Miami vs Duke: Game Notes

MIAMI (7-5, 5-3 ACC) 52, DUKE (6-6, 4-4 ACC) 45

WALLACE WADE STADIUM • DURHAM, N.C.

Nov. 24, 2012 • ATTENDANCE: 26,895

TEAM NOTES

• Today’s offensive starters: WR Herb Waters, LT Malcolm Bunche, LG Jon Feliciano, C Shane McDermott, RG Brandon Linder, RT Seantrel Henderson, TE Clive Walford, QB Stephen Morris, FB Mike James, RB Duke Johnson, WR Phillip Dorsett.

• Today’s defensive starters: DE Anthony Chickillo, DT Curtis Porter, DT Olsen Pierre, DE Shayon Green, OLB Thurston Armbrister, MLB James Gaines, OLB Gionni Paul, CB Tracy Howard, S Rayshawn Jenkins, S Kacy Rodgers II, CB Brandon McGee.

• With DB Tracy Howard starting today, Miami started 10 different freshmen this season (DB Deon Bush, DB Tracy Howard, RB Duke Johnson, WR Malcolm Lewis, DB Rayshawn Jenkins, LB Eddie Johnson, DL Corey King, DL Earl Moore, OL Ereck Flowers, WR Herb Waters). Johnson and King are redshirt freshmen.

• The Canes had a different starting lineup on defense all 12 games this season.

• With the win, the Hurricanes take a share of the ACC Coastal Division for the first time since joining the league in 2004. The Canes were picked fifth in the preseason poll.

• Miami won its final game of the season for the first time since defeating Nevada at the MPC Computers Bowl on Dec. 31, 2006.

• The Hurricanes improve to 9-1 all-time against Duke and are undefeated against the Blue Devils since joining the ACC in 2004. UM has won all five meetings in Durham.

• UM had five touchdown drives that lasted under two minutes.

• Miami scored at least 40 points for the third consecutive game and for the sixth time this season.

• Miami’s 52 points were the most scored since a 52-17 win over Virginia on Nov. 7, 2009.

• The Hurricanes 646 yards of total offense was the third-most in program history and the most since totaling 689 yards against UCLA on Dec. 5, 1998.

• Duke’s 45 points tie record for most points by an opponent in a loss matching Virginia Tech (2002)

INDIVIDUAL NOTES

• RB Mike James and DB Vaughn Telemaque each saw action for the Hurricanes for the 50th time in their careers today, tying for the fourth-most games played in program history. James played in all 50 games in his career, tying for the second-most consecutive at Miami.

• TE Clive Walford racked up 99 receiving yards in the game, including a touchdown. Adding in the 35-yard reception in the first quarter and 36-yard catch in the second, Walford now has nine catches for at least 25 yards this season. Walford had 135 yards receiving last week against USF - the last Hurricane tight end to have back-to-back games with at least 100 yards receiving was Kellen Winslow II in 2003 (104 vs. West Virginia & at Florida State).

• RB Duke Johnson recorded 176 rushing yards in the game to bring his season total to 947, setting a program freshman rushing record. Clinton Portis (1999) previously held the mark. Johnson found the end zone three times in the game to bring his total to 13 overall scores for the season. It was the fourth game with at least 100 rushing yards this season for him and second one with three touchdowns.

• Johnson’s 13 TDs on the season are tied for the fifth-most in program history.

• Johnson finished with 2,060 all-purpose yards on the year, the second most in school history (Willis McGahee (2,108 - 2002).

• QB Stephen Morris has thrown at least one touchdown pass in nine games this season - he ends his season with 21 overall.

• RB Mike James plunged into the end zone at the end of the first half for his 21st career touchdown. In the second half, he took a screen pass 72 yards for his longest career play from scrimmage. His previous best was a 36-yard catch at home last season against Duke.

• K Jake Wieclaw connected for his 11th straight successful field goal attempt in the third quarter. The UM record is held by Dane Prewitt, who made 13 in a row in 1994.

• Wieclaw finished his career with 30 field goals, while hitting all 80 PAT attempts - fourth-most in school history.

• Morris finished the season with 3,415 yards of total offense, the most in the history of the program, edging out Bernie Kosar’s 1984 total of 3.412.

• Morris’ season-total of 3,345 passing yards ranks fifth in program history, while his 421 attempts and 245 completions rank first and second respectively. His 21 TD passes on the season are tied for 10th all-time with Vinny Testaverde’s 1985 total.

Comments

[86Cane]

Ohio...Here U go, 5 questions with PapaCane before the season began:

http://canespace.typepad.com/canespace/2012/08/five-questions-with-canespace-saveumfootball.html

He did predict 7-5 as did Manny.

[Terrance Sullivan]

Great stuff 86. Thanks for everything. I wonder what was Phillip Dorsett stats for the game and season. I think he is the most underrated player on our team. Go Canes. I wonder when our Spring Game will be.

