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July 23, 2012

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Old Skool

Okay

Old Skool

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/23/us/pennsylvania-penn-state-ncaa/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Penn State University will be hit with fines in excess of $30 million as part of "significant, unprecedented penalties" expected to be announced Monday by the National Collegiate Athletic Association, a source familiar with the case told CNN on Sunday.

While the school's football program will not face the so-called "death penalty" that would have prevented the team from playing in the fall, the school might have preferred a one-year suspension because of the severity of the scholarship losses, postseason sanctions and other penalties, the source said.

longtimecanefan

3 spot!!

Ohio_Cane

PSU just got hammered, but no death penalty.

TJL

4 year bowl ban- 60MM fine-loss of schollys-guys can transfer now and be eligible--LETS GO GET SOME OF THEM!!

Old Skool

WHAM

"The NCAA imposed a $60 million sanction on the university, which is equivalent to the average gross annual revenue of the football program. These funds must be paid into an endowment for external programs preventing child sexual abuse or assisting victims and may not be used to fund such programs at the university. The sanctions also include a four-year football postseason ban and a vacation of all wins from 1998 through 2011. The career record of former head football coach Joe Paterno will reflect these vacated records. Penn State must also reduce 10 initial and 20 total scholarships each year for a four-year period. In addition, the NCAA reserves the right to impose additional sanctions on involved individuals at the conclusion of any criminal proceedings."

Ohio_Cane

Loss of 10 scholarships per year for 4 years. Wow.

Ohio_Cane

PSU has to vacate all wins from 1998-2011. I think JoePa just lost his record of wins in a career.

Old Skool

I believe Bobby Bowden is now the football coach with the most Division 1 wins again

dg

My goodness....this is a death penalty

CaneRock

Like Emmert said, these punishments don't erase what happened. At the end of the day, NOBODY WON!

But one of the things that I take issue with, is the suggestion that the NCAA had mechanisms to deal with a tragedy of this magnitude ALL ALONG. How can you suggest that, and say this is "unprecedented" at the same time...they can't have it both ways.

Pbcfrcane13

Well seeing this I see 2-3 year bowl ban for UM loss of 5 scholarships for 3 years fine of all bowl money from 2002-2010 and probhation for 3 years....Just a wild guess.

TJL

They say if anyone wants to leave they will be eligible right away. They also say those players transferring in will NOT count against your scholly limit!

Q

Congrats to Bobby Bowden. I know..i know but hey its only right. what does this mean for Miami and their upcoming sanctions

Pbcfrcane13

Btw if I was PSU I would have rather taken the one year death hit than all this

Old Skool

Likely statement from the Joe Paterno family to be released later today

"This is a vast overreach by the NCAA. Vacating the wins of Joe Paterno does not serve the victims of Jerry Sandusky's horrible crimes or help heal the Penn State Community.

Accepting the Freeh report as the definitive conclusion on the Sandusky scandal is wrong.
Joe Paterno has never had a hearing; his legal counsel has never been able to interview key witnesses and there has never been an opportunity to review critical evidence which has not been made public. The selective evidence and opinion of Mr Freeh has treated as the equivalent of a fair trial."

86Cane

Penn State goes down hard. Still nobody wins here.

orange 'n green in the vein

So Pedo State didn't beat UM in '99 now when I was a sophomore? Great!

Lost amongst this is if there hadn't been a coverup, NCAA does nothing here. Which is why UM isn't getting more than another bowl ban and a handful of scholarships reduced thanks to their compliance with the investigation.

86Cane

OGV...agree complete.


Felipe

One penn state kid just decommitted. That fast.

CaneRock

Let's see, 40 lost schollies, plus attrition, gives you what...

Felipe

80 scholarships, 109-112 wins, 4 years of bowl games, $60million.

But some Felon said Miami players got special benefits & some guy named Sean Allen said "what's up" to a Miami recruit and called it recruiting, ergo Charles Robinson grinds a fish story of an axe all over Miami for 2+years.

Get a life Robinson.

