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November 16, 2013

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CGNC

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How much time do you give a person before you realize that they are not the right person for the job?

Posted by: CGNC | November 16, 2013 at 07:44 PM

laquinton

0-3 in November. I'm gonna take up drinkin

j.w.

All I can say is: Yup.

CGNC

From Eric Winston

Hope Golden takes a hard look at his best friend and DC. This isn't a talent thing. The scheme is brutal. No imagination on his part. Bad!
Retweeted by Manny Navarro

Posted by: CGNC | November 16, 2013 at 07:38 PM

SOUP

I AM DONE.

SOUP

I CAN'T TAKE IT ANY MORE.

longtimecanefan

top 10...more than I can say for this team...

4-Real

Auburn last season- 3-9

This season-10-1

It CAN be done folks!

P.s. The turds are giving it to the Cocks rite now.

CalgaryCane

I hate to bad mouth any one on our team, coach or player, hence I will always hold off until it's certain. I said 3weeks ago, DNo and some other D coach can't coach!

KYcane

Losing to Duke are you Fing kidding me,Duke !! I take this as a personal insult as the whole team should !!

Posted by: Sebas13 | November 16, 2013 at 08:06 PM

Amen....If a chance to capture the division falls right in your lap and you can't get up for that???

SOUP

I have better ways to spend my money and my time. Like CaneSteeler I am canceling my season tickets and my Hurricane Club membership. I am done.

dj moonbat

Strangely, this loss isn't hurting me nearly as badly as I would've thought. It's just, you know. . .how things are nowadays. We stink. I forgot it for a while, because we were winning, and there was no reason to confront the stench unnecessarily, but it was always there.

I know that the urge is strong to make somebody PAY for this. But the really crappy thing is that unless the person brought in to fix things was a superstar, we'd blow the recruiting class to hell, and make things EVEN WORSE for a year or two. And we know UM's not going to pay for a superstar.

So I think I may need to hang one of those car-mirror air freshener trees near my TV, 'cause the stink is not going away soon.

The Dude

Paging Butch Davis.

SOUP

QB Morris is TRASH. But he is gone.

DNo is worse than that. If he comes back next year I will pay for people NOT to go to games.

SERIOUSLY.

CGNC

Posted by: SOUP | November 16, 2013 at 08:12 PM

You will feel better doing that. I adopted that several years ago. Cornbread is on fire.

dj, I think AG can still be a good coach, but he needs to make changes. and soon.

SOUP

Moonbat...I don't even care about recruiting at this point. I am so done I don't even care.

This site will be closing in 3, 2, 1...

j.w.

There have to be major, major changes, no doubt, Soup. When we went to the 4-3 and the DL was actually looking good I thought anyone with an IQ over 80 can see this is what we need. But then we revert back to the 3-4, it looks like we're telling our DL not to do anything other than stand in place and slap your opponent across the chest, and watch Dook do what they want. Just incredibly stupid not to get the hell out of the 3-4.

longtimecanefan

I think its fair to say we've given AG a fair try, esp given the NCAA issues.

But the play of the D is not purely the result of lost talent. The scheme, coaching just doesn't work, and we're not getting any better. We are an embarrassment.

No'd must go...now...and clean house of any others as well.

sorry SOUP, like last week you deserve a better effort for your support.


The Dude

I don't blame U SOUP. This is outright BS. The "process" is a joke. Golden is committed to failure. I'd fire him right now for Butch.

SOUP

I can't even say what I want.

My wife will not let me.

God bless her!

The Dude

For what its worth SOUP, we all appreciate what you do for us here.

CGNC

For what its worth, when SOUP started this blog - was it 2006? I know we all thought we would be consistent top ten material way before now. While that has not been the case, I want to thank Soup for having this blog and taking the time that he does with it. I have enjoyed and hope to continue to enjoy blogging with everyone here. Some of you I have even met. We need to stay together. We are all we've got LOL

SOUP

I prayed. I hoped. I yelled. I cursed, I cried.

My wife almost left the house.

We did not win.