[86Cane]

Dorsett, P: 58 catches for 842 yards for a 14.5 avg and 4 TDs.

He averaged 70 yards/game receiving and also had 11 kick returns for 251 yards for a 22.8 yd avg and 15 punt returns for 85 yards for a 5.7 avg.

[Terrance Sullivan]

Thanks 86.

[Jack]

Thank you Canespace for good conversation, information and debate during the season! Best site for Miami fans!!!!

Let's go Canes 2013!!!

[nemo2002]

Lots of great stats. We really ended the season on a high note. The O-team played a great game, especially Morris, James, Sir Duke, Waters, and the O-line as a unit too.

Unfortunately, there is one discordant stat that can't be ignored. Measured by yards allowed, our defense played the 5th worse game in UM history. (Also, Duke scored 45 against us yesterday - the best scoring total this year against another FBS team, except for lowly FIU against whom Duke scored 46).

Interestingly, if my stats are correct, the D-team performance (yards allowed) against Duke was only UM's 3rd worst showing this year.

In other words, this year D'No had THREE of the FIVE worst games in UM history. THREE of the worst FIVE . . . all in the same year. So, was the 2012 season the worst defensive showing ever at UM?

Probably yes!

Hey Al, get the message?

[Willie Will in Nashville]

Posted by: Terrance Sullivan | November 25, 2012 at 12:33 PM

You are right about Dorsett. He doesn't get enough credit for his blocking, he opened a lot of running lanes this season. Also he's a hard runner, he put some people on their backs that tried to tackle him. If not for some drops he coulda been our best offensive threat. Next year he'll be a beast!!

[Terrance Sullivan]

Exactly Willie Will.

[86Cane]

Thank you Canespace for good conversation, information and debate during the season! Best site for Miami fans!!!!

Posted by: Jack | November 25, 2012 at 01:11 PM

There IT is right there.

[86Cane]

Tom O'Brien OUT at NCST:

http://blogs.newsobserver.com/accnow/obrien-out-at-nc-state

[pbcfrcane13]

Tom O'Brien out at NC STATE

[pbcfrcane13]

per cbs sports

[pbcfrcane13]

Wonder when all the Golden rumors start.....

[nemo2002]

If UNC was not on NCAA probation this year, would UNC be the ACC Coastal Division champ (rather than UM); and as such would UNC be playing in the ACCCG (instead of GT)?

I just don't understand the ACC tie breaker rules for division champions. Can someone explain them to me, please? Thank you!

PS. Next year, hopefully, tie breaker rules will be irrelevant. If we get some much needed improvement on defense, the U should steamroll its way through the Coastal Division en route to our first ACC championship and a much awaited return to the (so-called) "Orange Bowl" (provided that next year we're not on probation like UNC is this year).

[orange 'n green in the vein]

But Debbie Yow still has a job?

Offense played well until they ran into ranked teams who shut the run down and the defense shat the bed like they did all year save for USF's third string offense which to D'No's credit, he forced them to play by knocking out the backup.

Completion percentage allowed was still too high and the rushing yard/game surrendered was atrocious. ND is playing for a national title by running the ball and defending the run.

nemo;

A. Two-Team Tie

Head-to-head competition between the two tied teams.
Records of the tied teams within the division.
Head-to-head competition versus the team within the division with the best overall record (divisional). Conference record and proceeding though the division. Multiple ties within the division broken from first to last.
Overall record versus all common non-divisional opponents.
Combined record versus all non-divisional teams.
Record versus common non-divisional teams based on their order of finish (divisional and non-divisional) and proceeding through other common non-divisional teams based on their order of finish within their division.
The tied team with the highest ranking in the Bowl Championship Series Standings following the end of regular season games shall be the divisional representative in the ACC Championship Game.
The representative shall be chosen by a draw.

B. Three (or More) Team Tie
(Once tie has been reduced to two teams, the two-team tiebreaker format is used)

Combined head-to-head record among the tied teams.
Records of the tied teams within the division.
Head-to-head competition versus the team within the division with the best overall (divisional or conference) record, and proceeding through the division. Multiple ties within the division will be broken first to last.
Overall record for non-divisional teams.
Combined record versus all common non-divisional teams.
Record versus common non-divisional with the best overall Conference (divisional and non-divisional record) and proceeding through the other common non-divisional teams based on their order of finish within the division.
The tied team with the highest ranking in the Bowl Championship Series Standings following the conclusion of regular season games shall be the divisional representative in the ACC Championship Game, unless the second of the tied teams is ranked within five-or-fewer places of the highest ranked tied team. In this case, the head-to-head results of the top two ranked tied teams shall determine the representative in the ACC Championship Game.
The representative shall be chosen by a draw.

http://www.theacc.com/sports/m-footbl/fbtiebreaker.html

Have fun with it.

