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October 12, 2010

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NativeCane

Go Canes!!!

NativeCane

Soup, I hope two beer guy in the orange and plaid took out his post game Seminole frustrations like I would have!

NativeCane

SS

Duke

"We can't control Miami and their emotion and their circumstance," Duke coach David Cutcliffe said on a conference call Sunday when asked about facing an angry team.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/um-hurricanes/fl-miami-football-feature-1012-20101011,0,5486402.story

Coop

"He's a big key to this offense and has been all three years I've been here. It's definitely good to see him back out there full throttle after knee surgery, working hard rehabbing and going through treatments."

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/um-hurricanes/fl-miami-football-news-1012-20101011,0,168820.story

Posted by: NativeCane | October 12, 2010 at 05:41 AM

NativeCane

MH

Byrd

``After watching film, we got together as a team and said, `This is unacceptable,' '' Byrd said by phone. ``We would have rather taken a loss in overtime, rather taken a loss to a field goal or great play at the end of the game than to lose the way we did. Unacceptable.''

Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/10/12/1868688/sleepless-in-miami-loss-riles.html#ixzz128W5nV9J

UNC- Butch

Davis has owned the Hurricanes since becoming the coach at North Carolina in 2007. He coached his first victory against UM at Chapel Hill, 33-27. He won his second game in 2008 at Miami, 28-24. He won last year's game at Chapel Hill, 33-24.

Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/10/12/1868002/espn2-will-carry-miami-hurricanes.html#ixzz128WaEUdb

Posted by: NativeCane | October 12, 2010 at 05:51 AM

SOUP

Soup, I hope two beer guy in the orange and plaid took out his post game Seminole frustrations like I would have!

Posted by: NativeCane | October 12, 2010 at 06:34 AM

I AM MOST CERTAIN THAT HE DID.

sota cane

Can someone fill me in on what recruits were at the game and their reactions??? I see menocal said some were cheering for fsu..

WGT22

FROM A respected blogger at another site:

#12 is so disappointing on so many levels. Maybe Marve, Cook, and Smith were right. It was never going to be fair competition. Coach bought into J12 and hooked his entire career up to the J12 bandwagon and they are crashing together. Marve made it even easier to do by not going to class and such, but perhaps it never was going to be fair. Perhaps we just hard only coach’s side of the story because we had on blinders. I heard from a good friend whose connected that scouts have said to him of record we are the worse coached team in the conference in terms of player development. THE WORSE. Hard to argue when you see guys that did NOTHING here start to excel in the NFL after going UNDRAFTED then getting some coaching (Rashad Butler, Sam Shields, Bruce Johnson).

I’m jus saying. I’ve done NOTHING but support Team Shannon from Day 1. I even defended and emailed Patrick Nix when he had his struggles…NO MORE. This team owed us more than what they gave us Saturday. Hell f#ck us, they owed themselves and the past Cane greats more than they gave the other night. Unacceptable on ALL levels.

Lets see how they respond? But if the past is any indication of the future, like C1 said, when have we seen it change? I hate to say it, but we’ll be here again in a few weeks saying the same things (GTech, VTech, or UNC) because I am almost sure one of them teams is going to bite us in the ass.

I hate to be a downer and I hate to be seeing that but that’s how I feel.

I’m from Missouri now….SHOW ME!

Posted by: SOUP | October 11, 2010 at 10:26 PM

Let me tell you as well ... on a kickoff during the game, I decided I was going to just shoot an isolated shot on Jordan Futch as he ran down the field on kickoff

I did. What happened. He was the first person to the ball and he whiffed. Completely whiffed. The FSU returner then busted it loose and I believe that is the play that Bosher had to step in and tackle the guy

--SIX--

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Interesting comments.

The thing that eerks me the most about the last 3 and a half years is the complete lack of improvement in our (not so) Special Teams across the board. It's these units that provide the depth and valuable game experience that result in solid 2 deep Offensive and Defensive Teams on a yearly rotating basis.

Is it Coaching or lack of talent (recruiting 6 to 8 ... 6-1/200 lb High School Kamikazee LB's yearly) that is the constant problem ? And if it is a lack of young talent or kids that hate playing special teams because it's beneath them, do any of us really think that those type of players will ever develope into solid football players on either side of the ball a year or two later ?

Remember the days when we had our 2nd. team Kick Off coverage foaming at the mouth on the sidelines for a chance to blow somebody up and send their mouthpeices flying like a 4th. of July firework in the O.B. ?

Maybe the U Coaches should just stop trying to instruct these kids how to cover kicks on the field during practice and just sit them down in front of an X-Box monitor and pop in game film of Va. Techs Special Teams play for the last 10 years on a never ending loop, over n over n over n over n over n over n over for hours n hours n hours n hours...

Sebastian

Had our beloved `Canes beat FSU and run the table there is no way we could of played in that NC game

No kind of miracle would of helped

Now on to whats at stake: The VT game is on lock. Family members will be attending the game with me and I already promised them they a victory. It will be their 1st football game in the state of Fl. and 3rd game overall.

As for people asking for 4-5 wideouts. Who do you want out that you can rely on catching the ball

I hope #6 shoulder heals up and is ready to go by Saturday

The FSU game was the 1st and last bad performance by the D. Thats the part of this team that has to carry us and it showed that when they play bad we have no chance

It might not be by the scores everyone wants(50-0 wont please some) but the ACCCG is ours for the taking

the "U" is America's team

Fahgetaboutit.... fire Shannon!!! And fire him now!!! Lemme just say that if any of us were as inadequate as coach is at his job we would be fired at the drop of a dime. Its high time to cut ties with him.

solarcane

Miami Duke is on ESPN3

canezilla

GAME THIS WEEKEND IS ONLY ON THE COMPUTER DOES ANYBODY KNOW IF ANY SPOTS ARE SHOWING THE GAME?

