Fraser coached the Hurricanes for 30 years from 1963-92. While never posting a losing season, his teams won 1,271 games and captured the 1982 and 1985 national titles. More than a hundred of Fraser's ballplayers went on to professional baseball and many more started successful careers.
"Our entire family is deeply touched and excited about the plans for a Ron Fraser statue," said Elizabeth Fraser Kraut, one of Ron's daughters, "and that it will stand at the stadium that always represented his dedication, determination, pride and his deep love for not only the game, but for his players, the University of Miami, the fans and the entire South Florida community. This season will mark the 50th year that we became a part of the U Family, so the timing could not be more perfect."
"Coach Fraser's love for the South Florida community is immeasurable, which makes the establishment of a community fund even more special," said Interim Director of Athletics Blake James. "There is no doubt in my mind that - when we unveil this statue - hundreds, if not thousands, of Fraser supporters will be responsible for making this monument a reality."
Friends and fans of the man nicknamed "The Wizard of College Baseball" can make a contribution to the Ron Fraser Wizard Fund by clicking on this link: DONATE TO THE RON FRASER WIZARD FUND. All contributions are tax-deductible.
"Personally, I am very excited about this because Coach Fraser is the most influential person in my career and the man who put college baseball on the map," said University of Miami head baseball coach Jim Morris. "He is like a father to me, and I encourage Hurricane fans and college baseball fans to join me in making a contribution."
Championship baseball aside, Fraser's program was celebrated as much for its success at the box office and becoming the standard by which other programs were judged. Aggressively promoting his Hurricanes and college baseball in lockstep, Fraser's teams broke every school and national record for season tickets sold, attendance and revenue, while college baseball grew exponentially in UM's wake.
Following his retirement as a college baseball coach in 1992, Fraser coached the U.S. national baseball team at the 1992 Summer Olympics in Barcelona, chaired countless community and charity organizations, played a pivotal role in bringing Major League Baseball to South Florida, and reveled in quality time with his wife, three children and five grandchildren.
"On the field and off, Ron Fraser showed how one man can make a difference," said James. "The University of Miami, South Florida and college baseball are all better because of him, and we invite his friends and fans to join us in thanking Coach Ron Fraser by supporting this magnificent tribute."
Secure online contributions can be made by clicking here DONATE TO THE RON FRASER WIZARD FUND. For more information, contact Rick Remmert, UM's Director of Alumni Programs, at 305-284-9517, or by e-mail at r.remmert@miami.edu.
First
Posted by: AnthonyJManis aka Antcane | October 23, 2012 at 08:26 PM
Do I get a canespace tee?
Posted by: AnthonyJManis aka Antcane | October 23, 2012 at 08:27 PM
Anthony...email me at: canespace86@aol.com
Posted by: SOUP | October 23, 2012 at 08:31 PM
GREAT, CANESPACE HAS ANTS NOW LOL
Posted by: canezilla | October 23, 2012 at 08:33 PM
Roaches too. (RoachCane77)
Posted by: SOUP | October 23, 2012 at 08:37 PM
AntCane...U ever hear from our former female friend and blogger from Orlando?
Posted by: SOUP | October 23, 2012 at 08:38 PM
Lmao Zilla!
Posted by: Ohio_Cane | October 23, 2012 at 08:40 PM
No
Posted by: AnthonyJManis aka Antcane | October 23, 2012 at 08:42 PM
That's what I thought. SAD.
I'll hook U up with the shirt.
Posted by: SOUP | October 23, 2012 at 08:54 PM
I now know where the Golden rumors started.
I will fix it.
Posted by: SOUP | October 23, 2012 at 09:04 PM
Yeah, you know there's WAY MORE insects out here than people.
Hey, a Cane fan is a Cane fan... welcome Antcane!
Posted by: roachcane77 | October 23, 2012 at 09:13 PM
Zakkee...your GENERAL theory or concept is a good one (blame for both players and coaches is fair and balanced) but when you use specific examples of certain players that it was in fact ALL their fault and nothing to do with the coaches you weaken it if not destroy your argument completely.
Posted by: SOUP | October 23, 2012 at 05:55 PM
Do U have a more complex theory or concept of accountability when all info is not known? My premise was based on all info not being known besides the fact that its the truth (that u guys don't know everything in every situation--but the player gets bashed in every situation).
I don't know what happened with Kevin Nelson and Devontae Davis besides the fact that they left. Have/did you spoken/speak with them to get their side of the story?
I really don't care anymore though, y'all do your thing.
Posted by: Zakkee | October 23, 2012 at 09:17 PM
AntCane in picture #2 below:
http://canespace.typepad.com/canespace/2009/10/when-the-knights-fall.html
Posted by: SOUP | October 23, 2012 at 09:19 PM
For all STAR WATCHERS
I'm going to post the recruiting numbers for a similar school like ours, Stanford while Andrew Luck was there.
Posted by: Willie Will in Nashville | October 23, 2012 at 09:24 PM
Posted by: Willie Will in Nashville | October 23, 2012 at 09:26 PM
Soup,
Did you get my email?
Posted by: Willie Will in Nashville | October 23, 2012 at 09:28 PM
I really don't care anymore though, y'all do your thing.
Posted by: Zakkee | October 23, 2012 at 09:17 PM
That's what happens when U get called out because U don't have the foggiest friggin clue what U are talking about.
U don't know even HALF of the chit that goes on behind the scenes. But yet U and your elitist attitude that makes U think that U are smarter than everyone else and knows more than everyone else gets U into so much trouble that U can't get out of that you bail and cry and scream.
Hey have U ever seen the movie with Cheech and Chong in it: "Up In Smoke"? Yeah that's what you and the players U mentioned need to watch.
