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August 18, 2011

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SOUP

Again I will repeat that many of those receipts that are shown do not equal up to what he claims. I also know for a fact that 3 of those pictures he put out there are not fact based. Last note, theres about 200 media outlets sitting around waiting for any little gossip. Cameras are everywhere peeps

Posted by: BMAT | August 18, 2011 at 05:37 PM

BMAT...WELCOME TO THE SPACE.

Post here, post often!

canechic

360 we are on the same side the NCAA needs to change. I just can't be a Mom, a mentor of kids and excuse this behavior. I know kids party, I know they want to have fun but their behavior not only will penalize themselves but also the entire team,the students, the alumni and the school. So it better be worth it.

I am okay with playing the adult and even though adults are not always popular with kids, we are a bit wiser. It is up to us adults to make sure we make strong and stable young adults. Like I tell my kids I am your Mom not your friend. You can hate me all you want right now but when you get a few years older I promise you will like me again. ;)

Posted by: canechic | August 18, 2011 at 05:57 PM

2002nemo

NEMO's in the house.

Willie Will in Nashville

fourth

canechic

Soup are you concerned with the email Eichorst sent out today? Sounds to me like they know something happened just waiting for the consequences.

I don't know this is concerning to me. Public Relations 101: Get out ahead of the story. Donna knew this was coming, she knew what the media would do and yet she choose to let Yahoo break out first. I don't think she needed to deny or admit but get out in front of it. Don't be the follower....JMO.

Willie Will in Nashville

top 5, dam thats the closet i have ever been to being first and i've been here since the day one :(

Willie Will in Nashville

cc it does bother me that he came out and made that statement. but idk how all the other players from other schools are being cleared and our players haven't been cleared yet?

alf

GREAT READ....READ THIS ON ANOTHER FORUM. MUST READ...I AGREE WITH THIS GUY 100%

Take a step back, take a deep breath and consider this:

1. The NCAA is still investigating, and only they know what evidence they have and what evidence, if any, they have been able to corroborate using a much different standard than that used by a journalist - we all know that journalists by nature slant their stories for the sake of sensationalism and to promote their own agendas. I have read every article I could find on the story around the country, I stayed home from work today and listened to the local radio stations, and I taped all of the ESPN shows and just finished watching them a few minutes ago. After my search for answers I find that I am appalled by the lack of journalistic integrity and the pure hatred for the University of Miami being displayed by the media. It is one thing to give an opinion, but when your opinion is based on incorrect facts and full of bias, it turns into an indictment and a rush to judgment rather than an opinion. With few exceptions, the common theme today was that Miami should, and will, get the death penalty, with many calling for the death penalty to be implemented immediately! Yes, that's right, forget the rules of law and the presumption of innocence, it does not apply to the NCAA, and apparently the pundits on TV and radio have all the facts they need to find Miami guilty and kill the program - after all they read an article and that's more than enough to convict Miami. I'll just touch on a few of the incorrect assumptions these righteous media people spoke about today and considered in rushing to judgment against Miami:

a. At least 5 people said that Paul Dee was still the head of the NCAA infractions committee and should recuse himself - the problem with that is that he is no longer in that
position, but let's not spoil a good story with the facts;
b. With a few exceptions, they all referred to the Luther Campbell pay-for-hits scandal, and the taking players to clubs, etc... as Miami's first violation of NCAA rules and that
this incident now is just continuation of the Uncle Luke era and thus falls under the repeat offender category thus exposing Miami to the death penalty - This is wrong on so
many levels that I could write for another 2 pages, but suffice to say that Miami was never, I repeat, never penalized or even charged with any violations stemming from
Uncle Luke's actions, Miami was put on probation for the Pell Grants incidents, not the shenanigans with Uncle Luke. There is also a 5 year time-frame from violation to
violation that they conveniently ignored.
c. I heard that idiot Sid on WQAM, who claimed to be 100% sure that Jacory is guilty, and that he is sure the players took the money... really Sid? Then
perhaps you should be talking to the NCAA investigators since you seem to have evidence and information that the rest of the world, except for for you and Mr. Scumbag
stool pigeon rotting away in a New Jersey jail, do not. I wonder if you were invited to his Bar Mitzvah? Of course, nobody in their right mind would consider Sid Rosenberg to
be journalist, so enough said about that moron, who unfortunately for us alumni attended UM. This theme of absolute certainty that everyone named is guilty was common
in the so-called media today.

After watching ESPN cover UM's story all day I realized that it was Mardi Gras in Bristol Connecticut today.

I could go on, but I wont because this is not the proper forum. Suffice it to say that the Miami haters were out in full force today and rejoiced in fanning the flames and calling on the masses to pick up their pitchforks and come down to Miami for the lynching ceremony! Miami was tried and convicted today in the media and the only evidence before them was one article posted on a webpage - this is what we've come to in America today. With the access to instant information and the instant gratification mentality of our citizens, it is no surprise that a convicted felon who is serving 20 years in prison for lying to people and stealing their money can accuse an entire university of egregious acts and violations, and a journalist can write a mostly one-sided article which results in a conviction and sentencing of an entire university, and over 80 people, without ever hearing the other side of the story. Everyone has already taken the allegations at face value and decided, without any other proof but what was written in that article, that everything is true and Miami is guilty. That is just sad.

We all know that if this were a criminal investigation, any prosecutor worth his or her salt would not bring any charges based on the evidence made public thus far. First of all, the credibility of the person making the allegations is highly questionable and any good defense attorney would destroy this midget in court. Second, the so-called corroboration made by this writer and upon which the haters are relying consists almost entirely of pictures of players with this moron, and then the lying piece of shit attesting as to what happened when those pictures were taken, e.g.,

Example of corroboration conversation:

DIRTBAG: yeah, I was with these two players who appear with me here in the picture at the club,.....

