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July 16, 2012

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jerry

The death penalty would be a light punishment!!! We got almost killed for limo rides and some bounties paid for in game hits etc.
By the way I miss the Jerome Brown RIP days at the U !!!!!

roachcane77

From the previous blog...
As usual Solar, I respect and agree with your opinion Sir.

I like the quote from an earlier post...

The other day I was listening to a talk show host who said, "if we don't punish Penn State then Paterno and his friends will have accomplished what they set out to do. That is to protect the football program".
Posted by: GNC | July 16, 2012 at 02:22 PM

For the NCAA to do anything LESS than shut down the football program, would make this despicable coverup of multiple rapes a success on the part of the parties involved.

No matter WHAT the school, (including The U), the message needs to be sent LOUD & CLEAR... ANY program thinking protecting ITSELF is more important than protecting innocent children needs to be put to death.

Posted by: roachcane77 | July 16, 2012 at 11:23 PM

solarcane

hi soup,
you been doin a bang up job, I will call you this weekend, I been going in twenty directions since last October, even had a few months with no phone or www. where i was working.

double ohio canes salary too.
I'll chack in here a couple times before the season gets goin, talk to you soon
peace

j.w.

A solar sighting! Good to hear from you, hope the kayaking is treating you well/

86Cane

Solar...I can't say how good it is to have U back on Canespace. We missed U old friend.

Old Skool, OGV, NativeCane and I have a Summer kayaking and scalloping trip in Crystal River already planned for 8/10-13.

Would U care to join us?

solarcane

Hi jw thanks good to see you too
That sounds awesome soup I just might ride down for dinner with you guys.
We will talk

aight g'nite everyone
ill be around more in a little while

86Cane

Solar...open arms and open doors are all around. Come on down and have a real Florida vacation!

CoCane

Solar in da building! I missed it but good to see da Legion triple OG posting again. A sign good things are to come cane fans...

This puff is for you Solar. Cough, cough. Lol!

Good night yall

Montreal-Cane

Great to have our good friend Solarcane back in the line up.

Montreal-Cane

In an exclusive interview with Tavis Smiley last night on PBS, NCAA President Mark Emmert discussed potential punishments as well as his own reactions to the 267-page report produced by Freeh's eight-month investigation.

TAVIS SMILEY | Mark Emmert | PBS


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTBGHr9a9nc&feature=player_embedded

CaneRock

Seriously, the NCAA needs to STFU!, and GET THE EFF OUT THE WAY!, let the Feds handle this. The NCAA doesn't understand the concept of "there's no such thing as lil' things, lil' things add up to big Sugar-Honey-Iced-Tea". They're response to this, is as if the PSU cover-up is the first time a HC covered up anything.

You got major CFB teams accepting rapists on campus, but yet this is the most egregious thing you've heard of.

You got kids sending out threatening tweets to kill cops, but this is the most egregious thing you've heard of.

And Joe Pa already gave you inclinations, that He didn't give a damn about sexual abuse with His past comments and actions.

PHUCK! the NCAA, IT'S TOO LATE! L
ike I said, GET THE EFF OUT THE WAY!, and let the real police handle this.

Old Skool

Hey solar
Welcome back

NativeCane

Solarcane, great to see you around here!

Go Canes!!!

IraqiCane

Good morning Spacers, glad to be back in the best damn country on God's green earth.

GO CANES!!!

LB

There are a few problems with the NCAA stepping out of the way.

1. It sets terrible precedent. Crime is crime, and it happened at a state institution for 14 years. A head football coach at minimum harbored a felon for such time. The criminal was a DC. One of the other parties was the athletic director, whose employment was directly influenced (if not solely) by the head coach in question. Those are three separate spheres of influence shaping the public, private, criminal, civil, and emotional perceptions and deliberately covering them up. What if another major football school does the same thing? What if there are victims being silenced by the same systematic style of cover-up?

2. It diminishes the seriousness of the crimes. There were adults directly responsible for the welfare of children at a state institution. Not only did those adults enable such, but they concealed such.

3. It diminishes the power of the NCAA and exhibits a weaker product. The NCAA punishes programs that do so little as send text messages. If it can’t protect the innocent, then why does the NCAA exist? What is its function? The fashion police? If that’s the case, then its product becomes vulnerable. That is business. It influences television contracts, advertisers, everyone. That’s dollars and cents. Unfortunately, that’s what convinces me most that there will be punitive action against PSU.