I am done.

nemo2002

It's like I've been saying for the last few years:

FEAR THE HYPE

CGNC

Dude - LOL. We posted the same sentiment at the same time!

longtimecanefan

It's like I've been saying for the last few years:

FEAR THE HYPE

Posted by: nemo2002 | November 16, 2013 at 08:21 PM

i don't know if it will work but can no longer disagree....call Butch....

Terrance Sullivan

I have better ways to spend my money and my time. Like CaneSteeler I am canceling my season tickets and my Hurricane Club membership. I am done.

Posted by: SOUP | November 16, 2013 at 08:12 PM
I am doing the same thing.

The Dude

Yeah, lol, jinx, you owe me a coke.

4-Real

Soup,

I know u don't like me, and u know that I know u don't like me, but keep your head up bro. I wanna say on behalf of all the Spacers, THANK YOU 4 giving us something to look 4ward 2 b4, during & after Hurricane season.

SOUP

"I am hurt dawg."

The only problem is that I feel as a fan that I am hurt more than the players on the team. That ain't right.

If players are not throwing helmets and fighting each other on the UM team right now then I have no hope for them. I would punch myself, slam my head, fight my neighbors, yell at my wife and burn down a well U know for a chance at the ACC title.

Is anyone on the UM team doing that right now? I doubt it.

And that is SAD.

TonyCane

No excuse. Duke was the least talented team on the schedule outside of FAU and Savannah. Ridiculous. Manny Diaz and Bill Callahan were fired for less.

Sinistercane

Sleep well tonight Al Golden boot lickers lololololol

Sinistercane

You should never bring back any coordinator who ranks so low in his field,116th to be exact

Terrance Sullivan

"I am hurt dawg."

The only problem is that I feel as a fan that I am hurt more than the players on the team. That ain't right.

If players are not throwing helmets and fighting each other on the UM team right now then I have no hope for them. I would punch myself, slam my head, fight my neighbors, yell at my wife and burn down a well U know for a chance at the ACC title.

Is anyone on the UM team doing that right now? I doubt it.

And that is SAD.

Posted by: SOUP | November 16, 2013 at 08:30 PM
Total agreement.
But Soup I want to thank U for everything man.

j.w.

Sinister: they're all gone.

jsy

Dno is so bad he even turned long time fellow bloggers into enemies

SOUP

No, Sorry folks, but I am not kidding or bluffing, I am done. There will be no more Canespace after this season is over.

I can't take it anymore. If someone wants to buy me out and take it over email me at:

canespace86@aol.com

NO SERIOUSLY.

longtimecanefan

Remember Shockey ate dirt when he lost to remember what defeat was like.

I see none of that on this team.

No'd must go'now...

anyone find the post game video's? can't wait to play AG bingo

roachcane77

Ditto… Thank you SOUP. Best blog on the net!

(BTW, with THIS defense, it doesn't matter WHAT WE wear on game day. LOL)

jsy

I want to hear from the golden defenders ASAP bc I need a good laugh after this disgusting display. So come out come out wherever you are

longtimecanefan

Ms 86 save us!! Don't let SOUP give up! with this team he's all we've got!!

SOUP

THANK YOU 4 giving us something to look 4ward 2 b4, during & after Hurricane season.

Posted by: 4-Real | November 16, 2013 at 08:29 PM

U know this is hard for me to say right now but I even love U more than the Canes right now. Thank U for hanging in there even after I gave U such a hard time. Bring the HATE!

I am done.

Old Skool

an abomination of an abortion of a sham of a travesty of a football game

j.w.

Soup, I know how you feel. All I ask is that you think this over, don't make any final decisions until after you've had a few weeks to forget about how brutal this has been. If you still feel the same way I'll understand and can't blame you, just make sure it's what you really want to do.

Mrs. 86

Ms 86 save us!! Don't let SOUP give up! with this team he's all we've got!!

Posted by: longtimecanefan | November 16, 2013 at 08:37 PM

Are U kidding me? I get to have my husband back after 7 years of hell? Not a chance!

jsy

Look at the bright side I bet we would kill duke at bench press absolutely dominate

Terrance Sullivan

Thank U Mrs. 86 for everything and Soup I love U man. Thanks for everything.