[pbcfrcane13]

Per Joe Schad Aurburn job will be open by this afternoon

[pbcfrcane13]

Bruce Feldman just said the same thing.....here we go

[86Cane]

pbcfr...REPEAT AFTER ME:

Worry is like a rocking chair,
It keeps U busy, but gets U nowhere.

[orange 'n green in the vein]

nemo, by my best guess, it would be based on BCS standings, unless the two top teams are five or less spots from each other, then it's head to head tie breaker, so guess that UNC and UM with better records than GT would be ranked as the top two BCS ranked schools and if they were within five spots in the BCS of each other UNC would win the head to head tie breaker between the two.

[Terrance Sullivan]

Nemo negative on UNC being Coastal Champs yes they beat us, but Georgia Tech beat them, and we beat Georgia Tech and all three of us finish 5-3 and it was a 3 way tie. Which by us beating Duke just like Ga. tech beat Duke and Duke beat UNC thats one tiebreaker and we beat Ga. Tech so if we wouldn't have self imposed we would have the rematch with FSU in Charlotte this Saturday. With a shot of playing in the Orange Bowl even with a loss we would of played South Carolina in the Chic Fil A Bowl formerly the Peach Bowl on New Years Eve.

[CaneRock]

Per Joe Schad Aurburn job will be open by this afternoon

Posted by: pbcfrcane13 | November 25, 2012 at 01:56 PM

Schad also said that O'Brien is out at NCST.

[pbcfrcane13]

Rumors are James Franklin will be the top choice and probably going to take it...coach from Vandy.

[laquinton]

I know its been posted but Tom Obrien out at nc state.. I had then being good but they flat out sucked this year

Also Gene Chizik is gone at Auburn. Know this wasnt surprising at all. Getting stomped by Bama and losing that many games smh.

Also rumors about Jon Gruden being contacted by Tennessee. He wants 4 million just for his staffing.. lmao sooo glad we got Golden and not him. He should stick to what he is doing.

I bet Mark Stoops gets either Auburn or Kentucky. And Jimbo either gets Auburn or Tennessee. He doesnt wan t to be at fsu.

Go canes. I said 8-4 that Virginia game was a doozy but the offensive scheme needs tweaking and with DJ8 and SM17 along with the starting offensive line and receivers we should be solid. The Defense tho.. come on D'No put or shut up.

[UMike]

Keith Bryant just tweeted how much he loves tally Md their campus andrhat he cant wait to play with "my rb tevin spells next year".. Dont lnow who spells is

[nemo2002]

TSully, based on orange'n green's post of the ACC rule for breaking 3-team ties, it it not so clear the UM would be in the ACCCG rather than UNC.

I note with interest that the official ACC site has UNC on top of the Coastal Division -- with a 5-3 conference W-L record (same as UM) but a 8-4 record overall (compared to 7-5 for UM).

But that does not necessarily mean that UNC would be the Coastal Division champ under ACC rules. (Indeed, for some inexplicable reason, the ACC also lists Clemson on top of the Atlantic Division, even though Clemson and FSU have identical records in conference and overall and FSU beat Clemson during the regular season 49-37).

Also, it is too early to tell which of the two teams (UM or UNC) is now ranked higher in the BCS.

Who knows?

[roachcane77]

Nice article and great job this season 86!

This site continues to be the "class act" of ALL UM fan sites. Kudos to YOU Soup.

Let's Go Canes, and way to go Canespace!

[Terrance Sullivan]

Great point nemo.

[laquinton]

Day what you want. But chizik can coach a d look @ texas 05

[Terrance Sullivan]

Next goal win the ACC, then ultimate prize is to bring home our 6th national title.

[TonyCane]

Just to provide some numbers behind the entire recruiting discussion previously, here are Miami's recruiting classes of the last four years compared to our opponents in 2012:

MIAMI HURRICANES
2009: (1)*****,(9)****,(8)***,(1)**
2010: (0)*****,(6)****,(18)***,(4)**
2011: (0)*****,(2)****,(13)***,(2)**
2012: (2)*****,(8)****,(23)***,(0)**

Total 5-Stars: 3
Total 4-Stars: 25
Total 3-Stars: 62
Total 2-Stars: 7

BOSTON COLLEGE (WIN)
2009: (0)*****,(1)****,(6)***,(10)**
2010: (0)*****,(2)****,(14)***,(5)**
2011: (0)*****,(4)****,(9)***,(10)**
2012: (0)*****,(2)****,(8)***,(6)**

Total 5-Stars: 0
Total 4-Stars: 9
Total 3-Stars: 37
Total 2-Stars: 31

KANSAS STATE (LOSS)
2009: (0)*****,(0)****,(12)***,(13)**
2010: (0)*****,(2)****,(12)***,(3)**
2011: (0)*****,(0)****,(20)***,(8)**
2012: (0)*****,(1)****,(14)***,(6)**