WRITER: okay, so?

DIRTBAG: Well, I gave them money and hookers when we were there....

WRITER: Huh?

DIRTBAG: Yeah! I gave them cash and they had sex with some hookers....

WRITER: okay, that's good enough for me, its corroborated!!! Next picture please....

And so it went.... after all, the players were in the picture. It does not matter that a liar is giving you the date that the picture was taken and where.... so what if all you have is the statement of a convicted felon and proven pathological liar with a vendetta? If he says it happened that way and on that date, and if I have a credit card receipt showing that the scumbag was there, then what he says he did with those players must be true and is therefore corroborated. Where there any pictures with hookers? Where there any hookers who corroborated the stories? Let's continue....

Lets ignore that there is no paper trail for the cash money, no paper trail for the hookers (whom I assume were paid in cash... I don't know too may hookers who take American Express), and also ignore the fact that there is no other evidence but the statements of a proven and admitted liar. Of course, there was his ex-girlfriend who says she saw him give a player money, but I would want to put a lineup in front of her and have her identify the UM player.... that is corroboration, but I doubt this writer did that. This same corroboration issue goes to every picture taken (over 1,000), all that I can see is that a picture was taken and a story given for each picture by a liar... that's the extent of the corroboration, at least as reported.

Keep in mind that this guy also took pictures with our United States Attorney General Eric Holder and the Chief of Police of the City of Miami Beach, among other politicians and famous people... so I guess the Attorney General of the United States should also be questioned as to why he did not know that this guy was a Ponzi Schemer and stealing millions of dollars from innocent people, right? Where was the institutional control on the part of the United States' top law enforcement officer, Mr. Holder? Does the lack of institutional control go all the way up to Mayor of Miami Beach and to the United States Government - Can President Obama be found to have failed to monitor his Attorney General????? But I digress......

Seriously, what other evidence was presented in the article? Bank statements and cancelled checks for restaurants, strip clubs, clubs, hotels? Do any of those statements or receipts have the names of the players allegedly involved? I think not.... so again the corroboration comes from a proven liar and other "unnamed sources"... don't you love it when writers quote "unnamed sources".... who are these unnamed sources and unnamed ex-players? Are they going to talk to the NCAA? Inquiring minds want to know? This guy "unnamed source" is quoted in every major scandal, he sure knows a lot about a lot of things. So let me get this straight... up to now, we have one named player "Moss" who claims he took $1,000 from this scumbag over 5 years ago...... everything else is coming from the mouth of a liar with a vendetta.... backed up by unnamed sources, unnamed ex-players and pictures and receipts of money spent by whom.... the liar who is accusing.... and this was corroborated mostly by whom? The same liar.... WTF? Yes, I can see now how the media gave Miami the Death Penalty today.

The last time I checked, it is not illegal to donate money to a university and I can assure you that when this weasel made those donations he gave checks from a legitimate company; therefore, nobody could have imagined that he was running a ponzi scheme at the time - just look at how many donations were made by Madoff and Rothstein, the two most notorious Ponzi Schemers in recent history. Heck, Google "Claudio Osorio" President of Innovida - he is a guy who lives in Miami Beach and had another Ponzi Scheme going were he stole money from Alonzo Mourning, and many other basketball players and prominent business people, including but not limited to, Kris Korge, a Lobbist for the Democratic Party and President Clinton's close friend.. he was also Hillary Clinton's largest fund raiser during her run for President. If you go on his company's webpage (Innovida) you will find pictures of this Ponzi Schemer (who also stole over 282 million dollars from some people in Switzerland) and you will see a video of President Clinton in his house on Star Island for a fundraiser - even Obama and Michele have many pictures with this guy who is facing criminal charges here and in Europe as we speak.....the reason I bring this up is to show that Shalala was just doing what everyone does in her position, i.e., raise money for the University, and since at time this dirt-bag had a legitimate business, everyone in Shalala's position would have taken his money; but since it's Miami then let's show her taking a $50,000 check at a bowling event.... give me a break.... that is just yellow journalism and takes away from the credibility of the article. There is not one shred of evidence that anyone at the University of Miami knew that this guy was a crook at the time he was around and giving donations. Shalala even had her friend Coach Alvarez from Wisconsin invest in Shapiro's company, it is clear that she thought he was a legitimate businessman. All of the evidence at the time points to the fact that he was a legitimate businessman, and even the Attorney General of the United States and the Miami Beach Chief of Police did not know ... where was the IRS, the FBI, the local law enforcement on this one:? Oh, wait, they were partying with him on South Beach....

The allegations against the coaches are just as questionable - did you find any evidence, other than the statements of a convicted and proven liar to show that any of those allegations were true from reading that article? Okay, so again the writer says he corroborated the stories, but how? I guess he found an email or two from the coaches, perhaps a text message; so in his mind, since the coaches were communicating with this scumbag then his story about giving thousands of dollars to recruits and coaches must be true. This would not even be allowed to be introduced in a criminal trial; but it makes for a great story when you implicate the coaches. So let's see, the extent of the corroboration was as follows: you told me you gave this coach or recruit money, and this coach was talking to you at the time; so the pieces fit and therefore it's corroborated and must be true. Forget about the fact that the alleged payments were made in cash, and forget that all of the bank statements and credit receipts in the world can't prove that you gave the cash.... forget that without another witness to the transaction all you are left with is exactly what you started with,i.e, the word of a convicted felon with a vendetta who is trying to write a book and make money, and who was blackmailing players prior to coming out with this sensational story. Great job of corroborating..... this must all be true since you corroborated it.