Ohio_Cane

I just came out from my hole... Did we still lose to FSWho? We did? Damn...

I'll come back out for the UNC game, cuz the Duke game shouldn't be close.

44-10

Caniak aka true cane

FSU is still scoring on us, oh my!!!!!!!!!!!

solarcane

Last time I checked Jacory's stats (information that you can't use to judge anything by because its just true facts lol!)

He was 44th in the nation in pass efficiency after the Ohio State game.

His team won a couple games and Jacory dropped to 49th indicating the team was winning games, while Jacory struggled a bit.

His biggest supporters backed him up saying they would take him over any qb except maybe 8. He had lost his mojo and would snap out of it. We all hoped this was true.

Looking at his PE stats he is all the way down 83ed in the nation this week.

It's obvious something is seriously wrong with Jacory both physically and mentally.

He isn't responsible for missed tackles, bad special teams play, and dropped passes.


We were hoping he was going to be the leader that could carry a team on his back when they were down, that seems unrealistic now and in the future to me.

If Jacory is playing as the 83ed best qb out of the 120 schools in D1, it is disgraceful to think a Miami backup is worse than 84 starters in the country.

We have made some glaring miscalculations on the ability, endurance, and leadership of players we have recently recruited at our QB position.

Playa..The Blogger Formerly Known as Rashad

If they want people to show up for the UNC game, they better make all upper deck seats $19. After what we just witnessed on Saturday, Kirby needs to designate the UNC game as a Customer Appreciation Day..lol

DallasTX Cane

We have made some glaring miscalculations on the ability, endurance, and leadership of players we have recently recruited at our QB position.

Posted by: solarcane | October 12, 2010 at 10:30 AM

It seems, at this point in the season, that comment might apply to several other positions also. Gut check time CANES...10-2 and a shot at revenge with FSU = good season. Anything less is running to stand still.

Caniak aka true cane

I have absolutely no confidence in Shannon and his team. This season to me is lost, this sucks. Shannon needs to be fired, now

SSFDballer

LOL

ACC Title will never happen with this team, i love how Cane fans keep thinking this team is championship calibur.

They only have "signature losses", never have big wins.

They will lose at least 1 more game, i would bet on 2.

CaneRock

Jacory will be alright, He's the leader that we always thought He was...and IS. He and The Team will get their MOJO back, I have confidence in Shannon and Crew...

THE MAN

The question and comments are endless with this team. The only true answer I can think of is this team doesn't have smart football players or smart coaches, PERIOD! These players are fast and athletic, but they just aren't smart football players. Out of position, no tackling/blocking fundamentals, no development period! FSU ran the same running plays all game and the same passing plays all game and Miami couldn't stop it. Terrible! Whipple is one stubborn mofo. This whole offense is based on timing with the sh!tty out patterns and square ins. If the timing is off then the offense looks terrible. No short easy passes to a RB or a slant to a receiver so they can run in space. Nothing simple. All ultra timing sensitive. Also, we have been duped into thinking that those Northwestern kids were all world. They clearly are not. I guarantee you that they would only come as a package. AJ might be the worst route runner I have ever seen. Spence is the ONLY player worth a damn from that team. Jacory is obviously hurting, but he has developed ZERO since he has been here.

JaKirby Harris

Duke 24
Miami 17

CGNC

"The days of old were not always good but the days of the eighties and maybe even the early 2000's are gone. "

CC- I get what you are saying. But they are gone because the ADM wants them gone. Alabama recruits teenagers in this day and age. As does every school. So why do some of those schools have kick-a$$ programs???? Because their schools are more committed to it. This one is not. Plain and simple. And Damien Berry played hard. He always does.

And BTW - there is a new report I saw somewhere that said unemployed law grads are at an all time high. May want to rethink that.

raizecane

Duke 24
Miami 17

Posted by: JaKirby Harris | October 12, 2010 at 11:44 AM

If that holds true....forget it....i don't even want to think about it.

CGNC

They will lose at least 1 more game, i would bet on 2.

Posted by: SSFDballer | October 12, 2010 at 11:20 AM

SSDB- hi ya!! Hey look at the bright side! If we get any NCAA sanctions they can strip us of our bowl losses. LOL!!!!!

CGNC

Montreal!!! The hockey season is young. Don't go tooting your horn just yet! LOL

carolina cane

We will blast Duke but of course it will be a slow beat down, something like 41-10. It will be a good week to see what what some of the other WR's can do, it can't get much worse. Our recruiting philosophy has to change. Our L.B's are average our Dee-Tackles are average and as of right now who does it look like that's big time that would even come here. I know Perryman and A. Johnson are considering us but the dee-tackle spot is what is worry me. When is the last time we had a stud on the dee-line?
J-12 is playing like he is punch-drunk but he is our best option and only hope unfortunately. The season is not lost yet but our 2 main albetros games are left, Va. Tech & UNC and for some reason we play against them like we did Saturday night. Jay -12 Is now a hot 32 for his last 90 passes and that's against average defenses! The offense just looks plain slow.

mi@mic@ne

Let me encourage JH... because i see him bowed down in prayer on the side lines. So i do not doubt that he has a connection to the supernatural... But JH is being tested rite now. Look these things are the most difficult things that we face when we show some reverence for God... in what game we consider our most respect. Cause this game will be the closest thing we come to a personal relationship with pain.
If JH is giving God the glory then it is going to be an added test. But you must not give up. You will see your day coming... JH. You are learning to endure at this moment of time. But your vision of what will transpire on the field we be that much more of a focus to you if you keep your eyes on the important things.
I like to see a person with that kind of reverence...that seriousness will bring results as you grow... hopefully all of the pain this season that you experience will help you in your focus on these important things. I am looking for this to mature JH so that in the future he will be more mature when he gets his success on the field... keep on keeping on JH!

