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November 20, 2011

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CaneRock

1ST!!!
AND WHAT!!!
CAN YA' SMELL THAT!!!

8th Man in the Box

completely behind the administration decision to skip the bowl. Its the upper classmen actions that led to this, therefore its them that should suffer for it. I think we definitely could use the extra 15 bowl practices, but its incoming classes that should be given priority.

Texascane

It always amazes me that this group gets more angry after a win than after a loss...just go back and look at the posts after VT,Virginia...even Maryland...

They played a close game and finally won one...maybe a 38-35 loss at VT is better than a win...after all we scored a bunch...

Texascane

No bowl game...at least now no one will have to bitch in December...

Montreal-Cane

Will it be the last game of Al Golden at Miami on friday?

I hope not!

Texascane

They should have suspended the 12 players for the bowl, given the bowl money to a charity and then played the game and dared the NCAA to punish them for it...

SOUP

CORAL GABLES, Fla. -- The University of Miami has made the decision to withhold the UM football team from bowl consideration following the 2011 regular season in response to the ongoing NCAA inquiry and has informed both the NCAA and the Atlantic Coast Conference of its decision.

We understand and share the disappointment that our student-athletes, coaches, staff, supporters and fans are feeling but after lengthy discussions among University leaders, athletic administrators and outside counsel, it is a necessary step for our University. The University of Miami has not self-imposed any other penalties.

The team was informed of the decision earlier today and is in preparations for their final game of the season.
As we stated in August, the University of Miami maintains the highest standards in our academic and athletic endeavors and we will remain steadfast in our commitment to building winning programs with the utmost of integrity. We will be more vigilant in our compliance efforts and continue to work cooperatively with the NCAA on the joint inquiry to determine the true facts.
To continue to protect the integrity of the inquiry, the University will not comment further at this time.

Posted by: Montreal-Cane | November 20, 2011 at 04:37 PM

BEERicane

If Miami were 10-0 at this point would the decision be the same?

SOUP

Will it be the last game of Al Golden at Miami on friday?

I hope not!

Posted by: Montreal-Cane | November 20, 2011 at 05:43 PM

FROM WHAT I AM TOLD AL GOLDEN IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE.

And I was told by ULTRA reliable sources (not Da Skreetz, someone at UM) that we do NOT have to worry about Al going to Penn State.

That's ALL I can say, take it for what it is worth.

SOUP

If Miami were 10-0 at this point would the decision be the same?

Posted by: BEERicane | November 20, 2011 at 05:50 PM

OK, I'll bite: Probably NOT.

I think the decision was based on practical reasons as much as it was based on principles.

SHHHHHHhhhhh...but don't tell the NCAA that!

2002nemo

I called it, didn't I?
No bowl game . . . No surprise.
When we won our sixth game we immediately became self-bowl-ban eligible. Hence, the U's announcement.

One has to wonder, however, what U would have done if the team was still in contention for the ACC title and a BCS bowl game?

One also has to wonder how much more severe the NCAA sanctions will be? A lousy bowl ban probably won't suffice.

SOUP

It always amazes me that this group gets more angry after a win than after a loss...just go back and look at the posts after VT,Virginia...even Maryland...

Posted by: Texascane | November 20, 2011 at 05:40 PM

We always bitch about POOR PERFORMANCE. It really has less to do with winning or losing than PERFORMANCE.

If U are content with a 6-3 win over USF then have at it. That was an unmotivated effort and a poor performance by Fisch, J12, the Oline and really the entire offense any way U slice it.

When the hero of the game is your PUNTER then U know everything that needs to be said. The defense DID play well, I'll give them that.

longtimecanefan

after yesterday's performance (or lack there of) a bowl game would only offer us a chance to get stomped on national tv.

I agree, the smart play is to sit this one out, hope the NCAA gets happy with it, and start the prep for next season.

Montreal-Cane

Posted by: SOUP | November 20, 2011 at 05:52 PM

SOUP it's good to hear but Al should make a strong statement to this effect and send the right message to have a top notch recruiting class.

dg

Right decision...Now lets see how the seniors play against BC.

SOUP

Nemo...U did call the "NO BOWL GAME" as did PapaCane on Twitter. Certainly there will be more penalties but not as bad as first thought is my guess.

SOUP

SOUP it's good to hear but Al should make a strong statement to this effect and send the right message to have a top notch recruiting class.