Total 5-Stars: 0
Total 4-Stars: 3
Total 3-Stars: 58
Total 2-Stars: 30

GEORGIA TECH (WIN)
2009: (0)*****,(1)****,(17)***,(3)**
2010: (0)*****,(5)****,(11)***,(2)**
2011: (0)*****,(1)****,(18)***,(3)**
2012: (0)*****,(2)****,(13)***,(2)**

Total 5-Stars: 0
Total 4-Stars: 9
Total 3-Stars: 59
Total 2-Stars: 10

NC STATE (WIN)
2009: (0)*****,(1)****,(19)***,(7)**
2010: (1)*****,(4)****,(9)***,(5)**
2011: (0)*****,(1)****,(13)***,(6)**
2012: (0)*****,(0)****,(17)***,(5)**

Total 5-Stars: 0
Total 4-Stars: 6
Total 3-Stars: 58
Total 2-Stars: 23

NOTRE DAME (LOSS)
2009: (1)*****,(9)****,(5)***,(3)**
2010: (0)*****,(10)****,(12)***,(1)**
2011: (2)*****,(8)****,(11)***,(1)**
2012: (1)*****,(8)****,(7)***,(2)**

Total 5 Stars: 4
Total 4 Stars: 35
Total 3 Stars: 35
Total 2 Stars: 7

NORTH CAROLINA (LOSS)
2009: (1)*****,(13)****,(9)***,(5)**
2010: (0)*****,(4)****,(16)***,(1)**
2011: (0)*****,(8)****,(13)***,(3)**
2012: (0)*****,(3)****,(18)***,(2)**

Total 5 Stars: 1
Total 4 Stars: 32
Total 3 Stars: 56
Total 2 Stars: 11

FLORIDA STATE (LOSS)
2009: (2)*****,(10)****,(8)***,(1)**
2010: (2)*****,(8)****,(14)***,(0)**
2011: (2)*****,(13)****,(13)***,(1)**
2012: (3)*****,(9)****,(5)***,(1)**

Total 5 Stars: 9
Total 4 Stars: 40
Total 3 Stars: 40
Total 2 Stars: 3

VIRGINIA TECH (WIN)
2009: (0)*****,(5)****,(14)***,(3)**
2010: (0)*****,(4)****,(14)***,(0)**
2011: (0)*****,(4)****,(14)***,(3)**
2012: (0)*****,(7)****,(19)***,(2)**

5 Stars: 0
4 Stars: 20
3 Stars: 42
2 Stars: 8

VIRGINIA (LOSS)
2009: (0)*****,(5)****,(11)***,(9)**
2010: (0)*****,(1)****,(12)***,(4)**
2011: (0)*****,(5)****,(17)***,(3)**
2012: (0)*****,(4)****,(16)***,(6)**

5 Stars: 0
4 Stars: 15
3 Stars: 56
2 Stars: 22

SOUTH FLORIDA (WIN)
2009: (0)*****,(5)****,(17)***,(6)**
2010: (0)*****,(2)****,(12)***,(5)**
2011: (0)*****,(1)****,(15)***,(4)**
2012: (0)*****,(2)****,(16)***,(2)**

5 Stars: 0
4 Stars: 10
3 Stars: 60
2 Stars: 17

DUKE (WIN)
2009: (0)*****,(2)****,(13)***,(12)**
2010: (0)*****,(0)****,(10)***,(10)**
2011: (0)*****,(0)****,(11)***,(9)**
2012: (0)*****,(1)****,(10)***,(9)**

5 Stars: 0
4 Stars: 3
3 Stars: 44
2 Stars: 40

[Hassan]

The impact of Butch Davis leaving UNC will be felt soon if they do not get a great recruiter in there. I am doubtful they will get lucky enough to keep finding difference makers like Gio Bernard without butch there. Their talent will deplete soon.

[pbcfrcane13]

Love coaching rumors lol James Franklin not being looked at for NC state job.

[Terrance Sullivan]

Great point Hassan

[orange 'n green in the vein]

nemo, actually Terrance pointed out something I think I glossed over and got wrong originally, if you read this tie breaker;

Head-to-head competition versus the team within the division with the best overall (divisional or conference) record, and proceeding through the division. Multiple ties within the division will be broken first to last;

as who played the best against the best teams in the conference proceeding through the final division standings, GT lost to VT, UM beat VT, UNC beat VT who finished fourth in the division. So that would eliminate GT and then UNC wins the head to head tie breaker for a two team tie, so it's still UNC?

Anyway, who cares, it's irrelevant now, moving on to recruiting and laughable Golden to _______ rumors. If he does bolt, first of all, he better take his college roommate with him, can't move on without your binky after all, and then I'm throwing this name out there right now;

Jedd Fisch.

