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November 17, 2013

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j.w.

Dos!

WWIM

I blame this loss on Slogan, d'no, and UpNorth!!!!

SOUP

Soup - just threw ya the U salute as I passed Yeehaw on the way to the 954

Posted by: KYcane | November 17, 2013 at 08:41 PM

NICE!

CGNC

From the Miami Herald

“They both know what they presented to the public was not what they meant,” Golden said. “It was expressed the wrong way, and for that they are contrite. I’m going to talk to both of them, but I know they both wish they hadn’t hit ‘send.’

“What they really wanted to say was that they thought they could have helped us win.”

I think they meant "this is embarrassing".

SOUP

About the bowl game in Orlando on 12/28 - YES, I would go IF we are selected. I said before Orlando or Tampa, but that's as far as I go.

CGNC

ooops - he was talking about PD4 and Duke's tweets

CGNC

DallastxCane! How are you??? What do you think?

WWIM

Posted by: CGNC | November 17, 2013 at 09:05 PM

That's too FUNNY!!!!

Yeah Slogan, I'm sure that's what they meant lol.

Terrance Sullivan

Cool. Great work Soup. Well if we are there I will see U there would come for that weekend.

SOUP

OK before U say it NigeianCane made me feel guilty about what I wrote last night by saying that "I represent Canes fans." So I had to write something soft and sweet. Guilt is a powerful motivator! I felt I was too harsh and wanted to make it right. I know OGV and others will be pissed and say I coped out but I had to do it. We are all Canes fans and have on;ly one team to root for even if we are not perfectly happy with the head coach all of the time.

DallasTX Cane

Otis Anderson - a Giant among CANES

86 - Class act brother. We fans lose perspective so easily. Yes, losing to Duke is about as bad as I can recall things ever being...however, it still isn't as low as a 48-0 shutout effort at the last game in the historic OB. And, things aren't nearly as bad as they were in the '70's. Football, even Miami football, ain't life & death - our military overseas knows that personally. We loved U football back before all the glory...if we abandon ship now, what're we saying?...that all we care about is the winning & the extended sense of shared glory?

The world is turning. Baylor of all teams is a legit top 5. Once upon a time, fans of other programs used to react like we just did when Miami beat them...traditional beat-down team rises up. Give Duke credit for what they've achieved. Criticize what needs criticizing within our program - the D...duh. But keep your head up and thank U for providing simply the best CANES forum out there!

WWIM

Soup, no need to apologize, you letting yo inner Slogan get da best of ya. Next thing you know you'll be trying to get us to play 12min quarters. LOL

Terrance Sullivan

OK before U say it NigeianCane made me feel guilty about what I wrote last night by saying that "I represent Canes fans." So I had to write something soft and sweet. Guilt is a powerful motivator! I felt I was too harsh and wanted to make it right. I know OGV and others will be pissed and say I coped out but I had to do it. We are all Canes fans and have on;ly one team to root for even if we are not perfectly happy with the head coach all of the time.

Posted by: SOUP | November 17, 2013 at 09:13 PM
Soup, no need to apologize, you letting yo inner Slogan get da best of ya. Next thing you know you'll be trying to get us to play 12min quarters. LOL

Posted by: Willie Will in Missouri | November 17, 2013 at 09:13 PM
Soup I love U man.
WWIN mane U a fool for that one with the 12 minute quarter reference. U made me spit out my Sam Adams Winter Lager from laughter.

DeeCane

Great article SOUP....I think Golden will get it right

Terrance Sullivan

Soup BTW I got into contact with Kenny about the weekend. All systems go. Dear God please let our Canes play in Orlando so I can party with my Canespace family one more time in 2013 and root our Canes on till victory.

canezilla

I FEEL U SOUP WE ALL FELT WORSE YESTERDAY,BUT LETS KEEP IT REAL SOMETHING HAS TO CHANGE!!! WE HAVE THE TALENT TO WIPE THE COASTAL CLEAN!!! THIS WAS THE YEAR, IT WAS GIVIN TO US ON A GOLDEN PLATTER!! THEY BLEW IT BIG TIME. NEXT YEAR DEFENSE IS GOING TO BE WORSE ..AND WE ALL HAVE HIGH HOPES ON WILLIAMS BUT IF HE WAS NECK AND NECK WITH MORRIS FOR THE STARTING GIG THEN HE WOULD OF BEEN PUT IN WHEN MORRIS WAS HURT VS GT,UNC WF... WHO EVER HAS THE KEYS TO THE BUS PLEASE PARK THAT BITCH UP AND AND TAKE THE BATTERY OUT CAUSE ITS GOING TO BE A WHILE BEFORE WE GO ON ANOTHER TRIP

Terrance Sullivan

True statement Zilla. There definitely needs to be changes though. And yes the Coastal was for the taking twice and well we blew it. But its still Go Canes! Beat Virginia!

Terrance Sullivan

DeeCane how is it going bruh.

NativeCane

Great blog article SOUP!

Youre doing the right thing old buddy!

DEM CANES!!!

roachcane77

Nicely stated SOUP.

AG is indeed working hard. However, as fans of the U, we have a right to expect a superior product. When AG accepted this job, he knew of the expectations that go with this job… (We're NOT Temple after all.)

He needs to make changes… If he is too stubborn to change, he needs to either move on, or be "asked" to move on.

The sad thing is though, as I said a few blogs back… I think he will be given a "pass" for three more years by the current administration.

We'll see in the days and weeks to come if AG makes any changes, or stubbornly sticks with a failing "system."

NativeCane

TSully I noticed youre gonna root the canes on till victory instead of to victory LOL!
I like your attitude young man!