Posted by: SOUP | October 23, 2012 at 09:28 PM
Christ, zakkee the info about Nelson is so well known that I know it. Kid talked big, could've back it up, and left, never to be heard from again. Jeremy brown "allegedly" raped a female student (his story wad so far beyond absurd that I hesitate to even use the term allegedly) and got booted. How you attribute either of these guys as losses by Golden is too big a stretch even for the most hardcore Golden bashers
Posted by: j.w. | October 23, 2012 at 09:33 PM
Seriously 86 this is one of your best, great article!
Posted by: canechic | October 18, 2009 at 12:11 PM
Like I was sayin...
Posted by: SOUP | October 23, 2012 at 09:36 PM
How you attribute either of these guys as losses by Golden is too big a stretch even for the most hardcore Golden bashers
Posted by: j.w. | October 23, 2012 at 09:33 PM
Zakkee has serious anger management issues that are often masked by his strong intellectual abilities.
Posted by: SOUP | October 23, 2012 at 09:38 PM
Metaphysics is a branch of philosophy concerned with explaining the fundamental nature of being and the world,[1] although the term is not easily defined.[2] Traditionally, metaphysics attempts to answer two basic questions in the broadest possible terms:
1.What is there?
2.What is it like?[3]
A person who studies metaphysics is called a metaphysicist[4] or a metaphysician.[5] The metaphysician attempts to clarify the fundamental notions by which people understand the world, e.g., existence, objects and their properties, space and time, cause and effect, and possibility. A central branch of metaphysics is ontology, the investigation into the basic categories of being and how they relate to each other. Another central branch of metaphysics is cosmology, the study of the totality of all phenomena within the universe.
Posted by: SOUP | October 23, 2012 at 09:49 PM
In a continuation of last night's post, let's look at how Miami's last four recruiting classes rank compare with our opponents on the schedule. I'm not counting for early departures or transfers in this scenario, but the numbers should still roughly apply:
2009: (1)*****,(9)****,(8)***,(1)**
2010: (0)*****,(6)****,(18)***,(4)**
2011: (0)*****,(2)****,(13)***,(2)**
2012: (2)*****,(8)****,(23)***,(0)**
5 Stars: 3
4 Stars: 25
3 Stars: 62
2 Stars: 7
Now let's compare that to our remaining opponents:
VIRGINIA TECH
2009: (0)*****,(5)****,(14)***,(3)**
2010: (0)*****,(4)****,(14)***,(0)**
2011: (0)*****,(4)****,(14)***,(3)**
2012: (0)*****,(7)****,(19)***,(2)**
5 Stars: 0
4 Stars: 20
3 Stars: 42
2 Stars: 8
VIRGINIA
2009: (0)*****,(5)****,(11)***,(9)**
2010: (0)*****,(1)****,(12)***,(4)**
2011: (0)*****,(5)****,(17)***,(3)**
2012: (0)*****,(4)****,(16)***,(6)**
5 Stars: 0
4 Stars: 15
3 Stars: 56
2 Stars: 22
SOUTH FLORIDA
2009: (0)*****,(5)****,(17)***,(6)**
2010: (0)*****,(2)****,(12)***,(5)**
2011: (0)*****,(1)****,(15)***,(4)**
2012: (0)*****,(2)****,(16)***,(2)**
5 Stars: 0
4 Stars: 10
3 Stars: 60
2 Stars: 17
DUKE
2009: (0)*****,(2)****,(13)***,(12)**
2010: (0)*****,(0)****,(10)***,(10)**
2011: (0)*****,(0)****,(11)***,(9)**
2012: (0)*****,(1)****,(10)***,(9)**
5 Stars: 0
4 Stars: 3
3 Stars: 44
2 Stars: 40
Based on this, we have a solid chance in each remaining game.
Posted by: TonyCane | October 23, 2012 at 09:56 PM
Called out???
U still haven't answered my question: have you spoken with Nelson or Davis?
Elitist attitude from the person who has been the Blog Nazi and banned so many Canes fans from his blog when they don't agree with him or hold his jock strap (stroke Ur ego).
Would an elitist admit to being ignorant of a situation? Or would he profess to be all knowing like U?
Elitist thats the pot calling the kettle black.
If i were an elitist you'd have undying admiration for me and I wouldn't be able to any wrong. U love elitist and hate rebels--which is what the Hurricane were when you went to school there--but you missed that theme lol!
Bail and scream thru a computer??? You are the one using all caps in every post directed at me.
U support this UM administration and Board to the death but you don't support our Commander and Chief the same. Whats the difference between you good ole boys philosophy of unwavering blind support for Golden, but not for your President's administration?
I don't know what you ate tonight but you need a nap bro. U just shot out a cannon for no reason really.
j.w. I miss stuff--I'm human..i knew about Brown..I never attributed either one of these guys to loses by Golden. I said aside from Brown we don't know everything with the other kids, so we shouldn't pass such strong judgement, using such strong terms.
The enemy is always the kids that leave because the are safe punching bag--they can't hit back once they leave.
And I'm not smart or a Golden basher. Those are descriptions others have attributed to me.
Posted by: Zakkee | October 23, 2012 at 09:56 PM
U are still stuck on Metaphysics LOL!!!!
I was referring to dj moonbat's training as an attorney and how you didn't stand a chance in a logical argument with him due to his training...not mine! Lol...you give me waaay to much credit my friend!
Slow down...U are so quick to chew my head off and disagree with anything I say that u aren't reading clearly.
Emotions clouding reason.
Posted by: Zakkee | October 23, 2012 at 10:00 PM
U still haven't answered my question: have you spoken with Nelson or Davis?
YES, I spoke directly to people who spoke to them.
