The Short List To South Beach: Week 9

Only 18 teams remain on the Shortlist to South Beach in 2012 and they rank by order of worthiness for one of the two national title game invites as such:

Notre Dame, Florida, Alabama, Kansas State, Oregon State, Oregon, Ohio State, Louisville, Rutgers, Mississippi State, Ohio, LSU, FSU, Oklahoma, Texas Tech, Clemson, Georgia and Southern Cal.

Just a single team won last week to avoid their Shortlist to South Beach elimination call for at least another seven days:

1) Texas Tech goes on the road to Fort Worth and escapes with an overtime 56-53 win over TCU.  Tommy Tuberville is too old to get the job done at a high level?  Sure, that's why yet again he's a winner everywhere he's been a head coach.  It must be because he saves wasting time over worrying if his tie is on straight and his hair looks good on camera.  It's definitely not because he has the sharpest AD in all of college football overseeing his program, that's for sure.

On the other hand you have this trio of Shortlist unforeseen knockouts finding themselves exiting the  chase as October works its way to a close:

1) West Virginia laps up the home cooking and gets blown out even worse than the week before as they go two in a row and off the Shortlist at the hands of Kansas State 55-14.  Geno Smith's Heisman chances appear as finished as the Mountaineers national championship hopes this year but there's plenty of opportunity left on the schedule to revive the former, the latter however is out of play until next season, no matter what.

2) TCU has its 11 win season streak pushed to the breaking point by Texas Tech, their former South West Conference rival.  Just where did Mike Leach spend that off week last Saturday exactly after-all?  Did anybody see a man with an eye-patch, parrot on his shoulder and cutlass on his belt in the play-calling booth in Fort Worth last week getting a jump on Halloween costuming?

3) Cincinatti gets ejected out of the Shortlist orbit in Toledo as they lose for the first time ever in the Glass Bowl 29-23.  Now with a three game overall losing streak against the Rockets, the Bearcats must refocus on plotting a course through what's left of the Big East obstacles on the schedule the rest of the year to salvage what had been shaping up as yet another great Butch Jones salvage job to a Brain Kelly exit.

I expect a pair of Big 12 teams to fall by the wayside on the Shortlist to South Beach this week, one each from the opposite ends of their traditional conference pecking order: Oklahoma and Texas Tech.

Enjoy the games this week and join me back here next week as the Shortlist to South Beach sets the table for the final sprint through the last month of the 2012 season right here on Canespace.

Copyright 2012 by Christopher Whelpton for Canespace.com

Comments

[Brevardcane]

First

[86Cane]

Swiss Cheese Defense

Blue Cheese Offense

[LaQuinton]

Kelvin Cain is gone ? Wow another scholarship tho...

[Terrance Sullivan]

Another excellent piece on the road to Fort Lauderdale Beach for one team and South Beach for the other team. Tommy Tuberville is doing a great job. I know the Assclowns at Auburn feel real stupid right now. Also we get the obligatory Jab at Al Golden from OGV. Let's go Canes beat Vagina Tech.

[CaneRock]

WHOA! I guess Luther Robinson's did call WQAM:

Wednesday night update: UM player's father rips Golden; Samson responds to angry callers

The father of UM junior defensive linemen Luther Robinson sounded delusional and did his son no favors when he called WQAM’s Joe Rose to complain about coach Al Golden on Wednesday morning.

“Golden comes on the air with a bunch of crap every Monday,” the father said.
The father accused Golden of saying the team’s defensive tackles can’t rush the quarterback, which Golden never specifically said.

“I’m going to tell him he’s a liar,” Robinson said. “This guy is a liar and I don’t like it. I don’t like him insulting my son.”

Rose correctly pointed out that Golden never mentioned Luther Robinson.
The father continued his rant anyway: “I’m sick of this. It’s bull [bleep].”

The father then accused Golden of favoring the players that his staff recruited at the expense of players recruited before Golden was hired.

“Is it something against Randy Shannon players?” the father said. “Luther Robinson needs to be playing defensive tackle more than the other kids. He’s a much better defensive tackle [than the others]. He’s being held back because he’s an upperclassman.”

