Miami Hurricanes Win The World Series!

Last night, not in Omaha but in the city of St. Louis, your Miami Hurricanes won the World Series.

Well, something like that.

Cardinals center fielder Jon Jay, a former UM baseball player and current Cardinal, played a major contributing role in his team's success this season and was on the field when Game 7 of the 2011 Major League Baseball championship series was decided.

Jay becomes the third former Hurricane to win Major League Baseball's championship in the last two years. Former UM players Pat Burrell and Aubrey Huff won the World Series last year with the Philadelphia Phillies.

Jay played under current UM head coach Jim Morris like other current MLB players such as Yonder Alonso, Ryan Braun and Gaby Sanchez (seen below at Center). Those Hurricane teams had some major star power!

Since 1973, the University of Miami's baseball program has been one of college baseball's elite with 23 College World Series appearances, winning four national championships (1982, 1985, 1999, 2001) and advancing to the NCAA regionals a record 39 consecutive years.

Along with the university's other athletic teams, the baseball team became a member of the Atlantic Coast Conference during the 2004–05 academic year. Miami won its first ever ACC championship in baseball when it captured the 2008 ACC Baseball Championship.

The Hurricanes play at Mark light Field at Alex Rodriguez Park, on the UM campus. Since 1994, the team has been under the leadership of head coach Jim Morris who led Miami to two National Championships in 1999 and 2001.

Jay was drafted by the Cardinals out of the University of Miami in the second round (74th overall) of the 2006 MLB Draft. A Miami native, he played high school baseball at Christopher Columbus Senior High School in Miami, Florida, where he won the state championship his senior year.

At Miami, Jay was a dominant college baseball player. Here is part of his bio from his days as a Hurricane courtesy of www.hurricanesports.com:

Jon Jay enters the 2006 season as one of the country's elite outfielders ... named the 2006 Brooks Wallace Award Preseason Watch list along with teammate Chris Perez ... preseason second team All-American by Baseball America, Louisville Slugger and the NCBWA ... spent the 2005 summer on the USA National Team with Perez, where he hit .262 and led the team with 15 runs scored as the team's leadoff hitter ... also led Team USA in stolen bases with ... First Team All-ACC selection as a sophomore and also a Louisville Slugger Third Team All-America ... led the team in hitting (.408) and on-base percentage (.490) ... posted two 17-game hitting streaks and the seventh-highest single-season batting average in UM history ... holds a career .387 batting average that ranks him fourth all-time at Miami ... solid all-around player with good speed and an accurate arm ... will play in center field after playing left field his first two seasons ... made an immediate impact in the Miami outfield and across the nation as a freshman ... earned freshman All-America honors from Baseball America and Collegiate Baseball after hitting .368 with six home runs and 56 RBI ... hits to all fields with excellent power to the opposite field ... a slick fielding outfielder with good range, quick breaks on the ball and an above average arm ... his play in the 2004 College World Series earned him All-Tournament honors ... rated the No. 3 prospect in the Valley Summer League by Baseball America ... a candidate for All-America and All-ACC honors in 2005.

Jay made his Major League debut on April 26, 2010. On July 27, 2011 starting center fielder Colby Rasmus was traded to the Toronto Blue Jays. Jay then took over for the recently traded Rasmus in center field.

In 2011, Jay was critical to St. Louis' success as he played in more games than any other Cardinal this season. His batting average hovered around the .300 mark for most of the season as he contributed 10 home runs, 37 RBI and 6 stolen bases to the Cardinals' offense this season.

Canespace wishes to congratulate Jay and his Cardinal teammates for winning the MLB World Series!

GO CANES, GO CARDS!!!

Comments

[Sarasota 'cane]

1st!!

[TonyCane]

Canechic, agreed with your post on the previous blog. We'll lose most of our top talent after this season. Shannon's 2009 and 2010 classes were not as strong as the 2008 class, which forms the core of the starting roster. Golden will have to recruit hard and well this year. In a best case scenario, we will probably replicate this year's record. Barring sanctions, we can probably only hope for a repeat of Shannon's record in 2008 when he started mostly freshmen. It will be at least three years before we contend.

[pbcfrcane13]

Ah Duke giving VT a game! When will this turn around! Randy went 5-7 his first season with a senior QB that was over hyped in his career in KW looks a lot like the same season

[Hermosa Cane]

How is Robert Marve sooooo bad????

[longtimecanfan]

Thought the same thing. After this years seniors and decent juniors have moved on we'll have very little left. The 2009 and 2010 draft classes looks like busts at this point. AG's gonna need 2-3 years just to reload let alone rebuild with any depth.

Looks like RS left the cupboard bare.....