Posted by: SOUP | October 23, 2012 at 10:10 PM
And I'm not smart or a Golden basher. Those are descriptions others have attributed to me.
Posted by: Zakkee | October 23, 2012 at 09:56 PM
I said OUT LOUD that U are smart.
Posted by: SOUP | October 23, 2012 at 10:12 PM
from previous blog -
Could Arkansas athletic director Jeff Long become the next athletic director at Miami?
Anybody know what this is about?
From BMOC article on espn.com
Posted by: pbcfrcane13 | October 23, 2012 at 02:30 PM
**************************************
I hope not. He made the best decision to let Bobby "I'm going for a motorcycle ride with a hottie" Petrino go but then screws up royally by hiring John L. Smith.
Posted by: raizecane | October 23, 2012 at 07:17 PM
Posted by: raizecane | October 23, 2012 at 10:17 PM
Zakkee...yeah Metaphysics, since U brought it up as a strength for your Presidnetial candidate, is my new area of study. What is yours?
Posted by: SOUP | October 23, 2012 at 10:17 PM
I was at that UCF game and still remember Angry jumping in to do the power beer bong that u have a picture of..... that was a fun day indeed.
Posted by: raizecane | October 23, 2012 at 10:21 PM
RaizeCane..Hell yeah! Remember how we rescued that UCF student who was drunken bum and gave him a sandwhich? Actually that was one of our BEST tailgates ever.
Ah, those were the days...
Posted by: SOUP | October 23, 2012 at 10:24 PM
Soup - Oh yea, he thanked us BIG TIME.
That and the Champs Bowl. I still go out to youtube and look at the video I took that day. Which is a good thing cause I didn't remember much.
Posted by: raizecane | October 23, 2012 at 10:27 PM
Raize..bring it!
Posted by: SOUP | October 23, 2012 at 10:33 PM
I've attacked arguments on this blog but have and just personally attacked me. Describing and spinning my intentions and character to resemble your own (projecting).
Metaphysics & Obama lol! I don't see the connection but have at it. Apparently i've sent you on a mission for clarity so good luck with your endeavors. I'm not voting for either personally, I just don't see how Golden and the UM administration deserve time, unwavering allegiance and support to work their "process", but your President doesn't. Is football more important than your life? Was he left with the cupboards full or bare--4 years ago?, was he in need of a Schnell/Butch rebuild? lol!
The contrasts in the ideologies are hilarious!
My area of study is the truth. I seek/pursue it, embrace it although it hurts, learn it, think it, speak it and then telling the truth becomes habitual.
Unfortunately it leads to a life of struggle and undeserved infamy...but I'll take it. Its the price one pays when they make this commitment or take this path.
There's precedent for your behavior and mine.
Posted by: Zakkee | October 23, 2012 at 11:13 PM
Zakkee...well done and well said!
Posted by: SOUP | October 23, 2012 at 11:19 PM
So not to interupt this silly little argument..but any word on injuries? Anything new?
Posted by: panamacitycane | October 23, 2012 at 11:24 PM
Now let's compare Miami's last four recruiting classes to the teams that they lost to this year:
MIAMI
2009: (1)*****,(9)****,(8)***,(1)**
2010: (0)*****,(6)****,(18)***,(4)**
2011: (0)*****,(2)****,(13)***,(2)**
2012: (2)*****,(8)****,(23)***,(0)**
5 Stars: 3
4 Stars: 25
3 Stars: 62
2 Stars: 7
FLORIDA STATE
2009: (2)*****,(10)****,(8)***,(1)**
2010: (2)*****,(8)****,(14)***,(0)**
2011: (2)*****,(13)****,(13)***,(1)**
2012: (3)*****,(9)****,(5)***,(1)**
5 Stars: 11
4 Stars: 40
3 Stars: 40
2 Stars: 3
NORTH CAROLINA
2009: (1)*****,(13)****,(9)***,(5)**
2010: (0)*****,(4)****,(16)***,(1)**
2011: (0)*****,(8)****,(13)***,(3)**
2012: (0)*****,(3)****,(18)***,(2)**
5 Stars: 1
4 Stars: 32
3 Stars: 56
2 Stars: 11
NOTRE DAME
2009: (1)*****,(9)****,(5)***,(3)**
2010: (0)*****,(10)****,(12)***,(1)**
2011: (2)*****,(8)****,(11)***,(1)**
2012: (1)*****,(8)****,(7)***,(2)**
5 Stars: 4
4 Stars: 35
3 Stars: 35
2 Stars: 7
KANSAS STATE
2009: (0)*****,(0)****,(12)***,(13)**
2010: (0)*****,(2)****,(12)***,(3)**
2011: (0)*****,(0)****,(20)***,(8)**
2012: (0)*****,(1)****,(14)***,(6)**
5 Stars: 0
4 Stars: 3
3 Stars: 78
2 Stars: 30
In three of the four losses, the teams that beat Miami had more four star players than the Hurricanes. Kansas State is an anomaly, boosted by a much higher percentage of JUCO players.
Posted by: TonyCane | October 23, 2012 at 11:31 PM
### UM canceled a home-and-home football series with Memphis in 2014 and 2015, feeling it was pointless to play.
### Though he presumably would have left for Nebraska regardless, a UM source said it didn’t help that former athletic director Shawn Eichorst’s Pinecrest home was robbed – with lots taken, including his wife’s jewelry – while he was traveling to Boston for the football opener this season..
Read more here: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/sports-buzz/2012/10/barkley-heat-might-not-make-it-out-of-east-shaq-others-weigh-in-marlins-on-guillen-firing.html#storylink=cpy
Posted by: PlayaCane aka Rashad | October 23, 2012 at 11:45 PM
Rashad.......good to see ya bro.....