Then there is the most sensational story of all, the abortion he paid for a hooker - here are the facts as presented in the article: he took an unnamed player to the Pink Pony (a nice strip club in Doral), and paid a dancer to have sex with the player..... a few months later the dancer calls him (I wonder how she got his number or even knew who he was) and tells him that she is pregnant and that the football player is the father....STOP... HOLD ON A MINUTE... for this to be true the following must have occurred: a UM player and dancer meet at a strip club, have unprotected sex, and then the hooker (whose probably had sex with 100 other guys since that encounter) claims that the UM football player is the "Baby Daddy". Again, there was no paternity test done, the baby was allegedly aborted though no records were presented from a doctor or abortion clinic of this having taken place, the hooker is not named, the player is not named, and yet the story is told. Forget about the fact that someone would have had unprotected sex with a hooker (something that just does not happen these days, heck the hookers today all bring their own condoms), and that without any DNA test or records of the abortion having taken place all you have is once again the word of a convicted felon who has lied his way through life... a true con-artist). Yet the media has already found that the UM player is the father....and worse yet, he never told the player about it.... nice guy! And nice job of reporting there slick. This requires a complete suspension of disbelief.

Listen, I'm not going to be a homer and say that everything that this guy said is a lie - All I'm saying is that everyone, including the lynch-mob media, should wait until the NCAA completes their investigation and see what charges are presented. Just today we learned that many of the kids mentioned in the article, e.g., Marve, the Browns, etc... have already been cleared by the NCAA of any wrongdoing regarding their associations with this jerk; so let's wait until all of the real evidence is in before rushing to judgment. As much as the media wants to see Miami get the death penalty, the facts made available to the public to date do not warrant such a harsh penalty. I'm sure that the NCAA will need more corroboration than just a picture and/or a credit card receipt, coupled with a tall tale from a proven pathological liar. I'm going to borrow a line from from Jack Nicholson in the movie.. "Please tell me you have something more...... This university is on trial for their lives. Please tell me that you have not pinned the hopes of a convicted felon and pathological liar to a credit card bill..." Okay, so I took the liberty of changing some of the words around... sorry for that.

In the end, my point is that Shapiro was such a good Con Man that he conned many smart business people and convinced them to invest almost a billion dollars in his scheme..... perhaps he even conned a Yahoo Reporter and a national media lynch mob.


Posted by: alf | August 18, 2011 at 04:47 PM

From the same guy....

In this regard, I know for a fact that there is a car dealer in Miami who got cars for Shapiro for years, and he went on a radio show yesterday and stated that Shapiro wanted to get a car for Jacory and also give him some money through this... car dealership, and that when it was offered to Jacory he flat out refused it. I hope the NCAA is talking to this car dealer - I'm currently trying to get in touch with his attorney to get him to come forward on the record, and I'm also sending the name to the NCAA for them to talk to him... if he talks to the NCAA it will clearly show that Jacory was not on the take, and will go a long way to mitigate the false accusations of that scumbag Shapiro.


Ray Ray Armstrong's dad was interviewed by the herald and told the herald that he or his mother went on every recruiting visit with ray ray and they never saw the scum bag

Posted by: alf | August 18, 2011 at 04:48 PM

Some more info.

Shannon hated shapiro and threathened all his palyers and coaches if they made contact with him they would be fired/kicked off the team.

Shapiro hated shannon for this reason.

If spence and forston knew that this was coming when shapiro first made the allegations. And it was true, they wouldve declared for the draft

Posted by: alf | August 18, 2011 at 04:52 PM

NCAA has been investigating this for 5-6 months and nothing has been said. But he comes out with this bs story on yahoo, just to get money. SCAM

Posted by: alf | August 18, 2011 at 04:54 PM

VA Cane

8th!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

canechic

Because with them it may have been one time but i am reading all around, many, many text message with the NW kids. And constant contact with Forston and Harris.

Just going to have to wait this one out.

NY Trooper

I feel bad for Coach Golden and for the players who will suffer in the future. It seems like the program was certainly moving in a positive direction, especially recruiting. I wonder if someone knew this was coming which had an impact in the decision to have the team stay together at the hotel for camp.

2002nemo

Technically, there is no more "death penalty" per se, or so we're told. (Of course, for MIAMI an exception is ALWAYS possible). Regardless, the NCAA could effectively sentence UM to a "slow death" penalty by imposing harsh sanctions for the Shapiro-gate caper: immediate multi-player suspensions, multi-year reductions in scholies, no bowl games for several years, etc. Top recruits and their parents will shy away from Miami like the plague.

As bad as we've been in the ACC to date - it will only get worse - for a long, long time - if we get hit hard by the NCAA, which is quite likely.

Attendance at "whatever its called this year" Stadium will drop like a rock.

Much like a murderer languishing in prison with a life sentence (because the death penaty was abolished in his state or not imposed in his case), Miami's football program is also facing a "slow death" sentence, even if the NCAA "death penlty" is formally abolished or not imposed in this case.

2002nemo

Strippers? Hookers? Money? Yachts? MIAMI?

Who knew?

Willie Will in Nashville

2002nemo,

calm down and take about 3 chill pills

elliott

I told U guys jus chill and stay positive. This thing is getting aired out now.

TLuv

Soup are you concerned with the email Eichorst sent out today? Sounds to me like they know something happened just waiting for the consequences.

CC-What is this email you speak of?

canechic

email:

Statement from Shawn Eichorst, Director of Athletics:

When I accepted the position of Director of Athletics at Miami in April, I not only embraced a new opportunity, but also a new family; a family of Hurricane students, coaches, staff, alumni, faculty and supporters. I know our family is hurting right now and that is what has made the past few days so difficult, upsetting and disappointing for me, as I am sure it has been for many proud Canes.

But these are not times for pity and reflection. All of my efforts and energy are committed to ensuring the integrity of the NCAA investigation, demanding the full cooperation of our employees and student-athletes and providing unwavering support to our more than 400 plus student-athletes and more than 150 coaches and staff. Along with our passionate and devoted supporters, they are the true essence of Miami athletics.

