Epic Fail: FSU At The CWS

Twenty one. 

That is exactly how many attempts Florida State University has had at trying to win a College World Series.  And what do the Seminoles have to show for their efforts aside from what must be by now a huge collection of frequent flyer miles?  Nothing, zero, nada, zilch.

Twenty one.

FSU has had not ten, or twenty, but 21 attempts since thier first appearence at the CWS in 1957 under the notable coach Dick Howser at trying to win a College World Series without a single National Championship to their credit. 

In fact, FSU leads the Nation by a sizeable margin in number of attempts without a win at the CWS. The next team on the list of Epic Fails at the CWS is Clemson at 12 attempts without a win. And I would be remiss if I did not remind you that the Florida Gators are also on the list of Epic Failures with 8 CWS appearences without a win.  Go Gators!

But let's not get distratced and focus our attention on FSU and 21 attempts with no CWS titles.  Have you ever tried to do something 21 times in a row?  Do you know how difficult that is?

How many NBA players make 21 consecutive shots or even free throws?

How many MLB players collect a hit in 21 consecutive games?

How many NFL QBs complete 21 passes in a row?

How many NCAA kickers make 21 consecutive field goals without even one sailing wide right?

Doing anything 21 times in a row is a very difficult thing to do.  Yet FSU and their celebrated, long-time head coach Mike Martin have made it look effortless in losing 21 consective trips to the CWS.

Speaking of Martin, he has personally accounted for 15 of the 21 epic fails at the CWS in Omaha, Nebraska. Martin began coaching at FSU in 1980 and over the last 32 years managed to get his team into the CWS on 15 occasions and even got as close as runner-up three times. 

The Seminoles came in second place three times by losing the championship game to USC in 1970, to Arizona in 1986 and to some small, private school in Coral Gables known as the University of Miami in 1999.  However, nobody remembers who came in second and the fact is that second place is just the first team that loses.

The 2012 ACC Coach of the Year has a winning record, an excellent program, recruited a boatload of great players over the years and even a beautiful stadium named after him and yet he still cannot seem to find a way to win a National Championship in spite of of all of his other accomplishsments.

In fact, Only one team in college baseball, the University of Miami, has been to more consecutive NCAA Tournaments than Florida State, who have, as of the 2012 season, made 33 straight postseason appearances. 

We should also point out that Miami, a college baseball dynasty since the mid-70's has won four CWS titles to their credit, winning National Championships in 1982, 1985 under Ron Fraser and again in 1999 and 2001 under current head coach Jim Morris.

Twenty one.

Apparently, the College World Series is to Mike Martin as "Wide Right" is to Bobby Bowden. To use a baseball analogy FSU has had 21 "at bats" in trying to win a College World Series. The Seminoles have struck out either looking or swinging all 21 times.

Twenty one.

That record number, by anyone's assessment, is the definition of an Epic Fail. 

Comments

[Old Skool]

Well, Well Well

[Willie Will in Nashville]

Damn you old skool!! Lol

[SinisterCane]

Epic Fail? How you seen our baseball team Lately?

[4-Real]

Not just baseball Sinister, the entire athletic program lol

[2002nemo]

Wouldn't you trade FSU's ____________ team for ours? (Pick your sport)

[Ohio_Cane]

Nemo, I wouldn't trade any of UM's sports for FSWho's herpes, honestly.

[raizecane]

I enjoyed the story but I would much rather get to the CWS and lose than not make it at all.... but thats just me.

[Ohio_Cane]

Nemo, I wouldn't trade any of UM's sports for FSWho's herpes, honestly.

Posted by: Ohio_Cane | June 27, 2012 at 08:09 AM
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Reverse that. I'm tired lol

I wouldn't trade herpes for any of FSWho's teams.

[The What]

So college football finally has a playoff. I know its a step in the right direction but here's my question. Is it really that hard to just make an 8 or 16 team playoff or simply an all conference champs playoff? The controversy about teams that deserve to be in the 4 team playoff will be no different than the BCS. Oh how I hate the powers that be in college football.

[SlingBlade]

So they have 21 failures and we have 29....guess we got them beat there too.

[LB]

"Is it really that hard to just make an 8 or 16 team playoff or simply an all conference champs playoff? The controversy about teams that deserve to be in the 4 team playoff will be no different than the BCS. Oh how I hate the powers that be in college football. "

It would be simple, wouldn't it? There's just too much money and too many egos involved... much like UM's old recruiting classes, no? For drama's sake, I think 16 is keen.

Yet honestly, the controversy wouldn't stop at 16, either. It would be much, much less and highly regionalized... but it still would remain. At least with 4 you are guaranteed at least 4 of the best teams in the nation. Although I think 16 teams would be AWESOME... you'd also end up getting a bunch of bad games and less interesting bowl matchups. Furthermore, the regular season games would mean less.

16 Teams...
Conference Champions: ACC, Big East, Big Ten, Pac Ten, SEC all guaranteed a shot.

You may get something like LSU vs. Syracuse and USC vs. Hawaii in the first round. Not interested.

A 12-0 and #1 ranked USC could essentially take the conference championship off and rest a Matt Barkley vs. a #3 Oregon because they're guaranteed a spot in the playoffs. Seeding aside, would Kiffin really risk Barkley's health for the playoffs against a tempered opponent in a scenario in which postseason birth is already achieved? It also sucks for fans, too. USC fans would rather see Matt Barkley than Hinkie Slider III.

I'm not trying to play contrarian, because a #15 UM team could do some damage and prove their mettle against the current power. If I were to expand it, I'd take 8... but no more. Under 8, an undefeated and worthy non-automatic qualifier would still get in (Boise State). But it would also keep the 3 loss Big East Champion out... and I'm a fan of that.

This is great fun to talk about. I've been dreaming of this for quite some time. A 4 team playoff sounds great, and I've argued for it since the inception of the BCS (not CBS, because that's the SEC station). And if I'm interpreting the system correctly and there's a selection committee for the Final Four... there is NO WAY an undefeated UM doesn't get due to its historical value & continued popularity in television ratings. Even while Kirby Freeman and Randy Shannon ran the show, Miami still was and remains a ratings bonanza.

As long the Tie switches to decaf during the playoffs... we're good. :)

[The What]

Great comment LB. I agree 8 teams would be ideal. I think an undefeated or even one loss Miami, FSU, Virginia tech get in. As long as that one loss is early in the season. Once Miami starts winning again their popularity will soar even higher making them almost a lock to make the final four if they are on the door step.