[Willie Will in Nashville]

OGV,

You better be kidding me. Lol

Fisch resume > Golden resume ????

[CaneRock]

The Dolphins beat the Seahawks!

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
In my Sir Mix A Lot voice, with the My Posse On Broadway cadence.

[mi@mic@ne]

Just got home from vacation... Jed Fisch is my most valuable coach this year...what a display of passing and running! Kudos to James for the long run down the side lines...he deserves it.

Which d is worse Dukes our no Ds?

Duke did not only beat Duke but he beat our d as well...having to score after we let them score. lol That was flat out embarrassing.

[CaneRock]

hurricanesports #CanesVB qualifies for the NCAA Tournament for the fourth straight season - travels to Gainesville to play College of Charleston Friday.
10 minutes ago · reply · retweet · favorite

[Hassan]

Why was Tom O Brien fired? 7-5 and a bowl game is pretty good for NC State. Come on it is not like you are going to be a 10 win program there. They beat the #3 team in the country and are going to a bowl. For perspective 7-5 is the same record as preseason #1 USC who has the entire state of california to themselves, the US #2 market all to themselves for football and a huge budget for coaches etc. They got the same record and the same as Miami with all of our issues. In a couple of years when they are 4-8 I suspect NC State will be longing for the days of a O Brien and the bowl game every year and occasional big upset.

[Willie Will in Nashville]

Tony,

I think you are getting to caught up in opinions of recruiting sites. There is no difference in recruiting and pre season team rankings. Usc was ranked #1 in the pre season, how did that work out?? Just because a recruiter goes to a game and labels one player a 5* and another player a 3* doesn't make it TRUE. A lot of high school players are not playing in a system that they can shine in. For example, you could be a good wr playing in a running option system wit few passing plays, so he gets a 3* label.

I repeat, stars are only opinions

STARS = OPINIONS

[Hassan]

Football Speed> track speed.

Two Words Herb Waters, kid is a smooth long strider who builds momentum like a Leonard Hankerson, he reminds me of him a lot actually. huge hands and route running style. Herb says he is a 4.6 guy trying to get down to 4.4 but these two long passes he caught he sure looks like a 4.4 ish guy to me.

[TonyCane]

Perhaps NC State is going to make a play for Bill Belichek!

[TonyCane]

Hi Willie,

I agree to an extent. Although we have to consider that recruiting sites are increasingly more sophisticated (or at least I assume that this is the case) and that the assessments skew closer to reality.

USC is an outlier. They recruit very well but underperform year after year. They also have depth issues due to sanctions. Put Lane Kiffin at Miami and let's see if he equals Al Golden's 7-5 record.

[trianglecane]

I believe that TOB firing had more to do with the AD, than under performing. Word is TOB had a hard time adjusting to the south. He offended a lot of people and was on thin ice. Just one man's opinion.

[Hassan]

USC as a school is not an outlier. They are a storied program with a lot of titles and not underperforming. The Coach on the other hand is a different story. They was #1 ranked heading into the season and have a lot of talent on the roster, they ended up with the same 7-5 record as us even though their schedule was easier. Basically their coach sucks and O'Brien is fired but the Kiffin's remain. The guy has never won anywhere but he keeps a job? I am guessing the collection of porn he has featuring university presidents is extensive.

[Terrance Sullivan]

Hassan you are on fire bro.

[Sarasota 'cane]

The Auburn job comes with a lot of money but not much else in the near future. They are on the 2 year violation clock and will be subject to the new penalty system once their case is adjudicated.
I would have made Chizek stay until the team receives its probation and I would have started to self-impose schollies right away as well.
If Golden says he's not going to take another job I believe him, but if TENN offered him 3.5 million or more I would certainly understand.
We should know this week whether Al is going to stay or go.

Go 'canes!
Go Dolphins!!

[j.w.]

Strong post Hassan. Kiffin is living a charmed life if you examine his resume

[orange 'n green in the vein]

Posted by: trianglecane | November 25, 2012 at 04:53 PM

Do you have any specific examples of O'Brien not 'fitting' in? Not saying you're wrong, just hadn't really heard this angle given any play yet and curious about it. I was chalking this up to the single win on the road in conference play he had racked up in 6 years combined with this year being the one they were going to make a move only to fail to do so. I know the Russell Wilson decision couldn't have done him any favors with the fans either.

[mi@mic@ne]

In my opinion i think Tennessee needs to find them a coach with a southern draw.. Golden is too much of a city boy. A situation like the Turds have now..lol

[The Dude]

Does anyone here know how to remove this livesearchnow virus my computer has?

[mi@mic@ne]

down load malwarebytes and run a scan

[CGNC]

Strong post Hassan. Kiffin is living a charmed life if you examine his resume

Posted by: j.w. | November 25, 2012 at 05:18 PM

LOl doesn't he bring his dad Monty with him everywhere too?