Earth to Robinson: Your son is playing, in a rotation with Darius Smith, Corey King, Olsen Pierre and Earl Moore at defensive tackle. We’ve seen Robinson take snaps at end, too. If he isn’t playing as much as you would like, deal with it.

The father then lost any remaining shred of credibility when he asserted that Golden doesn’t care about winning games and suggested he’s more concerned with favoring his own recruits.

Read more here: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/sports-buzz/2012/10/wednesday-night-update-um-players-father-rips-golden-samson-responds-to-angry-callers-.html#storylink=cpy

[LaQuinton]

You have to think . By him(Robinson sr) calling Al golden and telling at him and the coaches didn't do anything.. But get him suspended against k state. Golden doesn't play favorites imo.. Kacy Rodgers can tell you that. #93 plays Alot IMO but he needs to stop calling home to daddy.. Cause he isn't doing him any favors.

[j.w.]

Cain bites the dust. Wow, what happened? They praised him all during camp, summer, etc. He played, certainly wasn't worse than half the others who do play. WTH? Guess Gaines did end up the best of those three. Kind of like being the most likeable kardashian, but he wins the prize.

[CoCane]

Soup you got mail

[CoCane]

I ain't saying Luther Sr. is going about it the right way but he's right about his son being better than the other DT's. Imo

[The Dude]

We will see what The U's response is to Robinson's dad soon. We cant let that just hang out there like that can we? I hope this is only one bad apple. Do we know why Gains left yet?

[Willie Will in Nashville]

Coke,

Idk but when I re watch the games I do see him getting in the back field. I heard he was lazy and out of shape tho and eats fried cheese lol

[CoCane]

My gut tells me the DLine coach is the weakest link. Goodbye

[Willie Will in Nashville]

WWIN...GREAT ARTICLE.

I guess coaching does matter MORE than stars do?

Posted by: 86Cane | October 24, 2012 at 10:24 PM

Mos def. I'll take COACHING over STARS 7 days out the week

[CaneRock]

Do we know why Gains left yet?

Posted by: The Dude | October 25, 2012 at 12:00 AM

LMAO! I don't know, but Cain might've read OGV's posts, and gotten inspired to cuss D'Onofrio CLEAN OUT!

[CaneRock]

LMAO! I don't know, but Cain might've read OGV's posts, and gotten inspired to cuss D'Onofrio CLEAN OUT!

Posted by: CaneRock | October 25, 2012 at 12:49 AM

You see what did OGV, you see what you did LOL.

[CaneRock]

My gut tells me the DLine coach is the weakest link. Goodbye

Posted by: CoCane | October 25, 2012 at 12:10 AM

And your gut may be right.

I don't know if it's Franklin, I don't know if it's part of the scheme, but all that "Slantin' n Stuntin'" doesn't seem to accomodate that defensive alignment their in.

Now if they were a 3-5-3 defense, maybe, but not that flavor of 4-3 that they're running.

[orange 'n green in the vein]

C'mon now Terrance, once guy's coaching one of the biggest surprise teams to date this year in college football and the other guy is still four games under .500 for his career, so it's hardly an obligatory jab, more like an opportunistic one, and justifiably so. Besides, the obligatory part was the swipe at the crap AD out in Lubbock. Thought that was obvious Sully?

CR, I get blamed for all of this staff's failings around here just for pointing them out it seems sometimes, but it doesn't take a clairvoyant to see that you can only put deformed mutagen defense out there for so long before the guys getting steamrolled say enough of this happy crappy so maybe he did go laugh in D'No's face and say catch you later? The fact that Cain ended up just gone and not tried out on offense first doesn't speak well to his ability to play multiple positions which as we know is Golden's favorite fetish for a recruit. Maybe a silent, star laden, commit gave the secret recruiting handshake after the game Saturday to the staff and it was time to make a little more roster room for him instead of another TE that can't catch for jack while making the DL that much thinner on the depth chart to use as an excuse for the 200+ yards a game surrendered on the ground?

[LaQuinton]

Is Gaines really gone. Hope so

[Zakkee]

86, I sincerely accept your apology and commend you for making it.

I apologize for the name calling in response.

"mutagen"...lol OGV is hilarious!

