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November 21, 2012

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j.w.

1

Sinistercane

2nd

hassan

***Rumor***

in indy (home of nc2a) a lawsuit will be filed againt the ncaa for extortion

j.w.

by whom, Hassan? And I would do it in Fl if it were a UM former player, the tort/crime occurred in Florida and would be home to much more sympathetic jurors.

Raizecane

Amen.....

CaneRock

***Rumor***

in indy (home of nc2a) a lawsuit will be filed againt the ncaa for extortion

Posted by: hassan | November 21, 2012 at 09:10 PM

Hopefully that rumor is true.
Somebody needs to take these ding-a-lings to task.

Tonycane

I'm not sure which organization has more transparency....1980s politburo or the NCAA. Somehow I picture the NCAA HQ as looking like something that Albert Speer would have dreamed up in his most fervid architectural days.

wartown canes

Check out CBS sports .com. Article about NCAA being sued by coach in the USC investigation. They were deemed "malicious" by a judge and they lost. I can see a lot more colleges and individual's taking this route in fighting back.

Blockie

Hassan - where do you come up with these crazy rumors. There's no lawsuit being filed. You have zero credibility.

CaneRock

Posted by: wartown canes | November 21, 2012 at 09:58 PM

LOS ANGELES (AP) - The NCAA was "malicious" in its investigation of a former Southern California assistant football coach who was linked in a report to a scandal surrounding Heisman Trophy-winning tailback Reggie Bush, a judge said Wednesday.

The NCAA's report on ethical breaches by Todd McNair was flawed, and the former coach has shown a probability he can win his defamation claims, Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Frederick Shaller said.

The NCAA had sought to have the case dismissed, but Shaller disagreed. He said after reviewing sealed documents in the McNair inquiry, which was tied to a gift scandal involving Heisman Trophy-winner Reggie Bush, he was convinced that the actions of NCAA investigators were "over the top."

His ruling states emails between an investigative committee member, an NCAA worker and a person who works in the agency's appeals division "tend to show ill will or hatred" toward McNair.

Laura Wytsma, an attorney for the NCAA, declined comment but said during the hearing that the ruling would be appealed. A message to the agency was not immediately returned.

McNair sued the NCAA in June 2011, claiming the association's investigation was one-sided and his future earnings were hurt by its report on the scandal, which led to sanctions against USC. The NCAA determined McNair lied about knowing about some of the gifts lavished on Bush's family by two aspiring sports marketers who hoped to land the future NFL player as a client.

The NCAA imposed a two-year bowl ban and scholarship restrictions on USC last year as a result of the Bush case. McNair was prohibited from contacting recruits and his USC contract was not renewed.

Shaller said he would unseal the entire inquiry into McNair, but would hold off on release of the records for a month to allow an appeal. "I think the public has a right to know," he said.

McNair's attorney Bruce Broillet declined comment, citing the sealing order in the case. He said during the hearing that the records showed the agency knew it was relying on false statements about McNair's conduct and wanted to "nail" the coach, who also played in the NFL.

"They wrote evidence the way they wanted it to be - that's malice," Broillet said.

Wytsma rejected that contention in court, saying the evidence in the case show the committee that investigated McNair was trying to get its report right.

"They were struggling to get the right result," she said, adding that several members of the investigative committee were prominent lawyers and legal scholars.

She also argued that records in the case should not be unsealed, saying it would hurt future investigations. The NCAA does not have subpoena power, she said.

j.w.

I wonder if hthe unnamed investigator was Dee? Hope not.

Hassan

Hassan - where do you come up with these crazy rumors. There's no lawsuit being filed. You have zero credibility.

Posted by: Blockie | November 21, 2012 at 10:30 PM

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who are you? I have a lot of cred, anyone in the Hurricane Community could tell you that. A compliant has also been filed with Pam Bondi's office, State attorney general, this is not being done directly by the school.

Ohio_Cane

Can someone fill me in on what the NCAA did wrong? Been to 3 funerals for local children this week. All non-related. Crazy crazy week in a town of 4,000. 6 year old, 8 year old and 22 year old

86Cane

BTW...did ANYONE read the article and comment? NO? Yeah I didn't think so.