The What

When skip Bayless argues that no competitive advantage was made by hiding Sandusky's behavior I don't understand that. Paterno gave the program 10+ more years to act Luke everything was perfect at crappy valley. In terms of recruiting yes there was a competitive advantage.

And why am I not shocked that Bayless doesn't want the death penalty for PSU. I really wish Stephen a smith would punch him in the face. Oh and Stephen a smith was 100% right. When he mentioned sandusky was not only allowed back on campus facilities but allowed to bring children with him while paterno knew. That seals the deal. Death penalty and nothing less. And that football program is going to be shut down. The NCAA has no choice at this point. It's not like Miami or Ohio state or any of the other schools with NCAA violations. Whenever you see the PSU football team all you will think of is Sandusky child molestation and cover up. The story will not die down fully.

IraqiCane

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Ohio_Cane

Solar sighting! Good to see U, bro! Glad U are back around the 'Space!

I can tell U that plenty of ppl here missed U, and your posts and opinions, including myself!

Ohio_Cane

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Posted by: IraqiCane | July 17, 2012 at 08:44 AM
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Link didn't work, so here U go, Iraqi...

Quote from the article and a link to it:

"Well, Miami has a recruiting class that headlines 4-star recruits CB Tracy Howard and RB Randy Johnson. They have seen quite a few recruits jump from the program because of the uncertainty surrounding the final NCAA punishments.

According to Canespace, Miami's 2012 class is going to rank among the "best ever," and it will be the class "that turned it around at Miami, and that it restored the Hurricanes back to their rightful place as one of college football's elite programs."

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1163730-miami-hurricanes-football-did-the-canes-do-enough-to-help-themselves-in-2012

CaneRock

1. It sets terrible precedent.

Posted by: LB | July 17, 2012 at 07:17 AM

That's my point, precedent should've been set a long time ago, probably going as far back as the Baylor murder cover-up. And the NCAA dropped the ball on that one, hell, they didn't even pick up the ball.

They should've set precedent when Lawrence Phillips dragged His GF down a flight of stairs by Her hair.

They should've set a precedent when it was revealed that 25% of CFB players have criminal convictions.

And what enforcment mechanism does the NCAA have to to even litigate the Freeh report... none that I know of.

Like I said, they need to get their asses out the way, and let the real law enforcment do their jobs. Otherwise, they risk being embarassed in a court of law if they try to impose the death penalty.

LB

"That's my point, precedent should've been set a long time ago, probably going as far back as the Baylor murder cover-up. And the NCAA dropped the ball on that one, hell, they didn't even pick up the ball."

I'm not educated enough to comment on that one. I'll check into it.

"They should've set precedent when Lawrence Phillips dragged His GF down a flight of stairs by Her hair."

An event that did not transpire on campus or in an athletic facility. A terrible, yet solitary event that did not involve coaches, athletic directors, or the coverup of said event.

They should've set a precedent when it was revealed that 25% of CFB players have criminal convictions.

Players. Not coaches.

"And what enforcment mechanism does the NCAA have to to even litigate the Freeh report... none that I know of."

Information. Emails. Hand-written notes. I dare to say the head of the FBI would uncover more than the NCAA due to contacts alone.

"Like I said, they need to get their asses out the way, and let the real law enforcment do their jobs. Otherwise, they risk being embarassed in a court of law if they try to impose the death penalty."

Nothing the NCAA does or does not do will impact the parties in question in such a way to limit the criminal process.

The NCAA will not impede a criminal investigation. The "consequences would be... severe."

The NCAA does not govern the courts, but they can assist them. Just as the NCAA will use uncovered evidence from the Freeh report, so to may the authorities use the NCAA's evidence.

Penalizing Penn State will not inhibit law enforcement. Investigating such will not inhibit law enforcement.

herbieibis

Skip Bayless is a complete idiot. Why even listen, to anything that moron says.
I've always been leary of the NCAA. They seem to pick & choose who they want to put the screws to. Ala & then USC both came close to being shut down. When they slam you with 30 ship losses & bowl bans over 3 years, that's just one rung above the death penalty. I think we come in a rung above what they got, as far as penalties. Probably 15 ship losses, over 3 years and we've already self-imposed a bowl ban.
What PSU did, whether football related or not, went above and beyond anything that has ever happened in college sports. Joe Pa harbored a child molester, gave him free rein of the football facilities, to use as his play ground for molesting these kids. Did the football team have anything to do with it, No but really as I posed this question in an earlier blog, did any of the former players know this was going on? You can't tell me this crap had been going on for over 12 years and not one football player knew. I can't believe that! This was a clear cut case of Joe letting his old friend enjoy himself in retirement. He probably knew he was a pervert the whole time but for the sake of the football team let him continue to coach & let him recruit. This whole cover-up was about one thing, protecting PSU football & nothing else. A hammer shouldn't come down on PSU, a sledge hammer should! Let them heal without the roar of the crowds on Saturdays for the next 3 years. If you let them play, just think about all the drunk excited fans, who are basically forgetting about what has transspired over the last 12 years. Had Joe Pa not been aware of this would have been one thing but he did, so let them rot for 3 years and figure out a new course of action.