[The What]

FSU must be the most under achieving in terms of sports. Only 2 NCs (one was practically handed to them in 2000), no baseball or basketball championships. What the hell goes on up there? It's not like they have admission problems and have to pass up on a kid with grade issues. I don't get it.

I am also interested to see how public universities like FSU and others around the country cope with the financial tightening of state funds due to the poor economy. I know it's a small percentage but it would be interesting to see how they cope and if private universities like Miami would have an advantage as they are constantly looking for some type of funding they don't get from the state. This is not just sports related but overall university impact.

[herbieibis]

I'll just settle for us getting back to the World Series.
Speaking of the new format, I hope they wait until after the conference championships before they go to seeding. What stinks is, is the conferences that don't have a play-off. Take care of the regular season and you should be sitting pretty.
I would rather them use a 6 team format and give the top 2 teams a bye. You would at least insure you don't miss anyone. 8 is too many.

[Swami for CEO]

FROM THE SUN-SENTINEL:

Geography too, plays a part, and even so, the Hurricanes are well in contention with 15 percent of the available top 150. This puts Miami in the company of the national elite schools.

ESPN Top300 #, Name, Position, School/State — Interest/Note

4 Vernon Hargreaves III DB Tampa-Wharton — Offered, light interest

6 Mackensie Alexander CB Immokalee — Leader, attended spring game

13 Montravius Alexander DT Georgia — Offered, light interest

18 Matthew Thomas OLB Booker T Washington — Attended junior day

24 DeMarcus Walker DE Sandalwood (Jacksonville) — Offered, attended junior day

34 Stacey Coley WR Northeast (FTL) — Offered, visited, spring game, top five

36 Ryan Green RB Tampa — Offered, attended junior day

45 Jordan Cunningham WR University School (Davie) — Leader

69 Artie Burns CB Miami Northwestern — Leader

84 Travis Johnson TE Tampa – Jesuit — Offered, attended junior day

96 Tyrone Crowder OL North Carolina — Offered, light interest

105 Ebenezer Ogundeko DE Brooklyn, NY — Offered, personally visited

147 Alquadin Muhammad DE New Jersey — Offered, light interest

154 Jermaine Grace OLB Miramar — Offered, attended junior day

168 Demarcus Robinson WR Georgia — Offered, personally visited

180 Richard Benjamin WR Tampa Tech — Offered, attended junior day

193 Paul James DE Miami Norland — Offered, attended junior day

210 Richy Klepel DT Tampa – Plant — Just offered

240 Jordan Sherit DE Tampa – Hillsborough — Offered, attended junior day

247 AJ Turman RB Orlando – Boone — Offered, attended junior day

280 Will Likely DB Glades Central — Offered, attended camp, unofficially visited

[Swami for CEO]

For all of U FSU lovers and apologists:

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_college_fsu/

[4-Real]

It's not about loving or defending fsu CEO, its about Canes fans being in denial and having the nerve 2 constantly put down other programs like we won sumthin over the pass decade :(

[LB]

"Great comment LB. I agree 8 teams would be ideal. I think an undefeated or even one loss Miami, FSU, Virginia tech get in. As long as that one loss is early in the season."

If you're talking 8 teams, I absolutely agree a 1 loss UM gets in under your scenario. Absolutely.

"It's not about loving or defending fsu CEO, its about Canes fans being in denial and having the nerve 2 constantly put down other programs like we won sumthin over the pass decade :("

There is no defense for Florida State. They are the source of evil in the entire universe. Ask me why.

[herbieibis]

Well, aside from those 2 bakers delights to begin the season, at least their schedule is tougher than last years and finally they play Va. Tech, at their place.

Hargreaves, I can't see him coming.
Mack Alexander is a package deal with his bro and for some reason, I've heard we're not taking but one CB? Grace will end up here, Thomas, that's a big?, Cunningham will be the at the "U" and Likely also. Johnson we've already got. Burns will end up at the U. The rest No clue or comment but Golden better be for getting some big dogs on the De-Line

[Ohio_Cane]

Rivals did an interview with HS recruits and had them answer some recruiting-based questions. They came up with some interesting answers:

3. Who means more when you're making your college decision - a school's head coach or your potential position coach?

Position coach: 79 percent
Head coach: 21 percent
The buzz: This one was a landslide. Almost four-fifths of the respondents said the assistant who coaches their particular position meant more to them than a school's head coach. And they pretty much all gave the same reason.

"He's the one I'm going to be spending the most time with, compared to the head coach," one player said.

They pointed out that their position coach potentially could have a greater impact on their careers both on and off the field.

"That's who you're going to be with the most, that's who you're going to talk to, who's going to be your leader and your father [figure]," one player said.

Of course, the very best position coaches often don't stay position coaches for long. They move up the coaching ladder and take higher-paying jobs elsewhere. That's why some players said they focused more on a school's head coach.

Yes, it's certainly possible those players could experience a head coaching change at some point in their careers. But it's much more likely their position coach will depart.

"With a head coach, there's more of a chance of him staying around than a position coach," one player said. "For them, any time they could up and go someplace and leave."
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4. What's the No. 1 factor you consider when selecting a college?
Academics: 30 votes
Overall fit: 23
Relationship with coaches: 17
The buzz: The nation's top players are at least saying all the right things about making sure they benefit both academically and athletically from their college experience. Keep in mind this wasn't a multiple-choice survey. We asked the questions without offering any suggestions for them to choose. So nearly half our respondents brought up academics on their own.

"Football's a key that will open doors for you, but it's not going to last forever," one player said. "You have to have a backup plan."

Other players said they'd pick a school where they felt most at home. They wanted a place where they could still feel happy even if they weren't playing football. The makeup of a coaching staff also was mentioned often.

"I want to make sure those coaches are coaches who want to win and will push you to your hardest, but are good people as well," one player said. "Off the field, I want them to be coaches who keep track of you and make sure you're staying on your grades. I'm not saying I need a babysitter, but I want coaches who show that kind of care and interest in their players."

Other considerations that received at least four votes each included the possibility of early playing time and a school's proximity to home. Only one player mentioned a school's facilities as a chief reason for picking a particular team.
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5. What's the most overrated factor that some recruits consider when they're picking a college?

Winning tradition: 19 votes
Jerseys/uniforms/school colors: 9
Facilities: 7
The buzz: Surprised? So were we.

These results don't mean that winning is unimportant to the players who participated in this poll. They just have so much confidence in their own abilities that they believe they can win anywhere, not just at a school that has plenty of championship experience.