TJL

Let's see, 40 lost schollies, plus attrition, gives you what...

Posted by: CaneRock | July 23, 2012 at 09:59 AM

Gives U FAU

Felipe

Worth noting that it isn't 40 schollies but "10 initial plus 20 per year for 4 years" = 80 or 90. USC was what 10 per year? Can overcome that, not 20.

TonyCane

What I fear is that the NCAA, unable to technically declare a violation on Penn State, decides to go Roger Godell on Miami and really crack down. A sanction akin to:

- 5 year bowl ban (less 1 year for self-imposed)
- 10 scholarships deducted per year, for 5 years.
- All victories between 2002 and 2010 forfeight
- Miami is obliged to return all money from bowls during this period.
- Probation for 10 years

Posted by: TonyCane | July 21, 2012 at 03:04 PM

Pretty close to what Penn State actually got!

Ohio_Cane

Jorge Milian - Al Golden told me today he plans on deciding on a starting quarterback as early as Aug. 12 and no later than Aug. 19.

CaneRock

Worth noting that it isn't 40 schollies but "10 initial plus 20 per year for 4 years" = 80 or 90. USC was what 10 per year? Can overcome that, not 20.

Posted by: Felipe | July 23, 2012 at 10:08 AM

I thought Emmert said that PSU would go from the NCAA limit of 25 scholarships, to 15 for the next four seasons.

orange 'n green in the vein

The old, "The NCAA is so mad at PSU they're going to make Miami, Florida stop playing football," routine TC? Looks like they were plenty mad at PSU actually.

The other thing differentiating this and Southern Cal is that PSU won't have the ability to delay through appeal the onset of penalties, thus feeling the effects almost immediately where Kiffen was able to offset the penalties with some smart early enrollments in between appeals so that he's loaded for a title run with only some depth questions should injuries arise as their weak-point instead of roster attrition at the top making them not have enough talent in the starting lineup to compete at the highest level.

Felipe

CaneRock: "Penn State must also reduce 10 initial and 20 total scholarships each year for a four-year period.

The scholarship reductions mean that Penn State's roster will be capped at 65 scholarship players within a couple of seasons. The normal scholarship limit for major college football programs is 85. Playing with 20 less is crippling to a program that tries to compete at the highest level of the sport."

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8191027/penn-state-nittany-lions-hit-60-million-fine-4-year-bowl-ban-wins-dating-1998

The verbiage is just laced with legalese but in essence I guess, it's (85 x 4) - (65 x 4) = 340 - 260 = 80.

herbieibis

Okay, PSU got the Sledge hammer. Just think in 4 years, they'll have 45 scholarship players on they're roster, maybe. Who in they're right mind would want to go their and play. No chance at a bowl and definetly, no chance at a ship. This will serve as a notice to all universities, not to try & sweep stuff under the carpet for the sake of the football team. They would have been better off with the death penalty for 2 years & got it over with. This penalty is nothing more than slow death.
It's sort of funny how we've gone almost a year, since we got word of Nevin Shapiro and nothing new has been brought up and here we go again, right before we start Fall practice and new stuff comes out. I'll never believe the Golden one had anything to do with all this mess but Barrow having been part of Dandy's staff quit possibly could have gotten caught up in this mess. Regardless, I don't think this latest crap will have any affect on what we are going to get. We"ll at least lose 15 schollies over 3 years and at worst a 2 year bowl ban, one of which we have already served.
This new stuff can only cause this mess to drag out even further but hopefully it will only turn out to be a ruse.
I do look for us to lose Collins. His mug was plastered on Warchant last week, talking about how close he was to Coach Gran. We need to bring in at least 2 quality RB's.
Speaking on location of talent. Lsu is in a great spot because there is no other univ. to compete with them for talent in the state. In Alabama, you have Bama & Auburn. In Ohio, you have OSU and really no other univ. to compete with them. USC & Notre Dame have always recruited Nationally, and out West, what team other than USC has sustained any level of success over the last 15 years, maybe Oregon to a certain degree. Texas very rarely goes outside for they're talent. Oakie goes to Texas to get half they're players because of all the talent in the state of Texas. We've always recruited So. Flo. well but we also have gone up the East coast and recruited well, especially in New Jersy. That has changed in the last 4 or 5 years. We really don't need to go far because our talent is sleeping in our backyard, all except maybe the line positons & QB. Until this issue of sanctions is resolved, Golden will be fighting an up hill battle recruiting. So far he has done pretty good but i'd really like to see what he can do with a full deck of cards.
Lastly, Armstrong's pop must be moron, the dudes had way to many chances and kept playing Russian roulet and finally cut his own self.