Hassan

lol yeah soup in college though every game is a bowl game for everyone. u lose a game u could be out of the title hunt

WWIM

Ohio,

Sorry about your losses.

Letters from NCAA were sent to former players trying to extort testimonies, long story short, they're trying to bend us over backwards wit no ky but we might be the ones bending them over wit lawsuits

HawaiiCane

If only you could 'like' a post kind of like Facebook. I would definately like Willie's last one!

HawaiiCane

Sorry for your losses too, Ohio. My grandfather past away this weekend and I was out of the loop until today.

CaneRock

Happy Turkey Day CaneSpace!
Hope ya'll have a great time with family and friends.
One.

CGNC

Its the same old same old. Small private school that was kickin the institutional behind...going into Texas and dropping 50 on them along with the celebration.... you know they are trying to keep us down... the only way they can do it is off the field BS...

Posted by: mi@mic@ne | November 21, 2012 at 05:28 PM

No offense, you are living in the past. We are being investigated by the NCAA because crap happened.

CGNC

Yes, this last game against Duke they should definitely treat as their Bowl Game. Should be in the 50's - good football weather

Hassan

A typical N.F.L. receiver in training might run 1,500 yards of sprints a day; Texas Tech receivers run 2,500 yards. To prepare his receivers' ankles and knees for the unusual punishment of his nonstop-running offense, Leach has installed a 40-yard-long sand pit on his practice field; slogging through the sand, he says, strengthens the receivers' joints. And when they finish sprinting, they move to Leach's tennis-ball bazookas. A year of catching tiny fuzzy balls fired at their chests at 60 m.p.h. has turned many young men who got to Texas Tech with hands of stone into glue-fingered receivers.

Hassan

Happy Turkey day to all.

You might want to attempt to grasp this educated person's comments on the powers of the NCAA

The NCAA is a voluntary membership. Any member is welcome to leave at any time if they choose to do so. At that time, they would be relegated to NAIA status. This situation is no different than a civil court matter. If the respondent fails to appear, the court will rule in favor of the plaintiff, in this case, the NCAA. The NCAA is giving these former players the opportunity to refute allegations compiled against them in evidentiary findings, testimony from federal proceedings and interviews with former administrators, coaches and players who were granted immunity and willfully explained transgressions which transpired in Coral Gables over the past 14+ years. There are some who feel the NCAA will make an example in this case. “Lack of Institutional Control” is Miami’s biggest concern if testimony gathered from disgruntled former employees now employed by NCAA member institutions and former coaches who were granted immunity is proven. Crippling sanctions are in play here up to and including the death penality. In any case, this situation could not occur at a worse time for UM. Conference realingment is about set a furious pace and the ACC could lose as many as 12 of its 14 members leaving Miami and Wake Forest in a bind with no options other than CUSA and Miami doing so with an extremely devalued brand.

canesteeler

I want to see the U going out and playing their asses off on Saturday. Send the seniors off with a victory! This game will serve as a statement game for me in regards to AG's ability to get through to the players. Our past 8 years say we don't show up and players just go throught the motions. Show pride and go out and stick your middle fingers up at the NCAA!

Terrance Sullivan

Happy Thanksgiving Canespacers.

j.w.

Ohio, hoping you find some peace, good friend.
Happy Thanksgiving to all! THankful today for alll friends and family, we may not agree on everything all the time but I'm better because of the different viewpoints. Not let's enjoy the feasts, football, and some rest.

Hassan

Posted by: You might want to attempt to grasp this educated person's comments on the powers of the NCAA | November 22, 2012 at 10:27 AM
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You are not educated, say your real name do not hide. Miami is a national brand, they get some of the highest TV ratings of any school. National brands are commodities they do not get relegated to C-USA, you lost all credibility with that statement. Do not try to state you are educated when you clearly are an idiot.