There are tough times ahead, challenges to overcome and serious decisions to be made, but we will be left standing and we will be stronger as a result. I understand there are unanswered questions, concerns and frustration by many but this Athletic Department will be defined now and in the future, by our core values, our integrity and our commitment to excellence, and by nothing else. The University of Miami, as an institution of higher learning, is a leader in exploration, achievement and excellence and we will work hard to do our part to live up to that standard.

In my introductory press conference back in April, I asked the community for their unconditional support in our efforts to achieve the goal of excellence. Now, the community, the coaches, the student-athletes and the University have my unconditional support as we move towards a better day. And there will be a better day.

jimmy

What up space. Its probably been a year or two since I have come here. Alot going on. How is everyone and is the old crew still here Solar,esteban,calvin,truth,bg1906, etc

TWStone

I love the comment and article posted by Willie Will~!

Truth is not easily manufactured, and much if not all of this will go away.

I wonder if ESPN and Urban Meyer will apologize when we are vindicated? Probably NOT.

There are many in the Media who make Hating CANES a life's work.

Where is Bruce Feldman on this. He's a CANE and ought to come to our defense.

TLuv

Sounds like a lawyer wrote that. I didn't get a sense of foreshadowing other than tough times ahead. Clearly we're going to have penalties. Just a question of severity.

TWStone

Sorry the post that I found very worthy was posted by ALF!

TWStone

Why can't the U bring suit for the way ESPN implies that our current coaches were involved, by never saying former Coaches?

Why can't we sue this so-called journalist for his apparent smear and lack of real evidence.

Funny how the names of 10 starters are on the list. Perhaps Ohio State paid for this guy to do a smear job.

BMAT

What the AD said was 100% correct in the fact that tough decisions will have to be made. Miami has been and always will be about family. Now comes the time where family members are being questioned. Miami faces the decision of possibly not allowing some to come back to campus. Miami will have to look alot harder as to what types have access to the program. So what the AD said was on point. Nobody is going to come out and say everything is great with no worries. Miami has everyone open for the NCAA to talk to and are not hiding or trying to protect anyone here.

SOUP

top 5, dam thats the closet i have ever been to being first and i've been here since the day one :(

Posted by: Willie Will in Nashville | August 18, 2011 at 06:08 PM

Willie...email me at: canespace86@aol.com.

I gotchU bruh.

2002nemo

"There are tough times ahead, challenges to overcome . . ."

Translation: "I've seen the evidence; we're screwed".

TLuv

Here's a link to all the accusations for each player. I'm sure this has been posted but thought I would put it up anyway. All the names are on the right. Forston 45 calls or text messages.

http://sports.yahoo.com/investigations/news;_ylt=Aqw5CcA4tk8pswFpYX3ngUlRMuB_?slug=ys-marcus_forston_allegations

If I'm any of these players I deny and make them prove it with something more than a proven liar's word.

DrewZ2

Massivcane......thanks for posting that...I was just gonnna post that same thing....everyone should read that

canechic

"There are tough times ahead, challenges to overcome . . ."

Translation: "I've seen the evidence; we're screwed".

Posted by: 2002nemo | August 18, 2011 at 08:16 PM
TLuv

My thoughts exactly!!!!!

canechic

TLuv just depends what the NCAA has as evidence, yahoo guy says they have much more than even he had.

Ohio_Cane

TLuv, they do know something happened. A few ex-players have admitted it. Now we wait and see if coaches and/or current players are guilty as well

TLuv

"There are tough times ahead, challenges to overcome . . ."

Translation: "I've seen the evidence; we're screwed".

Posted by: 2002nemo | August 18, 2011 at 08:16 PM

Yes that could be a translation. Another could be: "there are still mountains of evidence the NCAA has to go through and there might not be penalties any time soon. With each game and each win (hopefully) there will be more scrutiny.

SOUP

1. Soup are you concerned with the email Eichorst sent out today? Sounds to me like they know something happened just waiting for the consequences.

2. Public Relations 101: Get out ahead of the story. Donna knew this was coming, she knew what the media would do and yet she choose to let Yahoo break out first.

Posted by: canechic | August 18, 2011 at 06:07 PM

1. No more concerned than I was before the email. They know, we know, U know, I know that they know that some stuff is gonna hit the fan, and maybe sooner or later. The only question is how much stuff and how soon really? U knew that already.

2. Yes, I agree, get out in front. Unless of course you don't know what is coming up around the bend, which in this case appears to be the case. No way the would not tell Eichorst or Golden IF they knew this was what was headed in their direction.

Unless of course...NAH, NO WAY!

canesfan5

The media coverage on this reminds me of a south park episode. Where they make fun of the media during hurricane katrina.

There is millions dead in a town of ten thousand. There is rape robbery and murder going on. Have you seen any of this? No we are just reporting it.

AlpharettaCane

I actually asked a lady on the shuttle bus to the airport this a.m if she was Heather Dinnich...she looked at me like I had three heads.

All this NCAA stuff is making me crazy....

canechic

My thing is they could have come out a few days ahead of it. That way the media can digest it a bit, slow down the insanity a bit....every good politician knows this. You must stay one step ahead. No need for denial or admission. Just be forthcoming with the fact that the Sh!t is about to hit the fan. If they were blindsided I would understand but they have known this for over a year. PLENTY OF TIME TO PREPARE A STATEMENT!!!!!

Sorry this could have been handled much better.

I see no denial in either statement only preparation for the inevitable.