JaKirby Harris

Miami spends the same amount on the football program as Eastern Michigan University. If it makes you feel any better, we are doing better then they are. But don't expect UM to compete with the big boys. Just not possible.

JaSackity Brantley

Miami spends the same amount on the football program as Eastern Michigan University. If it makes you feel any better, we are doing better then they are. But don't expect UM to compete with the big boys. Just not possible.

Posted by: JaKirby Harris | October 12, 2010 at 12:14 PM

UF spends more than any other team in the country for the same result as UM. Don't expect UF to compete with the big boys, just not possible.

mi@mic@ne

JH i have witnessed some necessary abuse that you received on the field.If there is any one more interested in your success it is i... i would wish the worse on anyone who does evil to you. I witnessed ... as well as most of the people on this site a very successful history of Cane football...
I like to see us so dominate on the field. I think its evil that we get treated with a lack of respect as if we were not even part of college football greatest memories. Look ... i dont know why we are going though this trial period. I do not like to be a loser. This is as personal to me as my own working life.
But i am going through this as a special trial. I can understand the difference between living my life through some other people and wanting to see success that gives me great joy. I know that we will be a great program again. I am praying for games like the one we had in Blacksburg when we won big with Clappy. That was a very strange game.. we deserve some gifts like that. I feel as if we must go out of our way to focus on success in our down time... like seeing the touchdown pass before it happens when we are resting. I remember feeling that we could not lose and we felt the pride of U every season. It is personal to me ... trust me... i want to see that kind of focus again.

mi@mic@ne

unnecessary

dg

The thing that speaks volumes is that no JUCO QB has been brought in to compete with Jacory! Others have said, "Why are we recruiting spread QBs when we run a pro set?" I still say the team was tired from the road trips--remember this kids really have to go to class.

Perhaps RS is not the harda$$ we thought! As far as scouts mentioning how underdeveloped we are, I bet these are the same ones that gave out all the 5-star rankings and are amazed when the 5-star plays like a 2-star. No merit

canechic

That said and Alabama lost to South Carolina and almost to Arkansas.....just a different world today. I am just saying that we as cane fans must except those "good old days" ain't coming back. I am just learning to get real about football......it is a changing.

mi@mic@ne

We need to focus on being successful. The guys need to think about their responsibilities in their positions and imagine they are in a situation and they are bringing the wood so they are used to feeling thinking and acting correctly even when they make mistakes. They must program themselves to be better than anyone else in being the best. No more feeling sorrow or being negative.
Get some sleep when you have an opportunity to do something fun. You got to learn how to shut down. Sleep will make you more focused when you are ready to perform. You cant make your body do something when it is tired and not fed rite. Learn how to relax and rest.
Randy needs to keep the focus on the little things and be encouraging in having them done correctly. We must have all cylinders running in the game.
The coaches need to put their personal agendas aside so the players see them on the same page. We need to be above the game in our concern for the other person. Its time to practice thinking that we are going to be successful so that we dont continue to play flat.

canechic

And the guys on the canes team could go to any of these other colleges. MIAMI has NEVER EVER paid a good coaches salary...the funds just are not there. You cannot take funds raised for the medical program and place them in the football program. Do you guys really think the school spends less money on athletics today than they did in 1999?

VACane

I tend to believe this: on a regular basis, perhaps in each game, we get away from basic football. Blocking, tackling, hustling, thinking, play calling, desire , attitude.

We do not play aggressive up front, we miss tackles with our arms or by diving for the monster hit. You slid the head by keep it up to see what you hit, and wrap him, drive him. Catching the ball. You do not let it get to the body, get it in the hands. Blocking. Drive with the shoulder, tail down, legs drive. Special teams you go 110%, but you have to be aware and under control. You tackle with the shoulder. Penalties. How can one forget the snap, or block in the back, or hold. Not thinking, or lazy. Personal fouls. Stupidity, plain and simple.

Several have commented on Whip. Agreed, they got his number because of repetition. Play calling is probability, not certainty. Sound like math.You study the opponents and work against their weakness. You really must look at all tendencies, and weaknesses...as a group and individually. 2 runs and a bomb or a run and 2 bombs do not work. The first drive was good. Quick runs, short crisp passes....then we get to the red zone and stop. Miss a fg. You go back to the success next drive. With our guys speed, the bomb is nice but they know it, so J12 ends up throwing into it. 1 on 1 15 yards works just as well...and spread them for the run. Opponents are onto the stretching of the field. Just play deep.

Finally attitude. Not just the guys, but coaches. You have to feel this game, you want your guys to punish people with aggression, proper technique and no mercy, Ever. I like to see guys get up slow, walk off. Not from cheap hits, hard hits. I never see our staff into the lick. I relish in it, and my guys know it. I know they are teens, but they have learned to deal the lick, play with aggression and passion, go 110% every play, clean and hard. They know I expect that, and enjoy it. If they do that, its half the battle. I wish our staff was into it more, I know no other way.