Posted by: raizecane | October 24, 2012 at 12:15 AM
Tonycane,
There is no anomaly about KSU. They have the best coach of all those teams. So great coaching beats great recruiting. Thanks for the proof. Lol!
Also, your math needs improvement. UNC's 4*'s 13+4+8+3= 28 not 32. UNC's 4&5*'s total out to 29 compared to UM's total of 28. UM outnumbered UNC's 3*'s 62 to 56. They break even, with UM having the slight edge. ND's 4&5*'s totaled out to 39 to UM's 28 but UM had 27 more 3*'s. They broke even. So, the only team that hands down outrecruited UM was FSU. FSU had 23 more 4&5*'s than UM.
So the worst recruits by far is the best team by far. Due to better coaching. Ain't that a bitch... LMAO
Posted by: CoCane | October 24, 2012 at 12:31 AM
Tony,
So I guess you are saying that teams that are doing good with less 4* & 5* players have juco players???
Posted by: Willie Will in Nashville | October 24, 2012 at 12:33 AM
Don't get it twisted though. Great coaching & great recruiting is at the top of the food chain...
Posted by: CoCane | October 24, 2012 at 12:41 AM
Stanford's recruiting. 2008 Andrew Luck was one of their 4* recruits.
2008: (2)5*,(14)4*,(8)3*,(8)2*
2009: (1)5*,(9)4*,(8)3*,(1)2*
2010: (0)5*,(6)4*,(18)3*,(4)2*
2011: (0)5*,(2)4*,(13)3*,(2)2*
Totals(0)5*,(22)4*,(46)3*,(12)2*
HEAD COACH JIM HARBAUGH, thats the difference not the ****'s
Posted by: Willie Will in Nashville | October 24, 2012 at 01:04 AM
Good stuff TonyCane, and good follow up CoCane. You clearly have to identify prospects, recruit to your philosphy and develop players when they arrive.
Florida continues to produce great talent, and you see that on display each Saturday and Sunday. The problem is that recently, is that UM did not recruit players like Denard Robinson and Geno Smith and they did not develop the players that the did recruit.
Golden is trying to fix that. I hear the H.S. coaches say that UM is now recruiting their good players. I see players developing under Golden. A victory at home against Virginia Tech will go a long way towards building this program and attracting the kind of recruits that Al Golden wants.
Posted by: BigWindyCane1 | October 24, 2012 at 05:48 AM
Fire Jim Morris!
Er, I mean, D'No. Sorry, knee jerk reaction, channeling my inner Six.
Willie Will, your star totals don't add up correctly for Stanford.
Zakkee, I have a question, where on your theorized romantic/conceptual scale would Golden sit if we calibrated it to a Platonic ideal of a PSU Nittany Lion program creator for him? On the opposite end of where he is on the Miami Hurricane scale?
Posted by: orange 'n green in the vein | October 24, 2012 at 07:30 AM
I said aside from Brown we don't know everything with the other kids, so we shouldn't pass such strong judgement, using such strong terms.
Posted by: Zakkee | October 23, 2012 at 09:56 PM
Zakkee, it was well known that Kevin Nelson quit on the team before the Sun Bowl. Matter of fact, I think AG tried to work with the boy, but it just didn't work out.
It was well known that Latwan Anderson had "issues". IMO, the kid didn't seem like a team player, He would've been a cancer to what AG was trying to implement.
It was well known what Darion Hall's HS coach thought about Him, and it didn't have anything to do with His YT highlights.
Brown, well, we know about Him.
I mean think about it bruh, 13 kids either didn't make it on campus, never played a down at UM, got kicked out of school, quit, or didn't pan out for whatever reason. No major CFB team in America can afford that type of attrition, especially during a coaching transition. I don't know, but looking at that class in hindsight, that class was SEVERELY! mis-evaluated, and right now, that mis-evaluation is hurting us. Just my two pieces of copper on it...
Posted by: CaneRock | October 24, 2012 at 07:54 AM
So this is what Canespace is like during the bye week...
The Shannon 5-stars (save Spence) fell dead in the sky.
At least the Golden 5-stars (Chickillo, Grimble, Howard, Duke) are in the starting rotation and for the most part making a bit of an impact.
Posted by: LB | October 24, 2012 at 08:06 AM
It seems to me that some of the best players are 3 and 4 stars!
Bush 4*, Perryman 3*, E Johnson 3*, Dorsett 4*, S Morris 3*,
Sean Spence was a 4*. Author Brown was the 5* linebacker in the 08 class. A Brown and Storm Johnson are the " two that got away". All the other transfers I never hear about.
Al Golden is turning this around!
Posted by: Jack | October 24, 2012 at 08:47 AM
Willie...I'm posting the fact about JUCO players at K State because that was has been mentioned repeatedly on this site, as well as up here in Austin when the Wildcats beat Texas on a semiregular basis. Snyder's patten is to use an inordinate amount of JUCO players. Not 1 or 2, but in the double digits. Add to that he is a great coach. Basically K-State is the anomaly on Miami's schedule.
CoCane...sorry about some bad mathematics...I was pretty tired when I looked that up and was also under a time crunch.
Posted by: TonyCane | October 24, 2012 at 09:03 AM
Willie, I would agree. A superlative coach like a Harbaugh or perhaps a Snyder can make due with less talented recruits.
Give that same roster to a Mack Brown or Butch Davis and you get a lesser result.
Posted by: TonyCane | October 24, 2012 at 09:04 AM
Once again... Just because Butch put together a squad with rediculous amounts of all americans & 1st round talent doesn't mean they were 4* & 5* coming out of high school.
Tonycane... Butch did more with 1*, 2*, 3* & juco talent than any coach ever...