"There's only one school that can win a championship," one player said. "I don't look at it as what team's won championships. Any year, any team can win a championship."

History apparently doesn't matter all that much to many of these prospects.

"You can go off the past, but you're not the past," one player said. "You're the future."

These guys also have short memories.

When one player talked about people "living in the past" about particular schools, he didn't refer to Notre Dame, Florida State or any other renowned programs that haven't contended for a national title in more than a decade. He referred to teams that had won titles much more recently.

"People might live in the past about a school like USC because they think about the [2004] season, or LSU and Florida from [2007] or [2008],'' he said.

A couple of players specifically mentioned Oregon when they talked about prospects who might say they pick a school based primarily on its uniforms. This survey also might raise some questions about whether all those recent multi-million-dollar facility upgrades really have that much of an impact on a team's recruiting.

Plenty of other topics also came up in this category. Women, playing time and a school's name recognition received four votes each.

"Everyone says, 'The girls are here, the girls are there,' '' one player said. "You're going to find girls anywhere. That's not something you should base your college education on."

Credit one prospect for a brutally honest response that raised the question many readers also might be asking. If a school's academic strength really means so much to players, why don't the BCS rankings bear more resemblance to the U.S. News rankings?

That prospect wasn't dismissing the importance of academics. He just thought some prospects were disingenuous when they mentioned academics as their main reason for picking a school.

"When people say academics [is their main consideration], if you really cared about academics that much, you'd go to Vanderbilt or Harvard or something," he said.
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6. Should the NCAA allow football players to receive a stipend?

Yes: 67 percent
No: 33 percent
The buzz: Two-thirds of the prospects believed players should receive some type of monthly allowance to go along with the free room, board and tuition.

"They're making money off us playing football and we get nothing," one player said. "It's like we're McDonald's and we're making minimum wage. They're making millions of dollars, and we're just getting $7.25 [an hour], which is the scholarship."

One prospect noted that the time demands of balancing football and classwork prevent many players from having a part-time job while they're in school.

"Football's like a job," one player said. "Granted, they are paying for your tuition, but at the same time, you're putting in a lot more hard work than anyone could ever imagine. Plus, during the summer, it's really hard for some football players to get by. ? They can't get a job because they're doing a lot of football workouts, but at the same time they can't get paid."

Other proponents of a stipend said that if players started getting paid legally, it would reduce the number of NCAA violations.

This was one of the more polarizing questions on the survey. While the vast majority of prospects favored a stipend, some were categorically against it.

"We're not in the big leagues yet," one player said. "If you start having that, you really don't have anything to fight for to try to make it to the big leagues."
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11. Would you like the NCAA to add an early signing date?

No: 77 percent
Yes: 23 percent
The buzz: Although the American Football Coaches Association and the ACC issued proposals for an early signing date back in 2009, the idea hasn't gained much momentum.

Most of the prospects in Atlanta last weekend said they like things just the way they are.

"It gives kids times to think [about picking a college] after football season," one prospect said. "That's a big factor."

One recruit mentioned that an early signing date might prove beneficial at one particular position, but he still preferred the status quo.

"For quarterbacks, the process is sped up so much that [an early signing period] might be a good idea," he said, "but at the end of the day, I feel like letting kids take all their visits and do all that stuff and then signing in February with one strict signing day is probably the way to go."

Proponents for the idea noted that it could prove particularly helpful because of the growing trend toward early commitments - and switches.

"A lot of people are really committing early," one player said. "[An early signing period] would help colleges know they're already going to that school."
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12. Who's the main person you seek for advice on choosing a college?

Father: 22 votes
High school head coach: 18
Both parents collectively: 13
Family member aside from parents: 10
Mother: 8
Mentor or coach other than the high school head coach: 8
The buzz: A number of recruits couldn't limit themselves to just one choice in this category, but nearly every respondent mentioned either a family member or a coach. The few exceptions generally mentioned God or a clergyman.

The majority of recruits mentioned at least one family member. In a bit of a surprise, the dads received almost three times as many votes as the mothers, at least in the instances when a player specifically cited only one parent.

"He's always been there for me and has gotten me to where I am now," one recruit said of his father.

The recruits who didn't mention parents generally talked about their coaches instead.

"He's been with me through every step of this," one prospect said. "Whenever I had questions or felt uneasy, I went straight to him."
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Can see all of them here: http://footballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1379643

[CoCane]

A 16 team playoff with all conference winners recieving an automatic bid gives everyone a chance to win a title. You could use the BCS ratings to determine the 5 at large teams or a selection committee. Then only use conference title games for a tie breaker if necessary. With the usual 1-3 non BCS schools that are conference champs in the top 10-15, the BCS conference winners & the top 5 BCS teams that didn't win thier conference, You'll guaranteed to have the top 10 teams deserving to play for a title. I know the top team will kill the worst mid-major conference champ but at least they had thier shot.

You could also make 4 4 team brackets modeled after the NCAA basketball tourney.

I think 16 teams is the way to go. Jmo

[LB]

"I think 16 teams is the way to go."

As much I think 8 is best, 16 would be the most fun.

If someone like Eastern Michigan won the MAC and somehow beat a Florida State, imagine those jokes. Then we could compare and overanalyze recruiting rankings...

[SinisterCane]

It's not about loving or defending fsu CEO, its about Canes fans being in denial and having the nerve 2 constantly put down other programs like we won sumthin over the pass decade :(

Posted by: 4-Real | June 27, 2012 at 10:53 AM

How many bloggers have call for Morris's head

[LB]

"It's not about loving or defending fsu CEO, its about Canes fans being in denial and having the nerve 2 constantly put down other programs like we won sumthin over the pass decade :(

Posted by: 4-Real | June 27, 2012 at 10:53 AM

How many bloggers have call for Morris's head"

To be fair, the last time FSU won a title was 1999...

...two years before UM's nasty little spanking of Nebraska.

[Swami for CEO]

Hargreaves, I can't see him coming.

Posted by: herbieibis | June 27, 2012 at 1:00 AM

Your vision is not very good.

[Swami for CEO]

How many bloggers have call for Morris's head"

Posted by: LB | June 27, 2012 at 11:30 AM

FSU did not go to the CWS for seven years from 2001-2007. Where were the fans calling for Martin's head like UM fans were calling for Morris' head? Miami has not been in four years and they want someone fired.

