him.

Ne ways Fly Guys 1-0.. Ottawa 1-0

Esteban

if Randy Shannon was white his parents would have wondered how that happened.

Canez1

Este LMAO!!!

Am I the only one that could give a FUKKK about this contract????

RS needs to show the U the money and not the other way around as far as I am concerned.

Win your conference my man and then we will talk.

GO CANEZ!!!!!

CaneSawMassacre

You want to talk about a double standard...

Rooney just stood there and talked about how they know Ben messed up but he is ready to prove he can not make mistakes again (Clearly a poor decision of aggressively interacting at the least in a poor place with a woman or at the worst sexually assaulting and possibly raping a very inebriated woman) Make no mistake he did some pretty bad damage either way. If this sex was consensual or not, he put some serious backbone and force behind it to make her be in the much pain, and for their to be damage (a.k.a. blood). And the terrible choice of having sex with this inebriated woman (whom friends knew was inebriated) in a friggin' bar bathroom.. I mean Ben you make millions.. You can't afford a hotel?? Seriously.

Then the fact that he has been accused of this before.

Then Rooney goes to say that the trade of Santanio despite his dynamic ability was because he had become a menace with all of his issues...

WTF.. Are you serious. You have a press conference about Ben then try and throw shots at Santanio.. Seems like a big double standard.


McShay is obviously making Kiper sound stupid, Clausen is a 2nd round pick.. No first rounder. When asked about his INT in the bowl game, where he threw a bad pass he blamed the WR for running the wrong route..I think he kind of reminds me of another QB who does.. Me thinks hhmmmm Jay Cutler.

The guy got knocked out in a bar by some college kids with his OLINE there and there was no protection of him, they didn't go kick those kids a$$.

You go maul Jacory in a bar with OFranklin, BWashinton,J.Wheeler,and them guys.. I bet it gets real NASTY in that bar.

Fighting Ibis

Ibis - I agree with you on somethings, but I think you are WAY OFF here..


If Randy thinks he is on the cusp of something big then why not shorten the contract to 2 years take the 1.4 million and load it up with incentives???

Posted by: CaneSawMassacre | April 15, 2010 at 02:23 PM

$1.4 million a year? Why not just spit in this mans face and call him what's on their minds?

So Randy is supposed to not get paid what he's worth because the same knuckleheads who gave Coker a contract without thinking remember how dumb they were? I think they should just cut their noses off to spite their faces.

Pay Randy his gotdamn money! Until these fools do that I say they're f%$king retarded!

Last year Randy beat Stoops who's getting the quan.

Randy beat Bobby or Jimbo or whoever you want to say iis running the show at FSU last year in their house. Both Jimbo and Bobby are making the quan.

Paul Johnson got his shit pushed in by way of Randy and he's getting the quan.

Grobe got beat by way of Randy he's making the quan.

SHOW RANDY THE MONEY!

Shit or get off the pot!

Yeah Randy should just take far less than all the other coaches just because. That makes total sense.

I hate the race card but let's call a spade a spade. A white coach wouldn't be in this situation. Just look at how fast they threw the big bucks at country club coker.

Randy came in and ruled with an iron fist. All he caught was grief for it. He took the names off the jerseys and all he caught was grief for it. Everything the man has done has been picked through with fine tooth comb.

Now the team is clearly showing improvement and he's been doing a stellar job and no money? What white coach would get treated this way?

The board is helping Randy by being a bunch of schmucks. They let this contract controversy fester and then complain when they don't think he pulls in a good enough recruiting class?

That's sabotage!

Esteban

i'd take Clausen in the 1st round if I was team that needed a QB and i wasn't picking inside the top 15 or so.

404Canes

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Purdue coach Danny Hope has received a one-year contract extension that runs through the 2014 season, athletic director Morgan Burke announced Wednesday.

Hope signed a six-year deal with Purdue in January 2008. He spent one year as associate head coach before succeeding Joe Tiller last season.

Purdue went 5-7 in Hope's first year at the helm.

"Beginning with the day he returned to Purdue, Danny has followed a master plan for our football program that focuses on our core values of success on the field, in the classroom and in the community," Burke said in a statement. "The results in his first year as head coach were encouraging, and we are confident that great days are ahead."

Hope, 51, will earn $900,000 in guaranteed money for the 2010 season and has the chance to make an additional $500,000 in bonuses related to academic performance, athletic performance and game attendance.