As for your "lack of institutional control"
Miami's AD at the time was well regarded and as all here knows was a member of the COI. The compliance team was said to be a model for other schools. The man who is the catalyst of the issues is a huge fraud and fooled many many people for millions. He has admitted to having a personal vendetta against the school. The head coach tried to keep the man away from the team, the compliance director nearly got into a fight there was a back ground check done by the school. Despite all they saw in his character (sneaky, wimpy rat with Napoleon Complex) he checked out clean, the guy was freaking friends with the Miami beach police chief.... These infractions are not academic, We did not sell something, they took free diners and some lap dances and free bowling at most, this literally happens at every campus with 90% of every player. The only reason why this case sounded so bad is because of the sheer number of players it involved, The amount of free dinners and lapdances at other schools is just as much if not more. We have local reporters who have 100% of money for recruits, Patrick peterson example. There are numerous others who get paid big time, Our own snake admitted Miami does not pay players (which other schools do routinely) and that we can not compete with the SEC because how much they pay players. This exact same investigation would turn up an equal amount of free dinners and lap dances at nearly any school in the country but it would also include houses and jobs for mom's and h.s coaches, it would include trucks for best friends, bling watches and new clothes, cash payments and much more. The Sky is not falling, UM has talented kids on their roster learning to play the right way. They have about 10 months to work their asses off and show the world when we beat UF that UM is back. We will lose schollies but it will not be as bad as you think.

orange 'n green in the vein

Hassan, that entire post is on point but I love how you saved the summation's refutation for 'grasp this educated person's' troll attempt right there at the next to last sentence.

Happy Thanksgiving to everybody.

Terrance Sullivan

Ohio sorry 4 your loss. great posts by Hassan, OGV, and Willie Will.

orange 'n green in the vein

Oh and I agree with your blog here CEO, this team, coaching staff especially, wasn't good enough to deserve victory and where reduced to hoping to play in a game they would have finished in a three way tie and needed NCAA intervention to qualify for in the first place with blowout losses to rivals and upsets to really poor teams. Just not a good edition of UM football this year by any measurement but the offense has been light years better than anyone thought they would be going into the year while the defense has no excuse to be schemed so poorly and play called so ineptly week after week.

86Cane

Hassan...well done son!

86Cane

1. Just not a good edition of UM football this year by any measurement.

2. The offense has been light years better than anyone thought they would be going into the year.

3. The defense has no excuse to be schemed so poorly and play called so ineptly week after week.

Posted by: orange 'n green in the vein | November 22, 2012 at 11:11 AM

1. Totally agree.

2. Totally DISAGREE. The offense was inconsistent at best especially against better competition. Fisch is still working on his play calling and has NOT mastered the art just yet as numerous examples show. Morris still has MUCH work to do to grow into a finished product which he is not. If not for Duke Johnson carrying this offense they would be below average.

3. AGREE and DISAGREE. Scheme is still an issue but performance definitely improved as the season went on. Injuries and lack of depth and talent on the D-Line hurt this team this season. Without a doubt this defense is not good or aggressive enough to win games when the offense stumbles. But that will change next year and DENO will be named the ACC defensive coach of the year.

That's right, I said it AGAIN!

86Cane

Ohio and Hawaii...sorry for your losses.

Lesson learned: Be thankful for EVERY day. U never know which one will be your last.

Live every moment,
Love every day,
Before U know it,
Your precious time slips away...

Tonycane

"Educated Person" the only scenario that you left out is having NCAA Black Ops descend upon the campus to personally deliver the "death penalty". Ludicrous. Utterly ludicrous.

Tonycane

One more thing, educated. Don't discount the political strings that can and will be pulled to avoid your scenario if it has to come to that.

Tonycane

Sorry for commenting at all on the NCAA, but that trolls comments just ticked me off.

Everyone, have a wonderful thanksgiving with your families.

Terrance Sullivan

Hawaii sorry for your loss.

TonyCane

Ohio, I'm sorry for your loss as well.

86Cane

OGV...I will tell U this. As U know I am a Golden fan and supporter. However there is one issue that I have with him that I will address in a future blog article.

I think he tries to detach from emotion too much and remove it from the equation. Not that he isn't passionate about football but he appears to have some of the sort of detached, Northern, cold, "just execute" mentality (Penn State?).

He keeps stating that he wants his players to be "the same guy everyday" as though that is the highest level of human development or achievement. I undersand that he wants his players to moderate or regulate their emotional states and try to be more stable and consistent; that I get.

But that completely ignores and denies the reality of human nature. Nobody is the "same person everyday". We all have ups and downs and good days and bad days. To deny that is to fail to take advantage of the low periods (opportunities for learning growth and developemnt) and to fail to celebrate the high periods (recognize, utilize and celebrate achievements).