I do recall your comment about Al's body language and we both thought it was because of bad practice. Yikes can you imagine how he must of felt when the school told him this stuff? To be a fly on the wall!!!

canechic

Just be forthcoming with the fact that the Sh!t is about to hit the fan. And we have it under control.

pbcfrcane13

espn is amazing....they keep calling for UMs head but yet what do they do.....Lets get ratings and put The U movie on tv today get people to watch!!! GOD ESPN is so dirty......amazing how Urban is killing UM, but yet he had over 30 arrest under his watch.....and then nobody on ESPN even talks about how Shaprio said he didnt and couldnt pay for recruits to come to UM because of the money the SEC teams were dishing out. Amazing how ESPN people over look that comment.

dj moonbat

I see no denial in either statement only preparation for the inevitable.

Posted by: canechic | August 18, 2011 at 08:45 PM


Well, they can't put out a blanket denial, right? 'Cause something shady DID go down, at some point in time. Nobody can realistically deny that.

So, the U can deny those things it knows to be false, and then leave itself open to the inference that everything NOT denied is true. Or, it can do what it's doing, and not confirm or deny the substance of any of the allegations until the NCAA is finished.

jimmy


All Canes fan need to read this:

http://allabouttheu.wordpress.com/2011/08/18/renegade-reporter-spells-out-litany-of-accusations-while-often-failing-to-substantiate-his-claims/

Posted by: MassivCane | August 18, 2011 at 08:07 PM

Wow that was the best article I have read so far defending UM. MUST READ. ALSO all fans should forward that to as many media outlets that they can. That is not a big website so outside of Miami fans most wont no about it.

BMAT

The media is so brutal here that you cant go anywhere without them asking something. They are so pathetic that they will send younger peeps to walk around town acting like they belong just hoping to get 411. Its not tough to figure out who is frontin out here. Aint snitches around here I can assure you

canechic

I know dj, I know they can't and I know it is a slippery slope. But I don't get a good feeling of any one truly being in charge here. They have let the other side get the upper hand.

canechic

Oh no:

CORAL GABLES, Fla. – The NCAA informed University of Miami administrators it will consider invoking its “willful violators” clause and make an exception to the traditional four-year statute of limitations in the Nevin Shapiro case, a university source told Yahoo! Sports.

See link above.

alf

This does not sound to good:

http://sports.yahoo.com/investigations/news?slug=ys-miami_violations_statute_of_limitations_081811

Posted by: canechic | August 18, 2011 at 09:02 PM


Another yahoo claim, backing up their false artcile and infractions

alf

do not listen to yahoo for this investigation. they just want to back-up their claim

canechic

alf read it!!!

Yahoo guy was on every WQAM show today and he sounds very credible. He did break open the USC story.

canechic

NCAA president Mark Emmert said that despite the penalty being used only once before in college football – against Southern Methodist University in 1987 – the association isn’t shying away from such a drastic sanction.

“We need to make sure that we’ve got, for the committee on infractions, all the tools they need to create those kinds of deterrents,” Emmert told USA Today. “If that includes the death penalty, I’m fine with that.”

And while the likelihood of the death penalty remains questionable, the possibility of the willful violators clause is not welcome news for an already-embattled athletic department. Miami athletic director Shawn Eichorst released a statement Thursday assuring the school’s commitment to “the integrity of the NCAA investigation” and “demanding the full cooperation of our employees and student-athletes.”

Ohio_Cane

I'm just gonna wait until I hear something from the ncaa.

pbcfrcane13

anybody else read that who is it pat haden? USC AD is going to be top person on the ruling of this case like Paul Dee was for USC case?

If this is true isnt that a conflict of intrest or something?

dj moonbat

Well, look: if they're going to invoke a "willful violator" clause against us, it just proves that the NCAA really IS out to get UM. Because when you have a coach who is threatening players and staff in order to stop them from associating with a booster, that's the opposite of "willful."

I have never been one of those guys who thinks the world is out to get us. But if this particular clause is invoked, well, they're out to get us.

canesfan5

So what is to stop a fan going to a college he or she does not like getting pics taken with football players at bars and then saying they paid for it all.

canechic

dj that is why I say...Donna underestimated all this and the hate for Miami. She needed to be on top of this!!!!!

canechic

canesfan5 to let it get this far and with so many higher ups involved...got to be more than that. Or they would have dismissed the whole thing by now.

dj moonbat

dj that is why I say...Donna underestimated all this and the hate for Miami. She needed to be on top of this!!!!!

Posted by: canechic | August 18, 2011 at 09:16 PM


Not everybody understands Miami. I try to explain it sometimes to outsiders, and they think I'm being melodramatic, or just making things up.

Miami is a very, very fast-paced city. The opportunities for corruption far exceed those in Gainesville or Tallahassee, or (Shalala's last gig) Madison, WI.

Shalala thought she would handle this the way bureacrats handle minor scandals. She just wasn't aware that the combination of Miami, and the Internet news cycle, would make that impoassible.

alf

cant be true. pat haden is not on the board of infractions

pbcfrcane13

damn forgot where i read that

Bad Bart

One thing I have never fully understood is all the Cane haters out there....I can understand jealousy, but this is crazy!

Texascane

Billy Corben in the Washington Post about "smoke and fire"...

"A: I can’t imagine that the punishment will be worse this time, if there is any punishment at all. On Tuesday my line was where there is smoke, there is fire. Today, I am thinking where there is smoke, there is more smoke. Maybe the smoke is a little thicker when you get closer. It certainly doesn’t seem to me, with the most convincing evidence that we have seen, that the student-athletes really did anything wrong, well, certainly didn’t do anything illegal or immoral, at least as far as the community standards down here are concerned. Whether or not they actually violated any NCAA regulations, my line about that NCAA regulations are like marijuana laws --- Americans don’t understand or respect them. I think this is the time, if there has ever been a time, the NCAA does not need reform, it needs a complete and utter overhaul. … It’s very often that the guilty parties get away with it, and it’s the student-athletes behind them that get punished, which is also a real shame in all this. You’re punishing a kid in high school or middle school who might miss out on a scholarship opportunity because the NCAA stripped a school of them. If something is proven, if there is an email that shows Hocutt was aware of this much earlier, is he still allowed to be an athletic director [at Texas Tech], are there sanctions against Kirby Hocutt? Or is it the institution that he left behind in shambles? And not just the institution, but students who had nothing whatsoever to do with any of it? In what justice system in the world do people deliberately punish the innocent and allow the guilty to go free?"