Posted by: Montreal-Cane | November 20, 2011 at 06:09 PM

Al and his agent are still in a negotiating posture with UM and rightfully so after what they did to him with the whole scandal issue so U will not hear him say anything reassuring until that process is completed.

I believe that his agent is spreading false rumors about Al to PSU to those that will listen like @SPORTSbyBROOKS on Twitter to reinforce their bargaining position and make UM act quickly.

Once contractual issues are resolved going forward then U will have all of the reassuring words and actual legal proof in the form of a new contract that U will need.

The time off from the bowl game will deal with that issue and also help with recruiting this year AND next.

TRUST ME!

orange 'n green in the vein

At first I was like:

Your blog-master ... was seduced by the Dark Side of the Force. He ceased to be Tom Popadak and "became" SOUP. When that happened, the good man who was your blog-master was destroyed. So what I told you was true... from a certain point of view.

But then I was like:

You underestimate the power of the Dark Side. If you will not fight, then you will meet your destiny.

Sarasota 'cane

Completly agree Soup! Al has no obligation to say a word about his status until the school makes him a strong offer.

Go 'canes!

longtimecanefan

will be interesting to see how the team responds for the BC game.

We'll see if we finish 6-6.....

orange 'n green in the vein

[Donna tries to convince Al not to go to a bowl]
Donna: You must not go!
Al: But Denzel and Dorsett will fail to develop if I don't.
[Jimmy Johnson's Force-spirit suddenly appears]
J-J: You don't know that. Even Donna cannot see their fate.
Al: But I can help them! I feel the Force!
J-J: But you cannot control it. This is a dangerous time for you, when you will be tempted by the Dark Side of the Force.

roachcane77

From Manny's blog: (I like AG's statement, and I also like the latest word on Henderson.)

Golden was asked about his own future at the program considering the potential sanctions at UM and the coach opening at his alma mater Penn State.

"I don't have any decisions to make," he said. "I am coaching the Miami program and moving forward. My family and I enjoy living here and we have a great group of kids on the team and I am excited about the direction we are going."

Eichorst assured the media he will do his best to make sure Golden remains the coach of UM for a long time. "I truly believe in my heart that I have one of the best football coaches in America and I plan on working side-by-side with him for a very long time," Eichorst said.

> Golden seemed encouraged by the MRI results of offensive lineman Seantrel Henderson on Sunday and has upgraded him to doubtful for Friday's game. "It doesn't look like it will be a surgery deal, which is great for the young man," Golden said.

SlingBlade

always amazes me how people come on after an announcement is made or after something happens that everyone knows is gonna happen and says "i called that one"...that kind of stuff annoys me...

we all knew it was gonna happen...dont try to take credit for "calling that one"...

just like this guy at work on monday says pacquiao and dos santos were his picks and no one believed him...and no one ever even knew he was interested in fighting...

SlingBlade

imma go out on a limb and say that jimmy johnson doesnt win his 6th ship in a row...

SlingBlade

imma say that frank gore gets a td on san frans next possession...

j.w.

Good article, soup. I don't like the bowl ban, or how this decision was made at all. If Golden really wasn't included in the decision, it really looks bad. The timing is awful as well- if we really want to show the NCAA we are serious aobut compliance, why not do it before the Maryland game? Why waste bowl officials time scouting us if we're not going? Very disappointed with Eichhorst.

SlingBlade

you dont announce it before the maryland game because you are not bowl eligible...those are things you announce after you are eligible to do it...

canesteeler

I agree with the decision to stay at home. History states if they went to a bowl half the team would not show up to play anyway! That shat yesterday was horrible.

roachcane77

I agree, AG should have been "in" on the decision making process, NOT "informed" of the decision after the fact.

2002nemo

Hey SOUP, let me repeat a question I posed earlier in the season:

Is this year's team better than last year's team?

UMike

Did anyone keep the streak alive today?

Sarasota 'cane

Gore should have a couple of looks as SF should run the ball to kill the clock.

Go 'canes!

SlingBlade

not yet mike

Texascane

I will still take a 6-3 win over a 38-34 loss...to anyone...

Really, go back and look at the posts after VaTech...compared to the ones above, you would think we won VT and lost this one...everyone needs to make up their mind...do we want to win or look good losing?

SlingBlade

i agree texascane...but a 6-3 win over a .500 team looks alot worse than a 4pt loss to a top 5 team on the road...but a win is a win

orange 'n green in the vein

Posted by: 2002nemo | November 20, 2011 at 06:39 PM

Team, better, but they have 13 seniors on the roster so that figures. Coaching, way worse in some areas and a little better in others.