Does he really expect himself or any player to feel the same way after losing to a 2-6 UVA as he does winning a National Championship over an undefeated Notre Dame?

86Cane

Below is Miami’s updated injury report for Saturday’s game at Duke:

OUT

Robert Lockhart
Lower Extremity

Malcolm Lewis
Lower Extremity

Davon Johnson
Lower Extremity

Ramon Buchanan
Lower Extremity

Sean McNally
Lower Extremity

Ben Jones
Lower Extremity

Eduardo Clements
Upper Extremity

CaneRock

I think he tries to detach from emotion too much and remove it from the equation. Not that he isn't passionate about football but he appears to have some of the sort of detached, Northern, cold, "just execute" mentality (Penn State?).

Posted by: 86Cane | November 22, 2012 at 12:13 PM

SOUP, you can say the same thing about Randy, although some called Him a corpse.

86Cane

Rock...that is true about Shannon too but IMHO they have very different personalities and different motivations for their behaviors.

CaneRock

These infractions are not academic, We did not sell something, they took free diners and some lap dances and free bowling at most, this literally happens at every campus with 90% of every player.

Posted by: Hassan | November 22, 2012 at 10:50 AM

Good point, although most, if not ALL of our infractions happened OFF campus. Which was my answer to the question I posed in the last blog, as it relates to Baylor's list of violations:

Looking at Baylor's list of violations, what can ya'll tell me is the major difference between their list of violations, and ours...

Bliss paying for tuition for two players, Dennehy and Herring, and attempting to conceal it.
Coaching staff providing meals, transportation, lodging and clothing to athletes.
Coaching staff paying for tuition and fees for a recruit at another school.
Bliss's encouragement of school boosters to donate to a foundation tied to a basketball team that included prospective Baylor recruits.
Failure to report positive drug test results by athletes.
Failure by the entire coaching staff to "exercise institutional control over the basketball program."

PS: Before PSU, Baylor's punishment was the worse non-death penalty punishment since SMU. And again, it can be assumed that ALL of Baylor's violations occured IN the institution. While most of, if not, all of ours, took place OFF campus. BIIIIG BIIIIG difference.


hassan

Ohio n hawaii sorry for your losses.


Welcome to the NFL Harland Gunn. Signed off the atl practice squad

orange 'n green in the vein

I can see that point, but what you're describing 86 sounds more like an Al Groh learned trait. Groh is often described as, 'cerebral,' by his defenders and that was a major complaint by the GT fans leading up to his dismissal, that he can't connect with young athletes with that style because it goes against what they naturally are inclined to tap into to perform at their highest level. Besides, are you sure you want to continue to promote that point of view about Al in the coach's film room on a Sunday after a loss?

I also grant you that yes, the offense was bogged down in their games against the best 1/3 of the schedule, but I'd tell you that's somewhat to be expected and that even with that fact, looking at the production Jedd had to replace this year between graduation and early entries, he's done a remarkable job not only replacing that production but even surpassing it as well (looking at you Steven Morris and your 3000 yard season replacing the guy in the record books between a Heisman winner and the best QB or all time at UM). That in itself is why I'd say he's done a better job than a lot of people thought he would coming into the year, better defensive opposition hick-ups or not.

Defenders of the DC though are basically reduced to arguing that there's not enough veteran talent to fairly judge, which to me is saying that Ray Armstrong being dismissed is a huge loss (which I concur with but a lot of people, some even arguing this veteran talent deficiency line ironically, thought he was an overrated bust) and Ray Buchannon blowing out his knee again would have made all the difference in the world, which is laughable to me, except for one CB spot, there was plenty of returning talent and I think it was talent you can fashion at least a serviceable defense out of rather than a historically bad one like the mutant from Philly has done. Yes, the DL overall talent was not at historical UM levels but when you've recruited about half the team, that's on the staff that isn't getting the LOI's signed or coaching up a decent technique/scheme to compensate for those failings. At least next year the only person D'No or his defenders can blame for not being in Broyles contention is going to be himself, assuming he's not out on the street where he belongs looking for a new job.

j.w.

Hawaii- very sorr y to hear of your loss as well, I missed it earlier.
Wishing and hoping that everything we think minimizes the punishment really does . . .