DEM CANES!!!

Surfercane

I will diff come by and meet you canespacers in person if we make it to the Bowl game in Orlando. I go to several home games a year so sooner or later I'll meet some of you guys.

Nice article Soup!

Win out Canes!

I believe in Coach Golden!! Coach D'NO not so much :(

mi@mic@ne

Football is about pounding people into submission. Thats the real definition of momentum. I havent seen this happen in a UM game since 2002. Its been a long time.

Im hoping the recruiting continues to go well so the next coach will have a smooth transition.

jaime

Many of us forget that back in 1998 and 99 UM lost back to back to east Carolina as butch too was trying to rebuild. As it is, comparatively, we are in 1998. Two years away. Also- Baylor has beaten oklahoma and is ranked higher than either Texas, ou and a,m. Who, 5 yrs ago would have even dreamed that?? Vandy beats uf at the swamp. Wake beat fsu 3 yrs in a row. It happens. Let's move on

SOUP

Miami head coach Al Golden released his team’s latest depth chart Sunday night. Miami (7-3, 3-3 ACC) concludes its home schedule Saturday against Virginia (2-8, 0-6 ACC) for Senior Day. Kickoff is set for noon ET on ESPNU.

Junior WR Phillip Dorsett returns to the depth chart at the Hurricanes' second wideout position, sharing No. 1 duties with Stacy Coley and Herb Waters. Dorsett was injured in Miami's 27-23 road win Oct. 17 at North Carolina.

On the defensive side, several shifts have been made. Senior Justin Renfrow, junior Olsen Pierre and redshirt senior Luther Robinson are all vying for the starting defensive tackle position alongside senior Curtis Porter. Junior Thurston Armbrister and sophomore Tyriq McCord are listed as co-starters as left outside linebacker. Senior Tyrone Cornileus is listed as Denzel Perryman's backup at right outside linebacker.

In the secondary, sophomore Deon Bush is now the starter at safety. Sophomore Rayshawn Jenkins and junior Kacy Rodgers II are co-starters at the other safety spot. Freshman Jamal Carter is listed as the backup to Jenkins and Rodgers II.

Saturday's game will also kick off its "Uniendo La Familia" (Uniting the Family) campaign. During the celebration of the Hurricanes’ last home game, the Hurricanes will show their appreciation of the diversity within the South Florida community with an on-site concert featuring radio host celebrity, DJ Laz, and popular artist, Maffio, along with pre-game activities appropriate for all ages. The event will give attendees the opportunity to partake in a variety of family-fun activities, including an Instagram booth and photo opportunities.

24th Street Cane

Soup,
Good article/letter.
Your rant and all the other criticisms, do not even come close to what came down out of the west end zone onto Coach Tate.
Live and in color.

DeeCane

DeeCane how is it going bruh.

Posted by: Terrance Sullivan | November 17, 2013 at 09:25 PM

Everything good big bro...got settled into Fort Hood , Texas safely...so many Longhorn fans here, but its great number of Canes here in the city, i was surprised....how are u??

The Dude

SOUP,

It takes guts to post an article like this. We are angry and I know you are too but posting this article was the right thing to do and I respect you for it.

SOUP

Youre doing the right thing old buddy!

Posted by: NativeCane | November 17, 2013 at 09:27 PM

Thank U sir.

Sarasota 'cane

Nice blog Soup.

SOUP

We are angry and I know you are too but posting this article was the right thing to do and I respect you for it.

Posted by: The Dude | November 17, 2013 at 09:41 PM

I felt bad all day so I had to make it right. Not afraid to say "I'm sorry" or "I was wrong".

Now about this UVA game...

DallasTX Cane

Hey CGNC! Funny thing is that I was pissed during the game, but strangely calm after. I think I wasn't surprised. I don't know how U have the division open up & be right there for the taking and then give LESS effort. I'd have thought when the word of VT's loss was announced, we'd have exploded with energy. Shows what I know.

I'm not convinced we'll be worse next year on D simply because we're so dam bad right now. I was willing to give NoD time. Now that this season is over (for all intents & purposes), the results are out there for all to see. It's pathetic. I do believe the overall positives Golden has brought the past 3 years outweigh the negatives. It wasn't like we fired a guy building a powerhouse in order to get AG. AG hasn't succeeded yet, but he hasn't torn down the program like Coker did & he has made strides in certain areas fixing what Randy either couldn't or wouldn't fix. I also believe the NCAA deal could have been a virtual death sentence - we came through that ordeal relatively intact due to AG & Donna S. We underestimate how really badly that deal could have gone.

All that being said; it is now what it is. Going forward with the current coaching group intact should not be an option. If Al won't make changes, then the consequences are on him.

Anyone else spend the game thinking that if Morris had checked down all year long the way he was doing on Sat, we'd still be top15??

Sarasota 'cane

Everything good big bro...got settled into Fort Hood , Texas safely...so many Longhorn fans here, but its great number of Canes here in the city, i was surprised....how are u??

Posted by: DeeCane | November 17, 2013 at 09:40 PM

I always felt like there were more Aggie's on base when I was stationed there. Mostly officers. I miss those weekend trips to Austin!

The Dude

I feel like (fair or not) we heap a lot of the Coker & Shannon years on to Golden because 1. We are pissed we aren't winning after all this time and 2. Golden wasn't Gruden or Davis and we would probably be further along had we gotten a proven HC. That being said Golden has burried his head in the sand too long on this defense. Most likely because he actually thinks it will work and now can't tell everyone what he now knows. That he doesn't know everything like he thought he does, that the proccess is flawed and it can't be trusted, that he has to make changes to win. Al is learning on the job folks. If he can't bring himself to fire D'Onofrio, he has to demote him to DL or something and bring in a real DC with a scheme that actually works.