"I feel good about the foundation that has been laid since I came back to Purdue in 2008, but we have a lot of work to do to get where we want to be as a football program," Hope said in a statement.

Hope is 40-29 in six seasons as a head coach, having spent the first five at Eastern Kentucky, his alma mater.

404Canes

@BFeldmanESPN Today's the first day colleges can call juniors. Lane Kiffin's USC staff was up at 3 AM PT to try and be the first ones to make contact. about a minute ago

404Canes

^^^ And know that when Kiffin calls a recruit that is a Miami lean, he will bring up Randy's contract as point #1 against us.

That is why this matters. Like him or not, Randy is being penalized and therefore Miami's future is being impacted. The same people saying it's not a big deal that Randy does not have a contract, will be the same people bitc*ing about the 2011 class and not landing the 4-5 stars that USC is getting...

Esteban

i'd be pissed if Kiffin called my son at 3 AM. its a school night a$$hole.

CaneSawMassacre

Ibis.. Lets not overstate. The Okalahoma game was huge but again.. Starting QB was out ( How would we play without Jacory) a few other starts...

And Stoops, has been in championship games and won conference titles.

None of which Shannon has done.

Some could say wow, what an amazing progression (You and I are on the same team there) others would say, WOW..! We have had more talent than our recors display. Some of the games and the way they ended would make you feel that way if you did not completely understand football.

Well the point is, we have some key juniors and seniors on the team right NOW>> Shannon's players. If this year and next are not the ACTUAL test of how good of a coach Randy is.. Then what is?? You know..

I mean again, nobody is bringing up percent increase. Only his pecking order in the ACC. Somet things play into to that. AGAIN - NOT ALL BLACK AND WHTIE.

He was the lowest paid coach in the ACC, one with some of the least heading coaching experience. YET, despite your insinuation that the UM admin is hating and spitting in his face, you say that Larry, Perry and company should not play affect in his money. . . BUt you know the business world doesn't work that way...

My question is this, if this is Randy's dream job, if he has stated that this team and the subsequent team should be ready to make a championship run.. Then why wouldn't he take a contract that was more incentive laden and do just a little sacrificing for the University that HAS GIVEN HIM (THIS BLACK MAN) SO MANY OPPORTUNITIES.. FROM A SCHOLARSHIP FOR FOOTBALL AND A U.M. DEGREE, AS WELL AS PPP

DZ8

Use Timeout Correctly: $25,000 each occurrence

Posted by: Gin & Tonic | April 15, 2010 at 02:15 PM

LMAO

DZ8

I'm no Coker fan but he did win a national championship game.

In hindsight it was a mistake and we are still paying for it as evidence by their reluctance to over extend with Shannon.

Canez1 this does matter for all the recruiting reasons brought up earlier. But NSD is a long ways away so it's not like its life and death. It needs to get done yesterday however. IMO

CGNC

Philly - LOL don't gloat too soon. Ottawa played out of their minds and did not get 50% from the Pens and they won by ONE goal. Friday will be more telling. Fleury has got to stop TRYING (sarcastic emphasis) to be like Brodeur and stay between the pipes.

More Ron Hextall (against the Bruins)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2usaqHyyd48&feature=related

Canez1

I used to love Ronnie Hextall!!

That team was badazz back in the day!!

Miss the good ol days of hockey!!

Today pffft...

GO FLYERZ!!!!

GO CANEZ!!!!!

Fighting Ibis

Ibis.. Lets not overstate. The Okalahoma game was huge but again.. Starting QB was out ( How would we play without Jacory) a few other starts...

And Stoops, has been in championship games and won conference titles.

None of which Shannon has done.

Some could say wow, what an amazing progression (You and I are on the same team there) others would say, WOW..! We have had more talent than our recors display. Some of the games and the way they ended would make you feel that way if you did not completely understand football.

Well the point is, we have some key juniors and seniors on the team right NOW>> Shannon's players. If this year and next are not the ACTUAL test of how good of a coach Randy is.. Then what is?? You know..

I mean again, nobody is bringing up percent increase. Only his pecking order in the ACC. Somet things play into to that. AGAIN - NOT ALL BLACK AND WHTIE.

He was the lowest paid coach in the ACC, one with some of the least heading coaching experience. YET, despite your insinuation that the UM admin is hating and spitting in his face, you say that Larry, Perry and company should not play affect in his money. . . BUt you know the business world doesn't work that way...