[mi@mic@ne]

The southern thing is what makes us like oil and water with the ACC. There is so many good old boy referees...as youve seen the calls on the field and in the replay booth. It was so obvious yesterday with the replay official...i would love to know that guys name... we did not get one call from that guy... and even the announcers disagreed some of calls from the booth... Its been a crazy experience in the ACC.

[mi@mic@ne]

I was imagining at one point that the guy in the booth was jumping up and down every time the Dooogies scored and a couple of times lost his chew on the floor ... lol

[mi@mic@ne]

Kindof like Buford Bussie in the booth...lol

[roachcane77]

Yeah, those replay calls were totally BOGUS man... isn't there some sort of oversight committee to censure that idiot for missing like 3 calls?

Seriously, ridiculous...

[The Dude]

Posted by: mi@mic@ne | November 25, 2012 at 05:36 PM

K, thanks, I will give it a try.

[laquinton]

Danny Hope out at Purdue. Robery Marve granted another year of eligibility.

[laquinton]

Frank spazziani has been let go at BC

[mi@mic@ne]

you welcome Dude..that anti malware is the best out there

[mi@mic@ne]

Frank spazziani- isnt his specialty Defense? lol

[laquinton]

Id rather be chizik

[mi@mic@ne]

the San fran - New Orleans game ... them guys are serious goin after each other...

[TonyCane]

and a couple of times lost his chew on the floor ... lol

Posted by: mi@mic@ne | November 25, 2012 at 05:48 PM

That's hilarious! For some reason it made me think of the Old Bob robot from The Black Hole.

You have to think that Dr. Rheinhart and Nick Saban are two peas in a pod.

[Panamacitycane]

Isn't chizik a good defensive coach? i hear there is a team in sunny florida in need of a new D coordinator?? huh? huh?huh? awwww c'mon!!!

[TonyCane]

Hi Hassan,

USC is an outlier because they have consistently recruited very well but have consistently underperformed. Lane Kiffin may be proving himself to be the West Coast's version of Ron Zook - an excellent recruiter but poor coach. As much as being a great coach and great recruiter is rare, being a mediocre to bad coach coupled with great recruiting skills is somewhat rare too.

Great coach + great recruiter: Nick Saban

Good coach + great recruiter: Mack Brown, Butch Davis, Urban Meyer

Mediocre to bad coach + great recruiter: Ron Zook, Lane Kiffin

Again, I do wonder how much depth issues the Trojans had this year with NCAA sanctions taking a bite out of their roster.

[TonyCane]

Panamacity, I want RAY LEWIS for DC if a switch were made.

[Panamacitycane]

spaziani out at boston college also.. dadgum.. when is miami going to announce d'no's firing? hahahha just kidding.....

[Panamacitycane]

Tony, That would be pretty cool, but maybe linebackers coach not DC. I don't think he would know how to coach an entire defense with no real coaching experience. but hell it can't be worst then what we have now, so lets do it!!!

[mi@mic@ne]

I remember reading that Randy and Bill Young did not see eye to eye....what im thinking is that philosophy that lacks aggression... i thought when al was hired the best we could do was to have Randy as dc ...i know.. i know ..that was impossible... but if this Virginia philosophy doesnt work out next year.. we need to get someone from the old school Cane d

[Hassan]

2 non football comments of the day

#1 I am surprised no one said anything about my comment yesterday. Proof of bigfoot has finally been found with a DNA study that verifies his existence. Watch for this to hit the mainstream in the next day or two. Google Melba Ketchum.

#2 The Orange Country Sheriff's office has just surpassed the Casey Anthony Juror's as the dumbest group of people on Earth.

[Hassan]

Tonycane read this

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/outlier?s=t

USC is not an outlier, they had a lot of success at that place, I can show many examples of schools that are similar, at the end of the day Kiffin just sucks as a coach. #1 ranked preseason and 5 losses this year. He just sucks....

I can not call that program an outlier when you yourself showed examples of similar coaches. He simply is not a good coach and is at a place where you can win and he has not proven that he can.

[SinisterCane]

If Al takes NO d with him to TENN then I'm all for it. Promote Jed to HC and keep it moving.

[pbcfrcane13]

Colorado now looking for a new head coach....man not a good day to be a CFB

[nemo2002]

I repeat, stars are only opinions

STARS = OPINIONS

Posted by: Willie Will in Nashville | November 25, 2012 at 04:30 PM

I repeat, Willie Will's posts (on this topic) are only opinions.

WW's COMMENTS = OPINIONS

[j.w.]

true, CGNC_-Montie does follow him everywhere. :) Wish Six were here to remind us about Montie Kiffin at TB, I know his defenses were excellent, but was that more because of Brooks/Sapp?Lynch or the scheme?