Robinson's dad shouldn't have done that, but (not to justify) his kid is one of the most active players on the D-Line. Aside from Chick, Green, and occasionally McCord; Robinson is most disruptive. Robinson had been soft and ineffective until this season though. King tries but his technique isn't there yet, he'll be fine with more experience.

[tjl3909]

http://blogs.roanoke.com/andybittervirginiatechfootball/2012/10/23/a-bye-week-review-taking-a-look-at-the-offense/

[tjl3909]

http://blogs.roanoke.com/andybittervirginiatechfootball/2012/10/24/a-bye-week-review-taking-a-look-at-the-defense/

[LB]

The messy players are all but gone. When Golden dismisses/suspends someone, there's an excellent reason. If Golden touts the horn of Ray Ray Armstrong all summer and then removes him from the team, it can happen to anyone.

Furthermore, the comments from Robinson's father about Shannon recruits are way off base. Linder, Henderson, Morris, James, Hurns, and McGee (among others) are all playing in the two deep.

Yes, the defensive line is the weakest link.

[Terrance Sullivan]

OGV great point yes Tommy Tuberville is doing it despite that Assclown of an AD. I apologize OGV epic obligatory jab at the kirbster. Grrreeeaaatttt article man. Go Canes, beat Vagina Tech.

[umiaks]

I think robinsons dad is way off base... Some parents expect their kids to go pro and save them and when their kids time is getting close to ended get worried lol......a lot of Shannon's recruits play.. And parents have no clue what their kid does at practice....

[raizecane]

As a parent myself, I can see why his dad would call and complain. I know that when things didn't go well for my kids for whatever reason, I would want to go all "Dexter" on someone but then cool heads would prevail. His dad should have waited a few days and then go talk to AG instead of calling a radio show.

[Tonycane]

Funny thing about tuberville, what would canes fans have done if he was here and had the same level of success that he had a t tech his first two years? Coming off of the relative success of the leach era, tuberville's first year was a disaster. If he had done the same here, how many cAnes fans and alumni would have the patience to stick around for a third year?

[Ohio_Cane]

I got news for Luther Sr... The WHOLE DL STINKS! INCLUDING YOUR SON!

[UpNorthCane]

Whats up guys, just a couple thoughts....

The news about Kelvin Cain doesn't change anything Tyriq Mccord showed up against FSU so you know he's ready to ball..

Luther Robinson's Dad should just shut his mouth for once and his son needs to come out and defend his coach or ride the pine or get off the team sh** is ridiculous..

I would love to see both Hargreaves and Patrick coaching on the defensive side in Miami, we would kill recruiting and and the boys would be ballin for sure...

Deon Bush = Beast, kid has all the tools to be a great one at the U, hoping he sticks around and really continues to evolve.

[UpNorthCane]

It is crazy to see how an ineffective dline can change a defense for the worst.

[pbcfrcane13]

Still wonder why Cain was ever moved from LB. Now Im not there to watch them, but that is a move I didn't like and and wish they kept him at LB.

[pbcfrcane13]

http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/caneswatch/2012/10/25/trouble-in-paradise-kelvin-cain-second-hurricanes-upperclassman-to-quit-in-season/

[panamacitycane]

From jorge millian on twitter
"Kelvin Cain is latest UM player to quit team in season. Judging from a player I spoke with Wednesday, he probably won't be the last."

I guess kids can't handle earning their spot? Shannon let them get away with anything now they have to work and everyone wants to leave. It is like last year all the underclassman leaving. Either that or maybe golden is being a dick to them and we dont know about it? I do rememeber the rumor of D'no putting players down and all that. Maybe something is true? Im not spreading rumors because I have no inside info or anything, just wondering

[CGNC]

Happy Thursday party people!

[pbcfrcane13]

I would say this as a coach....and I admitt a dumb comparession, but if I was a coach coming in I would probably play the younger guys if I knew I was not going to when this year or next year. Which Golden sees this team is not ready to win this year. So why not play the kids who are going to be around the next 3-4 year and let them get PT.

Thats what I do in NCAA 13 when I take over a new program....again I admitt dumb comparession, but he all I have to go off of lol. So I can see that Golden is driving the SR/JR away because he would rather let the kids take there lumps now.