My question is this, if this is Randy's dream job, if he has stated that this team and the subsequent team should be ready to make a championship run.. Then why wouldn't he take a contract that was more incentive laden and do just a little sacrificing for the University that HAS GIVEN HIM (THIS BLACK MAN) SO MANY OPPORTUNITIES.. FROM A SCHOLARSHIP FOR FOOTBALL AND A U.M. DEGREE, AS WELL AS PPP

Posted by: CaneSawMassacre | April 15, 2010 at 03:21 PM

What horseshit! Are you serious? So now when Stoops is faced with some injuries all of the sudden that's an excuse for him?

How about all the injuries Randy dealt with last year? How about if Jacory didn't get injured? Who's to say we don't win a couple more games? How about all the injuries to the D-line, LB's our FB?

So Randy is just supposed to accept a BS contract because he's a Cane through and through? He deserves a contract extension that's fair. Let's face it, $1.4 million a year is BS!

The fact is they aren't giving Randy anything. He's earning it through hard work with little help from the board.

Pay Randy his gotdamn money so he can walk into a recruits home with his head held high. It's more to do with the Jimmy's and Joe's than X's and O's. Don't bitch about recruiting when our coach is getting hung out to dry.

Try this crap with a white coach and he walks.

orange 'n green in the vein

OU had a serviceable backup with game experience as a starter to call on. First and foremost, so no crying for overrated "Big Game."

If the sticking point is the buyout, give the man his average salary of his ACC coaching peers and then split the difference twice in UM's favor on the difference in the buyout numbers and call it a deal for three, if not four, more years. As much as I support Shannon, and I won't be wavering for at least two more years win or lose big, he still hasn't put together the kind of season that will squelch the critics out there of him, but it's right around the corner since he finally has a football TEAM to coach instead of some players and some guys who shouldn't be on D1 scholarships like he's had for all his time at UM so far.

orange 'n green in the vein

CGNC, yesterday was a tough day for the favorites to open the playoffs all around. I'm dreading the replay of Boucher making the no-look-save with his glove hand behind his head from the 2000 East Finals Game 2 (or was it 3? No, it was halfway through period 2 of Game 2, I'm sure) that I just know is lurking in the highlight reel to be shown. That save and Boucher are like Flutie and the Hail Mary in college football, inexorably linked forever when these two teams meet, but even more so when those hated Flyers are getting the better of the series. How the Penguins ever gave up 5 goals in a single playoff game is a mystery to me as Fluery is the only guy who can give Broduer a run for his 600+ wins IMO. Of course, Broduer has played for a contender his entire career and Fluery was the first rebuilding block for a stricken franchise when he was picked first overall so those first couple of seasons are a big millstone on his career numbers. However, he's the only other guy in tournament (Osgood does NOT count for me) who I actually have faith in being able to raise his level of play to win it all this year so you can see why I say the East will retain possession of the Cup, and preferably from the Atlantic division.

Doc Ibis

I hate hearing people talk about who was hurt from the other team... We ran up and down the field on their defense... That kid Landry broke the school record for TD passes the week before and Oklahoma was "rolling" when they made their way into Miami...

I really think people that think of all the others team's weaknesses as reasons why Miami won aren't really fans... When people beat us, do they make excuses for us? H*ll f*ck no, so why are we talking about who was hurt for f*cking Oklahoma... Do we talk about who was hurt for us against Clemson, Wisconsin, and UNC?? H*ll no, we absolutely do not so I refuse to give another team benefit of the doubt...

And I'm with Cat5 on this... We don't need to talk about percentage increases and all that s*it... Mike London coached at an FCS school and should in now way, shape, or form be gettin paid more than Shannon...

I can't believe this s*it is even up for discussion really... I guess any black man should be happy to make over a million dollars a year when their are several qualified white men in the labor force with no jobs huh?

Get real... Give him his f*cking money... Butch Davis has not accomplished any more than Randy, so what UNC beat us, that is by no means a standard to pay a f*cking coach when there are 12 other games on the schedule... Either you all are fake a*s fans or closet bigots... Be real with yourselves!!

SOUP

Got the disk in the mail this morning
Thanks

Posted by: francis w | April 15, 2010 at 10:56 AM

Roger that! There should be several out there arriving today and also many t-shirts should have arrived this week. Please post here if you got a DVD or a T-shirt.