Add that all up and it equals to being no better at all or slightly worse if BC returns the receipt for the '06 upset Friday.

mi@mic@ne

Im glad Al and the administration are putting the punishment on these players. They have under performed for Golden and that performance against the Bulls was like throwing Al under the bus. I know Al doesnt think all the players deserve the punishment but there are some specific players who know they have not put in the time enough to meet the standards that Al wanted. Im glad we got a new class coming in because i hope some of the joiners who return are benched for these freshman. It pisses me off that we lost games we should never have lost.

Hassan

Soup tell me you got to talk to the coacahes or someone WHY do our OL not wear knee braces?

Sarasota 'cane

Hey SOUP, let me repeat a question I posed earlier in the season:

Is this year's team better than last year's team?

Posted by: 2002nemo | November 20, 2011 at 06:39 PM

Yes they are. It's not even close. They may not be more athletic, but they are a better coached squad. As frustrating as they have been over the years they could have won all 5 games that they lost this year. That's the only stat a first year coach should be measured on. Did they plug the glaring problems from last year?? No question. Jacory was 10 times better this season.

Go 'canes!

orange 'n green in the vein

Texas, what's missing so far is accounting for this simple, but crucial fact:

USF has such an inferiority complex in these state games that they are all in and will give better effort in them than trying to win the Big East.

UM doesn't and shouldn't consider USF a rival at all.

Plus, Fisch has been planned for now and needs to regain the initiative of surprise he had earlier in the year going forward into 2012. Another year in the system will only help get that back on UM's side.

j.w.


you dont announce it before the maryland game because you are not bowl eligible...those are things you announce after you are eligible to do it...

Posted by: SlingBlade
Sling- my point is don't wait until you know you're turning down a weak bowl bid if you want people to believe you're contrite. Kind of like telling your kid that you don't get credit for confessing to taking candy when you return it only because it doesn't taste good.

Ohio_Cane

Looks like The Streak is going to end.

4-Real

C-Mac ballin

orange 'n green in the vein

j.w., that has no bearing on this. Butch took his bowl ban when he did because he was convinced he had enough next year to make a Bowl Alliance run the next season, which ended up being like the Car Care Bowl instead. Seriously, the main concern of the NCAA is the cooperation into the investigation, which bowl you remove yourself from is a tertiary at best concern for them I'd imagine.

SlingBlade

Kind of like telling your kid that you don't get credit for confessing to taking candy when you return it only because it doesn't taste good.

its nothing like that...that would be like playing the game against boise state and getting blown out and saying scratch that game from the record books...

you can not impose a penalty on your team until you are eligible to enforce that penalty...

Sarasota 'cane

j.w. you can't turn it down until you qualify! Be real dude! This team would never have made it to "bowl eligible" if you had made the decision in August.
Besides that I knew they would self impose, how could the team not?

Go 'canes!

Texascane

OGV, I agree...I hated the game but these are the games that we used to lose...always. Let the other team stick around, make some stupid mistakes late in the game and lose...

We went 64 yards, made three third down and shorts (running) and kicked the field goal with no time left...storybook.

No stupid timeouts, no holding calls, no 12 men on the field. It's always good to win one on the last play...

SlingBlade

looks like san fran shut gore down for the rest of the game...now our only hopes are kenny phillips and antrel rolle...a pick six tonight would be nice

Sarasota 'cane

I love it, not only are we not bowl eligible, but we have also already lost a bowl game to Boise! In November!!

Go 'canes!

mi@mic@ne

jh gave up 40 yrs in the red zone... -6 points
benji dropped a pass in the red zone.. -6 points
the o line did not get a consistent push
lm was really slow... had multiple opportunities to turn the corner but got dragged down by a dlinemen or a linebacker. It was an ugly win ...never the less a win is a win.. and it feels good to win no matter what the score.

Old Skool

I agree with the decision. The only thing we'll miss by not going to a bowl is the extra practice time for the underclassmen while gaining a few no bowl Brownie points with the NCAA.

Six

Only thing that will help keep the streak alive is a defensive TD

Rolle, Phillips, Wilfork, Dwayne Hendricks, Bruce Johnson, Antonio Dixon, Allen Bailey - you are the last hope

Montreal-Cane

SOUP i totally agree with your article. This is exactly how i saw the game yesterday. I felt bad for you and Chris because i knew you were at the game...As for Mrs. 86 at least she was sleeping.
I still see the cancer among some players...The losing mentality among some seniors with the exception of Sean Spence who has been the best player on this team.
Next year will be much much better...We have good freshmen...Also Hurns stop chasing skirts and catch the damn balls...He started the season as king and will end the season as a drag Queen.