[tjl3909]

http://www.endfatigue.com/health_articles_f-h/Fun-bad-lip-reading-of-presidential-debate.html

Very Funny stuff

[calGary Cane]

Posted by: pbcfrcane13 | October 25, 2012 at 11:29 AM

So very true. Didn't RS do that as well when he came in?

[pbcfrcane13]

Pretty sure he did because in 08 when the number one class came a lot of them played right away.

[Willie Will in Nashville]

Pb,

Does that work in NCAA 13????

[pbcfrcane13]

Lol yes it does....if your taking over a school your trying to build......again I know I know it was a dumb comprasion but w/e! lol

[herbieibis]

Well if this don't sound like Pop Warner football, a daddy complaining and making excuses up for his, average playing-azz son. Losing Cain, NO BIG LOSS! LOSING JOHNSON, NO BIG LOSS! If Luther wants to QUIT, NO BIG LOSS! If you've been in a program for 3 or 4 years like all the above mentioned and you're still 2ND or Third string, you just might want to quit or transfer. I coach and if I'm not getting what I need from an older kid, that maybe has a year left, wouldn't that only be natural to play a kid more who has three or four years left? Duh, that's a no brainer. Aside form maybe 4 or 5 of our current de linemen, I'd broom the rest and that includes our DE'S. They've tried everyone of them and given them a shot to prove themselves and nothing works, so either it comes down to coaching or talent and it's probably a little of both.
In the Herb's estimation, Goldie needs to do a little more house cleaning, to get this ship righted and if we have to take a step back, which we are doing right, so be it. Not all Shannon's recruits were dogs. They are just better pro players, than college. I believe Goldie wants his players to give there all each and every day instead of saving themselves and coasting to get to the pros, the Shannon way if you will! I can't see what Jethro has done to make the D-Line better or maybe DeNo and his hapless shemes. All I know is we've had way to many coordinators, the last several years and the results have basically been the same, so I believe the problem lies in recruiting. We all know we have not taken care of business, in that area on a consistent basis for several years. It first started when we couldn't keep QB's, and then we had deficiencies, at WR and then it was LB and then it was the OL and now it's not enough talent on the DE-Line. All these areas, we have lacked depth & depth of talent at one time or another. In order to fill those voids we took to many tweeners and you couple that with all the coaching changes, it becomes a grade a mess. We are not going to get every 5* or 4* star we go after, hell the 5*'s have been a curse to us for the last 8 years. The 3* players have to be good role players, every team has them and they can play, it just takes a while for them to develop but make no mistake, the schools that are on top, year after year have there gluttons share of 4 & 5 star players. Ask yourself this: would Bama be where their at with our starters, No but they did have to reload from last year and look where their at. Depth of talent, is the answer.

[pbcfrcane13]

http://wqam.com/podcast

latest Sedano Podcast.....at 80 minutes you have our interim AD on the show. Talks a lot of topics....sounds like a good guy wonder if hell get a real look for full time AD?

[pbcfrcane13]

Actuallly looks like the interview got cut short. Does talk staduim though.

Heard more from him in a month than the other two ADs!

[raizecane]

pbc - i have seen / heard more from this interim AD in 2 weeks than I have from that knucklehead who went to Nebraska so he can have his corn shucked the entire time he was here!!!

[TonyCane]

It would be interesting to see how many players transferred out of Temple in the first two years after Al Golden took over.

[Willie Will in Nashville]

Tony,

Yeah it would. Why don't you look it up for us? Lol

[pbcfrcane13]

May not be as many saying the kids who went to Temple back then weren't that good to play in many other FBS schools. This kids leaving the Canes can go to other FBS schools without a problem. Maybe not a big school like UM, but seems like they just want to beable to play.

[pbcfrcane13]

I still wish Cain stayes at LB! Grant his only start at MLB was against but did have 11 tackles.

[2002nemo]

When is the big FAU-FIU "F*U Battle for the FBS Bottom" game?

Can you beleive these two schools have on campus footbal stadiums, and yet, the U - the only SoFL school with a FB team that really matters - does not? I don't know whether to laugh or cry!