Triangle cane

Happy Thanksgiving Spacers! Who else will be at the game tomorrow? My son an I will be there.

raizecane

Happy Thanksgiving to all of you, your famalies, and your friends.....

I mysef am ready for a nap......

canesteeler

Hawaii and Ohio I am sorry for your losses. Hassan keep bringing it strong.

Sinistercane

From another site
Posted: Today 12:39 PM
One Lawyer's Reply To NCAA
Although I do NOT represent any former UM players, I am an attorney and, if I did represent one of them, I would write back somewhat as follows:
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Dear Ms. Richman;
Please be advised that I represent xxx, a former scholar-athlete football player at the University of Miami. In this regard, you have sent me a letter requesting that my client submit to an ‘interview’ with your investigator, and, absent his agreement to do so, your staff "would assume that his refusal to do so would constitute an admission of certain facts ...(as an) admission of involvement in NCAA violations."
Miss Richman, I am not only offended, but shocked that an attorney would make such a statement. I can only assume that the University of Indiana Law School offers a course in ‘Spanish Inquisition Practice & Tactics’.
Please be advised that my client, Mr. xxxx, has no intention of wasting his valuable time meeting with your enforcement investigators. He has repeatedly stated that, to his knowledge, those statements attributed to your informant, Nevin Shapiro, are not only scandalous, but fallacious and libelous as well as. It is quite one thing for Mr. Shapiro, a convicted felon, to dupe investors prior to his conviction — it is quite another that your agency even now apparently embraces his unsubstantiated assertions.
Be further advised that, by this letter, not only will Mr. xxxx, not appear before your investigative staff by November 23, 2012, but he adamantly denies the truthfulness of such assertions made about his alleged involvement.
Mr. xxxx, both as an athlete and in his personal life has always prided himself as playing by the rules. That is also his public persona and reputation. While your staff may assume his lack of ‘cooperation’, (as you characterize it), to be a tacit admission of his involvement in some nefarious scheme to break NCAA rules, in the event that you publish such a belief as fact in any report or letter of allegations to a third party, we will take all necessary action to protect his good name and reputation.
Again, I want to emphases that Mr. xxxx specifically denies those allegations attributed to him and his refusal to cooperate should not, by any manner or means, be construed as an admission, tacit or otherwise, of their veracity, but merely his desire to not dignify them by even discussing them with your staff.
Lastly, I wish to point out that neither I, nor Mr. xxxx, have discussed this matter with the University of Miami, and they have had absolutely no influence over his decision. If I may add officiously, that it would be greatly unfair for the NCAA to consider Mr. xxx’s silence (or that of any other former scholar-athlete) to be substantive evidence against that institution which has no control over our ‘cooperation’ or ‘non-cooperation. It seems to me that you have also lost sight of the fundamental concept in our system of jurisprudence known as due process! Even in your Star Chamber quasi-judicial inquiry, I would hope you recognized that.
As a final thought, it is my personal belief that your letter verges very close to amounting to the crime of blackmail. I am considering discussing this with our State Attorney, as well as your state Bar Association!
I trust that I have made myself manifestly clear.
Very truly yours,
XXXXXXX

GOVERN YOURSELF ACCORDINGLY
cc: Mark Emmert

nemo2002

In a typical administrative proceeding Shapiro's testimony would constitute sufficient competent evidence to sustain a final order. No further collaboration would be necessary (although in this case NCAA investigators appear to also have some sworn statements from former players and staff to substantiate at least some of the Rat's allegations). If Shapiro admits that he engaged in certain conduct with former UM players (that constitutes violations of NCAA rules), and if these allegations are not refuted by the named (former) players - who chose to remain silent - then a hearing officer could lawfully conclude that Shapiro's uncontested allegations are true. THIS IS NOT GOOD FOR THE U, despite what some pundits and purported experts are saying in the media and on this blog.

I'm not saying that this is a "typical administrative proceeding". Indeed it is quite atypical, because NCAA investigators - and ultimately the NCAA infractions committee - probably have even WIDER latitude with regard to evidentiary matters, including standards and burdens of proof.