[Swami for CEO]

It's not about loving or defending fsu CEO, its about Canes fans being in denial and having the nerve 2 constantly put down other programs like we won sumthin over the pass decade :(

Posted by: 4-Real | June 27, 2012 at 10:53 AM

And this is why Miami has been losing according to Da Skreetz and Al Golden. The fans and players are SOFT, weak and beaten down from losing.

Da Skreetz has told me several times that the reason Miami is losing is because the players don't have ANY hate in them.

They don't hate losing to other teams, they don't hate being beaten by the player across from them, they don't hate their opponent, or their mascot, or their stadium, or their coach or their fans, or their band and cheerleaders or ANYTHING.

Da Skreetz told me directly that it was HATE fueled Miami rise to prominence, dominance and their winning ways. He has said that until they get that HATE back the team will never win again.

Al Golden recently said something like this: "We need to stop apologizing for being Miami. We need to stop feeling sorry for ourselves."

Lebron James just said: "It's about damn time!" And he meant it and he is right.

It's about damn time for Miami's players and fans to man up, strap up and fill up a big 'ol bucket of hate and pour it on another team like the sorry azz Seminoles of FSU.

I HATE FSU!

THAT'S RIGHT: I SAID IT!

[LB]

I'm not a baseball fan at all. I reposted a comment above. I'm just saying that FSU has a longer drought of titlelessness (new word maybe) than UM. And that's very cool.

As for high level recruits/stargazing nonsense, Golden's got an excellent track record for 5 stars for his short tenure here. 2 in 2011 (Grimble/Chickillo) and two 2 in 2012 (Duke/Howard). If Golden wants someone and they're clean...

...even the Nick Sabans of the world have trouble stopping them from becoming a Hurricane.

"There IT is right there!"- CEO

[The What]

4-Real - I don't see Miami fans mocking FSU as a problem. Their drought for championships in major college sports is longer than ours. So to mock their CWS failures, or football or basketball failures is fair game. Whether you come in 2nd or 5th at the end of the day you still lost. It was great being the buffalo bills in their first super bowl by the fourth super bowl loss it was an embarrassment. That's what FSUs baseball team is.
If we were mocking Alabama or Kentucky (basketball) Or Arizona I would agree with you. But this is FSU and they have done nothing in 10 years so they suck and always will even if they ever manage to fill their cob webbed trophy case.

[Ohio_Cane]

Vernon Hargreaves - "Got love for the Canes !!!"

[Ohio_Cane]

CB Rashad Robinson - "Just got another offer #UM"

[CoCane]

My problem with college football is whats the point of the non BCS schools being considered on the same level of BCS conferences if they have 0 chance at a title? Wtf are they playing for???

[Ohio_Cane]

CB Rashad Robinson - "Just got another offer #UM"

Posted by: Ohio_Cane | June 27, 2012 at 12:20 PM
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Rashard**

Blanche Ely HS

[j.w.]

And this is why Miami has been losing according to Da Skreetz and Al Golden. The fans and players are SOFT, weak and beaten down from losing.

Da Skreetz has told me several times that the reason Miami is losing is because the players don't have ANY hate in them.

They don't hate losing to other teams, they don't hate being beaten by the player across from them, they don't hate their opponent, or their mascot, or their stadium, or their coach or their fans, or their band and cheerleaders or ANYTHING.

Da Skreetz told me directly that it was HATE fueled Miami rise to prominence, dominance and their winning ways. He has said that until they get that HATE back the team will never win again.

Al Golden recently said something like this: "We need to stop apologizing for being Miami. We need to stop feeling sorry for ourselves."

Lebron James just said: "It's about damn time!" And he meant it and he is right.

It's about damn time for Miami's players and fans to man up, strap up and fill up a big 'ol bucket of hate and pour it on another team like the sorry azz Seminoles of FSU.

I HATE FSU!

THAT'S RIGHT: I SAID IT!

Posted by: Swami for CEO | June 27, 2012 at 11:46 AM

Strong post, CEO

[herbieibis]

We've played lack-luster baseball for 4 years, so something has to change, if it's not Morris, then what? We haven't been hitting, pitching or fielding consistently. Maybe our player evaluations need to change. With the talent pool & weather in Florida, 40 wins should be attainable every year.
CEO, I'll agree on Hargreaves if we prove ourselves on the field, otherwise I can't see him coming here. I'll be glad to eat crow if he does, though!

[Ohio_Cane]

Papa Cane - Recruiting Update: Miami has just offered 2013 TE Kyle Chung, 6'4" and 255 lbs from Ponte Vedra

[Swami for CEO]

CEO, I'll agree on Hargreaves if we prove ourselves on the field, otherwise I can't see him coming here. I'll be glad to eat crow if he does, though!

Posted by: herbieibis | June 27, 2012 at 12:37 PM

Do U prefer baked, grilled or sauteed?

STAY HUNGRY MY FRIEND.

[Ohio_Cane]

Unless the NCAA deals the sanctions by February of next year (unlikely) and they're really bad (also unlikely), Hargreaves should be a Cane.

[UMike]

CEO, I'll agree on Hargreaves if we prove ourselves on the field, otherwise I can't see him coming here. I'll be glad to eat crow if he does, though!

Posted by: herbieibis | June 27, 2012 at 12:37 PM

Hargreaves coming here or not has nothing to do with what Miami does on the field..imo

[fran]

We have time maybe we can turn the little one in the last picture into a Hurricane softball player.
Never too early to offer LOL
Fran

[UMike]

Our business listing will be launched today..please pray for me (if praying is your thing) they we have a quick sale..would mean so much to my family!...I am going back into the workplace for now, but I will again be a business owner! lol

[LB]

"Do U prefer baked, grilled or sauteed?"

Baked!

(Insert cheap joke below)

[The What]

Best of luck UMike. Nothing better than running your own business. May you find great success and fulfillment from your endeavor.

[UMike]

The What..I appreciate it..and it has been great for the last few years,,and we will get back to it..just got to weather this storm.

[RCCF]

Before Skreetz Before Golden RCCF said Poor Fans Equal Poor Performance.....years ago..

RCCF12%canesdontpredictloses

[LB]

"Our business listing will be launched today..please pray for me (if praying is your thing) they we have a quick sale..would mean so much to my family!...I am going back into the workplace for now, but I will again be a business owner! lol"

I'll +1 that.

[Swami for CEO]

RCCF12%canesdontpredictloses

Posted by: RCCF | June 27, 2012 at 02:31 PM

NICE!

[Montreal-Cane]

8 teams would be ideal

[Montreal-Cane]

Thompson Enrolls, Will Miss 2012...Why?