Posted by: CoCane | October 24, 2012 at 10:01 AM
OGV, I don't understand this part of your question:
Platonic ideal of a PSU Nittany Lion program creator for him?
Are you asking if according to my ideal of the two types of Canes fans (which by the way--were not derived from any philosophers--but from what the words mean and what they represent to me), is AG considered a romantic or conceptual to PSU's program and his roots (as an alumnus and obvious fan of PSU)?
CaneRock, I agree with that post. but all I said was two things on response:
1) Well-known doesn't mean all-known--that all the info was present. Well-known means that a lot of people are aware of a particular aspect of the circumstance. Well-known doesn't always encompass all sides of an issue/situation.
And
2) With all of that severe misevaluation that you mentioned and how its hurting Us now--all things I definitely agree with. I simply stated that some of the responsibility for those 13 players not panning out has to be on the adults/coaching staff/AD department as well. The people who asked to (actively recruited them), promised to (parents), and agreed to accepting the responsibility of facilitating and providing a healthy environment for the kids success on and off the field. Relationships involve two or more persons. When they split, its usually due to some issues on both/all sides, not just one.
You named 13 kids on your list and believe that 4 of them definitely were the only source of those irreconcilable differences. What happened with the other 9?
CaneRock, I agree with this last post and the first one--these kids not panning out has hurt Us. All I did was add on to your post with my thoughts 1 & 2^^. U are defending a post that was not truly attacked.
Well-known is not enough for me personally. Whether the well-known is true and what the other side has to say, are also important factors to me. Thats the one good thing about the Presidential debates. The fact checking that takes place afterwards and just hearing their sides/sentiments/perspective from their own mouths.
Go Canes!
Posted by: Zakkee | October 24, 2012 at 10:05 AM
"Are you asking if according to my ideal of the two types of Canes fans (which by the way--were not derived from any philosophers--but from what the words mean and what they represent to me), is AG considered a romantic or conceptual to PSU's program and his roots (as an alumnus and obvious fan of PSU)?"
Yes. Interested on how that might contrast your evaluation of him in relation to his football origins in relation to his job coaching UM.
Assuming you see a difference in what underlying factors and motivations fueled UM and PSU's respective rises as programs of course.
Posted by: orange 'n green in the vein | October 24, 2012 at 10:09 AM
Well at least I got Herbie who agrees with me and says this UM team reminds him of the young UM team from 97 who took whoopings, but than took over the football world from 99-2004.
Again like I said a bunch of time I was not a die hard fan like today back than.....I wonder what this blog would be saying in 97 after we lose to fsu 0-47. Butch stinks hes the worst this UM program is died!
Paul Dee needs to go! The Admin doesnt care about winning anymore. Butch can't coach on gameday. Look at his recruiting class. WHo the hell is Ed Reed. WHy are we taking a two star from LA and not FL!! Butch needs to go!
Fun how we fans think huh lol. We live in a now society and we can't wait. WOuld anybody go through 95-98 again to get the 99-2004 seasons? I would in a heartbeat!!
Posted by: pbcfrcane13 | October 24, 2012 at 10:12 AM
If you think that were Golden is from and how he was coached and played doesn't go into his way of building a program than your crazy of course it does IMO. I would say this though. I think Golden is a very smart man and he knows the culutre he has walked into and is why he brought all the old players back and as well as talks to our boy Jimmy all the time!
I think the problem that people may have with Golden is that they are not happy that it seems like he knows that they are not winning today or next year and he knows it. Golden wants to build this program for the long haul and not just win for this season. I think a lot of fans don't like that they want to win now.
Again I would go back to what Butch did and the end results. What hurts Golden is that Randy started out the same way 5-7 year one and than 7-6( I think or was it 6-7?) and in the end Shannon failed. So people have lost faith in the bring in a big class play all freshman and by the time they are JR SR we are winning.
Shannons failures are hurting Golden.
Posted by: pbcfrcane13 | October 24, 2012 at 10:21 AM
/\/\/\
Ed Reed red-shirted in '97, so nobody would have known anything about him either way good or bad. '97 was also the year the dreaded banner planes first flew over the Orange Bowl calling for a coach, guess whoever had the pockets to waste that cash didn't know how to code their own website calling for Butch's head, at least they found someone to hire to take care of that by the time Randy was coach to go with their plane.
Posted by: orange 'n green in the vein | October 24, 2012 at 10:23 AM
My point about Reed was that he was a 2 star from LA. People would have been pissed that we recruited a 2 star from there and not Miami. Thats how this new aged sports coverage for fans work.
Dont get me wrong I get it. I was the one that supported Shannon till the end so Ive been wrong plenty of times to.
Posted by: pbcfrcane13 | October 24, 2012 at 10:26 AM
To be honest OGV, I don't really know the history of PSU's program or rise to prominence. I'm a student and crazy ass fan of UM football history from around 1986-present. So I'm ignorant of the differences in how the two programs rose.
I know UM went through the urban metropolis and roughest Dade, Palm, and Broward neighborhoods to recruit the downtrodden and give them a college education in exchange for a positive outlet to release their frustrations and determination/will to succeed and overcome their environment on the gridiron. Thats why I'm a Miami Hurricane fan. Schnell and JJ accepted them for who they were (did not attempt to destroy their energy), but rather praise it, while channeling it to something that will foster a successful outcome for their futures. Add in the fact that their X's and O's were on point and conducive to the recruits learned and necessary aggression due to attrition (coaching that accentuates their skill-sets and encompasses their emotional and mental state as well). That created Hurricane championship football!
PSU?? I don't know, there's a good chance that AG is a Conceptual as a Nittany Lion.
Posted by: Zakkee | October 24, 2012 at 10:37 AM
The difference between Golden and Butch is coaching acumen.