CaneRock

CaneRock: "Penn State must also reduce 10 initial and 20 total scholarships each year for a four-year period.

The scholarship reductions mean that Penn State's roster will be capped at 65 scholarship players within a couple of seasons. The normal scholarship limit for major college football programs is 85. Playing with 20 less is crippling to a program that tries to compete at the highest level of the sport."

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8191027/penn-state-nittany-lions-hit-60-million-fine-4-year-bowl-ban-wins-dating-1998

The verbiage is just laced with legalese but in essence I guess, it's (85 x 4) - (65 x 4) = 340 - 260 = 80.

Posted by: Felipe | July 23, 2012 at 10:30 AM

Thanks, and WHOOOOOOOO!...yeah, they're PHUCKED! So in essence, they have to cut 10 players this season, am I right?

The What

Penn state is now what temple was before al golden got there. Penn state should have self inflicted the DEath penalty for 2 years. They would have been better off. I really hope golden can get some of these players. It's his neck of the woods so hopefully it will help with our depth issues.

Soup - great article. Two questions come to mind.
Is the talent down in Florida hence the low rankings or is the talent so spread out between the big three that they are negating each others ability for a high rank according to these sites?

Ohio_Cane

Worth noting that it isn't 40 schollies but "10 initial plus 20 per year for 4 years" = 80 or 90. USC was what 10 per year? Can overcome that, not 20.

Posted by: Felipe | July 23, 2012 at 10:08 AM
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Where did U see this? I read 10 scholarship reduction per year for 4 years.

Ohio_Cane

Felipe, sorry I didn't refresh the page before asking that question.

Thanks for the link.

orange 'n green in the vein

Al Golden will not touch a current roster player for PSU. Keep dreaming if you think he's seizing this opportunity to pick his alma matter's bones clean. Who do even want off that rebuilding team, Sean Carson? Glenn Stanley? There's not much there that can help a program instantly.

The What

Oh and the fact that the psu story completely drowned out goldens press conference is a victory for golden and Miami against Charles Robinson. His plan back fired. :-)

orange 'n green in the vein

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Of course I mean Glenn Carson or Sean Stanley. See what I mean? Even the good players aren't good enough to get their names right.

The Dude

Worse than the death penalty! More like a slow death penalty, but hey, they truely got what they deserved. F JoePa! Creep.

Old Skool

No matter how unsavory the situation, the jokes should be coming soon like ... How many Penn State coaches does it take to screw in a shower?

The What

I hope the NCAA takes advantage of this opportunity to clean up college sports. Where if you have players getting arrested consistently will lead to a punishment. Some how though I don't think they will.

Anyone see the ncaa13 commercial where the Ohio state kid has Desmond Howard on Ohio state. Hahahahahahahaha. Great commercial.

CaneRock

This is the comment that concerns me as far as our investigation is concerned. I don't see a hint of discernment in it...

Mark Emmert: "Football will never again be placed ahead of educating, nurturing and protecting young people," Emmert said.

TJL

hate to change the subject-anyone been to the USVI St Thomas-St Croix? Me & the Mrs are heading there Friday for a week-looking for places to go other than the usual tourist traps, we like to go native when we travel-Thanks

Old Skool

TJL

Here's a start

Go to Cousins Restaurant in Charlotte Amelia, St. Thomas for local food which can be very good. Warning: do not drink Mobi, it tastes like cough syrup. Do not order mannish water unless you're feeling particularly macho: that's goat head soup.