[pbcfrcane13]

Next years roster to me looks better then his year IMO because of experiacne by young players. Also I dont really see aybody leaving early because most of there draft stocks has dropped bad

QB: Morris or Williams:I believe it will be William winning the job and we will a get lot of what we got this year from Harris

RB: Miller, Jame, Clements: Miller does not come out this year due to his second half.

FB: Same

WR: Streeter(wont leave can be first one pick with another year like this) Hurns, Dorsett, KThompkins, Scott: This to me will be better with experiace by all the WR losing TB hurt, but Street can take over as our deep threat as we have seen.

TE: Walford, Cleveland, White(may be missing somebody):Be better again just more experiance and Chase being out helps lol J/P

RT: Felciano: Be better
RG: Washington: Be better
C: Mcdermott: Lose experiance
LG: Linder: more eperiance
LT Henderson: Be better healthy

[WindyCane-Forecast1]

Only 5 ACC teams have won with 21 of fewer points.

VT beat ECU 17-10.
Duke beat BC 20-19
UVA beat Idaho 21-20
GT beat MD 21-16
UNC beat Lousiville 14-7

http://www.theacc.com/sports/m-footbl/sched/acc-m-footbl-sched-full.html

Posted by: SOUP | October 29, 2011 at 10:59 AM

Thanks Soup. So that means you have about a 7% chance of winning when you score 21 points or less.

"Winning isn't everything, but the will to win is everything."
-Vince Lombardi

Go Canes!

[pbcfrcane13]

On d looks like this again this is no freshman coming in

DE: Chickl/Vernon: WOW better
DT: Porter, Forsten, Smith, Ojomo,Robison: Better
OLD: Perryman, Rbuc, Paul: Better then Futch but lose a lot with spence of course
MLB: Gaines/Cain: Pretty much the same this year
DB: Mcgee(AH i mean he cant get worse can he) Finnie, Crawford, Tyrone: Still stink

Safety: Ray Ray and Rodgers or Highsmith: Will lose here wth JojO being out.

Again Nexy year to me looks a lot better with freshman playing taking licks this year and the fact we get VT, FSU, UNC all at home. Again in the end WHO THE HECK KNOWS LOL

[orange 'n green in the vein]

Totally TL;DR, so sue me.

Boy did I make the right choice of where to spend the entertainment dollar this week because, except for the opener of Buckcherry (like a bad combination of Motely Crue and Nickleback's worse aspects as a band), three hours of Axl Rose and his hired band of mercenaries in loge seating in front of a crowd commensurate to the old UM basketball games under Hamilton in the late 90's at the arena (just over half full, boisterous but also a lot of go home early wusses) was fantastic! The biggest surprise of the night (other than me drinking the last five beers left from the GT game in less than an hour and not falling down) was no Welcome to the Jungle as the opener instead being slotted behind Chinese Democracy and not hearing My Michelle, Think About You, You're Crazy and Anything Goes from Appetite which are all top flight live rock songs but understandable as to being left off as they're pushing the new stuff on Democracy's tour to sell more records.

In between Dizzy Reed did Teenage Wasteland solo on the the piano, DJ Ashba solo the theme from Bond, "Bumblefoot" Thal put away the twelve string double bridge guitar long enough to solo the Pink Panther theme and everybody joined in on Another Brick in the Wall and Whole Lot of Rosie covers. The show was kind of light on Illusion stuff with only You Could Be Mine, Knocking on Heaven's Door, Live and Let Die, November Rain, Estranged and Don't Cry in the set. The rest of the show was of Democracy with Better, Street of Dreams, Sorry, This I Love (greatest power ballad every written now that I've seen it live and it was way better than on the album) and Madagascar the first of three songs for the encore. Patience and Paradise City closed it out and the best part was, not a single sighting of a poorly timed situational blitz call on defense all night!

Just kidding, kind of, no the best part was that I came away not missing Slash, which is weird because he's the icon but I really believe that these new songs wouldn't sound as good with Slash playing them, I'm not sure he's got the chops to fill Ashba's bowler hat from a technical standpoint anymore and I say that as a huge Saul Hudson mark. Sweet Child of Mine doesn't get the same pop without the cigarette and the hair holding the guitar for the opening riff but it doesn't sound worse off for the loss which is about a big a compliment you can pay the new guy. I have the entire show on digital camera except for three cuts, one during You Could Be Mine, two during Patience.

Anyway back to our regularly scheduled programming of Hurricane fans sticking their head in the ground while saying there's no talent on defense while Al Golden slides farther under a .500% winning percentage as a head coach, although for a Whopper or two, homecoming might not be a loss but it also might actually be a 10 plus point win so buy the burgers, get the tickets, throw the burgers away (or give them to the homeless), then go home and make yourself one with less salt and lower fat in the ground beef, it'll be a good investment at that price, especially if you can move down or at least over to the 50.