If some former players (and coaches? and staff?) have been willing to give sworn statements - or have reluctantly given such statements in return for immunity from the NCAA - which statements confirm a pattern of misbehavior, and a lack of institutional control, THEN WE'RE SCREWED, regardless of the NCAA's lack of collaboration of ALL of the RAT's multitudinous allegations of misconduct by the U.

Yeah, Nevin Shapiro is a proven liar and a convicted fraudster; and he's serving time in prison for his own misdeeds. As such, the credibilty of his testimony in another matter (unrelated to his Ponzi scheme) could easily be challenged, especially if the testimony was proffered in return for some material benefit from the government - such as a reduction in sentence. But that is certainly not the situation here.

Remember, the NCAA is not a government body - and UM as a member institution agrees to be bound by all NCAA rules and procedures, including those pertaining to investigations, hearings and penalties for NCAA infractions.

I concur that the NCAA's tactics are despicable; and the longer this matter drags on, the more it resembles an inquisition rather than an unbiased investigation.

However, it remains to be seen if the unwillingness of some former players to give statements to NCAA investigators is really helpful to UM's cause. Then again, better that they remain silent, I guess, if they know that their statements would undermine UM's defense.

Of course, if the affected players really do DENY Shapiro's scurrilous allegations, I wish the hell that they would meet with NCAA investigators and provide sworn statements, as this would definitely HELP our case.

Hassan

Just witnessed someone shoot themself on thanksgiving. i am speechless

myndraize

Happy Thanksgiving to all

CaneRock

Posted by: nemo2002 | November 22, 2012 at 05:29 PM

As it pertains to "penalties for NCAA infractions", the NCAA is talkin' out of both sides of their asses. They know football is a dangerous game, but those "suits" in Indiana don't know $hit about football.

For example, they spend 3% of expenses on catastrophic insurance right...but yet, they levy penalties that not only put a school at a competitive DISadvantage, but from a SAFETY standpoint, they put you at risk of loss of limb and/or LIFE!

They carry on with this bull$hit crusade about amateurism, like this is PHUCKIN! Pop Warner or somethin', like these coaches are recruiting Tinkerbells and Humpty Dumpties to hit each other out there...GTFOH with that amateurism BULL$HIT!

Football at that level is a PHUCKIN! job, and they know damn well it's a job. Why spend 3% of your expenses on catastrophic insurance, and then try to mislead the public like they're pillow fightin' out there. The NCAA's a PHUCKIN'! joke.

raizecane

Just witnessed someone shoot themself on thanksgiving. i am speechless

Posted by: Hassan | November 22, 2012 at 05:40 PM

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Have seen that myself. Wait a day or two when it kicks in. Then you will really be speechless.

Hassan

Just witnessed someone shoot themself on thanksgiving. i am speechless

Posted by: Hassan | November 22, 2012 at 05:40 PM

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Have seen that myself. Wait a day or two when it kicks in. Then you will really be speechless.

Posted by: raizecane | November 22, 2012 at 06:00 PM
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I been to 3 wars I seen so much but this ish is crazy. you know that vet's commit suicide so much that more die from suicide then from thee battlefield now.

CaneRock

You know that vet's commit suicide so much that more die from suicide then from thee battlefield now.

Posted by: Hassan | November 22, 2012 at 06:13 PM

Maybe that's because in previous wars (namely WWs 1 and 2,Nam), we invaded countries with militaries that numbered in the millions, that were willing to fight...no?

Hassan

Maybe that's because in previous wars (namely WWs 1 and 2,Nam), we invaded countries with militaries that numbered in the millions, that were willing to fight...no?
Posted by: CaneRock | November 22, 2012 at 06:21 PM-------------------------------------

no it is because of combat fatigue is higher, guys are doing longer tours of duty and multiple upon multiple tours. Those previous wars it was rare to do 2 tours of duty.

Tonycane

PM, read the book Armageddon, which is about the invasion of Germany from the fall of 1944 onward. The author mentions the burnout of British soldiers who had been fighting from the time of the North African campaign in 1942. By comparison some of our guys have been fighting for nine years, against an enemy that does not wear a uniform and who could be anyone.

Tonycane

Meant cane rock, not pm.

86Cane

Sinister...that "letter" was NOT written by an attorney. And if it was she/he is not a very good one.

UpNorthCane

Happy thanksgiving canespacers!!!!! Nothing but love for all of you's!!!

86Cane

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