From inside the U.

[Ohio_Cane]

Thompson Enrolls, Will Miss 2012...Why?

Posted by: Montreal-Cane | June 27, 2012 at 03:49 PM
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He's hurt. I dunno exact injury.

[3G Cane]

Posted by: Swami for CEO | June 27, 2012 at 11:46 AM
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GREAT POST.

I was about to summon the Golden Al "we need to man up and start acting like Miami Hurricanes again" speech. No more of this defeatist attitude, acting like we're not the most storied program in the state with the most hardware and accolades. The poor little private school w/o an on campus stadium that rose up to beat the giants of the college football establishment in embarrassing fashion, THIS IS WHO WE ARE SO OWN IT! The most hated yet most watched program in all CFB. Even though we've been down these other clown schools still cant hold our jocks. EMBRACE THE HATE! Let it wash over you and fuel you to dominate.

OK back to work.

BTW CEO, glad to hear you are doing better!

[CGNC]

Ok what am I missing? Poor fans means poor performance, the fans are soft, the fans need to man up? No. The athletic department needs to straighten out the teams\coaches. To say poor play is directly related to the fans is a BIT much.

[RCCF]

CGNC if fans dnt give a hoot and expect to lose then the playes will immulate just that....U expect a loss they accept a loss U boo whn they lose BET they wont be as carefree about losing like it or not thtz jus how it goes..or as I say if U not 12%ing why be a fan its fairweather to say oh I expect us to bt 10-2 or 8-4 wht fan realistic or not says tht..

RCCF12%orcheerelsewhere

[Sarasota 'cane]

I would like to see an 8 team playoff with the quarter-final games played on the home field of the teams with the best seeding. It also makes more sense to play the semi-final games at a home field, but I can live with the BCS bowl format for the semi and the National Championship games.
Not all fan bases are willing to travel twice during the post season. We can barely get our fan base to travel once in the post season! My two cents! ;-)

Go 'canes!

[herbieibis]

Look we have no on campus stadium. We have to play in caverness Dolphins stadium that seats probably 75 thou. and here we are with maybe 10,000 students. We're lucky if we put 40,000 in that canyon. As many ships as we have won and the money the school has made by us, skip to my looing all over these universities across the nation how in the hell is it that we don't have a stadium? What is there maybe 2 or 3 schools in the U.S. that don't have on campus stadiums? I wouldn't say we are poor fans, just bitter. Once we learned how to win and win big we became spoiled and just like any spoiled kid we pout when things don't go our way. We all keep thinking this is the year we're going to get back to the top and when we don't we revolt or vent, whichever. Patience isn't a virtue of mine, so it gets old, especially us taking a backseat continually to Va. tech, UNC and the rest of these basketball schools. If you would of told me it would be 8 years and counting with no ACC ship, I'd of said what witches brew you been drinking. Hell we have losing records to Mary, & NC St, since we joined this conference. The only teams that haven't beat us are Wake Florist, & Puke. Why should we at times be poor fans when we expect so much more. I see where Golden's taking us, so for now I'll just keep looking at the horizon because the Suns got to shine on us again some day!

[Swami for CEO]

EMBRACE THE HATE! Let it wash over you and fuel you to dominate.

Posted by: 3G Cane | June 27, 2012 at 04:00 PM

There IT is right there.

[Swami for CEO]

Ok what am I missing? Poor fans means poor performance, the fans are soft, the fans need to man up? No. The athletic department needs to straighten out the teams\coaches. To say poor play is directly related to the fans is a BIT much.

Posted by: CGNC | June 27, 2012 at 04:14 PM

What U are missing is everything! U are personally responsible for Miami losing. That's right, U and people like U are to blame.

Until U learn to man up (oops!) and strap up (hmmm?) and embrace the hate then we will keep losing.

There OK, U got it? GOOD! LOL

[Swami for CEO]

Herbie...for the LAST time there is nowhere to put a stadium on the UM campus.

And even if they could find a spot (they cant) Coral Gables Zoning would never clear it.

And there would be no place to park.

And traffic would be horrendous.

Other than that it would be great!

[Swami for CEO]

Our girl Kelly laying it down for the ACC:

http://video.theacc.com/1709658575001/ACC-NOW-June-27-2012/videos/

[NativeCane]

It's about damn time for Miami's players and fans to man up, strap up and fill up a big 'ol bucket of hate and pour it on another team like the sorry azz Seminoles of FSU.

I HATE FSU!

THAT'S RIGHT: I SAID IT!

Posted by: Swami for CEO | June 27, 2012 at 11:46 AM

YOWWW!!! You know I hate em too!!!
(Not real Seminoles, just the fake FSU kind)
LOLOL

Still got my #?
Let me know when you're coming.

Go Canes!!!

[Willie Will in Nashville]

RCCF,

Exactly!!!! 12% or get you another team is my motto!!!!! Every game both teams have a 50/50 chance, so if both teams have the same chance of winning and anything can happen in a game, why would you expect your team to lose. As the old saying goes "that's why we play the game"

[RCCF]

12% Willie Will 12%....to U who do it Keep your predictions to yourself We Cane fans Do Not wanna see U predict loses plain and simple we always talk about how it used to be so does not used to be also refer to how U support ie and I knw its a movie but alot of U are like the fan in Major League who expected loses up until the ship was rightd and tht my friends is wrong fyi nobody should have to preppd into expecting greatness out of tht U ask yourself why the 12% isnt 100% thtz a better question.....

RCCF12%whoswithme

[Hassan]

Thompson has a Torn Labrum (shoulder tear) and will undergo surgery. He was not going to play as a freshman for the FB team anyways coming this late in the game. He will be fine for BB season.

I HATE every team on our schedule and wake up hating UF.

[Hassan]

David had a stage 2 SLAP tear in his right shoulder repaired today with arthroscopic surgery.

Hopes that continued rest and therapy would resolve the problem were dashed when the MRI revealed the slap tear in the labrum.

It was a huge shock to David, his family, coaches, etc

Recovery is between 3 and 6 months.

It appears the tear occurred during a practice for the Semper Fi All-American game back in January. It was amazing that he played the entire high school baseball season with the tear.

Depending on his rehab, Thompson will make some practices in the latter part of the season or more likely will focus on being ready for baseball season in January. The goal is to be 100% for baseball.

[Ohio_Cane]

Papa Cane - Recruiting Update: CaneSport is reporting that 4-Star CB/S Mackensie Alexander, 5'11" and 175 lbs, has been offered by Miami. Elite talent.