I have more DVDs of the Spring Game. If you want one email me at:

canespace86@aol.com

SOUP

BTW nice pics of that stadium it looks like it was really nice

Posted by: CGNC | April 15, 2010 at 11:29 AM

Thank U Berry, (Damien) Berry much!

Ungar

I look at it this way -- We would NORMALLY have to pay a coach doing the job that Randy is doing 1.75 million or more.

The school is banking on two things in their favor:
1. Home team discount, meaning they are taking advantage of his loyalty.
2. Color discount, meaning they are taking advantage of the lack of other folks that would hire a black coach.

Are they pulling the race card? Not necessarily, but they are being pragmatic (or cynical if you want to be negative about it) about the FACT that they face less competition over his services than they would if he were white, and about the FACT that they face less competition over his services than they would if he were not 100% Cane.

SOUP

he still hasn't put together the kind of season that will squelch the critics out there of him, but it's right around the corner since he finally has a football TEAM to coach instead of some players and some guys who shouldn't be on D1 scholarships like he's had for all his time at UM so far.

Posted by: orange 'n green in the vein | April 15, 2010 at 04:05 PM

There it is right there.

CGNC

Posted by: Canez1 | April 15, 2010 at 03:57 PM

Hextall was gangsta before gangsta was - TOEPICK!

I don't hate the Flyers but I don't love 'em either. It is still entertaining to see them play other teams - just not your own - LOL. My Pens need to pcik it up and get busy!

SOUP

Randy deserves to be in the top 5 coaches salaries in the ACC and at over $2 Million.

3 years minimum with added incentives for winning their division of the ACC, the ACC title and a BCS bowl game.

With that being said, when would announcing a deal (timing) have the MOST positive impact?

Think, think, think...

Ungar

DocIbis, I am neither fake nor bigoted in this, but saying that Butch Davis has not done more than Randy Shannon is just wrong.

1. The did a COMPLETE rebuild of a team out of probation, with a couple of Pac 10 ref calls away from playing for a national title. His recruiting gave us the 2001 team. And his record with the team was 51-20.
2. Was a head coach in the NFL, taking a 3-13 team to 9-7 and the playoffs in two years.
3. Has returned to the NCAA at UNC, taking a dreadful UNC team from 4-8 the first year to 8-5 the next two years, losing two bowl games by three total points.

Butch's resume is deeper, and so he makes more money. Take a look at other former NFL failed coaches in the NCAA, and that is true of them as well, like Lane Kiffin and Steve Spurrier and Nick Saban.

Doc Ibis

Butch hasn't done anything more than Randy while being at UNC was my point... He went to NFL and flopped...

DrewZ2

Cat5 my bad I agree with your view I was only looking at the right side of salaries without reading that they were bonus'.... so that being said I want Randy in the top 5 of salaries

I do think Randy will get this done

CSM I'll send u a rough draft sometime in the next few days unless u just wanted the general idea?? let me know

Lurker

Randy deserves to be in the top 5 coaches salaries in the ACC and at over $2 Million.

3 years minimum with added incentives for winning their division of the ACC, the ACC title and a BCS bowl game.

Posted by: SOUP | April 15, 2010 at 04:57 PM

Soup - I totally agree. Randy would take this deal. I'm pretty sure what they're offering him is significantly less.

As far as race, me, I'd leave that be for now. I know Randy doesn't want that discussion in the mix AT ALL. You can take my word for that...or just know the man, it's not his style, he's too classy for that.

Soup...I'm still thinking, thinking, thinking

But here's what I say:

PAY

HIM

NOW!!!!!!

DrewZ2

CSM ---> mail sent

j.w.

I don't agree that Randy's contract issue has anything to do with Randy's race. It has everything to do with being wary of committing to another big money deal where so few have worked out recently (Coker, Clark, to some degree Haith).

Sebastian

So the NCAA now decides that an official can take away a TD if taunting happens before the actual TD is scored

Are they kidding me with this garbage!!!!

Another way for the officials to screw someone out of a game

We cant have these players playing with emotion I guess

Who the hell ever comes up with this kinda poo-poo really sux!

Cat 5 Cane

OK... Where should Randy Fall?