Terrance Sullivan

TSully I noticed youre gonna root the canes on till victory instead of to victory LOL!
I like your attitude young man!

DEM CANES!!!

Posted by: NativeCane | November 17, 2013 at 09:31 PM
Thanks very much my friend.
Good to hear that DeeCane. Yes Sir CanesFam are everywhere.
I need to appologize also for my rant last night. There still needs to be changes but Love the Canes till the end.

The Dude

About this UVA game...

Well what can be said. I'm sure he's already appologized to the players but I'm not sure if he's said they'll be making scheme changes. That will be admitting failure in his system. He'll get them regrouped, that much I trust. The offense should be good for 30. But we all know its the D... what do we do now? We are ten games into this thing and we know UVA is about to have a field day. I guess we just cross our fingers the rest of the year? What changes can be made in a week?

Terrance Sullivan

We better beat Virginia.

dj moonbat

We better beat Virginia.

Posted by: Terrance Sullivan | November 17, 2013 at 10:02 PM


Or what? Then we'll REALLY be mad? This team's got no sense of urgency.

KYcane

REMEMBER THE ORANGE BOWL!!!

Go Canes....beat Virginia!

Canezitis

Ummmmm, are we still firing Dno? I'm glad you feel better soup, but I've supported all of our coaches until it became obvious that the wheels are coming off the bus. This has all flats right now and the only solution is a different philosophy on the defensive side of the ball at the very least. So, again, either Dno totally changes his schemes and can adjust to opposing offenses before a whole half is played(lately a whole game), or he needs to go. And sense he's a stubborn fool, it has to be the later. I don't apologize, I'm justified for my anger. You're a bigger man than me!

Canezitis

Oh, and watch the 2nd half again- he's lost the players.

raizecane

About the bowl game in Orlando on 12/28 - YES, I would go IF we are selected. I said before Orlando or Tampa, but that's as far as I go.

Posted by: SOUP | November 17, 2013 at 09:05 PM

***********************************

If it's in orlando, I am in….

BTW - I still don't see myself getting a free whopper after this weekend…. LOL

SOUP

Oh, and watch the 2nd half again- he's lost the players.

Posted by: Canezitis | November 17, 2013 at 10:16 PM

I saw that on defense.

Terrance Sullivan

LOL RaizeCane.

Canesteeler

I am still pissed and that is not going to change anytime soon. Although I gave my tickets away for the upcoming game, I will sit at home and watch. Unfortunately I don't think the results will be any better than last week.

MassicCane

I see everyone posting stuff about Baylor being a legit top team which they but there is a big difference why they are ranked that high and it's called DEFENSE

Terrance Sullivan

We are still projected to go to the Russell Athletic Bowl on December 28th in Orlando unless we keep pulling a Jim from American Pie and well U know the rest.

TonyCane

I don't think that we will be any worse. We will be incrementally better, as depth remains a big issue. The 2014 class cannot be relied upon next year to lead a surge back to the Top 10. But it will in 2015. Big time.

And regarding that 2014 class, we've got something thag Va Tech and Duke do not have. It is a top five class. Lets hope they all contribute.

Terrance Sullivan

LOL I bought a ticket to the Russell Athletic Bowl on the Russell Athletic Bowl site for the cheap for 20 dollars on the ACC side hoping the God our Canes! If our Canes crap the bed oh well I am out of 20 dollars. Go Canes! Beat Virginia!

Terrance Sullivan

Section 302 Row M Seat 6. Go Canes!

SJMPARMAN

I understand the blog. I don't think any part of me believes Golden wants to lose. He just thought if they ran the same defense he played in college, he would win. The problem with that is that if Miami-PSU played 10 times in 1986, maybe Vinnie makes those mistakes 3 of ten times. PSU loses 7 of ten times but he only remembers the 1 time it won.

But I don't think he is even running PSU's defense. PSU recruited ELITE linebackers. Jimmy Gaines is an effort guy. He tries so hard. And he has improved from his freshman year. But he is not an every down backer. The other linebacker position is a mystery. Sometimes Shayon plays, sometimes Armbrister and others. None of those players are effective against the run or the pass.

I dunno what the staff can do. At its base, the team can make more substitutions but nobody at the weakside has a special skill - meaning a run or pass stopper. But the scheme doesn't really allow the best players to use their talents. Pash rushers can't rush, linebackers can't shoot the holes in the offense, and the defensive backs have to find the man in the zone and then get close enough to make a play. It is just asking alot of them right now.

Since we asked about Virginia, I've watched enough of their games to puke. They are the worst team in the ACC by far. Not even close. Louden let his best quarterback go for someone not exactly a heisman candidate. But our defense may give him some votes. But even if he plays his best game ever, they can't beat us. Not even close in talent.

If Golden loses this game, and I would put the chance at about 38%, he has to be gone. Losing to U VA once in a decade is okay, losing to them four times in a row, never truly avenging the last OB game, and asking for us to believe in any process that results in a loss to this VA team, would be the ultimate disgrace.

UMike

After I drop some Canes info today..Im out!! SOUP, I know you have calmed down, but I havent! lol I put way to much emotion and energy into being a fan to watch the Dukes of the world put 48..yea..48 freaking points on us! AGAIN, we allow Duke's RB to rush for a career best, AGAIN, D'No cannot get guys in position to stop the same play that is hurting us. This is the first time in Cane history...first time ever...that a Miami D gave up 40 in three straight games. Its just pathetic at this point. I know we need more talent, but we have enough talent to prevent Duke from scoring 48 and allowing their RB to go for a career best.

