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December 18, 2013

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coldcane

one time!!!

Ohio_Cane

Deon Bush

Ohio_Cane

I've decided to take some time out of my day to convince U that Dalvin Cook is coming to UM. Why? Partly because I'm bored. Partly because I wanted to put my thoughts into words. I'm not typing this to try and "be right". It's just my prediction, and maybe gives U and idea of how I try and decipher what 17-18 year old kids are thinking each year during this time.


Full disclosure: I have no sources on this kid. I have never met, spoken to, or even seen him in person. I am only going by research on him. What he's said, how he's carried himself, body language, etc.

Here we go:

~ Dalvin said recently after the State Championship that he's "shutting recruiting down". He's done. He knows where he's going.

Shortly after stating this, he told Manny Navarro what helped make his mind up: "Whoever I feel like it's a family. I want to feel like I'm at Miami Central again."

This is very important. Why? Because of a few reasons, by importance (imo):

1. His blood brother, Deandre Burnett, is already at UM on the basketball team. ~ What could feel more like family than a blood brother?

2. His "brother", best friend and teammate at Miami Central, Joe Yearby is committed to UM and will be an EE with Dalvin. ~ This also plays into the family AND Miami Central part of that quote.

3. Another one of his teammates at Miami Central is committed to UM. Trevor Darling. One of the big bodies on the OL he's run behind for his entire HS career. ~ This would also aid in him "feeling like he's at Central again" running behind Darling at UM.

4. We all know at UM, it IS a family, and every recruit that visits says it. NFL players always talk about their "brothers" from UM and are probably the only alumnus that are constantly on campus, year-round. Fans say "CanesFam" all the time, even though it's people who may have never met. It doesn't get more FAMILY than at UM.

~ Another reason he picks UM? Dalvin said the coaches "kept it real with me". Now, U can say whatever U want about Al Golden and staff about their philosophies and schemes, but what U CAN'T say is that they're not REAL with the players, recruits, parents, etc.

One thing past recruits and parents have said, after being recruited by Golden and staff throughout the NCAA mess to now, is that they were "HONEST", "DIDN'T LIE OR BS ABOUT IT", and "KEPT IT REAL". This quote SCREAMS Al Golden and his staff.

~ One last reason: His parents are BOTH huge UM fans. Have been for years.

There are plenty of reasons he would choose FSU. I could list at least 10. But if his comments about Family, brotherhood, and coaching honesty are true, he'll be in Coral Gables in January.

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Admittedly, and something highlighted by some posters on here, I was wrong on a lot of kids last year. Partly because of bad info, but there was some really good sources I have that had solid info and there were drastic, unpredictable changes.

Example(s):

- Alex Collins being a silent that changed his mind at the last second and didn't even tell his parents. I think we all remember his mother running with the NLI and disappearing on NSD

- Golden and staff "pulling" Denver Kirkland's scholly, only to give it back shortly after. He would've committed to UM had this not happened.

- Matthew Thomas WAS going to choose UM until the mess with Kirkland, which made him not trust this staff, even though it was Kirkland and the school's miscommunication with Golden that caused it.

Now, I'm not making excuses. I've manned up to missing on these picks. A few were homer picks that I just missed on in addition to these few.

I may miss on this one as well, but it's not one of my yearly "homer" picks. I believe he's coming to UM.

Posted by: Ohio_Cane | December 18, 2013 at 01:42 PM
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Last time I'm posting this. Anyone else see what I see? Or am I crazy?

86Cane

As I was driving down the Lane I saw a Cook waiting for the bus.

Terrance Sullivan

Damn good article Soup.

86Cane

TSully...I just wish that everyone else would read it?

86Cane

READ THE ARTICLE AND COMMENT ON IT!

Or die...IJS

coldcane

Nice article Soup...and I do live the paradox...I have accepted where we are and because of that acceptance I don't become physically ill when we lose anymore, I realize that this is not our hayday but I know those days will return...I can't wait until the days are here again where I get physically ill with a U loss....aaaaaaah those were the days!

Terrance Sullivan

Yes Sir ColdCane.