[orange 'n green in the vein]

"HOPE THEY DONT ASK EVERYONE TO WEAR TIES TO THE NEXT GAME.THERE WILL BE ALOT OF HANGINGS IN THE BATHROOM IF WE CANT BEAT DUKE!!!! Posted by: canezilla | October 28, 2011 at 11:18 PM"

LMFAO! You just provided the third biggest highlight of the Al Golden era at UM to date for me 'zilla, well done my good sir!

[CGNC]

OGV sounds like the concert was loaded with some talent - I like DJ Ashba - I think he worked with Nikki Sixx on his Beautiful Life song

[CGNC]

Pellini has the Huskers playing pretty solid football

[pbcfrcane13]

I stil dont see how you but the blame on AG here. I have no clue if he is good coach or not he never got to coach with talent. UVA and Temple? YOu can say we hve talent all day here, but two coaches and the same resluts...so maybe the players need to take some blame. A coach can only do some much in the end the players need to make plays.

I know you dont like AG as a coach, but I think your wrong to sit here and blame him for this season. Did you blame RS for the 5-7 season and he had less crap to deal with like the NCAA suspensions.

[canechic]

Not a fan at all of any late 80's or 90's hair bands. Classic Rock and Grunge is more my speed for my type of rock....screaming into a microphone does absolutely nothing for me.

Glad you had fun OGV...Was the show at Amway?

I don't think you are watching the Duke/VT game cuz Duke is not a gimmie.....This QB has potential and that is all the cane defense needs to see to make him a superstar!!!

[canechic]

pb he may be good, he may be not....if he takes the canes to the NC awesome...I am okay with just an ACC champ....I think quit a bit remains to be seen but he was out coached on Thursday that is for sure and that was not the first game.

I think the reason most Cane fans question him is because they all thought with SR talent he would win right away....he really is the second choice....Gruden was all but signed and Donna is the reason he did not sign....

I think if they did not believe Gruden was pretty much sealed they would have not fired RS until this year.

So most people expected much more than what they are getting, they thought RS was the only problem and the cane nation would be fine with a new coach. The athletic culture at Miami is very weak right now and I think the new AD is pretty weak...I said 3 years and now I am more a 4 and 5 year thought to a maybe nothing better than 9 wins for 10 years thought..we will see.

[Sarasota 'cane]

Again Nexy year to me looks a lot better with freshman playing taking licks this year and the fact we get VT, FSU, UNC all at home. Again in the end WHO THE HECK KNOWS LOL

Posted by: pbcfrcane13 | October 29, 2011 at 02:15 PM

You never know, that's why you play the games! I do know that if we keep our coaching tree intact we can improve over this season. There is a different vibe in Coral Gables since Shannon & Co. were let go. I wouldn't call it a "swagger", but the kid's are starting to buy in to the new system. They are excited and they are finally being coached up.
As I said yesterday, if you can't see improvement with the coaching, offense and special teams then you're not looking hard enough. Add in the Shapiro garbage and these coaches have done as well as any staff in the country as a first year unit. If we can keep Golden through the sanction years then I think we will have turned the corner.

Go 'canes!

[canechic]

quite^

[orange 'n green in the vein]

pbc, yes I blamed Shannon for making the wrong promotion but he upgraded with Young in year 2 and got a great jump on the rebuilding job.

Golden's college buddy has the worst feel for calling a defensive game as I have seen in a long time. Simply atrocious strategy. Shannon had two laughably bad QB's to work with, Golden has one of the best to suit up at UM and a backup his cheerleaders can't stop raving about while he's way too unready for prime-time. This was the year to win big having built the team back up and he isn't even in the ballpark for that. For a seasoned coach he's coaching like a Special K hire to this point. Let's not get started on the lack of depth that is being artificially created by roster moves and runoffs that so far have netted him a bust of a TE to party with $neaky's kid who never saw the field and a serviceable, if chubby, DT, in return. His credentials, as they are, are as a builder but this wasn't a rebuilding job hire and now if he's going to do anything it's going to be way down the road, because that's what builders are good for. Maybe he'll get back to the Peach Bowl so we won't score in the 2nd half against an SEC team in about four years? Can't wait.

[Q]

They need to extend Golden asap

[dj moonbat]

If we can keep Golden through the sanction years then I think we will have turned the corner.

Go 'canes!

Posted by: Sarasota 'cane | October 29, 2011 at 02:42 PM

I'd say that's pretty unlikely.

[canechic]

I did not expect much but I never would dream 4 loses at this point...maybe 3 and only because of suspensions.