3G Cane

With the majority of the college football world still shocked by the ever-unraveling amount of allegations at Penn State, one has to think that the onus isn't on Al Golden and the Hurricanes for having "the worst scandal" anymore.
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Gee, ya think so?

Ohio_Cane

WR Allen Hurns just named to the Biletnikoff Preseason Watch List--award given to the nation's top reciever.

Ohio_Cane

LB, well done getting that in. Lol

86Cane

A Fate Worse Than Death

So much of the debate over whether and how the NCAA could punish Penn State has focused on areas of the NCAA Manual like Bylaw 10.1, Bylaw 2, and Bylaw 19. But there’s another place Penn State might need to worry about should the NCAA decide to follow through on investigating the athletic department. It’s a bylaw that both clearly establishes the NCAA’s authority to discipline Penn State, while also allowing it the freedom to impose a wide range of sanctions, up to and including an NCAA penalty that is worse than the “death penalty.”

At its most basic, the NCAA is a voluntary membership organization. To put it more bluntly, the NCAA is a club. As a club, it has the power to let in the types of organizations it likes. More importantly, it has the power to kick schools out of the club:

Bylaw 3.2.5 Loss of Active Membership

3.2.5.1 Termination or Suspension. The membership of any active member failing to maintain the academic or athletics standards required for such membership or failing to meet the conditions and obligations of membership may be suspended, terminated, or otherwise disciplined by a vote of two-thirds of the delegates present and voting at an annual Convention.

The bylaw goes on to define the process for terminating, suspending or disciplining a member school. Specifically, the Board of Directors and the school must be notified of the action by November 1 before the Convention. That notice must state the grounds on which the action is based. The Board of Directors must approve the action to go forward, and it is then published in the Official Notice of the Convention. The vote would occur at a business session during the Convention, which this year is January 16–19 in Dallas.

Under this bylaw, the membership of the NCAA could do virtually anything to Penn State.

CaneRock

Posted by: 86Cane | July 17, 2012 at 10:32 AM

In a court of law, if PSU lawyers up, they'll eat the NCAA alive. The Feds would do a better job of imposing a death penalty than the NCAA, especially if PSU violated any part of the Clery Act.

86Cane

NCAA President Mark Emmert said in an interview with PBS’s Tavis Smiley that he will not rule out the death penalty for Penn State’s football program in the wake of the Freeh Report’s findings that members of the administration and athletic department, including legendary coach Joe Paterno, “failed to protect against a child sexual predator harming children for over a decade.” Long-time defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky was convicted on 45 counts in connection to sexual abuse that sometimes took place within the Penn State locker room and showers.

The death penalty, which bans a school from competing in a sport for at least one season, has only been implemented on one major college football program, SMU in 1987 and 1988.

“I’ve never seen anything as egregious as this in terms of overall conduct and behavior inside of a university,” Emmert told Smiley about the situation at Penn State. “I hope never to see it again. What the appropriate penalties are, if there are determinations of violations, we’ll have to decide…

“I don’t want to take anything off the table. The fact is, this is completely different than an impermissible benefits scandal that happened at SMU or anything else we’ve dealt with. This is as systemic a cultural problem as it is a football problem.

“There have been people who’ve said this wasn’t a football scandal. Well, it was more than a football scandal. Much more than a football scandal. It was that, and much more. We’ll have to figure out exactly what the right penalties are. I don’t know that past precedent makes particularly good sense in this case because it’s really an unprecedented problem.”

86Cane

Canerock...The NCAA and the Feds should BOTH address the issues at PSU. Not one or the other but BOTH.

CaneRock

Canerock...The NCAA and the Feds should BOTH address the issues at PSU. Not one or the other but BOTH.

Posted by: 86Cane | July 17, 2012 at 10:55 AM

And THERE it is...right THERE.

pre83

I agree w/ U 86

To me, shutting down the program should not be predicated on whether those who are there on the team currently are affected.