AG will and has brought the recruits (although he does still have some work to do in locking down "The State of Miami"--some still getting away), but thats only half of the equation of the formula for UM championship ball.
The other half is X's and O's plus the understanding that the schemes must encompass the aggression that recruiting demographic entails.
These kids aren't slow, they aren't from the Midwest, and their ACC competition is not slow. Our schemes have been slowing them down--they are retreating.
AG will begin to win the ACC championship at UM as he begins and continues to lock down the necessary talent. Small victories (not national championships) are on the horizon!
-But-
In a few years, we will not able to finish the deal and beat Saban's, Meyer's, Miles', Chip Kelly's, Kiffin's, and Brain Kelly's of college football.
He'll be out coached in championship games if he doesn't get his X & O games up and realize that his coaching philosophy is not compatible with the demographic of players he is recruiting.
I pray someone talks to him and shows him the blueprint, because he's at the driver's seat of a possible Lambo (in a few years), but has relegated himself to a Dodge Charger.
A Dodge Charger is ballin in College Station but it doesn't turn a head in South Beach.
Posted by: Zakkee | October 24, 2012 at 11:01 AM
I meant in State College PA.
Posted by: Zakkee | October 24, 2012 at 11:07 AM
Zakkee I agree that in the style were playing now really on D well not win....but I have heard interviews with Golden were hes said that he does not play more press coverage and blitz more because he just does not have the horses to play that style. Which in turn tells me that he wants to do more of those things, but would rather have teams have to drive on his D hope the d makes a play and or they O makes a mistake rather than give up the 70 yard bomb or w/e.
One example off the top of my head he said on his radio show Canes hotline was the UNC 4th down were Bernard got open on the wheel route. He said that they sent a blitz and two guys went in when on of the Blitzers was supposed to cover the RB coming out of the backfield if he came out. If you watch the play youll see we had two guys coming in on the side Bernard broke free on.
So well see if he does start trusting his players more as they grow up. Also these are guys who want to play a 3-4 but just dont have the people to play it so thats something else well have to see if he switches to or mixes more of it in.
I again dont agree with that either....Look your not going to win anything this year, play your D and let the kids take there licking now.
Posted by: pbcfrcane13 | October 24, 2012 at 11:10 AM
Also at least IMO on the recruiting front I think he has done a hell of a job with his first class only having a month to recruit when we only had two oral committs.
Than last year to get the number 8 class with all the NCAA crap hanging over out heads. He got players like Tracy Howard..Duke Lewis, Jean-Louis(who hopefully comes back after this year), Bush, Hamilton, to all stay home
Posted by: pbcfrcane13 | October 24, 2012 at 11:13 AM
I feel you pb. I'm not feeling the 3-4 defense for our demographic tho.
But we'll see and I'm rooting for him.
Posted by: Zakkee | October 24, 2012 at 11:17 AM
I agree pb, as I said above, he will and has done a good job with recruiting. That's the similarity between him and Butch.
Posted by: Zakkee | October 24, 2012 at 11:19 AM
Yea Ive hated the 3-4 for a long time as well as the spread O. Im old school I guess pro style with 4-3 D and press corners one on one.
I have also seen though that with College football going more spread its seems like 3-4(bamas D) works well because you have more speed out there with 3 Down line men and 4 LBs who can rush or cover. Lets just hope this ends the way Butchs era ended and not Shannons
Posted by: pbcfrcane13 | October 24, 2012 at 11:26 AM
That is true and I didn't think of that with Bama. An ideal defense would probably have the ability to play both styles well.
Posted by: Zakkee | October 24, 2012 at 11:35 AM
Zakkee I agree that in the style were playing now really on D well not win....but I have heard interviews with Golden were hes said that he does not play more press coverage and blitz more because he just does not have the horses to play that style. Which in turn tells me that he wants to do more of those things, but would rather have teams have to drive on his D hope the d makes a play and or they O makes a mistake rather than give up the 70 yard bomb or w/e.
One example off the top of my head he said on his radio show Canes hotline was the UNC 4th down were Bernard got open on the wheel route. He said that they sent a blitz and two guys went in when on of the Blitzers was supposed to cover the RB coming out of the backfield if he came out. If you watch the play youll see we had two guys coming in on the side Bernard broke free on.
Posted by: pbcfrcane13 | October 24, 2012 at 11:10 AM
That Bernard catch had nothing to do with horses, that was just a blown coverage, nobody covered Him at all. The same thing happened against FSU when Chris Thompson caught that wheel route, nobody covered Him at all.
Posted by: CaneRock | October 24, 2012 at 11:35 AM
Well thats my point. Horses also meaning players who know what to look for and can adjust on the fly of a play. They did not regonize that he was going out. Somebody from what Golden said was supposed to pick him up and they didn't.
Yesterday Sedano was speaking with Daren Smith during the FSU game and saw FSU go into X motions during a play and Smith pointed out before the snap...watch the TE will be wide open no TE has shifted to pick him up. Now we don't know the D played calledl, but he did say that Smith said it looked like a Man coverage.
Again to Zakkees point of we dont know if that was a blown play by a player or bad play call by the coach. I would say with players who have played in a system they well have the freedom to make adjustments when they see something. My guess right now they do not have the freedom to check out of a D play call if they see something. That will come with trust and time......I hope. Again all I can go off of is what I read from reporters and hear from coached and what former players think and make my own opinion.
Posted by: pbcfrcane13 | October 24, 2012 at 11:44 AM
/\/\/\
Which again gets back to the coaches not getting the players to grasp the scheme so either play players that do grasp it or barring a lack of those, get your scheme simplified to stop the major busts that are losing winnable games.