[Sy-Cane]

I'm predicting Gus Malzhan to either Arkansas or Auburn, with him leaning more towards Arkansas because of his roots and James Franklin to Tennessee.

[TonyCane]

Hi Hassan,

I might have not communicated correctly. Did not sleep well last night so perhaps my thoughts are jumbled. I agree with you.

By the standards below Lane does not appear to be a good coach. Under his watch, USC has completely underperformed. Just look at the team that he inherited, and what he has done with it:

Rivals Recruiting Ranking, USC Record
2006: #1 (11-2)
2007: #2 (11-2)
2008: #8 (12-1)
2009: #4 (9-4)
2010: #1 (8-5) Kiffin's first year
2011: #4 (7-2)
2012: #8 (7-5)

Perhaps what I should say is that USC represents an anomaly in college football. As long as a coach is a great recruiter his team should enjoy consistent success, like Mack Brown did at Texas for so many years. His team should be averaging 9 to 10 wins a year. Despite the talent brought in, Kiffin has achieved absolute mediocrity:

USC TROJANS
2009: (4)*****,(11)****,(2)***,(0)**
2010: (5)*****,(14)****,(1)***,(0)**
2011: (1)*****,(14)****,(13)***,(0)**
2012: (3)*****,(10)****,(2)***,(0)**

Total 5-Stars: 13
Total 4-Stars: 49
Total 3-Stars: 18
Total 2-Stars: None!

By this measure, USC should have won at least one national championship in the last four years. And certainly should have had no more than 3 losses in a season.

[laquinton]

Lmao. Coaches being fired left and right. Lots of good jobs out there. Can't wait to see where randy lands

[Sy-Cane]

I'm also predicting that this is Nick Saban's last season at Alabama and will take one final shot at the NFL. I see Carolina and NYJ making a strong play for his services.

[Terrance Sullivan]

It's Pink Slip Sunday.

[pbcfrcane13]

Id be shock if Saban leaves for the NFL everyhitng I ever read was Saban realized the way he coaches and treats college kids he couldnt get away with it with pro players. Jason Taylor even talks about how he went off on Saban once because he was treating a rookie like a dog. Heath Evans has told stories about how bad Saban treated the players with the phins. Saban if smart says at Bama and becomes a legend and has a statue built right next to the bear.

[Ohio_Cane]

@ByPapaCane: Recruiting Update: Pete Ariz is reporting that 2013 5-Star RB Derrick Green will visit Miami in the near future. He's a top priority.

[herbieibis]

The word from the Herb is this:
Yes the defense was a little leaky this year and yes it will get better BUT ONLY IF WE GET HELP UP FRONT.
N. Dame's front 4 averages 6'4 and over 300lbs. what is our's 6'2 275 maybe. We can't bat no passes down because we have to many 6'1 midgets up front.
I don't care who's calling the dam shots but we need a shot of some serious talent up front or we're going to have to average 45 points a game and we still may get beat. Lb's need some help too! Let's be honest, unless there is some kind of man-child out there, thereain't going to be to many freshmen coming in that can help up front. Jucco is the only way to go and they need not be another Smith or Plug or whatever the sad sack is.
Lane Kiffin is an idiot. Great recruiter but his problem is, he forgot to recruit defensive talent. He has all those 5 stars on offense. Our conference has to get better. Just not enough overall talent and to many sad sack mediocre teams.

[Sy-Cane]

At least the NYJ situation will allow him to completely gut the team and bring in his players, almost similar to what Shiano has done this year with the Bucs, so he won't necessarily have to fight for HOF veteran's approval, like he did at Miami. If he's a Bill Parcells type of guy, (from his coaching tree) I think he gets bored with what he's got and tries to challenge himself even more, because of his ego.

[Willie Will in Nashville]

I repeat, Willie Will's posts (on this topic) are only opinions.

WW's COMMENTS = OPINIONS

Posted by: nemo2002 | November 25, 2012 at 08:22 PM

You are correct lol. Just like

nemo2002 negative comments = opinions

So my opinions, yours, and stars don't mean a DAMN THANG. Thanks for helping to prove my point.

Long story short, put the telescope down and let the coaches handle the recruiting, THANKS

[CoCane]

Herbie,

I think Jethro ruined Darius "the plug" Smith. Last year he was the only formidable player at DT. It's very weird that he came in this year rated as a top 5 SR DT, then all of a sudden forgot how to play. Things that make you go hmmm...

My theory is that he lost too much weight. He played at 360 last year. This year he played at 320. He should've only dropped to 335-340. Losing 40 lbs took too much from him. He wasn't able to "throw his weight around". Jmo

[CoCane]

So I take back Jethro ruining him. The diet fukked him up. Jethro still couldn't coach an slutty 18 year old thumb sucker to give a blowjob. DAM I WISH JETHRO & D'NO WOULD JUST WALK INTO RUSH HOUR TRAFFIC BLIND FOLDED!!! :-(

[longtimecanefan]

my 2 cents worth on the season in review...