Aggressive, hard, quick vicious blocking and tackling. Hard running at people, traps, and sweeps. Shorter crisp passing, 15 10 yards. Crossing routes, swing passes, draw plays. Spread them out and confuse them as to what is coming next. Thinking about each assignment on each play, knowing it, executing it. Thinking about on 2, coming off the ball first so you do not have to hold.
Getting fired up as a team, not individuals. Not resting on past accomplishments or glory, it is fleeting. Thinking about Duke, remembering that FSU whipped you because of the mistakes, attitudes, lack of effort, poor planning by everyone....and focusing in on your assignment, your job, the guy in front of you.

I think we hope that our talent will win. Talent is great, but it has to be taken for raw to pure. These kids may know the basics...but they have to be repeated over and over, even now, to get rid of bad habits. The staff has to do that....and sometimes you have to be assertive. I do not embarrass or flip out...I constantly teach and challenge, reprimand and reward on a level they understand clearly. Maybe this is not happening daily, weekly, monthly. It has to be dogmatic. You cannot assume they know until its over and over and becomes routine.

Again, I know I have teens, I am nobody and I am not wanted or needed by UM or anybody else. I coach for free, 30 years. I do know what works for mine. No I have no NCs, haven't made a meaningful block or tackle in years. My current team is succeeding as planned (and I mean they not me)... last 3 years 24 reg season games, 9 playoff games and 3 Supers...in a league with 32 teams. They are 5-0 so far, unscored upon.41 in a row doing the basics, adding new wrinkles to the basics. I teach them the basics, these kids do repetition of fundamentals daily, and learn new things. Looks good so far.
I have forgotten FSU, its time to refocus and prepare for Duke. I hope we can do some things by not blaming, but working together, staff and players. JMO

mi@mic@ne

I know if the team has played a hard game and they are beat up they need down time. The more you are up and around the less you are giving you body to heal itself. The dedication of being the best is in times when no one is watching and you develop routines that give your bodies the best recovery.
If a team does not do the little things rite off the field then they are going to not be able to find the vigor necessary to perform.

The game is much more physical than in the past. Violence is not just hitting someone... its exerted over your own selfish desires. If you want to be the best you got to give up some things so you can be ready for the next game. You got to eat rite sleep more and spend time thinking about the rite things outside the program.

College football is much more competitive. I can see against florida state that we did not have our legs. In the medical field where people come on with life threatening and physical pain .. the nurses and doctors are trained to think and say things that will help in healing. They train themselves to do the rite things they learned in college. If we sit around and think about the things we did wrong then we are going to do the same things when we are in the game and it becomes tough. But if we are used to thinking rite then we will not let it affect us. It will be automatic.

sota cane

can someone fill me in on what recruits were at the game and what their reactions were???????

canechic

I just do not know what the problem is, it may be coaching, may be the school, may be the kids, I have not a clue.

mi@mic@ne

The only reason i am saying this is because we are dealing with a doctor jeckel and mr hyde thing... It seems like we shoot ourselves in the foot when we come to games where we need to be the most focused and make the most mistakes ... it seems like we are dominating physically in one game and then another game we totally look weak.
If we know there is a big physical game coming up its more important to shut down after practice when we are beat up so we are ready...
Last yr we have the plague of injuries.. we were not the same team we started out with. This yr it looks like we are physically getting beat when we need to show up.

mi@mic@ne

The only glaring thing that needs to be change immediately is ST.. the other stuff cant be coached.. its winning in the trenches.

mi@mic@ne

I do this every day.. i set aside time to meditate... which is a form of creating a future circumstance. So i make it a special time... then when i am happy with the time i spent changing how i think i am ready to be what i was thinking. Its got to be something you plan. Its all about focus.

DZ8

Posted by: VACane | October 12, 2010 at 12:59 PM

Good stuff. I have always been a big believer in winning up front. The saddest thing the other night was the way our D line got handled. I might be too close to the kool aid but I still believe in the kids on the d line, think they just had a "quicksand-like" night.

Think a return to basics is all we need. I hope a return to basics is all we need:)

mi@mic@ne

JJ taught this... we always believed we could win. Randy has the same mind set but it doesnt come across in the games... like clapping for the team when things are not going rite.
Or not reacting to the game .. but looking as if he is trying to hold onto his emotions... i can remember JJ in the game against Michigan.. over on the side lines so focused that he was moving his hands up and down when their receiver bobbled the ball on the way out of bounds. What a classic JJ.

You got to feel the game so you are more of a coach than a spectator.

Ungar

If they want people to show up for the UNC game, they better make all upper deck seats $19. After what we just witnessed on Saturday, Kirby needs to designate the UNC game as a Customer Appreciation Day..lol

Posted by: Playa..The Blogger Formerly Known as Rashad | October 12, 2010 at 10:36 AM

How about $17? Make the price be the points scored in the previous game.

Then if we do get shut out, free game in the upper deck!

Max it at 30 bucks, though, so that the 45 bucks against FAMU jacks the price for the upper deck be too high.

raizecane

I just do not know what the problem is, it may be coaching, may be the school, may be the kids, I have not a clue.

Posted by: canechic | October 12, 2010 at 01:19 PM

I feel the same way.......

mi@mic@ne

JJ had the philosophy that the coaching was done in the practice ... he had coordinators to handle the game... so his thing was to rally the guys...its really not time for coaching.. in a game for Randy...Its being a cheer leader... unless you want to go back being an assistant. Showing confidence... being truthful to a player..this guy is beating you...etc.. talking to the refs about the bad calls in response to the crowd...