Here is the table of coach’s pay in the ACC:

1. Paul Johnson, Georgia Tech. – $2.3 million ($3.33 million possible with bonuses)

2. Jim Grobe, Wake Forest – $2.17 million ($2.5 million)

3. Butch Davis, North Carolina – $2.15 million ($2.26 million)

4. Ralph Friedgen, Maryland – $2.03 million ($2.56 million)

5. Frank Beamer, Virginia Tech – $2 million ($2.42 million)

6. Jimbo Fisher, Florida State – $1.8 million ($2.6 million)

7. Dabo Swinney, Clemson – $1.75 million ($2.63 million)

8. Mike London, Virginia – $1.7 million ($2.27 million)

9. Tom O’Brien, North Carolina State – $1.52 million ($2.63 million)

10. David Cutliffe, Duke – $1.5 milliion ($1.5 million)

11. Randy Shannon – $900,000 ($900,000)*

12. Frank Spaziani – $900,000 ($900,000)

(Data provided by http://www.sun-sentinel.com)

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


Who has he beaten and look at who we have played, compared to the rest in the ACC, sitting back and smiling.

Sebastian

#2,3,4 shouldnt even be up there

I will say this though. VTech is getting a pretty good bargain compared to what those other 4 are pulling in

I would like to see Onions contract somewhere along those lines

The base can be a bit lower if they wanted but I would add more to the bonus

Make it a 5 year contract

A contract needs to be signed NOW

Cat 5 Cane

Perfer 2 mill
Even 1.8 with incentives

bonuses...
getting to 10/2
getting to ACC
winning ACC
getting to BCS
winning BCS
getting to NC
winning NC

Better use of Time Outs... Huge Bonus!


solarcane

"I'll say it then, Randy doesn't have his extension yet or an offer close to the dollar amount because he's black."

Maybe the most asinine comment ever posted on this board

We could start 22 black players all season long without a let up in performance anywhere, but Miami is cahoots with the Klan

Miami is a small private school with an alumni that is quick to complain and slow to write checks it's been that way here forever
Randy knows what he's is going to be paid.
He is tickled to death to be Miami's HC

Maybe just maybe Randy's in it for the kids and not the money.

CaneSawMassacre

Hola

DZ8

Posted by: solarcane | April 15, 2010 at 07:00 PM

Keep rockin brother!!

Miami is CHEAP, not racist!

solarcane

wad up dz?

The sky is always falling crap is so stupid it can be dismissed.

Miami being a racist school is the most ridiculous of heap ofthe ridiculous comments on here.

Who was Ray Bellamy again???


Breaking down barriers
How two people helped change face of college football

Posted: Wednesday November 2, 2005 3:19PM; Updated: Wednesday November 2, 2005 4:51PM


Ray Bellamy helped desegregate college football as an athlete at the University of Miami in the late '60s.
Courtesy of the University of Miami


A Sports Illustrated writer who's given a vast swath of real estate to tell a story can still find himself frustrated at not having enough space. That's especially so if the subject is rich enough, and the subject of my report in this week's magazine -- on the black pioneers who integrated big-time college football in the Deep South during the '60s-- proved to be rich as Croesus.

Over the fall I spent several weeks hop-scotching through Kentucky, Florida, Texas and points in between, and no stopover proved to be more memorable than a Sunday morning spent in southwestern Georgia.

One of my breakfast companions that day was Dr. Henry King Stanford, the 89-year-old former president of the University of Miami. Not long after arriving in Coral Gables in 1962, Stanford received a courtesy call from football coach Andy Gustafson. The two chatted until Gustafson, his hand on the doorknob as he prepared to leave the president's office, asked if there was anything in particular he might do to please the new boss. In fact, there was, Stanford said: Recruit a black football player.

"That doorknob turned to molten metal," Stanford says today, recalling the moment.

Gustafson pointed out that LSU would cancel its scheduled game with the Hurricanes. "Who's making policy at the University of Miami?" Stanford snapped back. "We or LSU?" "Other parts of the university had been desegregated," Stanford told me matter-of-factly. "I just decided we should be doing this."

Joining Dr. Stanford at breakfast was the remarkable man who ultimately desegregated Miami football -- and indeed, if you don't consider Maryland part of the Southeast, was the first black football player to sign with a big-time college in that part of the country.