Sinistercane

I want to hear from the golden defenders ASAP bc I need a good laugh after this disgusting display. So come out come out wherever you are

Posted by: jsy | November 16, 2013 at 08:36 PM

They normally come here on Wednesdays at that everything is cooled off

Meast

I'm going to ride with Al Golden till the end. Good or bad.

I love the Hurricanes with all my heart but this loss strangely doesn't hurt me as bad as I thought it would. Although I'm a young guy (only 26) I guess I don't take sports as bad as I used to. I used to let a loss ruin my day/night.

Personally, I just want the Shannon's gone. Highsmith, Rodgers, Porter, Cornelius, Armbrister, Morris etc. gone from the team. They flat out suck. No doubt about it. I do think Golden is the right guy still. Obviously changes will have to be made.

GO CANES!

Sinistercane

The only coaches Al Golden should return is the offense Cordinator and the wide receivers coach

Sinistercane

Sorry for the typo silly iPhone

4-Real

Love ya Soup. The CEO of CEO'S.

SOUP

Just wait until the UVA game at home.

If there are 12,000 people there (they will announce 40K) I will be surprised.

RARA


Here is the deal with the defense. Once I explain this I will shed light into Golden's internal dilemma. Al Golden wants to run a 3-4 read and react defense. When Golden got here he tried to run it in year one but the talent was so bare there was no way they could run it (fyi many teams NFL and college don't have the personnel to run it). So in year 2 they implemented more of a hybrid 3-4/4-3 defense that is read and react in nature, but the talent was still not there to run it and again the scheme is soft (the defense was the nail and not the hammer). So this year the defense has been changed to a hybrid 4-3. There are basically the 3 linemen you see in a 3-4 defense (NT, and 2 DE to play over both OT) and then a hybrid DE/LB played by Shayon Green. When he plays with his hands on the ground he plays like a traditional 4-3 DE. When he plays in a 2 point stance he is playing like a 3-4 LB, however there is never really more than 4 DL and many times its just 3 when Shayon is playing off. As a result the front 7 is often outnumbered by the OL. The first five games it was working decently well because of the improvements made by the players and the stunting done by the DL. However the gig is up and this hybrid 4-3 read and react soft defense is getting gashed. So here is Al's dilemma. If he wants to have success long term he had to scrap the idea of ever running the type of defense he truly wants to run because he won't have the time or get the players to run it because this defense and the current personnel will keep getting gashed and the top DL recruits needed to run it will never come. But that will mean that on some level the defense he knows will be viewed as a failure and that hurts his ego. That then means he not only gas to change to a 4-3 defense because that's what fits his personnel, but it is obvious D-No and Golden don't know how to run a 4-3 defense. It is also clear a read and react defense has to go in lew of an attacking defense. A big change in defensive philosophy that neither he or D-No has. Therefore his boy has to go. But he is torn because he is justifying D-No's failures by saying he had never gotten a chance to run the defense the way its supposed to be run. So for his perspective his butt buddy is going to get a raw deal if he is fired. That is the struggle. If he wants to win at The U he needs to come to the realization that he has to fire his best friend. And no matter how we feel about that that is a difficult decision for anyone to make.

Posted by: RARA | November 16, 2013 at 08:33 PM

The Dude

After the game started and we were up 10-0 and 17-7 I can honestly say, I NEVER felt like we would win. Not for a second. Its that bad. I kept thinking I should start an internet meme "Uh oh D'Onofrio." It would show people f*cking something up, and his face would be there smiling with his hands on his cheeks. Al Golden is a fool afterall. He is committed to this failure.

Terrance Sullivan

Just wait until the UVA game at home.

If there are 12,000 people there (they will announce 40K) I will be surprised.

Posted by: SOUP | November 16, 2013 at 08:48 PM
U already know.

Sinistercane

I now reserve the right to demote NOd to NOFENSE

Sinistercane

And P17 is now thrower 17 "T17

SOUP

Love ya Soup. The CEO of CEO'S.

Posted by: 4-Real | November 16, 2013 at 08:48 PM

I do what I can, but I am done.

We should meet for drinks one day.

No really, I would like that.

jsy

Question for u guys if this doesn't get dno fired what would?