VACane

DZ,

I have a vivid memory of MF sideways just getting driven off the ball. His head was wobbling, arms waving, standing straight up.....10 yards from the LOS. I am not picking on him...just stuck in my head. The basics are critical, along with bringing it.

You got to feel the game so you are more of a coach than a spectator.

Great point I feel the same....you got to feel it deep. I cannot knock RS, but even when I watch the games on tv, I have a clear out area so I can move around....and I always have a ball with me....just habit. I do not yell and scream...try to watch and learn more so I can continue to teach. Good points guys VAC

mi@mic@ne

Dont be afraid to let the guard down a little and feel like a idiot... a little kid reacting to something that he has no worries over cause hes at home.

Six

Posted by: CaneRock | October 12, 2010 at 02:52 AM


That's pretty obvious. I guess you know what Teddy texted then to this person that I'm talking about, but haven't told anyone but 86 and solar

It's also saying then that the Canes talk has been cheap b/c they've lost 3 of their last 6 ... basically 3 out of their last 5 b/c FAMU shouldn't even count as a win

They must not be proving anything out on Greentree either, except having pillow fights with each other

I'd rather have Teddy say what he said, more than a few times, than not say anything at all - esp. now

I back Jacory, always have, much like Edge ... then there are also Canes such as Shockey who I agree with, who scoffed at Jacory getting 'swag' cut into his hair and said that he doesn't done sh*t in order to put that there

I brought this up as well, and I would truly like to know what the real story is behind this ... why does Morris have a RShirt on him. Countless amounts of people have brought this up already, that Jacory has no worries about losing any sort of playing time unless he has to sit out a play for injury on the field to himself, and then come right back in

Ya, maybe Jacory really is the type of cat that needs a different approach b/c his psyche demands it

There are some that say Shannon is too loyal to a fault, that it might cost him his job. But we also hear about Shannon saying that he tells his current players that every year during recruiting, he's going out to find someone to take their job

It will be interesting to see what transpires next year when Teddy is there, along with Morris who will no long have the RShirt

Everyone loved the fire that Kevin Nelson had during the off-season or players such as Berry or Spence, when they talked about bringing the U back to where it should be

I'm also sure that a lot of people liked it as well when a certain player (Jacory) was reported to have told, Manny Navarro I believe?, during the ass kicking by UVA in the last game at the Orange Bowl, that it would be different when he gets there and that he could make the throws in his sleep that Kyle Wright was horribly missing

Teddy is doing nothing different than what Jacory did back in 2007

SSFDBaller

whats up CG, yeah looks like another sweet Emerald Bowl in san francisco vs. arizona or something. All i know is im best betting who ever plays Miami in the bowl game! Jacory should be playing at Norfolk state!!!

The only thing i have now is our pens & thank god the NBA starts in 2 weeks.

Sid The Kid gets #2 this year...

Six

sota cane - if the recruits that were there changed their mind simply b/c of this game, do you really want them in the first place

Wouldn't you rather have kids that want to come help the program and see that they have a shot to do it, rather than kids that would rather just go hop back on the bandwagon of another team that sent them a letter b/c they remembered they saw a certain hat of that team at Lids in the mall and liked how it went with their outfit?

Isn't that why guys like Brandon Harris, Brandon Linder, Eduardo Clements, Olivier Vernon, Ray Ray Armstrong, Dyron Dye, Mike James, Jermaine Johnson, Kevin Nelson, Storm Johnson, Travis Williams, Jermaine Barton, Vaughn Telemaque, Marcus Robinson, LaRon Byrd, etc. came to Miami? B/c they wanted to come in, help out and bring it back to where it once was? These guys had their choice of going a hell of a lot of other places, bigger state schools with better facilities and more money spent by boosters/alumni ... but they still came to Miami

carolina cane

Six,

The problem with that group who is bringing us back where. It sure doesn't help recruiting when you get your brains beat out by a team that at this point and time is not as talented as you. Our offense stinks and it's stagnet and our dee-line and linebackers, hell there great 2 plays and suck on the third. There is absolutely no consistancy on this team, period. I don't get excited about beating teams like Duke, that proves nothing, beating teams like OSU, Va. Tech, & the Oklahomas of the world gets me excited and gives me hope that we are back where we belong. These three times a year complete beat down games are getting old. I have no problem getting beat by a fg or late TD but getting punked is getting old. Randy needs to either changed that monatone image or The "U" needs to pack his bags.

CGNC

Posted by: canechic | October 12, 2010 at 12:50 PM

after winning 18 or 19 straight

CGNC

SSFD- yes! and did you see we finally beat the Devils? (Sorry OGV but your team was our achilles heel last year!!)

CGNC

Do you guys really think the school spends less money on athletics today than they did in 1999?

Posted by: canechic | October 12, 2010 at 12:58 PM

Dunno, but I would love to see a budget (which will never happen still would love to see it though)

canechic

Miamimike- this team needs meditation. Ray Lewis took up meditation a couple years back and he is a focus machine right now.

Focus is everything. This team has the tools but they lack focus. I am not sure some of these kids will ever have that kind of focus. They are a very immature team, no matter their age.

canechic

CGNC- I would like to see it too because the facilities at school are 100% better then they were in 1999. I cannot tell how much nicer the entire school is now.

sota cane

Yea I get that six, I just wana kno what recruits were the and their reactions...thats it. I don't need a breakdown of current pla6ers that decided for us.