The diary over next to the golf course makes some killer milk shakes.

The ferry to St. John is worth it, particularly the ride back at night.

Old Skool

The best restaurant in St. Thomas: The Agave Terrace, good view too.

TJL

Thank you Old Skool!

Old Skool

Another recommendation, if you're going to rent a car, see if you can get an English one. I find it easier to drive on the left when I'm sitting on the wrong side of the car.

Old Skool

Dam
James Holmes dyed his hair to match the Jokers

UpNorthCane

Whats going on canespacers!!!!

Penn St got what it deserved but i do feel for Bill O'brien but then again the guy is in no rush to win immediatley at Penn St now, so he can take his time..


Any updates or rumblings about Artie Burns and jamal carter announcements today?

Ohio_Cane

This is the comment that concerns me as far as our investigation is concerned. I don't see a hint of discernment in it...

Mark Emmert: "Football will never again be placed ahead of educating, nurturing and protecting young people," Emmert said.

Posted by: CaneRock | July 23, 2012 at 11:32 AM
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However, the silver lining I guess would be that there's no way our sanctions are as bad as PSU's. Shouldn't even be close, IMO.

Ohio_Cane

UpNorth, this is from Papa Cane - "Reminder: 2013 4-Star Safety/CB Artie Burns will be announcing today at 3 p.m. EST at Miami Northwestern. Expect Miami."

UpNorthCane

That idiot died his hair to match the joker? last time i checked jokers hair was green..... This kid is a scumbag and forever changed the lives of so many families. it is unfair and a cruel world we live in.

j.w.

What I fear is that the NCAA, unable to technically declare a violation on Penn State, decides to go Roger Godell on Miami and really crack down. A sanction akin to:

- 5 year bowl ban (less 1 year for self-imposed)
- 10 scholarships deducted per year, for 5 years.
- All victories between 2002 and 2010 forfeight
- Miami is obliged to return all money from bowls during this period.
- Probation for 10 years

Posted by: TonyCane | July 21, 2012 at 03:04 PM

Pretty close to what Penn State actually got!

Posted by: TonyCane | July 23, 2012 at 10:14 AM

Don't think anyone will be hit as hard as Penn State for a long, long time. Whatever mistakes UM made with boosters or telephone calls couldn't possibly be punished as badly as PSU if the NCAA wants anyone to take it seriously.

raizecane


hate to change the subject-anyone been to the USVI St Thomas-St Croix? Me & the Mrs are heading there Friday for a week-looking for places to go other than the usual tourist traps, we like to go native when we travel-Thanks

Posted by: TJL | July 23, 2012 at 11:38 AM

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TJL - I have not been to those locations but I would suggest tripadvisor.com. I have used that web site and found it to be very helpful.

Ohio_Cane

Pretty close to what Penn State actually got!

Posted by: TonyCane | July 23, 2012 at 10:14 AM
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Politically and ethically, the NCAA can't give us anywhere close to what PSU got. Can U imagine the backlash they'd get from both sides if they did?

They'd be linking child rape, molestation and cover-up from the most powerful people at PSU, to kids getting free bowling, yacht rides, etc. at UM.

Can't and won't happen.

CGNC

Hi everyone! Let's see within 24 hours, Six's place gets vandalised, Penn State gets a slow death penalty (which they deserved) and the Paterno family is complaining about the removal of wins from Joe Pa's record. Sounds like that family will never get it. Wow.

Old Skool

The Big 10's punishment for PSU

Penn State will not be allowed to participate in the Big Ten conference title game for the same four years in which it is banned from post season bowl games by the NCAA. Penn State will also not be allowed to share in the conference's bowl revenues for those four years, about a $13 million hit, according to a Big Ten press release. That money will be donated to children's charities, the release said.