But like Mike Bianchi said on Friday...what a sad day when FSU has to worry about playing VA, NCSTATE, along with Miami. I don't agree much with Bianchi but I agree it speaks volumes when these powerhouse teams have to worry about the bottom feeders.

[orange 'n green in the vein]

Yes canechic, Amway Arena, the house legal ponzi scheme money built! Very nice bathrooms, the only miss of the night was not hitting them for the 2nd time while Buckcherry was bucking it up and getting caught three deep in line right after then finished their opening set. Those two banners for the Eastern Conference championships 13 years apart look kind of sad though when I think about the type of teams they've had. What kind of franchise drafts Shaq first overall (and Webber 1st overall the next year!) and then gets him to hang the championship banner in the rafters 10 counties away in state in their rivals arena? Talk about a Magic trick!

[canechic]

LOL....OGV and that is why I cannot root for the Magic. I have not had a reason to go inside the arena yet.

Buckcherry is all kinds of awful.

[dj moonbat]

They need to extend Golden asap

Posted by: Q | October 29, 2011 at 02:51 PM

The man already said he thought the U administration owed him a duty to disclose the NCAA investigation, which they did not do. The only reason he's not already gone is that it was too late in the offseason for him to solidify any offers. That guy's not extending crap.

[mi@mic@ne]

Weve had some terrible scheduling... we do not need to play top 20 teams every week. Look at the out of conference schedule the SEC teams have. Its a joke. We do not need any good teams outside of playing in the ACC. The schedule this yr was ridiculous. The Canes lost because they had a short week to prepare and the guys needed rest after two grueling games. Even in the NC yrs we had the good teams twice a yr. We want to play for the championship but we dont want to create trouble and lose either.

[canechic]

Seriously and what kind of fool would sign a new contract with all that stuff pending....that deserves a child pleaze!

[TonyCane]

Orange 'n Green, don't think that Golden is that bad. Not sure on the DC, but I think Al is the real deal and will be a far better coach and program builder than Shannon or Coker.

Coker was a good coach but terrible recruiter. He got outfoxed on National Signing Day by people running the gammut of Bobby Bowden to Syracuse's HC. The result was 2 QBs and 3 WRs recruited over a four year span, forcing Coker to have to convert cornerbacks and punters to wide receivers. This overall talent drain lead to his downfall.

Shannon was a great disciplinarian who served to counter some of the excesses at the end of the Coker era and put together a strong initial recruiting class. But constant turnover at OC and DC made followup recruiting difficult and hurt the development of his players. And his stoic nature seemed to rub off on the players. The scene on Thursday night, with the players jumping up and down at the beginning of the 4th quarter, never happened during Randy's tenure.

Golden, like the Cylons of BSG, appears to have a plan of which we are in the early stages of executing. Ask yourselves this...if Shannon was still in charge, if Whipple was still here what would our record be now?

[TonyCane]

Orange-and-green, I wish Buckethead had not left the band. I recall reading once that despite building a chicken coop in the studio for him, despite taking him on a trip to Disneyland(!), Buckethead was just too eccentric to work with. He is a great guitar player though with a funny gimmick.

[orange 'n green in the vein]

canechic, Axl having the red Hulk Hogan mustache was worth the price of admission for me, IMO he's carrying the Rock and Roll torch (pretty sure he stole it from the Stones during Steel Wheels, but they might have relinquished it on their own volition back then) for this generation, anything to keep the Bieber and the Gaghag from completely destroying the American spirit.

dj, his wife loves Miami. His parents have been married for decades. Maybe she gets the veto on the offers? Another coaching change after such an ill advised on mid-rebuild might just finally set this program off the rails for good.

Or, we could land Mike Leach a year too late . . . !

[SOUP]

HOW ABOUT THAT JON JAY?

[TonyCane]

DJMoonbat, one question I've never heard answered is when Al Golden did find out about the investigation. I seriously, seriously doubt that the first time that he heard of it was August. At best, he should have discovered it a few weeks after signing. Heck, most of us knew about Shapiro's story before Golden's signing. It was written about in the Sun Sentinel a year ago.

[canechic]

That is true OGV this generation of music stinks not all but the pop crap is crap! I am not a fan of new hip hop, everything is a remix..I only listen to pandora or my own music....very rarely listen to music on the radio.

[dj moonbat]

dj, his wife loves Miami. His parents have been married for decades. Maybe she gets the veto on the offers? Another coaching change after such an ill advised on mid-rebuild might just finally set this program off the rails for good.

Or, we could land Mike Leach a year too late . . . !

Posted by: orange 'n green in the vein | October 29, 2011 at 03:05 PM

I felt pretty confident predicting that Butch would bring Miami back to the top. This time, though, I'm pretty sure Miami's out of the hunt for any national championships indefinitely. There's just not much left to build on.