CGNC Crosby will be back tomorrow...Great for the Pens and the NHL.

orange 'n green in the vein

Texas, that game yesterday was UM fans first look at what I would describe as vintage Al Golden football. Low scoring, hanging around all game long, barely winning. It's what his Temple, "miracle," was based on, so if he's going to be around longer, I suggest you get used to it unless he has a change of philosophy.

To me, it looked like they realized they could bend but not break too bad on defense and decided to not beat themselves in the face of a pretty good front seven of the other sideline until they could go for it on fourth to get the win and go home. I thought it was the worse game this year from a game-plan, execution and preparation standpoint but combine that with the result and I'm not going to whine too much. At this point in the year, I'm pretty sure I know what you're getting in the finale, time to start catching up with what the recruitniks have been obsession over since February.

Six

Canes have been on a bowl ban since 2002

Who gives a crap about winning the Smurf Turf Bowl against Nevada

No doubt Jacory has changed since last year, he's actually making reads at times and seemingly cutting down on throwing into double coverage (Ohio State game, Kansas State game, etc. aside) - he's finally playing like the QB everyone thought he might be when he signed his LOI, thank god for that. Now all the sudden the fans are supposed to just wipe it all off instantaneously b/c the die hard Jacory lovers say so? Hilarious. Kid is doing his job finally, congrats. With going down statistically as one of the best in one category - he's also going down as one of the worst in another ... INTs

Take the good with the bad. It is tough no doubt changing OCs, 3 in 4 years .. also have to remember even though Nix didn't do much, the last OC helped Jacory get those TDs and also ya, some of the INTs as well

Who is the leader in UM history for picks - Kelly Cochrane possibly with 42? Kosar had 29, Mira had 36

Jacory has 44 ... but also down from 15 last year to 5 this year

mi@mic@ne

jh would have been good enough to give us a 10 win season if AG was here when he signed. He would have been 215 to 220 which is the reason he breaks down too soon on the drop.

mi@mic@ne

because he doesnt weigh enough for his 6 4 frame

orange 'n green in the vein

Monty, LOL! So mean to Allen, he's an early LOF candidate if Streeter leaves early, but you're right about needing to focus on what's important now.

The game was actually fun for me, nice stadium, good tailgate, every single snap mattered and I got my regulation result with no overtime. Plus that's the first Wieclaw game winner he's had to kick and he came through which will be good to know in the future he's got the stones to handle that on the road in a pressure situation. Yet another good Shannon find to leave in the cupboard for the new regime who will come in handy down the road. As pissed as some are with this win, think about the USF program, if they didn't win that game in that stadium, and they were pretty loud every time the PA dropped the opening bars of 'Welcome to the Jungle,' they will never beat UM again and they are beside themselves they let that get away from them at home, watch for flying planes with anti-Holtz banners in the sky against WVU when they lose to Louisville.

Sarasota 'cane

OGV what the hell have you been watching all year? "Vintage Al Golden"?? Were you expecting a 'ship??? Going from a home loss to an away win is now "Vintage Al"? Taking the likely ACC winner to the end is now "Vintage Al"??
It's official!! Some of you all are completely delusional about how a team is assembled and coached into winners. Seriously! You have no clue what you are talking about. You make a "line in the sand" statement and then spend the rest of you time trying to prove your point!
I am just about done with blogging with uninformed-arm-chair-coaches who can't see the forrest through the trees. This team has improved and will continue to get better.

This team deserves so much more from their fan base! It's just pathetic!

orange 'n green in the vein

Six, no, you've got it backwards about Jacory, as usual, see his haters are supposed to shut up about him because they said they'd do so if he proved him wrong, which he has. So for until Friday night they should honor their written proclamations if their word is supposed to mean anything.

Of course, those haters who didn't say they'd pipe down when proven wrong over the off-season can continue to take shots at the guy on his way out at senior day and those that know he's a good college QB will continue to laugh at them on their end of the internet connection secure in their knowledge that they know not what they do or judge. Freedom of speech, it's a wonderful thing but tedious in the wrong hands.

mi@mic@ne

sarasota ... i like Al. The team showed improvement this yr but to me it was more than five plays.. we shot ourselves in the foot and had to come back in the games we lost because of all the gifts. We were a dumb team.