What is worse..Miami could give up 30-40 to UVA and more to PITT and Golden will not fire D'No. D'No WILL be Golden's down fall, you can vault that shyt!!! How can Golden fire D'No when he has been preaching "trust the process" for years and talking about "building" and not having the talent etc etc blah freakin blah! Sadly, we will lose another game... it is going to happen.

Anyway..enjoy your info today......

UMike

Regarding Stuckey....I said it like a month or so ago he wouldnt be in this class. He can "decommit" all he wants...he didnt have the grades anyway, so no loss there. Just another spot to open up...

Also, did anyone see Berrios tweet? He said he could have gone to Oregon or OSU, but "I wanted to bring MY team back"... I hope many of he other recruits have that mindset.

UMike

## And so a season that started so promisingly has deteriorated into an ugly mess, exposing all the defensive shortcomings this staff thought it had fixed.

And this one was particularly nauseating, not only because Duke bludgeoned UM on the ground, not only because Duke ended the game on a 20-0 stampede, not only because Duke hadn’t beaten UM since 1976 (spanning nine UM wins in the series), but also because Maryland had delivered a huge gift to UM by beating Virginia Tech earlier in the day. That means UM would have gone to the ACC Championship game by winning out. No longer. Now Duke controls its destiny in the ACC Coastal.

Read these numbers and weep: Duke’s 358 rushing yards were its most since 1994. The Hurricanes allowed 543 yards overall and have now permitted 1609 over the past three games. Duke averaged 6.9 yards per carry. And there’s there: UM has allowed more than 500 yards in four of its past five games.

### Al Golden’s take, afterward on WQAM: “We didn’t make enough plays. There are no excuses. We didn’t tackle well enough. We had too many penalties. We gave up too many explosive plays, especially on the ground. There’s enough blame to go around. It’s my responsibility to get it corrected tomorrow. We have to look at every aspect of what we’re doing and what we’re coaching. We’re not getting any takeaways. It’s not just the defense’s issue. It’s everyone on the team’s issue.”

### So what’s the problem defensively? Where do we start?

Curtis Porter and Justin Renfrow, so effective early in the season at defensive tackle, couldn’t unhinge from blocks. (Olsen Pierre and Luther Robinson didn’t exactly distinguish themselves, either.)

Anthony Chickillo and Shayon Green couldn’t seal off the edge on several outside runs and didn't offer much help on runs inside the tackles.

Jimmy Gaines once again lost running backs and tight ends in coverage. Even when UM was rushing only three, backs or tight ends were still wide open on at least two occasions.

The pass rush has disappeared, with Chickillo, Green, Tyriq McCord, Al Quadin Muhammad and others unable to generate any kind of consistent pressure.

Tyrone Cornelius never bothered turning around on a 22-yard TD pass in the first half.

McCord and Cornelius were obliterated on Josh Snead’s 31-yard run.

Porter couldn’t get off a block and AJ Highsmith missed a tackle on Snead’s 56-yard run.

Tackling was again shoddy, with Gaines, Rayshawn Jenkins, Denzel Perryman, Highsmith and others missing tackles.

UM defenders --– Denyel Peryman, Cornelius, Deon Bush and others --– couldn’t fight off blocks on screen plays in their area.

As Golden said, “We’re losing leverage on runs stunting inside.” (As we noted here Friday, one former UM defensive player said UM is stunting too much.)

Linebackers took poor angles, as Micheal Barrow pointed out to them on the sideline (according to WQAM).

Ladarius Gunter was beaten on a long pass, though his coverage wasn't awful on the play.

Defensive lineman Ufomba Kamalu didn’t read a play correctly, allowing a sizable run early in the game.

We could go on, but you get the picture.

Bottom line: UM has no answers for anything.

By the way, defensive end David Gilbert, who was honorable mention Big 10 and a very good starter on a solid Wisconsin team last season, continues to receive limited playing time. Gilbert, who has a history of foot problems, is healthy enough to play, but UM coaches believe Green is the better player. And in fairness to Green, he had been one of UM’s best defenders before November.

### The offense --– missing four key players in the fourth quarter --- finished with an impressive yardage total (565) but stalled over the final 20 minutes, unable to come away with any points on its final five possessions.

Here’s how the final five series ended: A bad exchange, and fumble by Dallas Crawford on a third and one (UM recovered but the play lost yards); Stephen Morris threw incomplete to Allen Hurns on a 3rd and 7; Morris came up two yards short on a third down (and the Hurricanes regrettably punted, down eight, from their own 43 with 10:18 left); Hurns dropped a pass on fourth and three; and Morris ran for seven yards on a 4th and 10 late in the game.

By the way, after that questionable decision to punt on the fourth and two, it took Duke only two plays to penetrate the UM 43, where Duke would have gotten the ball if UM had gone for it on fourth down and hadn't gained a yard.

### Morris closed 30 of 49 for 379 yards and played without two of his best weapons (Duke Johnson, Phillip Dorsett) and well over half the game without Stacy Coley. Herb Waters had nine catches for 116 yards and two touchdowns but missed much of the second half with a groin injury. Hurns had eight catches for 107 yards.

“We are going to do a lot of focusing on ourselves the next couple of weeks, go back to the drawing board,” Morris said. “We’ve got to score more.”

Crawford ran hard, finishing with 115 yards on 19 carries.

### UM lost Coley to concussion-like symptoms not long after his punt return for a touchdown that gave UM a 10-0 lead. Artie Burns (ankle) also missed the second half with an injury.