First, big time tks for 86 and the blog. Would have never made it through another season without it. He deserves a standing O for giving us a place to share.

On the team, great job by all of the O. Morris really came of age, MJ was a class act, and the Duke is Heisman material. The WR's and OL are set for next season. Maybe a TE will step up and we'll have the complete package. For sure we can score points.

Special teams, all in all a great job. A few FG kicking issues, but we had some great returns, and for the most part had good coverage and field position. Haven't had this much excitement since Hester or Moss was here.

On the D.....we can only say they gained experience. Next year can't be any worse, literally.......if we had UF or FSU's D we'd be in the BCS top 3 or 4. As is, we're lucky we're in the ACC and 7-5.

AG....for year 2 did ok, but needs to show we're for real next season. My view, No'D has to go, our talent isn't nearly as bad as the level of play we're seeing out there. Another year of the worst D in Div 1 and AG may be looking for work himself...

My thoughts on recruiting...we need DT's and DE's big time. A few LB's as well. We have no control on D with the front 7. With no pass rush we can't play man to man long enough on the corners to not get burned. Enough drafting undersized lineman.

I called it 7-5 or 6-6, so about what I expected. Next year it's all up to the D. If we improve it's 9-3 and top twenty ranking. If not, it's another 7-5 or so and we're in a bowl game that no one will ever remember.....

tks again 86!

[herbieibis]

CoCane,
I don't think they ruined him. One of the conditions of him getting a ship was to lose weight. If he couldn't play at 320 something is wrong. I just think they decided if was only going to be average, then we might as well put a soph or fresh. in let them be average and learn on the job. As for DENO & Jethro, you've seen our talent up front, who scares anyone? If we can't throw no talent Duke aside and I mean no dam stars worth of talent Duke, who can we whip up front? Might point is we have a team full of point guard height on defense. most of our LB's are 6'0 and half our d-tackles are 6'0. Can we even find the ball carrier once the o-line stands up? Well we do it's usually 5 or 6 yds dwon field.

[BigWindyCane1]

Interesting comparison for QB - Jacory v. Morris.
__________________________________

Stephen Morris

Miami (Fl)JRQB (2012)
G - att - comp - pct - yds - ypa - TD - INT - Rat

12 - 421 - 245 - 58.2 - 3345 -7.9 - 21 - 7 -138.07

Jacory Harris Miami (Fl) (2011)SR

12 - 300 - 195 - 65.0 - 2486 - 8.3 - 20 - 9

150.61

[TonyCane]

I wonder where Duke Johnson would project if he was draft eligible?

[BigWindyCane1]

Another comparison
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Name - Team- Yr - Pos - G - Att - Yards -aypg. - TD - Att/G -

Duke Johnson (2012)

12 - 139 - 947 - 6.81 - 10 - 11.58 -78.92

Lamar Miller (2011)

12 - 227 - 1272 - 5.60 - 9 - 18.92 - 106.00

[Terrance Sullivan]

Actually J12 only played 11 games last year he was suspended for the Opener against Maryland. But good stats.

[BigWindyCane1]

Another comparison that shows the impact of Duke Johnson as a KR
__________________________________________
Duke Johnson (2012)

G - Att - Tot - Avg - TD - Attpg - avg
12 - 27 - 892 - 33.04 - 2 - 2.3 - 74.3

Travis Benjamin (2011)

11 - 25 - 592 - 23.68 - 0 - 2.3 - 53.8

[BigWindyCane1]

Here is one positive stat for the defense when compared to last year. Its perhaps one of the more important team stats when determining who wins and looses.

Turnover margin -
(2012) + 7 (2nd in ACC)
(2011) - 4 (9th in ACC)
(2010) - 8 (11th in the ACC)

[orange 'n green in the vein]

Just want Morris to get healthy for once this off-season, work on his delivery to iron out the inaccuracies that plague him in the intermediate throws from time to time and take his film study to another level and he'll have a chance to throw for 3500 yards and 30 TD's. Jedd needs to stop letting guys other than Morris throw the ball unless it's Ryan Williams in mop up time, even though it was working this year most of the times he called for it.

[Ohio_Cane]

@ByCasagrande: Video of the infamous @GoldenAl on @UM_Sebastian chest bump at Georgia Tech surfaces. Focus hard at :18 mark. http://t.co/kjQJeTQV

[Willie Will in Nashville]

Coke,

You right about Da plug, it makes you wonder. Specially since this staff were the ones that brought him in. I also noticed that it seams like they were told not to get into the backfield some games. They got into the backfield against va tech but couldn't against duke??