SSFDBaller

SSFD- yes! and did you see we finally beat the Devils? (Sorry OGV but your team was our achilles heel last year!!)

yeah 0 for last year, & first win in the CONSOL :)

SSFDBaller

I sure hope Kirby is sending out feelers behind the scenes to see if any real coaches would be interested. I sure would be, and any good AD would be testing the waters.

Six

The problem with that group who is bringing us back where. It sure doesn't help recruiting when you get your brains beat out by a team that at this point and time is not as talented as you.

Posted by: carolina cane | October 12, 2010 at 03:06 PM


Once again, wouldn't you want the kids that want to come to the program after seeing that they can come in and help?

And again, look at some of the kids that still came to Miami, even after the 5-7 year

Florida State had 6 losses last year, but still got recruits

Florida State has been outscored 202-71 by UiF and haven't beaten them since 2003 ... but they still got recruits. You're telling me they didn't get their brains beat in the past few years by Florida? They still got some pretty damn good recruits though, didn't they and a lot of them are the ones that you saw curbstomping the Canes this past Saturday

Of the guys that I mentioned, which ones who are starters right now, can you tell me that haven't really helped the team try and get back to an elite level

And it's almost on the verge of being a hypocritical statement to say that the Canes got beat by a team that wasn't as talented as they are ... b/c there's probably been around 700+ posts on this website in the past 2 days about how this player or that player sucks, how they can't tackle, how they can't make a certain read, how they take horrible angles, how this, how that ...... so, which is? Can people see past the player that is wearing that U on his helmet to see that maybe he isn't as good as we all hyped them up to be? and that maybe the some of the players that had that damn spear on their helmet were just as good or basically, better than the players with that U on their helmet?

How the hell can you lose, 45-17, at home, and say that the team that stomped the sh*t out of you isn't as talented as you

How many posts have you seen, or sports talk show hosts that were actually former players and not a loud ass mouthed New York guy, talk about the Canes being blown off both sides of the line? If the Canes are a more talented team than FSU, then why did that happen? What about the RB situation? Chris Thompson and Jermaine Thomas sure the hell looked better than Damien Berry and whoever else the Canes handed the ball off to. The QB situation? Light years apart. Not even worth trying to compare even just a little between Ponder and Jacory


nashvillecane

Another notch in "The Pattern"

W-L-WWW-LL-W-LLLL-W-L-W-LL-WWWWW-LLL-WW-L-WWW-L-WW-L-WW-L-W-L-WW-L

Six

In the words of the almighty genius prophet Chris Rainey,


Time to die ... Duke.

mi@mic@ne

In this day when there is a lot of equal talent... speed and quickness.. then there is no game ...maybe a few teams in the acc...but over all most of the teams have enough speed to match across the field.
So you got to get other things in order.. like development of the player... getting each of the different groups on the field to play as juniors and seniors. Or coach up the sophs and fresh.
FSU had an o line that was very experienced. They were healthy and fresh.
We had trouble with their d because we threw into coverage and dropped the ball. Jh was hurt and was not accurate like he usually is. The qb is very important... look at the SC Bama game... Garcia basically throw a perfect game. SC won going away... Garcia took bamas running game away from them by forcing bama to throw. JH has some weight problems. And he also sacrifices his body when he should just throw it away or duck.

canechic

miamicane I meant you not miamimike sorry!

mi@mic@ne

I think FSU had two weeks to prepare and they played more games than we did ... but they were against cupcakes except OU. We came off some very physical games... We need to schedule cupcakes outside our conference. It looks like FSU who we play every yr may start getting in the top ten.. so we go enough if we beat them.

SOUP

I am just saying that we as cane fans must except those "good old days" ain't coming back. I am just learning to get real about football......it is a changing.

Posted by: canechic | October 12, 2010 at 12:50 PM

So are U saying this is a "premanent" condition?

Please, please, please...say it isn't so!

canezilla

SO THATS WHY IT TOOK SO LONG TO RENEW RANDYS CONTRACT

Ungar

SOUP, I know the article needed to be written, but I am just not feeling the ACC title vibe right now.

I do feel that we can beat Duke, though.

I really hope so.....

Somebody, post something lighthearted!

You know, like a kangaroo hops into a bar, and orders a beer. Since the bartender is not restrictive, he pours the beer, and says "That will be ten dollars." The Kangaroo reaches into her pounch, and pays the tab.

Quietly, beings drinking the beer, until the curious bartender says "You know, we don't get alot of kangaroos in here."

The kangaroo responds "At ten dollars a beer, I am not surprised!"

(And this is four days later. I STILL can't see how we could lay an egg like that. This was worse than the GT 2008 game, IMO)

Sebastian

I have no problem getting beat by a fg or late TD but getting punked is getting old. Randy needs to either changed that monatone image or The "U" needs to pack his bags.

Posted by: carolina cane | October 12, 2010 at 03:06 PM

It would be just as bad if not worse on here if the `Canes were to lose by a FG or a late TD

The `Canes beat Clemson by 11 and it still wasnt good enough. 31-3 and still some fans were complaining


SOUP

Dunno, but I would love to see a budget (which will never happen still would love to see it though)

Posted by: CGNC | October 12, 2010 at 03:24 PM

This info is readily available at the NCAA.com website.

Texas, Ohio State, Florida and Alabama make and spend the MOST money of all of the major schools.