[pbcfrcane13]

Public vs Private man thats what it comes down to oh yea and space matters to...the city your school is on thats a big deal. The AD talks about it in the interview with Sedano all the issues they face to trying to get their own staduim.

[86Cane]

Herb...great comments above.

Nemo...don't sweat the on-campus stadium. Sun Life was A ROCKIN for the FSU game and NOT because there were a bunch of Noles fans in the house, trust me on that.

Raize...remember UM vs UCF basketball in December @UCF.

[LB]

"hell the 5*'s have been a curse to us for the last 8 years"

Careful, bro. The gazers may riot.

[jiggafras]

We need to go back to start redshirtng players. I care not what they are rated. Unless they are something special, like 1000 yard back special, 60 catch WR special, 7-10 sacks DE special etc. We need to to tell first time we offer them schollies, there is a great chance you get redshirted...and here is why. These undersized players particularly on D is not cutting it. A redshirted 3 star like Eddie Johnson will perform better than a 5 star FR like Arthur Brown. 1 full year to get to the right weight and get strong as hell.

It doesn't make any sense we keep on burning these kids redshirt. If they want to leave, then fine. VT gets second rate players 75% of the time and redshirt them all and they turn them into all Americans. We simply have to look at the programs that are consistently successful and see what they do, from Prestige programs like Bama and LSU to up comers like TCU and Boise St. They redshirt all the players they get, period, no matter their star rating. Why the fuck are we not doing the same. Take a couple year lumps and ball the fuck out in year 3. Quite simple.

[pbcfrcane13]

One problem with that if you start telling all these kids your going RS them they won't come to your school. Need to becareful with how you go about it.

[LB]

Redshirting also depends on need. Luckily we didn't have to burn them on the QB's this year (I believe). We needed Deon Bush, especially after losing Armstrong.

I'm going to assume that a true freshman tight end, wide receiver, and member of the d-line will start at some point next year. Honestly, we need them. A Dobard or Jean-Louis could absolutely start by Week 3 or 4 next year. The way our d-line looks, it should be cake for Golden to pitch them for immediately playing time.

[jiggafras]

If they are physically mature and learn the playbook like Flowers...of course we wont redshirt them but if they are small as DTs, OL and LBs im letting them know off rip. You may have a 5 star rating but you are not going to hold up against 320 pound SR linemen. This is for your future and for you to have the best chance of being the best player you can be, not burnt out after one season. If VT can do it to their players why can't we? Like i said, if we lose a 5 star player but get a 3 star like EJ44 who takes a redshirt...is it not worth it? Look at a player like Marcus Forston, His body broke down after his FR year and these are the type of examples we need to show kids that it is in their best interest to redshirt. Forston could have definately do with a redshirt and alot of the 08 class could have done the same.

[Zakkee]

Just keeping note:

1. Coker- "left cupboards bare, player accountability not stressed"
2. Shannon- "left cupboards bare, player accountability not stressed"
3. fans- not patient enough
4. former players -"turncoats, not good anyway, couldn't hack it, quitters, weed heads, no loss, not needed, didn't buy in."
5. 5 star recruits- "our curse" 4*s, 3*s, 2*s, and 1*s as well. F' it stars in general are holding Us back"

feel free to add on, I'll keep up with the list of why our football team has been structurally unstable, inconsistent, and not winning much the last 7 seasons! This is good stuff fellas!

[UpNorthCane]

I wish recruiting kids was as easy as it is in NCAA lol shoo, I always lock up the south Florida talent and pick and choose players from California, Texas, Louisiana, New Jersey and Pennsylvania...

[pbcfrcane13]

I dont have any inside info I just go off of what I read and see. To me the may problem with the 08 class was a lot of those kids were given there spot from day one and did not have to fight for it. We will see with Golden how he handles the kids from this class. So far he hasnt handed Howard a thing which is good to see and the freshamn who are playing look like they should be.

The question is if the players from 08 were given the spots from day one how hard would you work as an 18 y/o kid when you know you have nobody pushing you for playing time? So maybe if Forston had another two or three DTs pushing he would have worked harder in the weight room and his body wouldnt have broken down. Maybe he and the rest of them did work hard....its sure not Ive read and heard though.