Terrance Sullivan

Soup thank U for the opportunity of hanging out with U the party on the patio, Duffy's, the tailgates, the rides, the shirts, everything. I really appreciate it.

canezilla

IT'S SO BAD THAT IM NOT EVEN MAD??? I WON'T LET THIS CRAP DESTROY MY WEEKEND. LOVE MY FAMILY MORE THEN THE CANES AND THAT IS MOST IMPORTANT TO ME. NOBODY CARES ON THIS TEAM WE ARE SO FUKING SOFT!!! THE 1987 TEAM WOULD OF BEAT THIS TEAM BY 60!!! IM DONE WITH SPENDING MONEY ON AWAY GAMES. BUT WILL STILL GO TO HOME GAMES. I WILL HAVE MY SIGN THIS SATURDAY. D"NO= NO"D LOOK OUT FOR IT, WE'LL IT WON'T BE REALLY HARD ME BEING ONE OF THE 9,000 THERE

SOUP

If Golden does not announce the firing of the DC tomorrow he needs to be fired.

YEAH I SAID IT.

longtimecanefan

Question for u guys if this doesn't get dno fired what would?

Posted by: jsy | November 16, 2013 at 08:56 PM

Firing AG will get it done. And it may come to that.

I predicted things would get "U"gly if they lost to Duke.....

AG must step up now and say changes will be made. He's got a chance to lose 5 straight to end the season. If so he won't be back.

Let's be honest with the NCAA deal over it won't be hard to get somone to come here..

Terrance Sullivan

Completely understand that Zilla.

SOUP

Soup thank U for the opportunity of hanging out with U the party on the patio, Duffy's, the tailgates, the rides, the shirts, everything. I really appreciate it.

Posted by: Terrance Sullivan | November 16, 2013 at 08:56 PM

Those were the best days of my life!

Terrance Sullivan

If Golden does not announce the firing of the DC tomorrow he needs to be fired.

YEAH I SAID IT.

Posted by: SOUP | November 16, 2013 at 08:58 PM
He needs to be fired tonight.

RARA

I still think AG is the right coach for this team, but he has to let go of his defense and he needs to fire his best friend in order to take the program to the levels it is supposed to go. He identified the problem on lack of strenght and conditioning on the team. The players are bigger, stronger, and significantly more conditioned. The players actually have the right mindset. He also is a great recruiter and that is one of the top skills you need to be a college head coach. He now needs to turn his attention to his coaches, primarily his D Coordinator. This will be a hard and personal decision should he choose to fire D'No. If he does we will ascend to where we are supposed to go. If he will not fire D'No he is not the man for the job and needs to be replaced. If D'No is indeed his best friend and AG comes and says "I have no choice" he should understand and wish AG the best.

mi@mic@ne

We used to say..hey youall the Heat Suck...eventually we will see a turn around...dont lose hope

SOUP

Well except for the days with Mrs. 86 of course!

LOL

The Dude

There is no denying that we lost this game because of Al Golden's pride. He thinks he has all of the answers defensiviely and he and his BFF are so much smarter. Al will not fire No D. He will go down for his friend and sell his "process" to some other school. Again, we need to be trying to reach Butch Davis. He can right the ship and recruit. Schiano would follow him next year.

Terrance Sullivan

Soup thank U for the opportunity of hanging out with U the party on the patio, Duffy's, the tailgates, the rides, the shirts, everything. I really appreciate it.

Posted by: Terrance Sullivan | November 16, 2013 at 08:56 PM

Those were the best days of my life!

Posted by: SOUP | November 16, 2013 at 09:00 PM
Those were the best days of my life as well.

SOUP

I almost lost it there. Whew!

Ohio_Cane

Put me on board.

Fire No'D.

Unacceptable, but it will be fixed by next seasons start

RARA

Soup...take a break if you must, but please reconsider making this a permanent decision. What's a canefan in Seattle supposed to do :).

Terrance Sullivan

Well except for the days with Mrs. 86 of course!

LOL

Posted by: SOUP | November 16, 2013 at 09:01 PM
I almost lost it there. Whew!

Posted by: SOUP | November 16, 2013 at 09:02 PM
Soup I knew what U meant.

SOUP

I am SO ANGRY that we lost.

I will not sleep at all tonight.

I wonder how many Miami players are already asleep on the plane home right now?