This shouldn't have taken a year and a half with a veteran head coach who imported a lot of his defensive staff from his previous stop. Neither should it have taken this long for Golden to start calling more plays on the defensive side of the ball once it became obvious his college roommate has no feel for situational play calls. There's no reason UM couldn't have won both home losses this season with better coaching, Morris' gimpy ankle or not.
Posted by: orange 'n green in the vein | October 24, 2012 at 12:10 PM
OGV I would disagree with you on that one. With more of a veteran team last year we had a better D. This year in the two most important spots on the field your playing a Freshman safety and two other guys who well are just ok in Highsmith and Rodgers II. At MLB you had a guy playing it for the fist time Soph Perryman....now you changed him because your other LB freshamn EJ and either Fr or guys who arent that good in Gaines, Armbrister,Paul, Tyrone were getting bet to the outside. Now you have to move your best LB back to the outside and now inside you have MLB who is eh ok in Gaines or you start freshman in Kirby or Paul.
At DB you got one corner who has proven to be ok not great and freshman and soph. One of the Soph is a juco so this is his first year in the system.
I wont even go over the DL we know what a mess that is. So to sit there and say that they should have figured it out by now I disagree. There pretty much starting over with kids not men. Now you may be right and 2-3 years from now if were still getting torched like this I will scream at the top of my lungs OGV was right lol.
You may think that none of that should matter and just coach them up. Well than their is no point of having a discussion because your set in your ways and don't want to look at other things that may be causing the bad D which is fine and I can understand that stand point. Their is a lot of fans who feel that way.
Posted by: pbcfrcane13 | October 24, 2012 at 12:27 PM
Our Canes Hoops team is going to be pretty decent, it should make the Tourney and I think that will help with recruiting. I predict a 3rd place ACC finish and round of 32 in the tourney. I predict Big Reg will go 2nd rd in the Draft and will be like a Blair type kid out of Pitt that was 2nd rd but great value as a down low presence somewhat undersized but good rebounder and space eater.
BTW I hate the term "Commit-able offer"
Either you have an offer or you do not. I mean really why do we try to out think ourselves. I get that we offer over 100 kids every year and not all can commit, but if we offer a kid then if he commits then we accept his commitment. There is such a thing as a "Conditional offer" but that does not go into effect until the conditions are met and often times they are not met.
Posted by: Hassan | October 24, 2012 at 12:36 PM
Duke Johnson practiced today. X-rays negative. Golden says he's not 100 percent, but over 90 percent.
Posted by: Ohio_Cane | October 24, 2012 at 12:39 PM
Willie Will, your star totals don't add up correctly for Stanford.
Posted by: orange 'n green in the vein | October 24, 2012 at 07:30 AM
You right, I was drunk lol
Posted by: Willie Will in Nashville | October 24, 2012 at 12:41 PM
Sober CORRECTION
Stanford's recruiting. 2008 Andrew Luck was one of their 4* recruits.
2008: (0)5*,(2)4*,(8)3*,(7)2*
2009: (0)5*,(8)4*,(12)3*,(2)2*
2010: (0)5*,(5)4*,(15)3*,(2)2*
2011: (0)5*,(7)4*,(11)3*,(1)2*
Totals(0)5*,(22)4*,(46)3*,(12)2*
HEAD COACH JIM HARBAUGH, thats the difference not the ****'s
Posted by: Willie Will in Nashville | October 24, 2012 at 01:04 AM
Posted by: Willie Will in Nashville | October 24, 2012 at 12:45 PM
Zakkee- you truly are a smart guy, and I'm not faulting you for missing stuff, really. If you were arguing the staff isn't getting the most out of someone like Dallas Crawford, or they fumbled with Storm Johnson when they came in (two guys that I think have shown some ability and could be useful), I couldn't find any fault. But there are some examples that are just too extreme. And that goes both ways- I'm not sure Golden should get all the credit for some of the kids who turn into players after several years in the program, just because it happened on his watch. McGee was bound to turn things around IMO because he had the ability, he needed to find the focus. That's as much a result of his own dedication as it is to anything he learned.
Posted by: j.w. | October 24, 2012 at 12:54 PM
Billy Corben on Sileo's podcast yesterday
...killed it, completely on point in every aspect of his views.
http://wqam.com/podcast
Go to 5. Dan Sileo and fast forward to 31.00 by clicking on the radiowave icon.
This arguing that we are doing is due to a business decision people at the top are making. They're priority differs from our own (as fans).
We don't have to attack them for that decision, but for Us to defend them (ignore their impact or influence on our football team's ability to be elite) to the bitter end...just baffles me.
We'd rather fight our peers (other fans) than confront (in thought, word, action or feeling) the ones with the control.
Posted by: Zakkee | October 24, 2012 at 12:55 PM
I agree j.w. and thank you.
Posted by: Zakkee | October 24, 2012 at 12:58 PM
Can we talk about sunshine, rainbows and pots of gold now???
Let's Go Canes!
and Zakkee - yes the people at the top is the start of it all
Posted by: CGNC | October 24, 2012 at 01:05 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSYG1M5LNqY&feature=youtu.be
This helped me the other day CGNC ;-)
Posted by: Zakkee | October 24, 2012 at 01:11 PM
Posted by: j.w. | October 24, 2012 at 12:54 PM
Storm Johnson is not even starting at UCF, he had a fad fumble in the last game BTW. Just because someone is big and fast does not make them a great football player. As far as Dallas Crawford the kid is a RS Freshman, 10 years ago before the age of the internet we could not even name half the RS freshman on the team. Relax and let the kid find a place to play, it does not mean the coaches are making huge mistakes.