Read more here: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/sports-buzz/#storylink=cpy

UMike

The University of Miami released a new depth chart late Sunday night after the team's third consecutive loss and as expected receiver Phillip Dorsett was back on it, an encouraging sign considering the Hurricanes could use all the help they can get.

Perhaps the most encouraging sign of all was that for the first time all season explosive sophomore Tyriq McCord was on it, listed as the co-starter with Thurston Armbrister at strong side line backer.

Also around and easy to spot on the two-deep: freshman defensive end Al-Quadin Muhammad (backup to Shayon Green, hadn't seen him listed in weeks), freshman safety Jamal Carter (backup to Rayshawn Jenkins and Kacy Rodgers) and freshman cornerback Corn Elder (second team behind either junior Ladarius Gunter or freshman Artie Burns). Also, sophomore Deon Bush is now the clear-cut starter over senior AJ Highsmith at safety and sophomore Earl Moore is now listed as a backup to Curtis Porter at defensive tackle.

Which raises this question: is Al Golden ready to dump the old guys for the new guys? Sure has that aroma.

Read more here: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/umiami/2013/11/is-a-youth-movement-about-to-get-going-on-canes-defense-looks-like-it-on-new-depth-chart.html#storylink=cpy

UMike

University of Miami coach Al Golden said Sunday he doesn’t read Twitter and thus doesn’t pay any attention to the multitude of fans calling for the firing of defensive coordinator Mark D’Onofrio.

The Canes (7-3) have allowed 41, 42 and 48 points during their current three-game losing streak and haven’t held an opponent under 20 since Savannah State in the third week of the season.

On Sunday, Miami — as expected — dropped out of The Associated Press Top 25 poll. The Canes were ranked seventh nationally before losing to Florida State on Nov. 2. They tumbled to 14th after that loss and to 24th after falling at home to Virginia Tech.

Saturday’s 48-30 loss at Duke continued this season’s trends — no wins in November and the points-allowed numbers rising.

“Mark [D’Onofrio] is working his tail off to get this fixed,” Golden said of the defense.

Asked if he was pleased with the defense, Golden bristled: “You know I’m not. Nobody is. The players aren’t, either.”

Certainly, injured offensive stars Duke Johnson and Phillip Dorsett fall into that category. They watched the Duke loss on TV in Miami and both tweeted the word “embarrassing” as it related to the game.

And even though Golden said he doesn’t read Twitter, those particular tweets were surely brought to his attention.

“They both know what they presented to the public was not what they meant,” Golden said. “It was expressed the wrong way, and for that they are contrite. I’m going to talk to both of them, but I know they both wish they hadn’t hit ‘send.’

“What they really wanted to say was that they thought they could have helped us win.”

Johnson is out for the season with a broken ankle and won’t get that opportunity for a while.

But Dorsett, who has missed four consecutive games because of a knee injury, could be back soon.

In fact, amid the doom and gloom of the Canes’ skid, Sunday’s injury update seemed to include good news for the team.

Perhaps most importantly was the report that freshman receiver Stacy Coley, who exhibited concussion-like symptoms shortly after his 79-yard punt return for a touchdown, was not as badly injured as it might have appeared.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/11/18/3761041/reeling-hurricanes-not-on-same.html#storylink=cpy

UMike

From CIS & Rivals...on JC Jackson..

Canes remain high because of losses
-says UM chances "A pretty good chance."
-says "Because they need me,"
-says "because they've played defense badly, so I can come in there and be an impact player."
-official visit in January
-says "The coaches, whenever I talk to them they say the need me badly,"
-says on Uf commitment "I don't want to say anything right now."
-aside from UM and UF he's unsure any other visits
-says "A lot of schools are recruiting me,"
-no date on final decision but says it "will be pretty hard."

UMike

From Pete Ariz..


Chad Thomas vs. Glades Central

Was at the Booker T. Washington - Glades Central game last night and Thomas might have had his best game of the season. Glades Central was not the most talented team offensively, but he completely disrupted anything they tried. I don't have the exact stats, but he had at least 2.5 sacks, a QB strip that led to a TD, 4-5 QB hurries, and was in the backfield all night long.

The knock on Thomas prior to the season was that his production did not match his physical ability, but that is not the case anymore. He has come to play this year knowing there is a target on his back. He was playing well into the 4th quarter last night with his team up by 30 and he was still going hard.

It's been mentioned on here before that Thomas projects as a DE in college, but I really hope that Miami coaches use him inside from time to time the way BTW coaches use him. He will continue to add weight and his first step is incredibly quick. This would be an interesting package to see for passing situations.

UMike

Also....Dixon has moved back his announcement date from 11/30 to 12/7

UMike

Ok Spacers..Im out! Will check back in around signing day...unless D'No gets fired before then!!

canezilla

MONDAY MORNING...YUP WE STILL LOST TO DUKE?...UMIKE STAY SAFE THANKS FOR ALL THE INFO U BRING

360Cane

I know, the new depth chart is not the fire D'No announcement you wanted to hear. But at least I got somewhat of a change I'm looking for. Time to get the players that are not getting it done out of the way.

Win these last 2 puts us at 9-3, a win ahead of my predicted 8-4. Oh lord if we go 7-5. :-/

360Cane

Many of us forget that back in 1998 and 99 UM lost back to back to east Carolina as butch too was trying to rebuild. As it is, comparatively, we are in 1998. Two years away. Also- Baylor has beaten oklahoma and is ranked higher than either Texas, ou and a,m. Who, 5 yrs ago would have even dreamed that?? Vandy beats uf at the swamp. Wake beat fsu 3 yrs in a row. It happens. Let's move on

Posted by: jaime | November 17, 2013 at 09:32 PM

I remember the fire Butch Davis chants, too. Then he brought in his PLAYERS. Lol

360Cane

Wait, Duke is 8-2. From all the drama on this Internet thing, you'd think they were 1-9.