Miami is nowhere near the top and lower than FSU also but UM was never near the top EVER and never will be being a small private institution without State $$$ or large booster group to support them.

raizecane

OK….just for giggles; let’s say that Spurrier is the head coach at UM. How long do you think JH lasts playing the way he is playing????

And for those who say we don’t have a backup that is equal to an injured JH, then I ask this question…..who is recruiting our QB’s that can’t come in and compete right away?? The staff is either being loyal to JH which contradicts their “we will recruit someone to replace you” line, or we are just not recruiting well / developing well. We will be in trouble for a long time if something doesn’t change and soon.

SOUP

I would like to see it too because the facilities at school are 100% better then they were in 1999. I cannot tell how much nicer the entire school is now.

Posted by: canechic | October 12, 2010 at 03:31 PM

OR 1986. THAT IS VERY, VERY TRUE!

pbcfrcane13

Why all this talk about money? It wasn't an issue in te 80's or 90's or early 2000's. Samething for the program not putting football on the top of it's priority. The only thing that has changed is we have not had a stud QB or that experianced OL to block for them. Thats it. It really is that simple. The other problem is the spread CFB on natinoal TV. Kids don't need to go to UM and sit till their junior year to play. Then can go to USF UCF and get noticed.

pbcfrcane13

I think people are over anylazing this. Think about it. A great QB we don't lose to OSU. We still lose to FSU yes, but then we are a one lose team still in the top 15. I bet then people are not killing this team like this. You guys forget how long it took Butch to get this team right.....it took a while. Also the run the canes had WILL NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN. Get over it. Go look up on how long between championchips it took big time programs. Go look at it. OSU, LSU, BAMA, USC, ND, OU, UT.

carolina cane

Six,
The only area FSU is better than us is their offensive line. Our Dee-line is a veteran unit loaded with average talent or is it a possiblity that our coaches just can't coach in big games, tell me if I'm wrong but when we get beat, which has been quit often the last few years, we just don't get beat, we self destruct. I live in North Carolina and don't have the luxury you guys to see them in person but I can tell you when I've seen them at 2 times at Va. tech & 3 times at Carolina, it's the same old song and beat down dance. Interceptions, penalties, missed field goals, dropped passes, missed tackles. Bottom line these coaches either erred on talent or they choke on big ball games and it's a little of both.

USAFCane

On player development, wheres the fault lie? Randy has replaced the OC, DC, D-line coach, WR and DB coach in his time. Surely not every hire can't coach. It goes beyond that to Randy himself. His players have the fire and passion coached out of them, they're flat. Where's Nelson? Told to shut up and color. Storm? Ray Ray who you can see gets fired up has to tone it down.

The team is flat and unemotional. Until there's fire it will stay the same.

pbcfrcane13

I'm not saying Randy isn't the guy or not. I'm going to wait till next year plays out because thats what I said I would do sine he got hired. People love to overreact after anything it's crazy. Like Heather over at ESPN. Really she states VT should be ranked but not UM but we lost to OSU best team in the country and FSU who she thinks is a top 10 team and going to win the ACC. VT lost to Boise and JMU so really after a bad game. It happens. Look this team has no MLB or depth at LB 4 new starters on the Oline. two SOph in the secondary a QB who is playing hurt dont care what UM is saying!!

UM may win out and they may not....but but next year is the year we have all said that since day 1. Don't forget Butch couldnt win big games either what was he 0-6 against FSU and VT in his first years guys.

DZ8

We had J12, Robert Marve, Taylor Cook and Cannon Smith all at once.

We weren't going to recruit any qbs with those #s and took lightly regarded legacy AJ Highsmith.

Then Marve leaves in the spring. No big deal. We still had young depth behind him. Then when Cook & Smith jetted that created a problem. We got a legitimates QB recruit the following year, Stephen Morris, and are due to get a top notch qb recruit this year in Bridgewater.

*If* there is any kind of favoritism being played by Randy it was only in the begining towards/against Marve. The Cook/Smith transfers is what hurt us. In normal times get a QB a year and you'll be fine. It's when they transfer out all of sudden or weren't recruited in the first place that drastic measures need to be taken.

86Cane

1. Ohio State University $104.7 million

2. University of Texas $97.8 million

3. University of Virginia $92.7 million

4. University of Michigan $85.5 million

5. University of Florida $82.4 million

6. University of Georgia $79.2 million

7. University of Wisconsin $78.9 million

8. University of Notre Dame $78.2 million

9. Texas A&M University $70.9 million

10. Penn State University $70.5 million

(from the year ending in 2006)

pbcfrcane13

Most of you people had unrealitic goals for this team. I know a lot of you on here do what I do you watch the game DVR them and then re watch it and so do I without my canes blinders on it. Next year this team will lose some guys but if Bharris stays I like what this team has next year.

USAFCane

think people are over anylazing this. Think about it. A great QB we don't lose to OSU. We still lose to FSU yes, but then we are a one lose team still in the top 15. I bet then people are not killing this team like this. You guys forget how long it took Butch to get this team right.....it took a while. Also the run the canes had WILL NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN. Get over it. Go look up on how long between championchips it took big time programs. Go look at it. OSU, LSU, BAMA, USC, ND, OU, UT.

Posted by: pbcfrcane13 | October 12, 2010 at 04:27 PM

Davis took a team on probation and built it up each year, oh one the odd big game (UCLA), I don't see that with Shannon, more of the same evry year.

86Cane

Director's Cup/Athletic Budgets

Came across the numbers for the director's cup the other day, the national rankings for how well a school performs in athletics. It has some interesting data.