86Cane

Ohio...Talk about the Paradox!

CaneRock

OK, let me try this Stockdale Paradox thingee...CaneRock clicks his heel 3xs, aaaaaaand...aaaaaaand...PHUCK! D'Onofrio is still here.

SOUP, that $hit don't work.

LMAO! I keed, I keeeeeed!

86Cane

Rock...it is not about the D, or the coaches, it is about the Paradox?

Ohio_Cane

86, we need more fans to live by this. We'd have a LOT less bitching.

Terrance Sullivan

I think as it relates to the Paradox the offense is working would like more ground and pound or as I like to call it punch U in the forehead football, the kicking game works well, but obviously the defense needs to be addressed big time either with getting a new coordinator or getting better players and it might be both. I appreciate the young men and their efforts because a lot of those guys could have bailed or never came to Miami in the first place but in general thats our biggest weakness and the bowl game next weekend is huge statement game and how phases play especially on the defensive side.

Terrance Sullivan

The one thing I love about Golden and the players they could have folded the tent and we could of had an Auburn meltdown like 2012 or a Florida meltdown 2013 with all the unknown scenarios and all the negativity that surrounded the program over the last few years. So we will just see how it all plays out but I thought the Golden hire was a good one from the start so I am just letting it unfold in front of our eyes.

CaneRock

SOUP, the SP for me, is this in a nutshell...When I have to drive our family on one of those loooooooong ass road trips...I don't look at the GPS to see how far we have to go...I don't look on the side of the inter-state to see how far the next town/city is...the only thing I wanna see, is the welcome sign for our destination...makes for a shorter trip in my mind.

SOUP

ROCK...I love the analogy!

Ohio and Sully...we gotta get there som way and some how. Lets start NOW!

Terrance Sullivan

Yes Sir Soup. See U next Friday Bruh!

Ohio_Cane

CR, are U hoping for a transfer or what?

Willie Will in Missouri

Last time I'm posting this. Anyone else see what I see? Or am I crazy?

Posted by: Ohio_Cane | December 18, 2013 at 11:08 PM

You DEFINITELY CRAZY!!! Lol

Willie Will in Missouri

@joelklatt: Interesting read...former Sark assistant at UW being investigated by #USC and #UWhttp://t.co/UFCuTXB4S8

Posted by: Go Canes | December 18, 2013 at 10:02 PM

If only we knew who tipped them off??? Lol

Old Skool

Damn we are hitting new depths of psychological insight for a sports blog. The ugly truth is that while Golden embraces the Stockdale paradox, our defense is still subject to the Stockholm syndrome - hostage to a coach who believes softness is strength.

Anthropologists have recently uncovered the source of this soft line of thinking by analyzing the DNA of bone fragments found in a cave in Siberia. The previously unknown species of hominid (neither Neanderthal nor Homo Sapien) called the Dinosovans apparently left no legacy and failed to contribute to the modern day human genome because they failed to acquit themselves in battle. Apparently, their enemies were able to easily run through their defensive lines.
The species was thought to be extinct, however, a modern day anomaly has been found.

Stanadrd Shriver

al has a five year plan to get the house in order then after that, greatness.

The delusions of Cane fandom run deep; especially to those who think this school, being somehow surrounded by "by South Florida talent", makes it immune from neglect, complacency and incompetence.

The ills of the previous decade ran deep and rotted the once Cadillac program to its core. Al had a full speed alhead intensity when he got here, but all that came to a screetching halt when the Yahoo story broke. His body language said it all....deflated, disappointed, angry.

From that point on I think Al Golden dug in, relaxed his goal timeline and after he decided to hang around, went into a five year turn aound plan with greatness to be achieved after the initial 5 yr rebuild that was clearly coming. Al sounds ivery relaxed these days.

CaneRock

CR, are U hoping for a transfer or what?

Posted by: Ohio_Cane | December 19, 2013 at 12:18 AM

Per somebody in the know, He's already here.

CaneRock

Posted by: Stanadrd Shriver | December 19, 2013 at 02:53 AM

I can dig all that.

roachcane77

NICE ONE Old Skool!

Didn't know you were an anthropologist!