Sinistercane

On the Joe Rose show when asked about NOFENSE Al basically blamed the players and It it is all of the coaches just not NOFENSE

jsy

“We bow to no man, we bow to no program. We are going to build a bully.”—Jim Harbaugh

That's the mentality Jim came to Stanford with. That's what I want to hear from golden not excuses

360Cane

Al is learning on the job folks. If he can't bring himself to fire D'Onofrio, he has to demote him to DL or something and bring in a real DC with a scheme that actually works.

Posted by: The Dude | November 17, 2013 at 09:50 PM

Or Al could do the intelligent thing. Actually, understand a 3-4 and understand the personnel is not here to run it. So lets flip what you just sad and insert.

He can fire the players and put in the guys that actually work.

SOUP

If Golden loses this game, and I would put the chance at about 38%, he has to be gone. Losing to U VA once in a decade is okay, losing to them four times in a row, never truly avenging the last OB game, and asking for us to believe in any process that results in a loss to this VA team, would be the ultimate disgrace.

Posted by: SJMPARMAN | November 18, 2013 at 12:53 AM

Well I guess the gauntlet has been thrown down. LOL

SOUP

I put way to much emotion and energy into being a fan to watch the Dukes of the world put 48..yea..48 freaking points on us! AGAIN, we allow Duke's RB to rush for a career best, AGAIN, D'No cannot get guys in position to stop the same play that is hurting us. This is the first time in Cane history...first time ever...that a Miami D gave up 40 in three straight games. Its just pathetic at this point.

Posted by: UMike | November 18, 2013 at 06:31 AM

Trust me when I say: "I feel your pain."

SOUP

Read these numbers and weep: Duke’s 358 rushing yards were its most since 1994. The Hurricanes allowed 543 yards overall and have now permitted 1609 over the past three games. Duke averaged 6.9 yards per carry. And there’s there: UM has allowed more than 500 yards in four of its past five games.

OH MY!

CalgaryCane

“Mark [D’Onofrio] is working his tail off to get this fixed,” Golden said of the defense.

Sooooo...he must be really bad for the results that are showing after he works his tail off.

360Cane

I think the results from "the process" would be here a little sooner if Big Al wasn't hit with an NCAA probe when he got here. That put "the process" in a 3 year hole. This will be Al's first recruiting class on a level playing field and look. It might not be Al's first season here, but it sure must feel like it. Not being able to get the players you want and having to settle.

It'll be interesting to see where we're at in 2015. Year two of the gloves being off. And this is definitely no excuse.

Lane Kiffin did a worse job. ;-)

SOUP

Lane Kiffin did a worse job. ;-)

Posted by: 360Cane | November 18, 2013 at 08:26 AM

Not interested in who else failed and did a WORSE job (Kiffin) to try to make ourseleves feel better. Interested in getting better and winning games at UM.

That is ALL.

SinisterCane

Soup

what's tha inside scoop regarding NOFENSE?

trianglecane

Thanks for this article. You are spot on.

LB

Preface: I believe Al Golden is the man for this job.

The History of Mark D'Onofrio

It's all about production. The rest of it is bullocks.

I'm staring at total point related stats, as rushing or passing defense can be sometimes paralleled to a "bend, don't break" defense that some of the top contenders. I expressed concerns about D'Onofrio's ceiling as early as late 2011. Look at the numbers.

- Total (Total points allowed)
- Average (average points allowed)
- High (Worst performance)
- Low (best performance)
- Shutouts (number of shutouts in the season)
- Under 20 (number of times defense holds opponentsunder 20, generally considered a good defensive performance)
- Over 28 (a poor defensive performance)
- Over 30 (a bad defensive performance)
- Over 40 (a terrible defensive performance)

2006

Total: 496
Average: 41.33
High: 63
Low: 9
Shutouts: 0
Under 20: 2
28+: 10
30+: 9
40+: 9

Note: This is the first year of inheriting a defense of the worst team in college football. It's probably not fair to judge this year, but it exists.

2007

Total: 302
Average: 25.17
High: 48
Low: 3
Shutouts: 0
Under 20: 4
28+: 5
30+: 5
40+: 2

Notes: Drastic improvement from year one. They doubled the number of good games, while reducing points allowed by about 16 per game. Yet almost half of the games were at least bad performances.

2008

Total: 277
Average: 23.08
High: 52
Low: 6
Shutouts: 0
Under 20: 6
28+: 5
30+: 5
40+: 5

Notes: Improvements in points allowed (almost 2 per game) and good performances. But they had three terrible games, and in year three... D'Onofrio's defense had yet to pitch a shutout.

2009

Total: 290
Average: 22.31
High: 35
Low: 13
Shutouts: 0
Under 20: 6
28+: 4
30+: 4
40+: 0

Notes: Improvements in points allowed per game. Half of the performances were good, and there were fewer bad performances (no terrible ones). In year four, the defense pitched NO SHUTOUTS despite playing in a very poor conference.

2010

Total: 229
Average: 19.08
High: 35
Low: 0
Shutouts: 2
Under 20: 5
28+: 3
30+: 3
40+: 0

Notes: D'Onofrio's best year, by far. Points per game? Down. Five good games. Only three bad games. There were two shutouts, but it took D'Onofrio FIVE YEARS to have one.