I do not doubt that Al can bring the crystal ball back to the U. Ive got all the confidence that the players starting as freshmen will be so much more developed as seniors under Al that the will dominate ..especially on the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball. U fans are spoiled... 58 home win streak.. 5 rings ...double that in bcs appearances... we got a ring taken from us when we were asked to win one twice against osu..lol

orange 'n green in the vein

Sarasota, apparently you disagree with my assessment? I need to write a piece of code that undersigns all my posts in typepad with, "As always, this is just one man's opinion."

Golden said himself not to lower expectations, so yes, I was expecting a senior laden to team to be significantly better than at best one game over .500 and a self imposed ban away from appearing in the Department Store Bowl or the Music City Bowl. Silly me obviously, no wonder they were in every game so far this year except for when the backup QB threw that interception late in the opener.

Montreal-Cane

Rolle will have to take one to the end zone...

4-Real

U guys check out the bama/ga southern highlights on espn? Only showed bama highlights as if bama straight up steamrolled Ga southern when truth is g southern gave bama all they could handle, including 300 + yrds rushing on what suppose 2 b the' Greatest Defense Ever'! Also u assclowns need to check out AMC' S ' The Walking Dead'. Promise u it will blow ur sox off, 4 those of u assclowns that wear sox! (minus sarasota)

3G Cane

'Sota- With fans like these...

[]_[] GO CANES []_[]

86Cane

A 6-3 win over a .500 team looks alot worse than a 4pt loss to a top 5 team on the road.

Posted by: SlingBlade | November 20, 2011 at 06:44 PM

I thought this was SO obvious that I never thought someone would have to state it out LOUD.

86Cane

Is this year's team better than last year's team?

Posted by: 2002nemo | November 20, 2011 at 06:39 PM

In some way yes and in some ways it is still the same. My bottom line is they have NOT improved as much as I thought they would by this point in the season.

Is that on the players or the coaches? IMHO it is on both.

I thought 9-3 was very doable and still think that prediction was realistic and could have been accurate. But it looks like 7-5 was the correct answer.

86Cane

Hassan and Sarasota...I never answer my phone once I am at the stadium and getting in "game mode" ala Ray Lewis. I may not have a dance like his but the intesity of my game day preparation is just the same.

So don't take it personally, it is just the way it is. If you wanna be sure to hook up for a game then you have to plan ahead and follow the Canespace PRE-game routine and meet at the designated location BEFORE we leave to the stadium and then caravan on it together.

Sarasota 'cane

I thought 9-3 was very doable and still think that prediction was realistic and could have been accurate. But it looks like 7-5 was the correct answer.

Posted by: 86Cane | November 20, 2011 at 09:33 PM

I think it was 9-3 pre-Shapiro, 7-5 post-Shapiro. The question is will Golden make the adjustments that take us to 9-3 next season? I think so.

P.S. Nice post 4-Real!! Your Gator's are so bad that now you're reduced to doing movie reviews on rival blogs!! Classic!!

Go 'canes!!

86Cane

Now all the sudden the fans are supposed to just wipe it all off instantaneously b/c the die hard Jacory lovers say so? Hilarious. Kid is doing his job finally, congrats. With going down statistically as one of the best in one category - he's also going down as one of the worst in another...INTs. Take the good with the bad.

Posted by: Six | November 20, 2011 at 07:32 PM

Six do not try to reason with OGV - I have tried on numerous occasions and it is a LOST cause. At best he is illogical and at worst irrational. But he's an articulate SOB, an excellent writer and a lot of fun to hang out with, I'll give him that!

86Cane

Sarasota...I think I'm just gonna keep predicting 9-3 for the next 3 years as I have for the last 3 years because eventually I have to be right, right?

LOL

Sarasota 'cane

Posted by: 86Cane | November 20, 2011 at 09:37 PM

No worries 86, I was just pulling your chain! I was with family so as usual I had to go with the collective flow! We had a great tailgate and had no issues with the bulls fans. While I found the game frustrating at times, I don't think falling asleep crossed my mind!
I was just so tense for 59.9 minutes that I couldn't leave my seat. I prefer more offense, but I can appreciate the defensive chess match that we witnessed. Watching the FSU game last night made me wonder if both teams were still licking wounds from the week before.

Go 'canes!

Montreal-Cane

Bowl ban necessary step for Miami

November, 20, 2011
Heather Dinich

Just like his players, Miami coach Al Golden didn’t have any say in the matter.