BMAT

Its really not difficult to make a players life a living hell by doing certain things like this guy did. Go to a club or rest.and see some players there and pick up their tab, most owners of those places dont know that cant be done. Approach a player and ask for his autograph on something then they take it and sell it. Yep could be claimed as players fault. Lets just see if Tony Dungy gets into anything for taking his son who plays for the Ducks and his friends on the team to dinner and coining up for the entire grub.

BMAT

On to things Al can control. The practices are looking sharp and some of these guys just keep getting better. Clive, Hurns, Byrd continue to improve and put in extra work. OT has been very impressive since returning to the offense. Props out to Mike Will. hes putting it together quickly. Jacory put it where it needed to be

SinisterCane

NO death penalty

Two year post season ban and a loss of 30 scholly's. 12 players won't be suspended

mi@mic@ne

The U defense lawyers have no power. All they can do is writing wars. They cant even represent the playas ... by counsel. So we are already guilty... just remember that the constitution was put into place for the little guy. Without constitutional rites we have no personal rites.

raizecane

CC - For the longest time, you have been saying how these kids are this, these kids are that, they don't care and been knocking on them this whole time (not all but some).

At the same time, you were always saying how great Donna is and how she cares, etc....

Well, I am hear to say that if this thing blows up to the point coaches and admin staff were involved, Donna S should be removed from her position. All this took place under her watch and there is no excuse. Again, this is only the case if these allegations hold true.

solarcane

Mike James and Tyler Horn available to media tomorrow

relax

TLuv

Two year post season ban and a loss of 30 scholly's. 12 players won't be suspended

Posted by: SinisterCane | August 18, 2011 at 10:15 PM

While not the death penalty, that would be awful. Like Kiffin said, it'll set USC back 7 years. **sigh**

dj moonbat

The U defense lawyers have no power. All they can do is writing wars. They cant even represent the playas ... by counsel. So we are already guilty... just remember that the constitution was put into place for the little guy. Without constitutional rites we have no personal rites.

Posted by: mi@mic@ne | August 18, 2011 at 10:23 PM


The NCAA is not a state; it cannot imprison or otherwise punish offenders. The NCAA is a cartel, and it can simply tell cartel members that they can't participate in games with other cartel members unless they are in compliance. There really are not any significant constitutional issues posed by a non-state actor imposing these sorts of restrictions on its members.

SOUP

UMplayers Tyler Horn and Mike James will do interviews tomorrow.

SOUP

Just like Solar said. LOL

solarcane

wad ups soup?

TLuv

Instead of the bowl bans and loss of scholarships, they could just force us to hire cooker again. That'll set us back 7 years too lol

solarcane

cmac looks good wearing the 52 Titan's jersey

TLuv

I mean Coker...stupid iphone

dj moonbat

Instead of the bowl bans and loss of scholarships, they could just force us to hire cooker again. That'll set us back 7 years too lol

Posted by: TLuv | August 18, 2011 at 10:55 PM


Hell, we're better off with a bowl ban. If we PLAY the bowls with Clappy, kids might get hurt, and we'll still lose.

CGNC

cmac looks good not wearing the Titans jersey...I'm just sayin

CGNC

Goodnight all, I recommend the tinfoil hat while watching ESPN ;-D

solarcane


Ex-University of Miami athletic director ‘sick to my stomach’


.Former UM athletic director Kirby Hocutt, now at Texas Tech, said he has nothing to hide about the scandal that broke this week.
By Susan Miller Degnan
sdegnan@MiamiHerald.com

The past and present athletic directors at the University of Miami finally spoke this week — one saying he had “nothing to hide’’ and the other asserting that the university had “tough times ahead, challenges to overcome and serious decisions to be made,” but would be “left standing.”

Kirby Hocutt, who announced in February that he was leaving Miami for Texas Tech after a little more than three years, told reporters Thursday in Lubbock that convicted felon Nevin Shapiro “was a rogue booster, someone who was determined to go around the system.”

But what Hocutt didn’t say to Texas Tech during the interview process — or to UM football coach Al Golden when he hired him in December — is that Miami had contacted the NCAA in August 2010 to warn that Shapiro was making allegations of improprieties within the Hurricanes’ program.

“It wasn’t on my radar screen because seven months had elapsed from the allegations to the time that I came to Texas Tech, and there were no further allegations made or questions to come forward relating to this situation,” Hocutt told the Lubbock Avalanche-Journal on Wednesday. “It was accusations from a convicted felon that stole $930 million that was being made from jail. It wasn’t an active case. It wasn’t an open case.”

At what point, he was asked, did he become aware Shapiro was operating “outside the boundaries, so to speak?”

Said Hocutt: “[Tuesday,] about 5 o’clock when I read the [Yahoo! Sports] story.’’

Hocutt said he left for Texas Tech because he wanted to return to his home state, not because he was worried that the NCAA would come calling.

“I’m sick to my stomach about what is going on at Miami,” he told the Avalanche-Journal. “It’s frustrating and sad. I know they have good people and good young men in that program. … Compliance is a shared commitment, and we’re dealing with human beings and humans make mistakes, and when young people make mistakes, you learn from it, you get better and you move forward.”

Added Hocutt: “I have personally nothing to hide and nothing to be ashamed of.’’