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/...IStandings.pdf

Iowa State comes in at No. 58, middle of the pack. However, ISU's athletic budget is only $29 million dollars. Not crazy, but kinda low for this tier, suggesting the Cyclone's are overachieving with regards to athletics.

Check out the some other schools in this tier, their budgets & their respective ranking.

45 - Virginia Tech: $45.7 million
47 - Clemson: $40.4 million
49 - Miami (Florida): $51.6 million
50 - Iowa: $61.7 million
58 - Iowa State: $28.9 million
59 - Texas Tech: $47.9 million
61 - NC State: $35.8 million
62 - Colorado: $35.8 million

(Source: Indianapolis Star)
http://www2.indystar.com/NCAA_financial_reports/

Removing the outliers of ISU & Iowa, the average budget for this level is about $42.9 million dollars. Iowa State is overachieving like crazy, while Iowa, to borrow a phrase from Patton Oswalt, is a failure pile in a sadness bowl.

pbcfrcane13

Btw for you guys who are so pissed about the QB spot.....Cook go look what he's doing oh nothing can't start at Rice

Smith got benched for a FR at Memphis.

Also people like to look at RS recors....I'm sorry the only record that counts for me is from this season on. He's first 3 teams. Year one SUCKED!!!! year 2 all FR year 2 all SOph with no Depth. This year is no excuses so I start counting now. YOu guys act like Randy has been losing with our teams we had back in the 2000's....have you guys forgot what he had to coach and play with those years. Man use some brains and thoughts in your comments don't just scream the same noise everybody else does cause it's easy

canechic

Yep 86 I am afraid it is so!

And yep the "U" is not spending that kinda of money, never have and never will!

Sometimes in life circumstances happen were a group of people get together by chance and make history.

-The Beatles
-Those great men who founded this country
-The 01 canes
-Next??????

pbcfrcane13

USA......what year was that of his contract?

canechic

~where

pbcfrcane13

Btw so far RS has improved a team with no talent...go look at the drafts and he's built it up so far no? 5-7, 7-6, 9-4

;Looks like improvement to me

pbcfrcane13

I'm sure i'm in the minority on this stuff and I would love to respond to people who disagree with me, but I am at the fire house today just had to get some stuff off my chest before another call comes in. So if I don't respond not cause I don't want to lol

86Cane

Most of you people had unrealitic goals for this team. I know a lot of you on here do what I do you watch the game DVR them and then re watch it and so do I without my canes blinders on it. Next year this team will lose some guys but if Bharris stays I like what this team has next year.

Posted by: pbcfrcane13 | October 12, 2010 at 04:35 PM

pbcfr...good to see U blogging on the regular. Love having U around.

But I gotta call U out! It is not just SOME fans and ONLY the fans that have high expectations at Miami and this year in particular.

1. Minimal expectations for 91% of UM fans surveyed in a poll was 10-2 or better.

2. Shannon, Jacory, Berry and others have said numerous times over the last three years and again before 2010 started that they understand that (and I quote) "The expectation at Miami is to win the BCS Championship EVERY YEAR, that's just the way it is at Miami."

They went on to say something like: "We accept that challenege which is why we came to UM in the first place."

3. Now Shannon says that "It would NOT be a big disaapointment to NOT win the ACC this year? When a BCS Title is expected every year at UM?

GTFOOH

SSFDBaller

Jacory Harris Looks Like a Skate Boarder, i hope a REAL football player lights him up for good the last few games!

solarcane

Btw for you guys who are so pissed about the QB spot.....Cook go look what he's doing oh nothing can't start at Rice


pbc
Don't you think that justifies people being pizzed that no quarterback we have recruited lately is worth a crap?

Watch any Saturday hi light film and watch how many guys we didn't recruit look like real college quartebacks.

It's not just Jacory's lack of progress most are pizzed about, it's the fact we don't get leaders or guys with the work ethic to be somebody.

leave the pro style offense to the pro's

i'm tired of hearing about 5 star players being busts here then they leave and make a nfl team, thats not adding up to be a bust to me. if they are bust they shouldn't make it to the next level. that tells me that something must be a bust with us. how do we keep producing nfl players and have bad seasons here?

pbcfrcane13

86 I understand that and want my players saying that. I guess what I mean by unreal goals was why should anybody be shocked at3-2(1-1) right now?

I get people are more worried about how we lost and not losing itself. I'm just saying that in that game nothing surprises me anymore. In the end it's a lost and thats it

pbcfrcane13

Solar somebody on here would know better then me, but are we sure we didn't try to recruit guys and they just didn't want to come seeing Jacory was the starter?

Also RS got screwed by the other two leaving after that recruiting season and not before.

pbcfrcane13

How many guys who have been coached full time under RS was a 5 or 4 star guy that made it to the NFL?

Shields....wouldnt you say Shannon did him a favor by moving him to CB for his senior year instead of leaving him buried on the Depth Chart?

DZ8

Man use some brains and thoughts in your comments don't just scream the same noise everybody else does cause it's easy

Posted by: pbcfrcane13 | October 12, 2010 at 04:39 PM

OK. You go first.

86Cane

Atlantic Coast Schools ranked by football total operating

1. University of Virginia $16,812,582

2. Virginia Tech University $14,012,453

3. Georgia Tech $12,847,465

4. Florida State University $11,788,546

5. Clemson University $10,869,996

6. University of North Carolina $10,569,162

7. University of Maryland $9,301,053

8. North Carolina State University $6,851,208

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