2011

Total: 241
Average: 20.08
High: 38
Low: 3
Shutouts: 0
Under 20: 5
28+: 4
30+: 2
40+: 0

Notes: Miami Year One. Considering, this wasn't a bad year (but Sean Spence was on this team). Given a much more difficult schedule, only one more point per game was allowed. Only two terrible games... but no shutouts.

2012

Total: 366
Average: 30.5
High: 52
Low: 9
Shutouts: 0
Under 20: 4
28+: 8
30+: 8
40+: 8

Notes: The year which made us all concerned despite a young defense. Discounting D'Onofrio's 2006 defense at Temple, 2012 was the worst year of his career. Forget pitching shutouts... this team was lucky to hold an offense under 30.

2013
Total: 255
Average: 25.5
High: 48
Low: 6
Shutouts: 0
Under 20: 3
28+: 4
30+: 4
40+: 3

Notes: It is not too early to add this. Already the 2013 defense is statistically worse across the board than D'Onofrio's 2010 and 2011 teams. Points per game? Discounting the 2006 season, it's the second worst points per game of his entire career.

Summing it up:
- A Mark D'Onofrio defense has yet to shutout an opponent during the time at the University of Miami.
- The ceiling (2010), at best, looks okay. Okay will not be enough to compete for a conference title.
- The best of D'Onofrio is probably yet to come... but do we want to wait another two years before his defense finally holds an opponent to zero and yet still gives up 30+ in meaningful conference games?

In back to back games, the Canes played themselves out of an appearance at Charlotte. In the meantime, we've lost to Duke and were whipped by an inferior Hokie team. The offense is still pretty good. The loss to FSU should not have dismantled the whole effing season, but it did.

Al Golden's vision is being held back by this defense: see above. Al Golden's loyalty to Mark D'Onofrio is no longer charming.

Fire Mark D'Onofrio. Today.

I rest my case.

Sarasota 'cane

Not interested in who else failed and did a WORSE job (Kiffin) to try to make ourseleves feel better. Interested in getting better and winning games at UM.

That is ALL.

Posted by: SOUP | November 18, 2013 at 08:30 AM

Thank you! That's exactly the same reason I can't stand the Shannon/Coker comparisons! If we cannot compare our coaches to winners then get new coaches!

dj moonbat

Al could do the intelligent thing. Actually, understand a 3-4 and understand the personnel is not here to run it. So lets flip what you just sad and insert.

He can fire the players and put in the guys that actually work.

Posted by: 360Cane | November 18, 2013 at 07:45 AM


Even if we stipulate that Al/D'No's defense would be great if they had the personnel, they have the short- to mid-term obligation to work with what they've got.

dj moonbat

- A Mark D'Onofrio defense has yet to shutout an opponent during the time at the University of Miami.

Posted by: LB | November 18, 2013 at 08:57 AM


And it will be a while. Even if it stiffens up and starts stopping touchdowns, this defense is going to leak field goals until there's a future Pro-Bowl player at every position.

This is what gets me about the defense: you run a defense like this because if you ran a penetration-oriented, pressure coverage scheme you might give up the big play. But we're giving up the big play ANYWAY. So we might as well try to shut teams out, fail, and see where that leaves us. Because we KNOW, for sure, that this isn't working.

MaryLouAlumni

I rubbed my eyes when I first opened up Canespace. WOW! I flipped back to the first one! I think there are fair and good points in both. But, to give a total pass, that's tough. I agree that we were all too upset to think clearly. Golden can only work with what he's got and injuries, injuries, and injuries have hurt us too.
It took pure guts to do what you did 86. I commend you for it and agree with you. We shall see if Golden does anything about D'O or the defense. But, you poured your heart out and that's good, but it's a little TOO SOUPY for me right now. Love ya.
How does Mrs.86 feel this morning? Just curious.

The Dude

Every defense that was ever great got after the QB and made plays in the backfield.

Ohio_Cane

ICYMI: DT Dalvon Stuckey decommitted (Grades). Never would've gotten in.

I, and I think UMike have said we were expecting this. Not surprising. He was a question mark for months because of academics.

The Dude

Jimmy Graham.

The Dude

O_C,

Is anyone else in the same boat as Stuckey?

raizecane

“Mark [D’Onofrio] is working his tail off to get this fixed,” Golden said of the defense.

Sooooo...he must be really bad for the results that are showing after he works his tail off.

Posted by: CalgaryCane | November 18, 2013 at 08:01 AM

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Or he has players that just don't get it or not willing to learn and commit to film study. If that's the case, bench these mo'fo's and play someone else. What do yo have to lose at this point.

The Dude

360,

I don't understand your reply? Are you saying there are players on the team that can run the scheme but Al isn't playing them?

Ohio_Cane

Is anyone else in the same boat as Stuckey?

Posted by: The Dude | November 18, 2013 at 10:00 AM
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Terry McCray is a question mark as well. Possibly another I don't know about yet.

thirstybuzzardcane

The bottom line is that D'no needs to go!!!! Can you not blitz running a 3-4 defense?.....wtf!!! How can Golden defend this guy......I've never been so pissed in my life!!!!

CalgaryCane

Or he has players that just don't get it or not willing to learn and commit to film study. If that's the case, bench these mo'fo's and play someone else. What do yo have to lose at this point.