However, those players should be allowed to transfer and play immediately. I understand that finding roster spots w/ avail scholarships may prove difficult, but that is obviously a very minor issue within the context of the ugly mess. The beloved NCAA can make exceptions and figure that out.

To me, the most important aspect is to allow the law to be enforced to the extent it was created to without special exceptions granted simply because it occurred at a public univ and a notorious one at that.

Above all, justice needs to prevail. Those abused children are not any less human, American, or important than univ admin and athletic staff members - statue or no statue.

pre83

Solar - Great to see U on the Space again. I am glad to know life is treating U well!

BTW, was that U who posted on the Sun-Sentinal on the new Cane beat writer's blog about a week or so ago?

LB

"LB, well done getting that in. Lol"

Sometimes I'm smooth like that, Ohio. :)

But not so smooth as ruffle/pluck a feather or two. I think it's exceptionally cool considering we lost so much offensive firepower.

Ohio_Cane

Chris Freet - Mike James has STRONG case for AFCA Good Works Team - Great Person, Unbelievable Story, Ton of Community Service - http://bit.ly/NBZRyw

Jack

1. Don't forget to tear down the building were the Rapes happened!

2. Shut down football For two years

3. Tear down statue

4. give back to the State all public funds school received for the past 14 years

Penn State should do all listed above and that would be "MOVING FORWARD"!!

Good article!!

LB

Mike James should have a strong case for anything.

He's easily my favorite person on that team, and I'll root like hell for him in anything he does.

Ohio_Cane

LB, completely agree!

If only we had 84 more guys JUST like him...

LB

+1.

CGNC

Hey a Solar sighting! Well while I disagree with the Joepalogists I do recognize everyone's right to their opinion. If everyone agreed with everyone else all the time it would be a very boring world. And I agree with Solar that PSU should shut it down voluntarily but I doubt they will. They don't yet realize that their Camelot has crashed and burned.

CGNC

LOL and speaking of hagiography or the study of saints, there was a mural somewhere that depicted JoePa with a halo. Yes,a halo. The artist recently removed the halo and replaced it with a blue ribbon on his coat in recognition of victims of sexual abuse (which I don't think he really got ever)

3G Cane

He's easily my favorite person on that team, and I'll root like hell for him in anything he does.

Posted by: LB
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+1 I was talking about this yesterday. What he's done on the field is irrelevant, he's easily my favorite player on this team. The young man has been pure class from the moment he stepped on campus and a fine representative of the []_[]. I hope he has a great season b/c he definitely deserves it.

herbieibis

Ohio,
That's not surprising. We have the dangest time getting linemen, offense or defense. It seems it's always late in the process, when we start getting them, same with LBs.

Gin & Tonic

My only problem with punishing the football program is that it takes the focus away from punishing those who need to be punished.

Anybody in the program that had knowledge of what was going on with Sandusky should be prosecuted for child endangerment. They should face jail time. They should not be allowed to have unsupervised visits with any children (even their own children or grandchildren under the age of 18).

If you want to make an example of Penn State, have every son of a bitch that turned a blind eye to the rapes face criminal charges.

Right down to the assistant coach that witnessed the shower rape to the janitor who saw inappropriate touching and was afraid to talk against the program. Let everybody know that callous disregard for the well-being of children will never be tolerated no matter where it happens.

I don't care if it the Catholic Church, Boy Scouts, Little League or Penn State. This is a high profile case that needs to set the precedent that if you see an attack on a child and choose to not act or report the attack properly, you will be personally be charged as an accomplice to the attack.

Punish the guilty, one by one. Then and only then, turn your eye to sanctioning or punishing the football team.

Ohio_Cane

Herbie, no I'm not surprised at all.

Now I'm just waiting for Monday to get here lol

LB

"Ohio,
That's not surprising. We have the dangest time getting linemen, offense or defense. It seems it's always late in the process, when we start getting them, same with LBs."

Hmmm... we got Chickillo and Kirby fairly early. Plus Golden came in late for 2011, and thus got a slow start to the 2012.

The DL has been impressive from a sheer talent standpoint. Chickillo, R. Williams, Pierre, Grimble, and McCord could all contribute this year. Bryant's on board for 2013.

As for LB's, Perryman and Paul came in in 2011. Kirby was my favorite get from of the 2012 group.

We've been relatively small in numbers for the OL, though. However, Kehoe did get his #1 targets for consecutive years.

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"Now I'm just waiting for Monday to get here lol"

What's supposed to happen on Monday? A commitment or two?