[canechic]

Yay Jon Jay! (did not watch but yay)

[canechic]

And the ducks have already scored.

8 to 0 ducks!!

[pbcfrcane13]

I mean people keep saying we should have won this year with all senior talent? Maybe they are not that good....this is another coach and same results when do we blame the playes? Thats all im wondering?

BTW Duke is holding this VT O in check....to me that shows two things one ho bad our D is and how bad the D play calling is

Also im with you not thrilled with the way Coach D has called games but I get hes workng with secondary Im pretty sure he doesnt trust at all also he is a 3-4 guy....so we wont know what he will do with UM "talent" till year 3 and they play a 3-4

[CGNC]

Seriously and what kind of fool would sign a new contract with all that stuff pending....that deserves a child pleaze!

Posted by: canechic | October 29, 2011 at 03:01 PM

Or a "come on Man!"

[canechic]

LOL CGNC!!!

[CGNC]

CC sent you an email and let me apologize up front if I forgot to resize some of the pics - they were taken with Heather's camera and she doesn't reduce the size on the camera - I have to do it on the computer

[Canechic]

Ok I will check now!

[orange 'n green in the vein]

Posted by: mi@mic@ne | October 29, 2011 at 02:59 PM

Wow, that's nothing but excuses. Like, there's not even an explanation, just excuses. Change your avatar before doing that kind of thing again mi@!

TC, Buckethead. LOL. He wears a bucket. LMAO! It's a little on the nose but still pretty funny. As for Golden, I've said all along, guy has a lot to learn as a head coach IMO and that's what we're seeing this year, a continuation of what was troubling in the MAC, more experienced coaches take it to him schematic and strategically, D'No calls passive games that struggle to stop the same play over and over again, he runs his star RB into the ground and then gets upset by teams they should beat once he's nicked up. The list can go on. I don't spend a lot of time listening to interviews for a lot of reasons, not really interested or entertained by them being major ones, but mostly because all that talk is irrelevant, it's the end result on the scoreboard that counts. Right now, UM is ending up on the wrong side of that equation way too often to inferior teams and that starts at the top.

[mi@mic@ne]

Excuses?.. your comparing the team that won in the big easy with what Golden has to face in the acc? The joke is you bro.. lol.

[Canechic]

Sorry guys the ACC is a very weak conference....

[Canechic]

CGNC just awesome pictures!!!!! :)

[mi@mic@ne]

Comparing pre 2000 college ball with the current complicated offenses and the kind of speed difference is like comparing the 1967 packers with any of the current NFL teams. The game is completely different. All the conference teams now have speed and they actually pass the ball very well unlike back in the day.

[Canechic]

True college football is different but ACC is still very weak!

[Sarasota 'cane]

Welcome to "Duckspace" with you head quack 86Duck!

Go Ducks!!

[pbcfrcane13]

OGV im with you he has made mistakes but to say everything is an excuse is not fair. The guy gets a lo f his best plaers taken away for a game two of his best D players for more then 4 games..... I mean you say what his record is but he took over a temple team that was HORRIBLE!!! What was his record when he got his own players who were playing and or were able to get his system full istalled. I never count what a coach does on the first year and at school like temple or some time programs that are horrible the coach needs more then one year to turn it around

[mi@mic@ne]

The days of domination are over. Any of the acc matchups could go either way on any given game day. just look at lowly duke giving VT fits.

[pbcfrcane13]

The ACC is and needs UM and FSU to become UM FSU sooner then later and or keep clemson rolling! The acc looks really bad lol

[dj moonbat]

The days of domination are over. Any of the acc matchups could go either way on any given game day. just look at lowly duke giving VT fits.

Posted by: mi@mic@ne | October 29, 2011 at 03:37 PM

Maybe UM's days of domination are over, but there are still programs that from year to year have a chance of fielding a genuinely dominant team. LSU and Alabama come to mind, and until fairly recently, the same could have been said about USC.

The reason MIami doesn't dominate the ACC is that Miami is a shadow of its former self -- NOT that the ACC is just playing kickass football.

[orange 'n green in the vein]

mi@, Spurrier was lighting up the SEC in the 90's. Stoops took a spread to OU in 2000. You're about a decade too late to make that claim. ACC is a good defensive conference, but there's like one team (the ultimate underachiever BTW) that's having a good season this year, everybody else is marginal. Stopping a spread is just about as intricate as stopping a triple option, you just have to deploy different tactics effectively to do so. You're full of the excuses today for D'No's failure this year, are you taking this to Tha Skreetz today at practice, what's up?

[USAFCane]

I've been around the boardsince it's inception and every year the comments begin to mimic years earlier. Team performance is the same so I guess it makes sense but we're "Swasey has to go" time and "our schedule is too tough" while bragging early season how we fear no one and will play anyone. Oh well.