Posted by: raizecane | November 18, 2013 at 10:03 AM

So it's the coaches fault for selecting the players in the first place... or the coaches fault for not being able to motive them. Either way, Dno has been doing a decent job.

thirstybuzzardcane

Someone on here noted this before, but it looks like the defensive line wants to hit the offense line instead of attacking the ball/running back!! We need to run a man press and blitz the shyt out of the QB....Who cares if we give up a big play, we are giving up plenty right now.

dg

Al Golden has Hysterical Blindness. I have never been a fan, period. He lies about not knowing about the investigation when he got the job. Everyone knew about the issues.Other programs have freshman contributing and he keeps talking process. He is a fraud and UM is the one getting played. Golden and NoD must be on the take! Can someone give any other reason why this is continuing? When your defense is this bad, you make changes--that is if you care! The mere fact that he can't fire his BFF is proof that he is not a leader of men. If the AD does not fire NoD today, you have a pretty good idea of where the program is-right where they want it--non-existent! Different people have said over the years that the administration wanted the program gone because it was bigger than the university--sounds insane. But the evidence is overwhelming right now!

raizecane

Calgary - what do you think Jimmy Johnson would have done if he couldn't motivate a player? I can assure you, he would not see playing time.

These players are still soft. Where is the leadership on this team? Do you see any player taking on the Ed Reed roll in the locker room? Do you think someone stepped up in locker room at halftime down 21 - 20 vs DUKE???

To answer your question…..YES, it is the coached fault for not being able to motivate a team. Them and what leaders we may or may not have.

VA Cane

Soup your are a fine man. I think it was your honest opinion at the moment and that is not wrong.

I hope things get better for us as fans. I watched the game finally. Very bad scheme and the pieces that made it up are average. There is no sense to the scheme and no fundamental skills that I can see. The parts do not work and the whole scheme is flawed. I would rather lose attacking on D than to stand there and get my nose punched over and over. There is a lot of talk about talent....40 and 100 times, stars, high school AA.....mean nothing. Now you are no longer playing against sub par athletes...you are playing against more skilled, intelligent fundamentally sound athletes. If you cannot match that, you're in for a long day.

We have some talent, but not anywhere near where it must be to play the big boys. I do not want to play Bama, LSU, Baylor, Oregon, Stanford, OSU...we are not there and it would be embarrassing...it would ruin the program because the loss would be bad.

We overate our talent and underrate others talent. Bigheads...we are the U we walk out there score on a punt return and we think the game is over. Our 40 and 100 times, # of recruiters who were after us, stars and SWAG CANNOT replace blocking and tackling, footwork, using our hands on D, ball security, using hands to catch the ball, low hard charge out of a perfect stance, man coverage skills....or thinking, playing as a team, learning, aggression, passion, discipline. Take the stars, times, offers, Twitter and talking to the press....go for it mate....cause with my concepts of football above I will beat your AZZ every time.

Another thing....these cats on Twitter not just ours but since they shot their mouths off....stay off of it, ban it. Too much talk too little production. Neither one of them would have changed that game....Jesus Christ couldn't have made a difference. I have seen both of them embarrass the team as well. Both carry the ball like a loaf of bread and could not hang onto it if it had a handle. The attitude must change on staff and players before anything else will change. I dare that kid to say people don't know now.....I know more in a season than he will know in a lifetime.

At least some of our guys can keep their mouth shut, especially since they have had their AZZ kicked hard 3 weeks running. I suggest you shut up, put the Twitter account away cause nobody cares what you think or wants to hear your excuses.....we DO know you lack the basic fundamental skills to play this game and it shows the last 3 weeks....JMO

CalgaryCane

Posted by: raizecane | November 18, 2013 at 10:27 AM

My guess is that they have taken out the fiery players.

dg

1. A player has been playing football since they were 10 yrs old.

2. The player becomes good enough to get a D1 ship to a major university.

3. Player arrives on campus and begins drills and studying a new system that is 360 degrees from what he has been taught at every level of football.

4. Player obeys his coaches and plays the way they want.

5. The result is flat out abysmal. So the player complains and suggests changes. He is told that us the way he has to play.

6. Player keeps trying but things just get worse each week. Complains again but is told to play the way he is coached or get benched.

7. Player says WTF and just goes thru motions.

So how in the he!! would you stay motivated if you know the way you are being coached is just stupid and the scheme is not effective? This is not the players fault. If it were mental lapses here or there, blame the players. This is a total break down!

VA Cane

I hope we can get it together for UVA....I mean they are bad. Talked to 2 of my guys who played for me; one said morale is not too good.....but they are excited about playing UM. Another one told me " As bad as we have been, UM is horrible. They were ranked 7th and are a absolute fraud.....they are just not real good, and they got ranked by beating teams that were really bad. We can beat them". That is a quote from a kid who is very smart......I hope one of you have a way of passing it on cause you should. Maybe it will get them up.

Meanwhile, I am on the right plain. We play in the SB Sat....we play a good team....another bunch who likes to sling it. It is easy to sling it against teams that are not prepared....but that is not us. We will be ready. They hardly run.....so I am going to run a 3 3 5 with my 3 backs lining up all over the place shifting with my linemen.....kinda based on the 46....and my 5 dbs will be man up in your face chucking you hard with 2 hands in your shirt press coverage. My 6 up front are so quick and athletic they will not be able to block them. Their linemen are used to head up blocking....they are not quick or real aggressive....I will shift into the 5/3/3 then the 46, then a 4/4, Dallas Flex...then 4/3...they will be in trouble. Also this week we do all our basic drills the fundas I keep preaching on. On O.....we running right at you and taking your heart and will to survive....then the TEs and WRs gonna get in on it....there will be a mass grave to dig up, cause its Apocalypse Now week. We will not be denied.

CalgaryCane

Posted by: dg | November 18, 2013 at 10:42 AM

Yup.

VA Cane

I meant my 3 LBs lining up and shifting with my DL this is kind of a cool thing.

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