Old Skool

That's an interview with Pater(Don't)No.

tallycane

With them picking Miami to finish 5th in the coastal this year I feel like we have been spit on with that ranking. Damon we need a good solid year this year. I know we have the coaches and talent just need to execute.

tallycane

Damn not Damon**

Ohio_Cane

Susan Miller-Degnan - UM Coach @GoldenAl told me about Seantrel Henderson: "He did show up late [to summer session]. Significantly late.'' But @GoldenAl also said of Seantrel: "Seantrel is having a great summer.'' He's sticking by him for sure.

j.w.

When does Golden speak today? I thought I saw 4:15 but I can't seem to find it anywhere.

Ohio_Cane

Miller-Degnan: Fr LB Josh Witt, who missed #UM #Canes spring ball, has major concussion issues and will not play at Miami. I believe his UM career is over. Good kid. I feel bad for him.

3G Cane

Sad to hear about Witt, I was looking forward to seeing his progression over the next few years but you cant mess around with your melon.

herbieibis

I'm ready to dosed! Hurry up NCAA, I'm tired of waiting.

UpNorthCane

Damn horrible news about WITT but at least hell get his education and stick with the team in some form or fashion im sure.....

Opens up another scholly though

Ohio_Cane

Joe Schad - PSU will have 10 less initial scholarships to offer each year for four years (total loss of 40). PSU will also have four year period where they must be at a maximum of 65 scholarship players (20 under standard limit)

CaneRock

Miller-Degnan: Fr LB Josh Witt, who missed #UM #Canes spring ball, has major concussion issues and will not play at Miami. I believe his UM career is over. Good kid. I feel bad for him.

Posted by: Ohio_Cane | July 23, 2012 at 01:29 PM

Wow, that sucks, and He's a true Frosh at that.

Q

Wow. I was rooting for him. Now with the loss of him and rr that opens up two schollies

Ohio_Cane

Artie Burns commits in 8 minutes. Would be shocked if it's not Canes.

orange 'n green in the vein

The real shame is that Witt was an early enrollment which would have counted against '11 recruiting totals and now won't. There wasn't a worthless deadweight high school phenom bust from Southern Cal this year we could have wasted that scholly on instead?

UpNorthCane

Artie Burns news????

THE MAN

Am I the only one who thinks it's complete BS to impose penalties on a bunch of kids and coaches that had absolutely NOTHING to do with the Penn St scandal? That's the sh!tty thing about the NCAA, it's always penalizing people who had nothing to do with it instead of who actually did it. I guess it's hard when the people are gone, but there has to be some way to punish the people who actually were involved.

Q

This is from Ryan hill..got it from procanes I don't know all the details exactly but what I do know is that yahoo sports is usually always dead on it. If it it's true what they are reporting about Al golden, the university of miami should fire him where he stands. To think that this was a guy who hurricanes could put trust in to restore our program to what it once was, after he just dismissed a great player an leader in Ray Ray Armstrong now it seems he is just as guilty as that young man. I can only hope that there is some false accusations against him, but like I said if this is to be found true, the university has a big decision to make. " HOW CAN WE AS A UNIVERSITY, ALUMNI AND COMMUNITY EXPECT OUR YOUNG MEN TO DEVELOP INTO MATURE, HONEST YOUNG STUDENT ATHLETES WHO ARE HELD AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF ACCOUNTABILITY IF THE HEAD OF OUR ORGANIZATION IS THE EXACT OPPOSITE??? "

Ohio_Cane

Artie Burns news????

Posted by: UpNorthCane | July 23, 2012 at 03:04 PM
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Announcement any minute now. Will post as soon as he says it.

Ohio_Cane

ARTIE BURNS TO UM!!

YESSSSSS!

UpNorthCane

NICEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!


And Q In Golden we trust!!!!!!!!!!

raizecane

The Man - as long as the NCAA punishes the innocent because the guilty are gone, there will always be wrong doings going on.

The NCAA is so "ass backwards" it's not even funny. Do you think for one minute a player on a team today gives a hoot what happens to a player 6 years down the road??? HELL NO!!!!! Do I know what the answer is?..No....but the current system needs some serious changes.

raizecane

Q - if ya aint cheat'n....you aint trying....lol.