...Golden, who walked into this mess in his first season as head coach, said it was the “right decision” and that he is “100 percent behind the decision.”

And he should be.

Now, with players already having served their suspensions and missing a hard-earned bowl game this year, Miami can take the first step in putting the pieces back together under Golden.

At least that’s what he’s hoping for.

“The current players on our team have been reinstated and have paid their debt,” Golden said. “Now, as a team and a program, we feel like we’re paying our debt and we feel like we have a chance to put these issues behind us. That’s why I feel it’s the right decision at this time.”

“Clearly this is something we have to do now to move the program forward in the future,” he said.

This could be just the beginning of sanctions for Miami, but if you listen closely to Golden, it also might not be nearly as bad as many first thought when the Yahooo! report was first released.

The university did not self-impose any scholarship reductions – another punishment that many assumed the NCAA would meter out, considering the scope of the investigation. Golden, though, seems to think it’s a good sign.

“Based on what I know, which is very little, I’m very positive about the direction we’re going, and clearly, I think the expeditious reinstatement of our current players back in August or September should be a clear indication that we are headed in a positive direction,” he said. “When the story initially broke, it was certainly sensationalized.

We understand that there was wrongdoing, but I think as expeditiously as four players were reinstated and the others served penalties … I think that was a silver lining and perhaps this is one as well.”

Despite the uncertainty that still surrounds his program, Golden has repeatedly stated there is nothing uncertain about his future at Miami.


“I don’t have any decisions to make,” he said. “I’m just coaching the Miami Hurricanes and getting the team ready to go against Boston College and move the program forward. As I’ve said a million times, we really enjoy living here, my family and I.”

While Sunday’s news ended any hopes of a postseason, Miami still has to finish the regular season. The Canes play on Friday against Boston College, and Golden said he doesn’t anticipate any problems keeping the team together for the regular season finale.


It’s time for the Canes to start moving on without a bowl game.

“I’m excited about the direction we’re going,” Golden said. “I think that clearly we’re disappointed in not being able to participate in a bowl game, but we know that we’re one step closer to putting these issues behind us. As sad as we are, it also gives us an opportunity to move forward and move the program forward.”

Sarasota 'cane

Sarasota...I think I'm just gonna keep predicting 9-3 for the next 3 years as I have for the last 3 years because eventually I have to be right, right?

LOL

Posted by: 86Cane | November 20, 2011 at 09:45 PM

The thing that makes me sick is the fact that we could have won every game we lost!! The KSU, VT, and FSU games especially hurt!

Go 'canes!

Alberto

Better to have to weeks to recruit than to prepare for a toilet bowl and get our azz kicked again.

Alberto

two weeks

j.w.

SLing, OGV, Sota: Bottom line for me, is that I am pissed at UM right now because they wasted my friggen time this whole year. I'm not buying the argument that they didn't know enough facts to know whether they would accept a bowl ban until yesterday, I think they've known them for a long time and were hoping the NCAA would issue a notice of allegations and allow us to plead early, just like we did in 1995 (that was the AD's call back then). With that knowledge, they could have made this decision in October.
I'm not saying that the Indepence Bowl is a great prize, but why the hell did we even care if we won or lost if we weren't going to a bowl game? We should have been playing for the future, rather than trying to win #6. That means not bringing Porter in in game 11, or playing Paul, Crawford, or any other freshman who could have benefitted from a red shirt season.
I'm also pissed at Eichorst for apparently not even talking to Golden about this, after we blindsided him in August with the Shapiro news. They are both saying the right things right now, but I can't imagine Golden isn't wondering why he should show loyalty to UM at this point after again being left in the dark.
Sorry for the rant. I'll get over it in a couple of days. And I do respect all of your opinions, we may not see eye to eye all the time but I like reading the other point of view as well.

Alberto

Only areas of improvement this year:
1)Special Teams.(Just for not having Panunzio)
2)QB play. (Although to little to late, J12 played much better.)
3)RBs.

Areas we need much improvement.
1)OL (So many years, so many coaches, they still wanna make me puke.)
2)LB (Sad to say Miami is poor in this area.)
3)DL (See above.)
4)Last but not least. CB and Safety. (No play makers.)
5)OL (Can't stop saying it. They can't hold a 3 man rush. WTF)
6)Conditioning, conditioning, conditioning.)Did you see how we tackle. Or how we not tackle.

Hassan

It is all good Soup, i did not know where the rendezvous point was at. I searched about 4 parking lots looking for you or someone, I ran into Canesfreak the guy who makes all the youtube vidoes.