[4-Real]

Donna E. Shalala became professor of Political Science & president of the University of Miami on June 1st, 2001. Since 2001 under Shalala, the University of Miami has......?

[TonyCane]

I hate every opponent.

I loathe any college that has beaten Miami. It takes at least 4 years of blowouts wins by the Canes before those teams can get back onto the just-hate list.

And for those who have inflicted embarassment upon the program - Ohio St (2002), Virginia (2007), Syracuse (1998), LSU (2005) - those teams are on a very, very special list. A few blowouts do not suffice. They must be beaten, and beaten again. With each devestating loss their program must be set back further and further until they are reduced to an afterthought.

That is the attitude that Miami needs to have back.

[TonyCane]

CEO, I am curious. What would you say was the cause for the Canes losing that killer instict? The previous regime in general? The fight with FIU? Tad Foote? Butch?

[orange 'n green in the vein]

/\/\/\

Expanded and gotten much nicer on campus facilities while getting even more highly regarded as a place of higher education. The Don isn't the place to lament the receding fortunes of the athletic programs, you stop that particular buck at the AD's office door.

RCCF and Willie Will, a pretty fair share of posters on here are alumni, so trying to place blame on those who paid the tuition and chipped in for the athletic scholarship rides offered during their time at UM isn't reasonable and telling them to go find another team is even less feasible. If somebody is taking an unbiased look at a Hurricane team's prospects for the year and doesn't see an easy stroll down an orange and green brick road to a title, you might not want to hear their opinion, but that doesn't mean they don't have a right to post it or that they're any less of a fan of their school for saying so.

The fact that the football team isn't the division favorite right now speaks more to Golden's failure to bring back key players on offense than it does to fan support lacking because a nice fall Saturday in Miami is so much more easily spent doing something more fun than watching a .500% middle of the road college team get seasoned the hard way.

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OGV I definitely undstnd where U are coming frm but the bottomline is when the fans start to accept marginal play then the players do as well they play to please themselves and the CANES in the stands and on millions of tvs....Michael Jordan said it best U gotta play every game like there is 1 person in the stands who NEVER saw U play live and they NEED to know U are REALLY the Truth....when the fans in attendance Expect a loss all of that is thrown out the window and marginalism is accepted and warranted remember they are kids they need nurturing jus like kids and when U take that frm them then U have wht we have ....take for instance if TXA&M who has suckd for awhile now accepted marginal play then would they still be selected to move to the SEC even tho record and all suck NO they got that because of past glory and fan support so again OGV I Truly undstnd where U are coming frm but my CANE friend U are Wrong..

RCCF12%

[mi@mic@ne]

Yes i see a disconnect for some reason about this lackadaisical attitude about competition. It used to be that when you stepped on the field there were no more friendly relationships. The other team became the enemy.

I was talking to a Miami fan the other day and we were talking about the Heat. And i was smiling and saying that the deflated the Okies and then in the last game they put it all together and destroyed them. I was laughing..by the look on the guys face it was like i was disrespecting Okie.Screw okie!!

Why is it that winning is no longer relished in? I love the old days when all we did was brag about the U. It was part of the whole culture. We used to live for another championship.

I dont know what it is but people no longer take this stuff personal. They can live in a disconnect from the field to life. Thats just a very boring way to live in my opinion. If your a champion you can walk about with your head held high for real.

You know we used to joke about the guy on the team who was voted caption as if that was a big deal. We just considered that bragging about being the water boy. There used to be a culture of winning in Miami. And when we were not winning we were all miserable and angry. Its time to get back to living on and off the field like winners and being proud of those memories.

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Its time to get back to living on and off the field like winners and being proud of those memories.
Posted by: mi@mic@ne | June 27, 2012 at 10:37 PM

Thtz Wht Im Talkn Bout....
the12%way
RCCF

[UMike]

Papa Cane - Recruiting Update: CaneSport is reporting that 4-Star CB/S Mackensie Alexander, 5'11" and 175 lbs, has been offered by Miami. Elite talent.

Posted by: Ohio_Cane | June 27, 2012 at 09:12 PM

Since we havent offered his twin brother..i doubt he comes here...I believe they want a package deal..

[The Dude]

I favor the 12 team playoff. All 6 major coference champs get in plus 6 at large. Top 4 of rankings get 1st round bye. Next 4 of ranking get home games. Then start the bowls.

[The Dude]

The attitude of the fan MEANS NOTHING! USC fans are just like Miami fans. USC is rolling right now, Miami is not. Right now the losses dont mean as much so people dont get as angry. Me being more pissed off after the 4-6 games per year we have been losing will NOT make Miami better. When you never lose, the losses matter more. Thats when people will get angry again. What will make Miami when again is coaching up those players into future 1st round picks.

[CaneRock]

Face it, Miami fans either want to watch a freak show, or they jump the bandwagon when a team has Championship promise:

17-0 Dolphins
Marino Era Dolphins
Heat with Wade and Shaq
Heat with Wade and James
Hurricanes back to back NC appearances
Both Marlins WS titles
Stanley Cup appearance by Panthers

[mi@mic@ne]

I still get angry when we lose. I put it in perspective but at the same time there is always someone to blame and a reason why we should not accept losing.

But like i said it feels much better to be happy because everyone is our dog. And life is fuller when you know your the one who can talk proudly. Its a culture. Im keeping the amount of time that we are losing because it matters to me.

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As a Die Hard Chicago BULLS fan I can all but Assure U the FANS play as much a role in winning as U would obviously never understand and as much as U ride those Okies ask them how much their fans play a role in the Chesapeake....miss me with tht its not the fans IT IS the FANS the kids can only channel so much out of themselves whn the ppl watching are lackluster and waiting or expecting a loss the moral is low on all ends which is automatic to a loss and then its a shock when U win and then when U continue to win U got the "I knew it all along ppl"....if U went to the U then U should knw better lead by example and start by STOPPING in predicting L's....

As a person who has never seen a game up close and personal I would think U take it way more serious than wht is shown on the surface OU sucks if U ask me but their fans NEVER expect to lose OSU sucks but their fans NEVER expect to lose we are the U and our fans predict L's something is wrong with tht and if U cant see tht as alum and superfans all I can say is the 12%Bus will ride on without predict your L's but don't come lookn for salutations when U are proven WRONG....