[Zakkee]

http://rivals.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/football/recruiting/commitments/2008/miami-11

How many of these kids started at their positions from day one^^ with no competition?

[jiggafras]

Forston broke down physically, he was a starter in 08 and he was not ready for it. He was injured every single season after that, he was not injured in 08 or injury prone coming in. He would have been great as a 3rd down pass rusher not a every down players getting run at by VT. It would have been great to compare those kids bench numbers in 08 to these kids now. Like Earl Moore is not a 5 star but he is strong as a Ox. The physical grind it takes in the trenches these kids NEED to redshirt and Golden needs to start communicate this to these players. Thats why am very glad a player like McCord is only a situational rusher. It would not be good if teams start running the ball at him. Im telling you guys the lack of redshirt on these players particularly on the DL is a big problem. The OL have no problem redshirting. Hence a player like McDermott can take over from Horn and do a even better job. Flowers is a manchild, his body can hold up. A player like Grimble and Pierre, those type of player should be redshirt off rip no question.

[pbcfrcane13]

I got 14.

[86Cane]

feel free to add on, I'll keep up with the list of why our football team has been structurally unstable, inconsistent, and not winning much the last 7 seasons! This is good stuff fellas!

Posted by: Zakkee | October 25, 2012 at 02:27 PM

Well we definitely need new uniforms and the quality of cheerleading talent has also declined. If we had new unis and better cheerleaders we would be undefeated.

[pbcfrcane13]

Hey ive been on the uni and black socks and shoes since we changed them!

[86Cane]

Fras...you can't keep comparing apples to oranges. The HUGE difference between VT and UM is that VT has had coaching stability for decades and over that time has managed to BALANCE their roster out so that there is a natural progression year after year from seniors to juniors to sophomores. Heck we have had more coordinators in the last 10 years than VT has players on their roster! VT has had time to build depth so that now they have adequate depth to redshirt incoming Freshmen.

Golden can't do that in less than two years especially given the fact or the early entrees to the NFL draft and the terrible failure of the 2010 class that was posted the other day. We have very little depth or experience at several positions and therefore HAVE to play whoever is most capable regardless of their time at UM.

Also Golden knows he has to win soon because he will not get 5-7 years to build this program up, he gets 3-4 with the Miami fan base and their impatient need for immediate results. He has gotta play whoever he can to win and win soon or now.

[tjl3909]

Since its halloween week we need to dig up the yamma yamma guy and prop him up next to the va tech bench

[jiggafras]

Posted by: 86Cane | October 25, 2012 at 03:01 PM

Have no idea who said he needs to do it in 2 years dude. I am talking about what we need to do going forward. He has no excuses for the upcoming class. I for one am not talking about this season. It is what it is but if we don't see it start happening with the future classes we are gonna be stuck in this predicament for a while

[Zakkee]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5FzK1K0AuM

Good video for perspective and memory

There are many upperclassmen playing (on NFL rosters now) and freshmen sprinkled in (AJ, Benji, Jacory, Spence, B. Harris, and some Forston). They all competition. Joe Joseph and Antonio Dixon played over Forston. Marve over Jacory. Kayne Farq, Khalil Jones, and Hank started at WR.

Spence played the most (aside from B Harris), but even he was behind MCCarthy, Cook, and Romeo Davis and Sharpton.

[tjl3909]

Thanks for the Video Zakkee-I saw something that brought tears to my eyes..a TE caught a ball over the middle and scored!!

[herbieibis]

I agree reshirting would AB So-Lutely be the way to go but the Herb realizes this, Most of the so called soup-eeh staz are not going to roll with that. They got their mugs plastahed all ova Duh internet and are going to combines everywhere and told how great they R, do you honestly think, these kids are going to want to reshirt? Nah, not unless this is their dream school. If I'm looking for linemen, i'm looking at kids like Flowers, already strong and big and has been coached, not some big dough bellied weekling that's been beating up on weak competition, but has great size and great speed. Now we can all look at Mr. Motivation, the great Sean Henderson, Trell if you will, all 6'8 340, give or take LBS. We've been waiting for this dude to shine for 3 years but alas, he looks like he's going to keep the *5 jinxs alive, what a dubious destinction.