The man who replaced Hocutt in April — Shawn Eichorst — issued a written statement released Thursday. “I know our family is hurting now and that is what has made the past few days so difficult, upsetting and disappointing for me, as I am sure it has been for many proud Canes,” he said. “But these are not times for pity and reflection. All my efforts and energy are committed to ensuring the integrity of the NCAA investigation, demanding the full cooperation of our employees and student-athletes and providing unwavering support. …

“…The community, the coaches, the student-athletes and the University have my unconditional support as we move towards a better day. And there will be a better day.’’

Across town, another athletic director who previously worked at UM was asked if he could shed light on Shapiro, a convicted Ponzi schemer. Asked if he knew Shapiro, FIU athletic director Pete Garcia said, “I’ll only talk about what’s happening at FIU.”

About 45 miles north in Boca Raton, FAU coach Howard Schnellenberger — who led the Hurricanes to their first national title in 1983 — acknowledged that he couldn’t help but pay attention to UM’s misery.

“It’s all-encompassing,” he said. “It’s all going to come down like a never-ending snowstorm.’’

Miami Herald sportswriters David J. Neal and Sandra Harwitt contributed to this report.

TLuv

Posted by: solarcane | August 19, 2011 at 12:01 AM

Just another adult covering his own a**

SOUP

wad ups soup?

Posted by: solarcane | August 18, 2011 at 10:54 PM

Lobsters up the Kazoodle! They are just about everywhere we went just south of Islamorada around the bridges. We got 12 today between me and my buddy Bill.

Hoping for 12 tomorrow morning at 7:30 AM and going to the Dolphins pre-season game tomorrow night at SLS at 7:30 PM.

How about a tailgate party with 12 fresh FL lobsters on da Grill? Yeah baby!

SOUP

Canechic...U have issues. That is all.

montanacane

Having a hard time getting the Duke lacrosse players out of my mind right now. I know the scenario is different, as are the consequences, but my earlier feelings of embarrassment and shame are turning more into rage and disgust at how these accusations are being portrayed nationally. I'm in Montana, after all.

orange 'n green in the vein

Has Yahoo substantiated their report with any evidence not circumstantial or derived solely from a pathological liar serving decades in incarceration for defrauding people yet or are they still taking his word for it because he says he bought drinks at a club a month before the actual date of the FSU game for UM's football team?

TLuv

GREAT article by Dave Zirin of The Nation

It's titled "Don't Give the Miami Hurricanes the Death Penalty: Give it to the NCAA"

http://www.thenation.com/blog/162841/dont-give-miami-hurricanes-death-penalty-give-it-ncaa?rel=emailNation

solarcane

This Weeks Top Ten Song Titles
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Everybody Hurts REM

How Long Has This Been Going On Ace

Back Stabbers The O'Jays

Bad Moon Rising CCR

Blinded By The Light Bruce Springsteen

Aint To Proud To Beg The Temptations

You Really Got Me The Kinks

Get up, Stand Up Bob Marley

A Hard Rains A-Gonna Fall Bob Dylan

It's a Family Affair Sly & The Family Stone

Texascane

and...The Waiting is the Hardest Part Tom Petty...

orange 'n green in the vein

solar, if there was ever a time for Lego Al Golden and Lego Randy Shannon to discuss incarcerated Lego ratface, it's now.

Sarasota 'cane

The more I read the less evidence I see inside of the statute of limitations. It appears that they do have solid evidence from 2003-2005 which is why I believe the NCAA is trying to invoke the "willful violations" clause. They cannot use it otherwise.
There have been two different coaches and two different AD's since then! ALL OF THE KID'S WHO HAVE LEFT UM HAVE BEEN CLEARED!! ALL OF THEM!! MAKE 'EM PROVE IT!!

Go 'canes!!

SOUP

Kirby Hocutt: "I’m sick to my stomach about what is going on at Miami. It’s frustrating and sad. I know they have good people and good young men in that program."

Added Hocutt: “I have personally nothing to hide and nothing to be ashamed of."

Please be telling the truth Kirby.

We will see U soon!

Sarasota 'cane

Post this on as many blogs as you can and keep posting it! Send it to Joe Rose, Dan Sileo, Michael Irvin etc. We need to take the media offensive on the the talk radio shows. I've sent this to Sileo and Rose's Twitter pages. Send this to any media personality you can think of! UM has to get in front of this by any means necessary! Promote the KNOWN facts tomorrow with extreme prejudice!!

http://allabouttheu.wordpress.com/2011/08/18/renegade-reporter-spells-out-litany-of-accusations-while-often-failing-to-substantiate-his-claims/

Go 'canes!

orange 'n green in the vein

Apologies to Zimmerman; Idiot Wind (for all the boosters serving 20 in federal prison):

Someone's got it in for me, they're planting stories in the press
Whoever it is I wish they'd cut it out quick but when they will I can only guess
They say I paid a quarterback named Gray and took his family to Italy
He got paid a million bucks and when he signed it came from me
I can't help it if I'm lucky.

People see me all the time and they just can't remember how to act
Their minds are filled with big ideas, images and distorted facts
Even you yesterday you had to ask me where it was at
I couldn't believe after all these years you didn't know even me better than that
Sweet NCAA.

Idiot wind blowing every time your move your mouth
Blowing down the back roads heading south
Idiot wind blowing every time you move your teeth
You're an idiot babe
It's a wonder that you still know how to breathe

I ran into the investigators who said beware of lightning that might strike
I haven't known peace and quit for so long I can't remember what it's like
There's a lone booster on the cross smoke pouring out of a boxcar door
You didn't know it you didn't think it could be done in the final end he won the wars
After losing every battle.