86Cane

jw...regardless of when the decision was made it is the right decision and it was announced at the right time. Get over the details and get on with "The BIG Picture".

Sarasota 'cane

Posted by: j.w. | November 20, 2011 at 10:09 PM

j.w. How could you not know that UM was not going to a bowl this year? Maybe I've been around the block a time or two, but all you have to do is weigh the charges with what other teams have received in the past.
There was a point where I thought we might skate because of Shapiro's character, but as soon as I heard that the Brown brothers and Robert Marve were likely given immunity to drop a dime on the coaches and the team then I knew we were screwed.
If they can implicate the coaches in this mess we may not go to another bowl next year either! That's reality. I've been saying all year that if you think this year was bad then you'll jump off a bridge over the next three!

P.S. If Golden didn't know that the team was going to cancel the post season then Joe Pa didn't know a kid was raped in his locker room shower!

86Cane

Hassan...I'll make U an offer U can't refuse! If U ever get the chance to go to a home game at Sun Life and can meet up with the crew at The Hampton Inn I'll not only give you 2 FREE tickets to the game but also have U and your guest ride with me in my car to the game and park for free and hang out at our tailgate party.

How's that for an offer?

Hassan

Sounds good to me, you going to the BC Game?

Montreal-Cane

j.w. you bring some very interesting points.

Al Golden is a very smart man and he knew all season long that a self imposed bowl ban could be possible. So i am sure that he discussed about this matter with the AD before today...

Most of the season we discussed about this possible self imposed bowl ban here on Canespace so Al was not left in the dark for this one. But if he would have said something about it earlier this season....It would have been even tougher to carry his team...

j.w.

86- I hear ya, in the big picture, it might work out. We'll see if we or UNC/OSU made the right choice soon, and I honestly hope it's us.
Sota- I was a recent UM grad the last time it happened, I remember it all too well. :) This time, we heard all the good p.r. re: Emmert complimenting Shalala, how the old stuff couldn't be proven, then you had Eichorst not affirmatively responding to whether we would self-impose, bowl scouts covering our games, etc. And Golden's knowledge, I really don't know what to think on that, he says he didn't know, Eichorst says he wasn't consulted, etc. Who knows.
I'm going to let it go, and move on. I hope we don't have a repeat performance come March with the bball team.

86Cane

Me going to the BC game? Stupid question: YUP! If U wanna go email me at:

canespace86@aol.com

86Cane

Monty, CGNC, OGV and Ocala...check email.

Sarasota 'cane

I hope we don't have a repeat performance come March with the bball team.

Posted by: j.w. | November 20, 2011 at 10:42 PM

That's exactly my point! The charges against the B-ball team seem worse than the FB team! A player is sitting out the entire season for allegedly taking a $10,000 payoff! C'mon man don't torture yourself like this! The Bball team is not going dancing this year! You can vault that!

j.w.

Sota, for my sanity, I'm going to take your prediction to the bank. :)

orange 'n green in the vein

j.w. Golden's roster management skills are very questionable since he arrived. Now the suspensions make it that much tougher to really draw an accurate bead on them, but he ran off some key depth guys for the sake of those all important core values, then started moving guys around to exacerbate certain roster weak points even worse than they already were and now is going to absolutely hit a signing day out of the park in a few months to have any chance to have a decent third season in 2013. I'm also inclined to agree with you that UM is playing dumb and once this season went in the tank after the VT loss it was very likely no bowl was being played once win six was in the books.

4-Real, I just got off the smart-phone with the Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla', he wants his gimmick back and wants you to stop infringing on it post haste or he will come to your house, chop your internet down and make sure you never, ever, sully his good game in vain AGIYN!

Hassan

Ok emailed you sir

Montreal-Cane

Thanks 86 i heard that late afternoon...I think Al will ink a new contract with the Canes within the next two or three weeks 2.75 to 3 millions a year seems probable...
Just my gut feeling.

Hassan

he needs to get more control of the FB program and get more money for better assistants.

SJMPARMAN

Sarasota Cane said:

I hope we don't have a repeat performance come March with the bball team.

Posted by: j.w. | November 20, 2011 at 10:42 PM

The Bball team is not going dancing this year! You can vault that!

It is not wise to underestimate coach L. He will win at Miami. The early schedule is loaded with cupcakes. I wouldn't be surprised if we were at least 7-3 or even 8-2 after the first 10 games. When he gets the big men back in January, this will be a scary team for opponents.