[86Cane]

fras...your comments above directly implied that UM and Golden should have redshirted players last year and this year (Grimble and Pierre) and we should have always redshirted the incoming players regardless of the roster composition.

Right now it is simple NOT possible to do so because of the reasons I mentioned and the roster imbalance that will take 3-4 years to fix. Comparing the situation at UM to VT is foolish and what the term "comparing apples to oranges" was invented to represent!

[pbcfrcane13]

Well hank didnt come in 08 he came in the year before.....and I would disagree Spence started and if not played most of the game is freshman year. Marve played and split time with Harris. The WR all freshman played. AJ, TB, Collier, Davon, Bryd were the ones that got most of the playing time. Yes Hank started the season, but saw less playing time as the year went on. Cook was in the middle Spences fresman year McCarthy was hurt and and Spence played on the outside.

[Zakkee]

I got 14.

Posted by: pbcfrcane13 | October 25, 2012 at 02:51 PM

Please name them?

Remember:
1) Given the position from day 1
2) with no competition

I have 0 that fit that category.

[pbcfrcane13]

Forston played a lot his freshman year...maybe not started but we already know starting doesnt matter. its about playing time and playing in the 4th.

[Zakkee]

I added them 86 lol!

[86Cane]

Fras...now that you have clarified your position about redshirting players "going forward" it makes a little more sense, but just a little.

It is still likely that next year Miami will still need to play Freshman on defense and maybe some special teams.

And IF Olsen is that great he or RS Freshman Gray Crow may wind up with the starting QB job.

Yeah I said it!

[pbcfrcane13]

Starting doesnt matter in my books. PT matters more Spence played and Harris on D played a whole lot

WR: Hankerson and Kayne got pushed aside fast and early by AJ, TB, Collier, Davon, Byrd.

Harris split time with Marve everybody knew that Harris was going to be the started no matter the next year.....even so that Marve left because of it.

[pbcfrcane13]

Leading in WR stats were all fresman.

[86Cane]

Harris split time with Marve everybody knew that Harris was going to be the started no matter the next year.....even so that Marve left because of it.

Posted by: pbcfrcane13 | October 25, 2012 at 03:30 PM

Marve did have some of his own issues but yes, I agree with you on everything you posted above about each of the players U mentioned, not just the QB.

[calGary Cane]

Leading in WR stats were all fresman.

Posted by: pbcfrcane13 | October 25, 2012 at 03:32 PM

Linemen have the most need to RS. Those who make it to play college ball suddenly find that there size is matched up in college.

WR are probably the least required to RS in college. They may be expected to block if it is a run play, but that's kinda optional.

[pbcfrcane13]

Sean Spence was third in tackles for the team that year. Marcus Robinson was 5ht

Harris was 8th ojomo 14th Forston was 18th

[pbcfrcane13]

In the end to me it doesnt matter to me that a new coach lets his first class to come in and play right away while you have the SR, JR sit and watch. The problem is when you start bringing in other player behind that "big class" and dont let those kids compete for playing time.

[canezilla]

Hey ive been on the uni and black socks and shoes since we changed them!

Posted by: pbcfrcane13 | October 25, 2012 at 02:59 PM
NOW WE ARE TALKING REAL FOOTBALL.WHY CAN'T PEOPLE SEE THIS IS THE MAJOR ISSUE WITH THIS TEAM.HOPE THE NEW AD FIX THIS RIGHT AWAY!!!!

[pbcfrcane13]

LMAO!!! Zilla you damn right!!! You cant play good if you dont look good go ask Oregon damn it!!

[jiggafras]

I did not say we should redshirt all our players, its just not possible nor is it probable. In any case...if we recruit DTs that are 270 pounds....even if they gain 30 pounds by seasons start, they should redshirt...even if we had to move Jeremy Lewis back to DT, there wouldnt be much difference...we are still giving up 500 yards and 250 rushing every game. IF we get DEs that are 220-230, either we used them like we used McCord and they get redshirted. In the long run its better. EJ44 is a prime example of the benefit of redshirting players. In fairness, they did redshirt EJ44 and GP36 and those two by the time they are JRs are gonna be beasts no doubt about it. Paul is already 230 and EJ44 is 238, both are bigger than Spence was his entire time here. And both of these guys have already land player of the week honors in the ACC. And i absolutely believe Golden should redshirt the DL players that are coming in. He has recruited alot of DTs since he has been here, Grimble, Pierre, King, Briscoe, Earl Moore and others....if he bring in 3 more DTs that will be around 10 he has brought in. This is where we are deficient and we better start redshirting some of them

[pbcfrcane13]

Yes this next class most of the kids should be RS.