RCCF...U knw the rest

[orange 'n green in the vein]

RCCF, College Station TX fall Saturday =/= Miami FL fall Saturday for things to do. The fans of Miami who are expecting them to lose are the ones not at the stadium on any given game-day so blaming the fans who are die hard and will pay money to watch puzzling 1st and goal with the game on the line play-calling for a set of downs are not the problem. If fan support = championships, OKC would be holding the NBA title instead of barely avoiding a sweep and Notre Dame would have won something in the lifetime of a current NCAA football player.

[The Dude]

Those fans dont expect to lose because their teams are good. Michigan packs the house every Saturday. I am friends with several Michigan alumns. Trust me, they have been expecting losses for a long time now. Great fan support is one thing, it makes it tough on other teams to win in your house and it puts demands on sports front offices and athletic departments to win and generates a load of money for owners and universities etc. Killing yourself over not winning right away is just not for me bro. Its a game. Like I said, USC is probably the best team in the country going into next year and their fans dont care like say Alabamans or Floridians do. You can win w/o trees dying.

[Six]

Who is Vernon Hargreaves the 3rd?

Never heard of him

7-on-7s are coming up realll soon. Team Tampa headed down to IMG in Sarasota to compete. Cam Newton's camp is going to have some good players playing in it as well

Want to know just how insane recruiting has gotten and how the internet has helped kids tremendously? Two words .. Joey Ivie.

Went from a kid that was barely noticed, to a kid that had all the big schools throwing scholarships his way within a 4 month period (including Miami, which is funny, b/c he goes to Pasco High, the same school I was telling Art Kehoe about when talking to him about former QB Jacob Guy and how he should check him out - and Kehoe asked "where is that again?")

He went from a 1 star to a 4 star within those 4 months b/c of a powerlifting video he put on YouTube. He went from 245 lbs to 270 lbs in that time span. He's a Croc commit (Jacob Guy is also a Croc, he walked on)

"Ted" comes out tomorrow. Can't wait. "Spiderman comes out next week. Can't wait. "Dark Knight Rises" can't come out soon enough - been waiting forevah evah for that.

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Well OGV and the Dude U guys are obviously not the culprits but there are guilty parties of being Negative Nancies and they will be the 1st acting like they were there all along but all in all my stance for wht I see with my eyes doesnt change and sorry OU is NOT good and OSU is NOT good and TXA&M is NOT good and Michigan is NOT good....they dont Expect losses and U can take tht to the bank these Okies ride or die for their teams even in the worst times....No fan support did not get OKC a championship ring BUT it did carry them to the finals No fan support did NOT get Chicago its 7th ring but it got them #1 in the NBA 2yrs straight and thtz with injured stars and beating teams with a fully equipped bench so its a tomato tomatoe situation Im not tryn to argue I jus want U to explore all avenues and undstnd tht predicting L's in NOT a good look and it is NOT justifiable..

RCCF12%caneinOKC

[LB]

"Papa Cane - Recruiting Update: CaneSport is reporting that 4-Star CB/S Mackensie Alexander, 5'11" and 175 lbs, has been offered by Miami. Elite talent."

If he wants to come, great. If not, I doubt anyone except "the gazers" will lose much sleep. Our secondary will be FINE.

In fact, passing the ball vs. UM may soon turn to hell on earth. The possibilities are downright frightening.

[Ohio_Cane]

Since we havent offered his twin brother..i doubt he comes here...I believe they want a package deal..

Posted by: UMike | June 27, 2012 at 10:50 PM
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While that would seem like the general concensus, it may not be the case behind closed doors.

Even so, if that is the case, Golden knows and wouldn't offer unless he's going to offer the other one, or thinks he'll come without the other one.

[The What]

It was the same thing with that linebacker last year (I forget his name). He wanted a package deal and golden refused due to so many needs.

I'm confused but since when does predicting a loss mean anything other than a fan being realistic. If this were the 2001 class no one would predict a loss. Unfortunately it's not, we are in rebuild mode, lack depth, are very young, have an unproven qb, at best a 4 win offense according to reports from da skreetz, question marks at the o-line and the d-line, question marks at the tight end position. I can go on and on. Predicting losses for a team with the above question marks is not lacking in fandom or being a cane die hard. It's simply being realistic when looking at teams that have less question marks than we do. When a portion of those questions are answered (not all of them) then I like I believe many others on here would go 12-0 and NC all day. But until then i will let my brain do the predicting and not my heart.

[CGNC]

Donna E. Shalala became professor of Political Science & president of the University of Miami on June 1st, 2001. Since 2001 under Shalala, the University of Miami has......?

Posted by: 4-Real | June 27, 2012 at 09:38 PM

been trying to become the Harvard of the South. LOL, 4 Real.

[The What]

So toxicology reports about the man who ate the other mans face are in and all they found in his system was marijuana. Either they screwed up the toxicology examination or he took something not detectable?

[herbieibis]

From what I've read & heard we aren't taking but one CB. If the sanctions don't come down until after signing day I can't see us taking but one CB, unless we are going to pre-pay our debt.
I think the coaching staff the last few years Dopey was here just got to complacent, stopped working hard and just figured we'd win regardless and it has just snow balled until Golden got here. Changing a culture and attitudes takes a weeding out process, that we probably won't see the full affects of until 2014, just in time to be one of the final 4. So, for at least the next couple of years, we will have to ride the rollercoaster, that is our Miami Hurricanes.

[Ohio_Cane]

Either they screwed up the toxicology examination or he took something not detectable?

Posted by: The What | June 28, 2012 at 09:53 AM
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Last time I read on the subject, I believe it said "Bath Salts" are not detectible in a toxicology screening.

[Ohio_Cane]

Supreme Court upholds Obamacare.

[LB]

"Donna E. Shalala became professor of Political Science & president of the University of Miami on June 1st, 2001. Since 2001 under Shalala, the University of Miami has......?

Posted by: 4-Real | June 27, 2012 at 09:38 PM

been trying to become the Harvard of the South. LOL, 4 Real."

And doing a pretty good job at it. I'm not a fan of hers, but the academic ranking is evidence enough.

"From what I've read & heard we aren't taking but one CB. If the sanctions don't come down until after signing day I can't see us taking but one CB, unless we are going to pre-pay our debt."

I've read that, but I don't think it's necessarily true. Furthermore, some CB's are actually projected by UM as safeties (which we desperately need: Armstrong, Telemaque, and Swasey are all seniors). There is also a report out there that the sanctions may not strike until after NSD.

[Old Skool]

NYTimes movie reviewer panning Ted for being boring and unoriginal ...