AG will get this right, some patience is needed.

[mi@mic@ne]

Teams do not dominate over a ten yr span like the Canes did in the 80s.. but they go through rebuilding cycles. The first team that established itself as having 3 deep at each position was the Bear ... now everyone builds a program as if it was a professional franchise. Unfortunately we did not have discipline to recruit for each position. Thats why i think Al will be successful in miami. He is very detailed oriented.

[Sarasota 'cane]

AG will get this right, some patience is needed.

Posted by: USAFCane | October 29, 2011 at 03:44 PM

The voice of reason??? On Duckspace?

Go Ducks!!

[orange 'n green in the vein]

pbc, his record was he never beat a MAC team with a winning in conference record, his recruits or Bobby Wallace's. He also underachieved all three years on his way out from preseason expectations. That's his legacy at Temple. Now if for some reason, not scoring in the 2nd half with a team from Philly against a team from LA in Washington DC in December that finished 7-6 with the win is a promising legacy to reflect on, maybe we have different measures of success for a coach. Obviously Special K and I have different definitions of the word, "relevancy."

dj, really? No hope at all? Damn man, you're killing my GNR high! Where's my digital cameras?

[mi@mic@ne]

We dominated in the early 90s.. and then after the probation yrs under Butch. But we were in the big easy back then too. lol. Look its not the same.. there is a whole lot more money involved now. College ball is not a head coach show any more. Its become a science. Almost like the early days of pro football. Even the conferences have that pro football mentality because of the difficulty of playing someone who is familiar with your style.

[dj moonbat]

Teams do not dominate over a ten yr span like the Canes did in the 80s.. but they go through rebuilding cycles. The first team that established itself as having 3 deep at each position was the Bear ... now everyone builds a program as if it was a professional franchise. Unfortunately we did not have discipline to recruit for each position. Thats why i think Al will be successful in miami. He is very detailed oriented.

Posted by: mi@mic@ne | October 29, 2011 at 03:48 PM

"[E]veryone builds a program as if it was a professional franchise."

This is just not even close to true. This statement could apply to (at most) a handful of college football teams.

Miami in the last few years is losing FREQUENTLY to unranked, mediocre competition. I don't care how much the game has progressed. Any of the high-quality Miami teams of yesteryear would not simply have beaten these teams, but eaten them alive.

[mi@mic@ne]

thats just crazy...most of the qbs in the 80s were running qbs. The receivers average height was about 6 ft lol. There were no olinemen who weighed over 270 ... thats just a crazy statement

[mi@mic@ne]

I will say this tho.. even tho the physical part of the game has grown beyond belief the old guys played a lot more football over their life time than these kids do by the time they get to the U. Its obvious with all the inconsistency that its not as natural.

[mi@mic@ne]

I grew up playing football daily all yr round... lol..

[Willie Will in Nashville]

Seriously and what kind of fool would sign a new contract with all that stuff pending....that deserves a child pleaze!

Posted by: canechic | October 29, 2011 at 03:01 PM

Or a "come on Man!"

Posted by: CGNC | October 29, 2011 at 03:18 PM

Money talks!!!

[pbcfrcane13]

Not saying what he did at temple makes him a good coach or bad coach I don't know.

But hre is a reason why temple one got kicked out of the big east and two well are temple lol....all Im saying is we don't know anything about him as a coach and just to say scoreboard is the only thing that matters well yes, but there are other factors that come into play to winning and losing thats all im saying

IMO its not that black and white

[dj moonbat]

thats just crazy...most of the qbs in the 80s were running qbs. The receivers average height was about 6 ft lol. There were no olinemen who weighed over 270 ... thats just a crazy statement

Posted by: mi@mic@ne | October 29, 2011 at 03:59 PM

"Running QBs"? Whuh? Which ones?

And really, having tall wideouts just isn't as big a deal as you're making it out to be. (See, e.g., Santana Moss, Roscoe Parrish, Kevin Williams, etc.)

It took me all of one second to think of an OL over 270: Leon Searcy. I'm sure there were others.

Stop making excuses: the U right now just Is. Not. Very. Good.

[Willie Will in Nashville]

My question is????

What's Al G doing to make other programs want him right now?

[USAFCane]

on another note based on his performance this year, does JH get drafted? If so where?

I say yes, 5-6 round.

[pbcfrcane13]

I will also say this I know it doesnt matter but man this seaon home games have been fun!!! So has every lost they hurt and sting and make you want to cry, but this is why I love saturdays!

I mean MD comes down to the last possesion!

Kstate: WOW!