#LOSERS

CGNC

Posted by: RARA | November 16, 2013 at 08:49 PM

That is a really good post. While most of it is over my head LOL, I think I get it.

The Dude

SOUP, you can't. Think of what it will do to Grey Crow?

Terrance Sullivan

I will go to the games close by me say GT or even FSU, and probably 1 home game a year but the season ticket buying days are over. When the fans care more than the team self evaluation is a must. So thats where I am at.

SOUP

I I were Chickillo I would fight anybody on the team and punch him in the face. If I were Perryman I would choke out D'No.

If I were Tracy Howard I would walk right up to Golden and say: "We ain't playing this crap defense anymore. We are playing what we decide. Deal with it!"

Terrance Sullivan

I am SO ANGRY that we lost.

I will not sleep at all tonight.

I wonder how many Miami players are already asleep on the plane home right now?

#LOSERS

Posted by: SOUP | November 16, 2013 at 09:05 PM
Total agreement.

SOUP

SOUP, you can't. Think of what it will do to Grey Crow?

Posted by: The Dude | November 16, 2013 at 09:06 PM

OK, I may have to reconsider?

BEERicane

Chick is a major part of the defensive problem. He sucks

The Dude

"We started well. We just aren't doing enough on defense." -Al Golden after Duke loss.

Read into that what you like.

RARA

LOL CGNC...Sorry if I made it too complicated. My football mind coming out :). The jist is AG an D'No don't have the personnel or the time to bring in the personnel to run their defense. So they need to change the scheme (3-4 to 4-3) and philosophy (read and react to penetrate and attack). They have enough knowledge to run the defense they need to run (penetrate and attack 4-3) so they need to bring in someone who does. But Golden has to admit his defensive system does not work here and fire his best friend in order to win here (or any major college football program for that matter). Should have just said this the first time lol.

The Dude

He could just demote D'Onofrio and bring in an outsider? But of course he'd have to swallow his pride. That quote though is the first time I've ever seen him even come close to saying we don't know what were doing anymore.

SOUP

RaRa...right it up in detail and email it to me for a front page article:

canespace86@aol.com

4-Real

Hope to get up with u sooner than later Soup. U2 Sully. Soon as I make my Cheddar better I'll hit u up on yo e-mail. Until then, keep ya head up Space!!! LOVE ALL YALL!!! U2 WWIN.Canechic, etc...

CGNC

RARA - LOL - I think more in terms of "see ball, get ball" on defense

SOUP

How do teams run OUTSIDE on us ALL of the friggin time? Back in the day we had two slow azz white bois named Greg Mark and Rusty Medaris who NEVER got run outside on. I am about DONE with that!

longtimecanefan

"We started well. We just aren't doing enough on defense." -Al Golden after Duke loss.

Posted by: The Dude | November 16, 2013 at 09:13 PM

ya think???

BEERicane

If Golden fires D?ShitNo! I will have full faith in him moving forward. I think it would be a boon for recruiting and a galvanizing move for the team. They just don't want to play for that soft system.

Terrance Sullivan

Hope to get up with u sooner than later Soup. U2 Sully. Soon as I make my Cheddar better I'll hit u up on yo e-mail. Until then, keep ya head up Space!!! LOVE ALL YALL!!! U2 WWIN.Canechic, etc...

Posted by: 4-Real | November 16, 2013 at 09:18 PM
Sounds good 4-Real.

CGNC

Take care 4 Real

SOUP

Wow...I just re-read it and my blog was harsh, huh?

Well, good.

RARA

Remeber when Tracy Howard was in D'No's and AG's doghouse last year because he was questioning the defensive scheme? Well Sophmore Tracy Howard should have a conversation with Freshman Tracy Howard because all the things that made him a top recruit that he was his defensive coordinator locked up (aggresive, attacking, press coverage both man and zone). AG and D'No are doing the opposite of what they ask the offense to do. They ask the offense to design a scheme that fits the players's strenghts, but are asking the defenisve player to fit the scheme, not make the scheme fit the players. AG has to make the change. The sooner the better so it doesn't hurt recruiting. It may even help them with defensive recruits.

The Dude

Ltcf, I know right? At least he has finally somewhat admitted its the defense.

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