LB

As it comes to precedent:

"Often, past precedent will be a factor taken into consideration when it comes to NCAA enforcement. Even in the early stages of determining if penalties will be enforced, Emmert says this may be a case where past precedent makes sense because the issue at Penn State is an "unprecedented problem."

"This is completely different than an impermissible benefits scandal like [what] happened at SMU, or anything else we've dealt with," Emmert explained. "This is as systemic a cultural problem as it is a football problem. There have been people that said this wasn't a football scandal."

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/eye-on-college-football/19600940/video-ncaa-president-mark-emmert-will-not-rule-out-death-penalty-for-penn-state

HawaiiCane

I'm through with all this morbid chat about Penn State!

I'd like to get back to important things like fall practice coming up and Cortez Kennedy's HOF induction! I'd also like to note that the 'Canes have been flying under the radar and I'm enjoying it. ESPN's HD hasn't had a lunchtime link or mail blog reference in a week. So excited for this season! Feel like putting on Phil Collins' 'In The Air Tonight'.

UpNorthCane

Im with hawaii on this neough penn st talk.............. I got Phil collins Int he air tonight playing right now!!!

Felipe
Felipe

Someone only gives this kind of 'heads up' interview if they're trying to prime the public for something big coming. No huge penalty and Emmert wouldn't be saying anything at this juncture.

LB

FSU Schedule update:

They play Virginia Tech on a Thursday night and at UM.

If those idiots don't win 10 games, just quit football. How about giving a postseason bowl ban to underachieving football programs whose schedules are equivalent to Domino's Pizza?

Ohio_Cane

Papa Cane - Must Watch: Great video feature on 4-Star Maquedius Bain, 6'4'' and 285 lbs, by @sfhssports - I am a huge fan of Bain. http://ow.ly/cj19q

herbieibis

That's great a Ray Lewis shirt on and FSU verbal. Wonderous!

The What

FSU may get to 10 wins cause of that sissyfied schedule but I really hope
Miami puts that nail in their coffin of an ACC or NC champ game.

I just want the season to start. Why is it only July?????

86Cane

Bain video, note the shirt and who he mentions as his favorite DE in college:

http://sfhighschoolsports.com/video/maquedius-bain-2-sports-star

TJL

Only 48 more days

Montreal-Cane

Friday august 3rd first fall practice.

86Cane

That's great a Ray Lewis shirt on and FSU verbal. Wonderous!

Posted by: herbieibis | July 17, 2012 at 04:10 PM

VERBAL SCHMERBAL!

That is all.

CaneRock

I'm through with all this morbid chat about Penn State!

Posted by: HawaiiCane | July 17, 2012 at 02:57 PM

Although this tragedy needs all the awareness it can get, I say...BRING ON THE DAMN NEW RAISING CANES VIDEO!!!

"IT'S GOTTA BE RELENTLESS! It's gotta be relentless".

CaneRock

New Manny:

Offensive coordinator Jedd Fisch: 'We're counting on Duke [Johnson] to make an immediate impact'

Can you smell that? Yes, football season is on the horizon.

Your Miami Hurricanes open training camp Friday, Aug. 3. That's less than three weeks away. So, what better way to get you ready for shells and shorts than to finally run some of the stuff we gathered back in May for this very moment. (NOTE: Players and coaches needed a break from the end of spring ball until now and those interviews in May were the only window reporters were given to speak with them).

So, without further ado, our first real blog of the 2012 season...

REST of article here: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/umiami/2012/07/fisch-were-counting-on-duke-to-make-an-immediate-impact.html#storylink=cpy

Old Skool

It's a pity there's a U at the end of Penn State. Otherwise the things you can spell with PS include pedophiles, pederast and rapist

hassan

Irvin out @ qam.

PSU let the concern of football effect thier judgement. Terrible crimes were committed on a scale that is hard to imagine.

A few points on this

1. I believe this is bigger then 9 victims since 98, sandusky did not wake up in 98 and start raping boys...


2. Now is the fallin ST. JOE can let raping boys slidefor the sake of football and his legacy what else has been covered up therefor the same reasons?

3. The school uncovering this gained a competitive advantage, this scandal in the light of day has killed the psu team of course coveribg it was fb related and gave an advantage.

4. The miami kids took lap dances and dinners, once the ncaa approves the 2,000 stipend the amount is more the any miami player took from the rat, one has to think we would not have had issues if the stipend had been in affect.

5. Punish PSU for putting fb ahead of childrens lives and well being

86Cane

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