[Ohio_Cane]

Kirk Herbstreit - "When you look at their roster and see all the true freshmen, I mean there are some specimens and some guys that are going to be some big time, big time players down the road"

[thewordfromtheherb]

I've been looking down that road and there is no end in sight.

[raizecane]

Raize...remember UM vs UCF basketball in December @UCF.

Posted by: 86Cane | October 25, 2012 at 01:43 PM

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Roger that

[Zakkee]

I dont have any inside info I just go off of what I read and see. To me the may problem with the 08 class was a lot of those kids were given there spot from day one and did not have to fight for it.

Posted by: pbcfrcane13 | October 25, 2012 at 02:35 PM

Please name them?

Remember:
1) Given the position from day 1
2) with no competition

I have 0 that fit that category.

Posted by: Zakkee | October 25, 2012 at 03:20 PM

Starting doesnt matter in my books. PT matters more Spence played and Harris on D played a whole lot

WR: Hankerson and Kayne got pushed aside fast and early by AJ, TB, Collier, Davon, Byrd.

Harris split time with Marve everybody knew that Harris was going to be the started no matter the next year.....even so that Marve left because of it.

Posted by: pbcfrcane13 | October 25, 2012 at 03:30 PM

Who said anything about starting or stats? U didn't...I didn't.

You said that they were given their spot from day one without any competition.

None of them were...thats a fact.

Now that Shannon is gone, everything that he stood for and was praised for by Us fans is reversed. Shannon used to be Mr. Accountability and favored the seniors remember??

Now that he's gone: he favored the freshmen??

The upperclassmen were all over the field.

[Ohio_Cane]

SMD - #Canes DE Kelvin Cain's mother: "He's heartbroken. He said he did not quit the team.'' http://bit.ly/TiOygf

[pbcfrcane13]

I never said he favored seniors. I said he favored his 08 kids and they always started. Also I got this from what I saw and read from the reports who report on the team. I loved Randy till the end Ive said that before. I do believe he lived and died with that 08 class and he got fired becasuse of them.

Well see if Golden does the samething the only differance is Golden may not have a chances because of the sanctions we may get hit with.

[pbcfrcane13]

Sounds like a lot of confusion going on their.

[Zakkee]

I dont have any inside info I just go off of what I read and see. To me the may problem with the 08 class was a lot of those kids were given there spot from day one and did not have to fight for it.

Posted by: pbcfrcane13 | October 25, 2012 at 02:35 PM

Starting doesnt matter in my books. PT matters more Spence played and Harris on D played a whole lot

I never said he favored seniors. I said he favored his 08 kids and they always started.

lol! Naw, you're clear

[pbcfrcane13]

Need to meet up with everybody on a Friday at Duffys I bet their is some great convo that goes on about our CANES!!

[THE MAN]

Kirk Herbstreit - "When you look at their roster and see all the true freshmen, I mean there are some specimens and some guys that are going to be some big time, big time players down the road"

Posted by: Ohio_Cane | October 25, 2012 at 04:18 PM

He probably said the same thing in 2008...

[Tonycane]

Willie will, I did a cursory check while at lunch and nothing I could find. Not going to devote too much time to temple stuff...lol.

[LaQuinton]

Herbstreit was with Miami 08,09 in 10 he jumped off....

[pbcfrcane13]

Thats because we all were buying into the treding up of Shannons team, 5-7, 7-6, 9-4, and than BOOM!!! AH!!

Now lets see if we can trust in the Golden progression

[Tonycane]

Yeah, we'll see. Golden has to have good classes year after year, and not rest on the laurels of one good class. To be labour the point again, we need at least the number of 4 star players as we do 3 star players.

[86Cane]

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