VT! 4th and 1 to win and then still ahve change wow

UVA: Streeter has the tying td bounce off his shoulder pads!
Hey man its been fun to suck this year! lol

[mi@mic@ne]

Two things make a good coach.. of which JJ was at the top as an example of what i am saying... a guy who understands the importance of practicing like we play and a good game day coach who makes the rite decisions ..especially in crunch time. I know Al can build a program but is he a good game day coach?

[mi@mic@ne]

When he gets his playas in here we shall see.

[pbcfrcane13]

Also wathing FSU WOW thats D are LB would be playing safefy for them! We are so undersized at the spot.

[mi@mic@ne]

ask any body who was around in the 80s and 90 and they will tell you the guys were not as big and strong as they are now.. and there was not as much overall speed in the league as there is now. Shoot the Canes way of doing things in the 80s is implemented as normal in all the programs.

[Canechic]

Miami I think you forget the steroid era!!!

[orange 'n green in the vein]

mi@, Houston's run and shoot, that's your demarcation line and it's before you're claiming this incredible offensive revolution changed the game.

dj, I'm starting not to follow his point here. He's saying the game has changed so UM can't rely on what it did to dominate during the last 20 years (which doesn't even take into account how they revolutionized the college game on defense in the 80's and Schnell's pro style attack being the real genesis of the modern ball)? So if we don't build a fast disrupting defense and a balanced pro style offense UM can't win if not in the Big East because the ACC is so tough? LMAO at that if that's his point because I would contend exactly the opposite and tell you WHEN UM does that, not only will they win another national title in the ACC, they'll win going away, as in, "decide when to take the foot off the accelerator in the title game," type of deal.

[orange 'n green in the vein]

"What's Al G doing to make other programs want him right now?

Posted by: Willie Will in Nashville | October 29, 2011 at 04:10 PM"

Exactly! Extension my rear end. Try extending your coaching record above .500% and we'll think about talking.

[mi@mic@ne]

ive been reading your negative post about Al and some of the stuff you compare it to isnt really a good comparative. I will tell you this... i think Butch is a much better d coach than D. Weve had the best d coaches in college ball come through miami. JJ was a dline coach.. and it was the best d lines weve ever had at the u. But at the same time we are playing a more versatile attack then what we played against back then.
Most of the teams were predominately running teams. Now there are spreads.. options...new schemes taken from all spreads.. adjustments for the weakness of the defense. etc.

[mi@mic@ne]

look at what KSU is doing against the best college team .. with a lot of seniors who was suppose to be in the bcs championship...

[Sarasota 'cane]

Exactly Miami, I'm watching the same QB that we had trouble containing tear up one of the best defense's in the country. Time takes time.

Go 'canes!

[mi@mic@ne]

And we did pretty good at containing their d.. was an inch from a win...

We just need to establish some depth and start winning the close ones winning will happen.

[mi@mic@ne]

their o

[orange 'n green in the vein]

398 yards and over 200 yards on the ground isn't a good job containing KSU's O mi@, don't know how to break it to you.

[mi@mic@ne]

i meant in comparison to what they are doing to a team that has been in the top ten for as long as we have been out of it.. lol.
But they have a very good offense.. its obviously hard to contain.

[mi@mic@ne]

i really believe that we can play a schedule where without all of the systematic problems taken care of .. that we are not the same team after 3 tough opponents as we were when we started the season... teams get physically beaten up.

[TonyCane]

There are a lot of factors at work in ACC parity and Miami/FSU not being what they were.

Miami needs stability at the head coaching position. Having three coaches in five seasons is not going to lead to a NC. Miami will not be dominant unless Al Golden stays here for at least five seasons.

North Carolina was in the process of building into a BCS caliber team, but the NCAA violations and Butch Davis' dismissal ended that.

Virginia Tech is what they have always been, good enough to win 10 games a year but lacking a superlative Michael Vick/Vince Young type recruit never a NC contender.

Georgia Tech has a wonderful gimmick offense that does well against out of conference opponents, but bogs down against ACC members who have seen it year after year.

Florida State is recovering from a decade of slow decay under Bowden and will be a BCS regular soon. If Fischer were to be let go and another coach brought in, they would be set back just like Miami has been.

Remember that each time a school fires a coach and brings in a new HC, as Miami did in 2006 and 2010, they basically lose a recruiting class. The new HC has to scramble to sign a bare minimum of players. So the Hurricanes as a program have two thwarted recruiting years in the last five.

[4-Real]

Baleeve it or not, I actually agree with OGV! Guarantee ain't nobody rangin Al & da boyz phones off da hook 2 offer em another gig! None of em!!!

[mi@mic@ne]

Im amazed how much Al is getting out of the true freshman.. thats a good sign of things to come.. they are coaching up big time

[canezilla]

DO THE CANES PLAY TONIGHT?