I woke up on the roadside daydreaming about the way things sometimes are
Visions of your crystal football shoot through my head and are making me see stars
You hurt the ones that I love best and cover up the truth with lies
One day you'll be in the ditch, flies buzzing around your eyes
Blood on your saddle.

Idiot wind blowing through the flowers on your tomb
Blowing through the curtains in your cell room
Idiot wind blowing every time you move your teeth
You're an idiot babe
It's a wonder that you still know how to breathe.

It was Coker which pulled us down and Shapiro which broke us apart
You paid the stripper on the stage but it just wasn't enough to change her heart
Now everything's a little upside down, as a matter of fact the wheels have stopped
What's good is bad what's bad is good you'll find out when you reach the top
You're on the bottom. I noticed at the ceremony, your corrupt ways had finally made you blind
I can't remember your face anymore, your mouth has changed your eyes don't look
Into mine
The AD wore black on the seventh day and sat stone faced while the
Building burned
I waited for you on the running boards, near the Palm trees while the
Springtime turned
Slowly into autumn.

Idiot wind blowing like a circle around my skull
From the Coconut Grove to Coral Gables
Idiot wind blowing every time you move you teeth
You're an idiot babe.
It's a wonder that you still know how to breathe.

I can't feel you anymore, I can't even touch the books you've read
Every time I crawl past your cell, I been wishing it was somebody else instead
Down the highway down the tracks down the road to the death penalty
I followed you beneath the stars hounded by your stolen monies
And all you raging glory.

I been double-crossed now for the very last time and now I'm finally free
I kissed goodbye the howling beast on the borderline which separated you from me
You'll never know the hurt I suffered nor the pain I raise above
And I'll never know the same about you, your devilishness or your kind of thug
And it makes me feel so sorry.

Idiot wind blowing through the buttons of our coats
Blowing through the texts that we wrote
Idiot wind blowing through the dust on our trophy shelves
We're idiots babe
It's a wonder we can even feed ourselves.

pre83

I am watching the rerun of tonight's Pats vs. Bucs preseason game.

It's nearly over, but a one Preston Parker just had a very nice play for the Bucs.

I wonder if he had his pic taken with Shapiro? He probably found the yacht of the SEC booster more appealing than Shapiro's.

pre83

Does anyone really care about the NCAA's "image".

I swear, if you conduct an legitimate poll, it would poll as "I don't give a rat's a$$ or worse than Congress'

Yet Cane Fandom sits and waits on pins and needles for the "Almighty's" ruling on the future of it's football and basketball programs.

And for what?...

Violations that occurred five or more years ago (I have to imagine that one of the reasons there is a "statute of limitations" here is due to the fact that you would be most certainly be punishing the innocent for the acts of those who are now far removed from the school, be they players, coaches or administrators)

Because of the fact that, well, haven't we all seen over and over again the absolutely sick behavior conducted by the U's players? I guess the more it is replayed over and over and over, the easier it is to believe.

Because the NCAA, based on these hideous acts, true or not, HAS TO make an example of a team to show that NOBODY can spit in the face of the Almighty NCAA. (Does anyone, anyone, REALLY know who these douche bags are anyway??)

I applaud Shannon for running a tight ship, should that prove out. However, his four years only proves that "complying" takes such an incredible amount of time that you can't just play football.

What a truly sad and ridiculous state of affairs is modern day NCAA Football!

pre83

I know it has been said a million times, but the way players are treated and viewed is sickening.

Those who say that they are treated fairly are the same ones who question if an 18 yr old is really mature enough to make such and such decision about their futures.

Well, if that is the belief, would it then not stand that it is nearly impossible for an 18/19 yr old to foresee the potential dangers that lie out there for legitimate reasons not to mention an NCAA rule book that is thicker than the playbook they have to know???

What is the worst to me is the fact that many of these same "mature" adults that criticize the young adults are the ones that are having to continually cover their own a$$es for the idiotic decisions they made, yet they are the ones giving the advice and doling out the punishment!!

Seriously, those same people who say that the young adults should not do things strictly for the money are the ones doing things strictly for the money!!

And they are the "adults"!

What a friggen' disaster!!

pre83

...and I did not even mention what an entire waste of resources this whole "investigation" is!

I know Shapiro is an expert at wasting other people's money, but apparently, the learned types don't really care too much either.

5 months already of investigations, over 100 hrs by some Yahoo! reporter clown, I am sure more than that by UM's admin dept.

And for what????

To review text msgs, time spent on some stupid yacht or home. Being paid is one thing, but even that is blown waaaaay out of proportion.

This is not even considering the reputation of many of these people accused.

For just one moment, pretend it was you "on trial" and being made a joke ALL OVER national and local media.

Honestly, WTF??

But no, we don't want to piss off the NCAA!

GTFOOH!! What a sh!tbag of an institution!!

And no, I was not one of those who was clapping that USC or OSU "got theirs". I found it difficult to believe Tressel had to go down for such petty "violations".

Is not a university one attends so as to receive a "higher" education? It's those who cheat on tests and giving players passing grades for never taking a test that should be the most severely punished.

Tatoos, yachts, shoes? Seriously, who gives a phuck?!

pre83

Sota - I loved that piece. He did more in a short amount of time that all of the networks and their cumulative resources put together!!

Yeah, the U simply has the worst type of players. Even those with the dirt on them - Hester, Vilma, Rolle - have conducted themselves very well in the NFL. They are not the Pacman Jones' of the world.

But don't wait for ESPN or Yahoo! Sports to tell U that!

TLuv

Seriously, those same people who say that the young adults should not do things strictly for the money are the ones doing things strictly for the money!!

And they are the "adults"!

What a friggen' disaster!!

Posted by: pre83 | August 19, 2011 at 02:21 AM

There IT is right there

IraqiCane

Sigh....is it time for Maryland yet?

GO CANES!!!

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