Today, Ray Bellamy is 57, still lean and rangy enough that he looks as if he could still line up and catch passes, as he did in his trailblazing days. Bellamy grew up in a family of nine children, with migrant-worker parents who kept their kids busy during the summer picking vegetables. In the winter the Bellamys bivouacked in Palmetto, Fla., where Ray was expected to distinguish himself in school, even though his father was illiterate. Bellamy became student-body president at all-black Lincoln Memorial High, but college -- especially a rich kid's school like Miami -- seemed unfathomable.

"The plan was, join the Army and stay in the Army, because anything was better than the life I was living," he says, with a nod to the Vietnam War. "It would have been fine if I'd been killed in the line of duty."

But thanks to Stanford's leadership, a new Miami coach named Charlie Tate followed up on a tip from a bird dog, signing Bellamy to a grant-in-aid. Before the end of his senior year in high school he began receiving the "Dear Nigger" letters. "I call 'em my love letters," Bellamy says. Once he had arrived on campus, a car swerved and nearly hit him. "I didn't know what I was getting into," he says. "Had I known, I might have braced myself better."


One day Bellamy accepted the invitation of a white coed to go for a drive in her convertible. He soon found himself, as they idled by the curb on a downtown street, pried from the shotgun seat by a policeman. From the precinct house Bellamy phoned Stanford, who, unable to get an accounting of Bellamy's offense from the arresting officer, showed up with his driver to fetch him. The two forged a friendship that abides to this day.

The night before the Miami freshman played Florida in 1967, Bellamy dreamed of getting loose on a long touchdown run. "[Florida coach] Ray Graves had said he'd never play any blacks, so I was the original Gator hater," Bellamy says. A 67-yard run on a pass play the next day almost perfectly duplicated that run of his dreams.



A year later, the night before Miami played at Auburn, Bellamy slept with an FBI agent outside his hotel room because of a phoned threat to shoot him if he took the field. As he jogged into Cliff Hare Stadium the next day, with his helmet wedged under one arm, a rock struck him in the head. With that, Bellamy says, "I wasn't afraid anymore. I got angry. It was a busy day." He caught eight passes for 121 yards.

In January 1970, Bellamy fell asleep at the wheel, and the injuries he sustained in the ensuing accident prevented him from ever returning to form. But he would go on to be elected Miami's student body president, running on the slogan, "It's not a white thing or a black thing, it's a people thing." Meanwhile, Stanford nudged forward a school that had once cancelled a game with UCLA to avoid having to share a field with Jackie Robinson.

Today, Bellamy is an assistant football coach at Fort Valley State, a lazy hour's drive from the retirement community in Americus, Ga., that houses his old patron. The two speak constantly and visit often, and the warmth and respect they share is palpable.

"It hasn't always been a smooth ride," Bellamy says of his life. "It hasn't always been a rough ride. But I'm ridin'."

At Fort Valley State, a historically black school, Bellamy has an acute compassion for a kid like that big offensive tackle from South Carolina a few years back, then the only white player on the team. In fact, Bellamy brought him over to meet Henry King Stanford.

"It comes back," Bellamy says. "Just as Dr. Stanford watched me grow up, I've watched him grow old."

And from watching them both, we can cultivate a deeper understanding of human relationships in all their variety.


DZ8

Love the Ray Bellamy part in Cane Mutiny!

It'll get done people. It should've been done already but that is how these things work. Anyone follow baseball and how the Strasburg negotiations went down to the final minute? Wait till next year and an actual lockout has to occur in the NFL before the players and owners get serious.

And besides it'll give us an excuse when we don't land Johnny 5-Stars that all the fans and recruiting sites wanted.

"We would've gotten Johnny if they had signed Randy earlier." Earlier being the key word. It will get done:)

DZ8

solar is Americus or Fort Valley State anywhere close to where you live?

Have you ever visited Bellamy?

solarcane

DZ

I have never visited Ray Bellamy but it would be an honor to me.

That is a great idea DZ if I find myself within 75 miles of him while out running around, I'll try and talk with him and share it if it happens.

Six

CaneSaw - You want my opinion of the Fabulous Sports Babe?

Come look in my toilet after a night of me shoving 25 White Castle burgers with jalapenos on them & chili cheese fries, drinking 2 Mickey's Big Mouths and downing a bottle of ex-lax

That's my opinion of her and her "sports" takes


orange 'n green in the vein

I think the new taunting penalty rule is going to finally pass instant replay in college football as ticking me off more this year.

Aqua

We should sign Randy quickly cause so many teams are after him, he might strike out recruiting local kids and have to sign kids from buffalo and Oregon..

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