[orange 'n green in the vein]

TC, that barely scrapped together recruiting class in '07 was UM's best draft class (even subtracting Brandon Harris) in about four years and produced a record breaking WR.

There's the crux of this coaching change, you get rid of a coach who's best asset was the most important for a college coach, recruiting, for an unproven at best replacement in that department (cue, "Darius Smith!" chorus now like Golden put anybody relevant into the NFL before getting a 1st round on his resume like one compares to the list Shannon oversaw at UM). Is Golden going to close like Shannon could? We'll see but that's the only way this thing is getting straightened out in three years now because it doesn't look like he's going to out-coach his competition on game days to earlier championship results. Like I said earlier, can't wait.

So far, outside of 3G (who was signing with UM even if Sebastian the Ibis was coaching), I like what Perryman has shown in a limited role, Paul could be a player too in time. That's maybe three solid starters, which means Golden needs two more to emerge from the true freshman (Botts? Should we count him as one or 1/2?) to consider the class a success as he gets four or five more the next year and year after that on down the line to be on schedule for 2013 assuming no injuries.

[Canechic]

Tony you are right that is why having Randy one more yard would have been better.....then get the guy you really want....i am telling Golden was second choice...we will see how it all works in the end!

[Canechic]

Year!

[Canechic]

And not to mention Kirby hired him!

But he sure is handsome!!!

[2002nemo]

U're not TOUGH enough
U're not STRONG enough

Hey, Coach Golden, are players skipping breakfast again?
Or did they just forget to flip the switch?

[canechic]

....

[TonyCane]

Orange-n-green...as for closing how strong were the 2009 and 2010 classes? And the 2011 class, he had 6 players committed going into the fall 2010 season. Compare that to Mack Brown. Out here in Austin, that man closes. He has 20 recruits committed in APRIL. His recruiting is done. He doesn't have to wait until February to close on over half of his class.

And how was it that Sam Shields could play a year on defense at UM, reach the NFL and not know how to read defensive plays? Or that Tommy Streeter could sit on the bench for three years while lodged in the catacombs beneath Shannon's doghouse?

[canechic]

And how was it that Sam Shields could play a year on defense at UM, reach the NFL and not know how to read defensive plays? Or that Tommy Streeter could sit on the bench for three years while lodged in the catacombs beneath Shannon's doghouse?

Posted by: TonyCane | October 29, 2011 at 06:04 PM

First off if it was not for Randy Sam Shields would have been kicked off the team. Devin had the same issues!.....maybe Streeter did some bad stuff?? and he when he did get in the game he made mistake after mistake....Regis is sitting and he was one of the best players on Defense in the last couple of games....everyone on here defending Golden for that decision.

[pbcfrcane13]

I mean really we are killng a coach in his first season lol when he hasn't had his time at full stregnth till what last week!

Man you guys are a tough and some unrealistic crowd. Also you talk about how Shannon class got drafted well shouldnt that hurt him as a coach more then help him? They are NFL talent but cant play in college btw....Hankerso hasnt played in one game this year and Harris has barely done anything.....for pumping up those draft picks

[pbcfrcane13]

and I was a huge Randy supporter so im not asying all this because i hate Randy. I did nothing but defend him.

Im just saying to sit here at 4-4 and a coach who coached at temple is a bad coach is a joke.....really cause he "under achieved at temple" LMAO really is that possible why cause "experts" of a mag says he was supposed to be better get out of here with that stuff!!

Kstate sucks per the experts....FSU isa top 10 team per the experts...yea cause they are always right

[canechic]

I hope he does good but he is not as perfect a fit as everyone thinks. He will have to get his kids his players and that will take time. But many a blogger said he could make miracles and the team was so talented and all it would take was a competent coach. Some did not agree with the pick, so we will see what happens....no one has a crystal ball...have to wait this one out.

[8th Man in the Box]

my post must be going into a black hole this evening..

I thought this was pretty good; put things in perspective

http://blog.allcanes.com/u-either-believe-in-the-process-or-u-dont

[canechic]

By the way Sarasota my son texted me from Autzen and said YEEELLLL OOOOOOOOO!

[dj moonbat]

I mean really we are killng a coach in his first season lol when he hasn't had his time at full stregnth till what last week!

Posted by: pbcfrcane13 | October 29, 2011 at 06:19 PM

I call bullshit. The U fired Shannon because he wasn't able to produce quickly. That move only makes sense if we expect The New Guy to produce quickly.

Frankly, I can't look at a single UM win this season and say to myself "there's no way Shannon could have won that game." (OSU's QBs were so bad, there's no way Shannon could have lost that game).

And I don't see any way Shannon loses to Maryland. Even with the suspensions.