Posted by: Hassan | October 24, 2012 at 01:11 PM
The whole it starts at the top is confusing to me. Wasnt Tad Foote 10X worse than anything Donna is or has done comparted to Tad.
Look in the end its the talent and coaching you have. You can win anywhere. No matter the top says. BOise has done it for a long time now. Stanford...NW winning this year....if you get the players you win. Miami won back in the day because they were loaded with talent and coaching. Even with Tad Foote trying to kill the football program.
So do say we stink because the top is just BS imo.
Look in 09 we went 9-3 and lost in a bowl game. We were on the verge of being good again we were even in the top 10 or 12 I think before we lost to Clemson in OT...AH that game still hurts!
So this team can still be great even if the top is trying to stop them from it.
Posted by: pbcfrcane13 | October 24, 2012 at 01:12 PM
Oh year and ND isnt doing to bad either huh.
Posted by: pbcfrcane13 | October 24, 2012 at 01:14 PM
We have 11 guys currently committed but counting out silents we are nearly wrapped up with recruiting. We only have a couple of open schollies out there and we might have about 2 more then most people think we do:)
Posted by: Hassan | October 24, 2012 at 01:15 PM
I love silent recruits. I'd rather have a whole class full of them over the "committed, but options still open" paradox.
Posted by: LB | October 24, 2012 at 01:20 PM
Speaking of the horses
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXp3oTllGBg
Posted by: Zakkee | October 24, 2012 at 01:32 PM
I rewatched the game, pausing and slo mo and I can tell you that DEON BUSH can flat out ball, this kid is legit. Give him 15 more lbs and a full off season he will be an NFL prospect next season. Please let one more kid play S next to him and our D will really start to change. BTW I believe we only have room for 1 or 2 EE's this year and that is fine because we have a small senior class and our #'s are fine. I look for the Juco DT to be our EE.
Posted by: Hassan | October 24, 2012 at 01:32 PM
Mute that video for the full effect^^
Posted by: Zakkee | October 24, 2012 at 01:34 PM
Hey Hassan,
Who do you think the EE's are? I know Olsen said he wasn't going to be one.
Posted by: LB | October 24, 2012 at 01:41 PM
That's not the DT, that is.
Posted by: LB | October 24, 2012 at 01:41 PM
I think we only have a spot for 1 or 2 EE's
No current commitment has said he will be an EE. The 5 star Juco DT did say he would enroll in January where ever he goes. I am pretty sure he is going to the U simply because he could ball out in 1 or even 2 years go to the NFL, the playing time is here.
Posted by: Hassan | October 24, 2012 at 01:48 PM
Thanks Zakkee.
Posted by: CGNC | October 24, 2012 at 02:00 PM
Tyler Horn makes Titans Practice Squad!! Go Canes
Posted by: Hassan | October 24, 2012 at 02:35 PM
Willie will, I would say that there are but a handful of coaches who can take a collection of 3 and 2 star players and mold them into a top contender. Harbaugh. Snyder. Saban. Perhaps Beamer. Butch Davis was probably not at that level, but was a superb recruiter. Mack brown and urban Meyer....superb recruiters and good coaches. What we cannot have is a great recruiter and subpar coach, that is the recipe for mediocrity.
Posted by: Tonycane | October 24, 2012 at 02:43 PM
Hacker?
Posted by: THE MAN | October 24, 2012 at 03:15 PM
We have 11 guys currently committed but counting out silents we are nearly wrapped up with recruiting. We only have a couple of open schollies out there and we might have about 2 more then most people think we do:)
Posted by: Hassan | October 24, 2012 at 01:15 PM
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS NUMBER IF THE NCAA MAKES THEIR DECISION BEFORE NSD
Posted by: canezilla | October 24, 2012 at 03:27 PM
Hassan- understand. But I'll still argue the kid has talent, and had value to this roster. He wasn't going to beat out Lamar Miller, doesn't have the ability of Duke Johnson, but couldn't he have at least been a Kick returner/3d down back last year? Yes, IMO.
Posted by: j.w. | October 24, 2012 at 03:32 PM
Posted by: canezilla | October 24, 2012 at 03:27 PM
It makes no sense to punish the players/coaches currently enrolled that had absolutely nothing to do with anything. And that goes for all schools going through a similar situation. The NCAA should be going after the individuals who were involved (coaches, administration) and ban them from ever stepping foot on a college campus ever again. They should also work with the gov't to make it a felony to contribute funds to a scholar athlete or something to that affect. What 18-22 year old kid wouldn't take money offered to them? It needs to be stopped at the source. Punishing the schools years later will do nothing to stop this from continuing in the future.
Posted by: THE MAN | October 24, 2012 at 03:34 PM
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/20642139/miamis-climb-back-to-top-wont-be-easy-but-theres-reason-for-hope
Posted by: Hassan | October 24, 2012 at 03:45 PM
Hacker?
Posted by: THE MAN | October 24, 2012 at 03:15 PM
------------------------------------------
No, just a bored scrub who's too scared to use his/HER real name.
It's now become boring.
Posted by: Ohio_Cane | October 24, 2012 at 03:50 PM
Somebody needs to set those trolls ablaze.
Posted by: LB | October 24, 2012 at 03:51 PM
It's funny, they use this email: Hwdz@wex.com
And list this URL: http://www.muschumpbannedfromrecruitshouseagain.com
Hilarious
Posted by: Ohio_Cane | October 24, 2012 at 03:53 PM
I'm a big sissy girl who won't post their real name cuz I'm scared of what people might say about me. I should probably get a life. Seriously.
Posted by: I thought I was real slick, until I got blocked | October 24, 2012 at 02:48 PM
----------------------------------------
Fixed that for U, scrub.
Posted by: Ohio_Cane | October 24, 2012 at 03:54 PM