I think the bowl ban was appropiate. The perpretators were the freshman class in 2008, and occured when they were being recruited. It is only appropriate that they pay the penalty.

I am going to miss Jacory and Spence. Jacory was the best we could recruit back then. Spence has been exceptional in his junior and senior year. I don't know how his body frame translates for the NFL. Maybe a safety or a third down specialist. But he was a play maker for the U.

Not sure any of the other seniors will make it beyond training camp. Jo Jo played well this year, much better than I expected, but it is hard when you switch positions all year. Benjamin will get a look because of speed but he is way too inconsistent to play week in and week out in the league. If an NFL team were smart, they would convert him to a third down back like Sproles. Micanor Regis will get drafted late I suspect. I doubt Jacory will be drafted because there is no upside on him body wise, and leading the INT list for 2 years of college ball doesn't exactly endear you to pro scouts even if you played well during your final year.

The rest of the seniors are UM graduates. That is cool in and of itself. But that senior class ended up not being as talented as we hoped in 2008. Marve was a bust, we couldn't keep Arthur Brown, and some guys who had great potential didn't develop into NFL prospects.

I enjoyed watching these kids play. I think the signings were warranted at the time, especially given how empty the cupboard was at the time. It will only get better from here. I truly believe that.

I do hope that no one predicts 9-3 or above next year. Stephen Morris will not win 9 games next year on his own, there were very few juniors who stepped up this year, on offense of defense, and I don't see someone who will suddenly make Miami an elite team next year.

Six

OGV - I'm wrong as usual about Jacory? Come on, that in itself is funnier than the entire series of 2 1/2 Men from its inception until present

It's funny b/c that doesn't look like Jacory that you're standing with in the picture at the North Endzone Pirate Ship and have your arm around - b/c it seems you give him a lot more love than anyone else

I can still recall you saying that Jacory had added arm strength this year to equal that of Morris

Wait .......... now I can type again, had a little fit of out loud laughter

Again, the current coach that you don't like and felt was being dumb about taking his time in naming an OC b/c it supposedly hurt recruiting in your mind - brought in an OC that actually helped Jacory out tremendously ... but it still seems to be that you can't bring yourself to say multiple legit good things about Golden

And part of the reason of Golden's record being 1 game over .500, is b/c of some of the players he was left with in too many positions from the former coach whom you'd still take over Golden I'd bet

Of course we can't tell yet, but, it sure does seem that Golden's class shaping up for this upcoming Feb looks better than Shannon's last class that he left at Miami - and you'd think that in his 4th year, he'd be able to pull a better class


Barely beating USF yesterday is better than losing to them ... which Shannon did last year .. at home .. with better players on defense that weren't transfers from Wake (who couldn't play there), RBs turned into DBs, etc. Pretty sure D'Onofrio would like to have DVD & Ryan Hill (over Williams & McGee), Allen Bailey & CMac (at OLB, not MLB) to work with - and if anyone can't see that this current team is different than last year's team in the "giving up department" ... come on

Like you said though, I should probably end this post with "As always, this is just one man's opinion."

NativeCane

MH

Spanking ourselves

It was made clear by Golden that the decision to turn down any bowl invitation was strictly made by the administration. Even though he said he concurred with the final outcome, he added, “None of it was my decision.”

Although more NCAA sanctions might await, Golden was positive about the future.

“The current players have been reinstated and paid their debt,” he said. “We understand there was wrongdoing. Now, as a team and a program, we feel like we’re paying our debt and we have a chance to put these issues behind us. So, that’s why I feel like it [the self-imposed bowl ban] is the right decision.”

Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/11/21/2511406/miami-hurricanes-withdraw-from.html#ixzz1eLH6JRnt


Manny

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/umiami/2011/11/canes-decide-to-skip-bowl-game-take-impending-ncaa-punishment-now.html

SOUP

Six, OGV and SJMPARMAN...so really good blogging by you guys. Appreciate your presence and comments on the blog.

NativeCane

Hey, Whats that smell?

Pito!

SOUP

READ THIS: It was made clear by Golden that the decision to turn down any bowl invitation was strictly made by the administration. Even though he said he concurred with the final outcome, he added, “None of it was my decision.”

KNOW THIS: UM handled the decision to NOT go bowling in this way so that it CLEARLY demonstrates "Institutional Control".

The President and the AD made the decision, NOT the head coach. This is to show the NCAA that "The Institution", not the head coach controls the football program.

This is the Anti-Paterno scenario.

There j.w., does that make U feel better?

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