CGNC

Posted by: THE MAN | July 23, 2012 at 03:04 PM

LOL - yes you would be the only one. Its always the actions of a few that cause the suffering of many. The University allowed this, therefore the University must pay. Simple, really. Football should never be at the expense of a kid molested by a pedophile

Ohio_Cane

Papa Cane - Yes Miami Hurricanes fans, Coach Golden has rebuilt the Miami Northwestern pipeline. Next target is Jamal Carter. Expect Miami as well.

86Cane

Burns baby! Not a shocker, but still feels good!

Q

That wasnt from me. I trust Al golden 100%. That was Ryan hill..ex cane. I believe in coach golden all the way.

UpNorthCane

Our secondary is going to be something else in the near future.....

UpNorthCane

Q my fault no wonder i was left waiting for what Ryan Hill said in your post...my fault bro


But def i believe in golden all the way also.

86Cane

Haven't been blogging last few days, needed some time off. In Anna Maria island with the wife relaxing.

UpNorthCane

All i had to read again was this " Yahoo is usually dead on their news" from Ryan hill., to officially know he is a dumbass.

herbieibis

If we get Carter, then what about Hargreaves & Alexander. I thought we weren't going after but 2 DB's. Somebody mentioned that we might only sign 15-18 kids. I myself think we sign at least 20. We have 9 now. Still out there:
Grace
Thomas
Kirkland
Kearse
Whitfield
Hargreaves
Mek. Alexander
Sherit
Bain
Sedat
T. Williams
G. Williams
These are probably our main targets and of course we wouldn't get all of them but who of this group do you think would be locks for us. Also, if Collins bolts, who would be a back-up plan at RB?

Ohio_Cane

Herbie, if we get Carter, the secondary for Miami is done for this year.

UpNorthCane

I think we definatley land......

Grace
Thomas
kirkland
Bain
T.Williams
Sheritt
and Hargreaves as a surprise

UpNorthCane

Ohio you dont think that if Hargreaves wants in we wnt get him in? i think Carter is in also, but at the end hargreaves becomes part of this class. He's just waiting to see the product on the field.

herbieibis

Ohio, We couldn't turn Hargreaves down, even if we get Carter. I believe, someone told me that Hargreaves was a lock to us, when I mention on a previous post, that I thought he would be a Gator.

raizecane


All i had to read again was this " Yahoo is usually dead on their news" from Ryan hill., to officially know he is a dumbass.

Posted by: UpNorthCane | July 23, 2012 at 03:35 PM

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Up....normally I would agree with you but here is why I am a little worried about this story. If you are familiar with Bill King, he is someone who probably knows more about college football than most of us combined. Anyway, before he worked for 24/7, he was with Rivals for many years. When the Miami story first broke, I heard him say that Yahoo does a VERY GOOD job when it somes to this stuff and if there is a story, they will find it.

Yahoo is the one that broke the USC / Reggie Bush story and a few others as well and have been spot on each time. I just hope that is not the case with Al Golden.....

UpNorthCane

Understanding raizecane and i def see what yoru saying......but was it "hackjob" charles robinson who broke the USC story? idk who it was but i doubt it was robinson his initial story on UM has faltered and i feel he needed a lil boost of publicity.

but your right raize, i trust godlen and hope he didnt have any knowledge of it.

Ohio_Cane

I'm going under the assumption Hargreaves is a Cane. That's what I meant by if Carter commits, the secondary is done.

VHIII will be a Cane.

raizecane

Up - it does appear that "hackjob" (that cracks me up) did break the story -

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ys-bushprobe

UpNorthCane

geeezzz raize lol i was hoping he didn't after i sent that post lol....

86Cane

Ohio...U sure know a lot about recruiting! LOL

Ohio_Cane

Golden may be inferring that they make take a transfer or 2 from PSU:

Miller-Degnan - Al Golden said he's not at 85 schollies now -- "I don’t think we’re at 85, we’re at 83 or 84'' (re PSU kids)

86Cane

UpNorth...when Hill said that U knew he was being paid.

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