If Triumph the Insult Dog ever got a hold of Ted, there would be nothing left but a pile of fluff and a few scraps of fur.

[Swami for CEO]

And for those who have inflicted embarassment upon the program - Ohio St (2002), Virginia (2007), Syracuse (1998), LSU (2005) - those teams are on a very, very special list. A few blowouts do not suffice. They must be beaten, and beaten again. With each devestating loss their program must be set back further and further until they are reduced to an afterthought.

That is the attitude that Miami needs to have back.

Posted by: TonyCane | June 27, 2012 at 09:46 PM

There IT is right there.

[Swami for CEO]

CEO, I am curious. What would you say was the cause for the Canes losing that killer instict? The previous regime in general? The fight with FIU? Tad Foote? Butch?

Posted by: TonyCane | June 27, 2012 at 09:47 PM

I cannot pinpoint the blame on any one person or thing but I can tell U what Da Skreetz said (transalated version):

"These currents (current players) will walk through an opponents warm ups and act like it's a family reunion or something, talkin and huggin with their bois from da hood. Damn straight the ONLY reason a former Cane during my years would walk through another teams warms up and I don't care who it was on the other side was to start a brawl and U better be ready to throw down. I lost more friends from the 305 once they went to another team because orange and green blood and The U family is stronger than any friendship from the past. I hated them bois as much as anyone one else on any other team. Once U strapped the U helmet on it was war and they were the enemy. Plain and simple."

[Swami for CEO]

Expanded and gotten much nicer on campus facilities while getting even more highly regarded as a place of higher education. The Don isn't the place to lament the receding fortunes of the athletic programs, you stop that particular buck at the AD's office door.

Posted by: orange 'n green in the vein | June 27, 2012 at 10:15 PM

Agree 100% on this. Donna gets a lot of heat from the fans but that is misplaced IMHO. She truly loves college athletics and wants to win championships too but she still believes that it can be done the right way. Whether that is true or not remains to be seen and sqaurely rests on the shoulders of one person: Al Golden.

[Swami for CEO]

WURD ON DA SKREETZ IZ:

1. Whats this im hearin bout Miami needs on campus stadium to bring more fans. That sh$# aint goin to bring more out. The same peoples sayin they aint goin to see a game a Dolphins crib will come up with another excuse why they aint slidin to games.

2. If a ballah puts his decision on needin a full crib to ballout aint what Miami wants. Boiz should come to Miami for the tradition, bein part of a real family and knowin every f n school hates Miami and dont give a f they do. Bein real and not sure fans like hearin this but THE BIGGEST factor is the preperation and respect NFLU shows for Miami ballahs. You get scouts watchin all the time, the greatest to ever gear up come back to get their grind on, other ballahs from the NFL come here to grind.

3. You can walk up to Killah, RawLew, JimmyG, Shock, BMc, Portis, Edge, Dre, Santana, RegWayne, Rolle as well as others and talk to them bout life, the grind and dedication. To f n bad them boiz of the last 5+years listened bout flip and ignored the torture them boiz went through to be great in college.

4. By havin these camps with ex ballahs helpin and showin up at practices to show dap and support the family, these boiz figurin its what you do in grindtime now that leads to greatness at the next level.

5. Some of us goons preachin that HATE anytime we see them boiz. Sh$#, teams want to play Miami now. That HAS TO and WILL change. Even time to get Sebastian The Ibis into some good mascot brawls lol

[Old Skool]

It's a pity these funds won't be coming from the PSU football budget. Nonetheless, if a restitution/compensation fund gets set up, expect more victims to come forward.

“The university plans to invite victims of Mr. Sandusky’s abuse to participate in a program to facilitate the resolution of claims against the university arising out of Mr. Sandusky’s conduct,” Rodney Erickson, Penn State’s president, said in the statement.

The message seemed obvious: the university wanted to avoid more embarrassment and criticism in civil court for not having done more to identify Sandusky as a threat to children by dealing with his victims “privately, expeditiously and fairly.”

Otherwise, with judgments and appeals, this could go on for years.

[Swami for CEO]

SKREETZ WALKIN...

1. Ite bruh, this boi gotz to answer this. There WILL be more then 1 CB in this class. Remember just cause someone is listed as a CB dont mean sh$#, 75% of these boiz have been used as WR durin practices. I would expect 1 or 2 of the currents to slide over to the O.

2. If you a 1 spot ballah that boi is a badazz pimp at that spot. Yah, still gotz a few that stay at 1 position cause they aint ever goin to see the field any f n way lol.

3. Al is currently goin through scout, rivals and espn to see who is rated 4 or 5*s and will dump those that arent. How did Miami fans like the way Coker recruited cause thats how that foolie did sh$#.

4. When this boi sayin 4 win O I aint meanin thats all Miami goin to win. Im sayin the O has a very long way to go before the playbook getz opened up. Fisch wants that quick route flowin O with solid runnin game and occasional deepz. Thats a Ryan type O but boi cant have his apple bag shrinkin when pressure is on. Morris needs to tighten up his snap throws and quit puttin the head down and tuck and run. Keep them eyez downfield cause boiz are open.

4. Dewey lookin ite under pressure and is understandin the playbook alot better. Yah, could be a solid future starter, just gotz to get some meat on that skinny azz boi. Crow wont be outworked by anyone, aint scared of competin against anyone. That boi is an intense m fer lol.

5. Last bout recruitin. Stop worryin bout DL and OL peoples. Its under control and done with. Next round of questions, thank you lol

[Swami for CEO]

Be that as it may, Wilder failed to do what the law asked of him. This morning, he entered a plea in Leon County Court accepting responsibility for his actions. As a result, he will finish his final three days of an 11-day jail sentence and complete two more anger management classes.

Additionally, Wilder’s attorney, Tim Jansen, told the Orlando Sentinel that his client’s probation has been extended to either September or October.

Had Wilder not agreed to the plea, he could have spent another couple of weeks in prison.

“Under the circumstances, he couldn’t afford to just sit in jail and wait; to wait for another hearing,” Jansen said. “It was basically in his best interest to get the case resolved.”

Wilder was initially arrested on a pair of felony charges stemming from an incident that initially began as an attempt by the police to arrest his girlfriend this past February. Wilder pleaded no contest in early April to a misdemeanor charge of resisting an officer without violence.

[Ohio_Cane]

CGNC and Canesteeler - Crosby signed contract extension for 12 years, $104.4 mil. YES!

Who got next? I say Parise, then Suter.