LOL

UMike

That makes 2 JUCO and 4 HS Senior DT's.

Think Golden was gonna let last year happen all over again? I think not.

Posted by: Ohio_Cane | December 18, 2013 at 04:30 PM

I think we only have 3 HS Senior DT's

UMike

From CIS & Rivals..

Trevor Darling on rivals

On state championship
-"It's just awesome," "A lot of people can say they helped do it - it was a team effort."
-"I think I did pretty well. I made some big strides from last year."
-"There's not a specific area - I just need to improve everything overall,"
-on being a EE "It's a big thing to come in and get college ready," "I'll be ready to play on the next level (by the summer). I'm very excited to get there."
-In hopes to room with KC "KC is a great guy and I think we'd get along great,"
Now the moment you been waiting for the cook saga
-"I don't know what he's going to do, but there's a chance," "I kind of stay out of it, let him and his family decide on that."
-"That would be a great thing because Dalvin is an awesome player," Darling "Having him on our team would be a great thing."
-on coach Kehoe "I think he's a great coach that is going to push me hard, will get the most out of me," Darling said. "I'm looking forward to that."

UMike

From a poster at CIS...


L.A. TIMES article on Kaaya

Can one player make a difference? The answer is a resounding yes at West Hills Chaminade, where the arrival of quarterback Brad Kaaya in January of 2012 helped elevate a football program to where it is today: playing for a Division II bowl championship on Saturday at StubHub Center in Carson.

Kaaya went to Encino Crespi prepared to lead the Celts to prominence. Then Crespi took in a transfer quarterback from Oaks Christian, and Kaaya decided to look elsewhere after his sophomore season. He has developed into perhaps the No. 1 senior quarterback in Southern California. This season, he has 3,577 yards passing and 25 touchdowns.

But it's his leadership and decision making in games that don't receive as much attention as his touchdown passes. He's cool and tough under pressure. And he can't wait to face Enterprise for a bowl championship.

"It's crazy," he said. "Growing up, I was watching Westlake, Long Beach Poly, Mater Dei. It was always a dream of mind to play in a state championship. I went to Crespi my freshman year saying I want to win a state title in 2013. I'm getting pretty close."


http://www.latimes.com/sports/varsit...#ixzz2nqWTyggP

UMike

From CIS & Rivals...


McCray the "Mid commit"

-on visit "It was a last-minute thing," "It was good, I really liked it."
-best part? "Just interacting with some of the players on the team," "I think they're really great guys."
-will also visit LSU in January. Asked if he's a soft or solid Cane commitment, his response was that he's a "mid" commit
-What does that mean? "It's between solid and soft,"
-friends with Powell, Thomas and Bethel, who all took the visit with him. "I'm really cool with them," McCray said, adding that Powell has now firmed up his UM commitment.
-"I talked to him yesterday - he'll be at Miami,"
- impact can this defensive recruiting class have? "With the team, the class that's coming in, I think that everyone can make an impact," "There are some really talented players and I know they are all ready to play. I believe we can make an impact right away."
-"I got right back to work, working out," "You can't take any time off."
-On coach Paul Williams. "We talk about anything, football, life," "I think he's a real great guy.
-"I have a good connection with all the Miami coaches."
-whats the future of the program? "I see the Hurricanes making a run," "I feel they had a great season. I feel they could have gone all the way, just had a few bumps. When we get it all settled down, as we grow Miami will be one of the top teams."

http://miami.rivals.com/default.asp

canezilla


BUY ALL THE HIGH GROUND CUZ WE SINKING CUZ!

Posted by: 86Cane | December 18, 2013 at 09:09 PM
HAHAHAH

CaneRock

Ohio_Cane, I don't think you're crazy at all.

And here's another FYI...did you know that Cook, and JoJo Robinson, shared the same back-field as youth football players. I mean LITERALLY! shared the same backfield, they were a split-back team. And He also played in the split-back with Yearby at MC.

So this whole notion that He can't split the carries is BOGUS!, He's been doing it since He first put on pads!

And oh yeah, His Coach is UM alum... remember, we had a pretty good relationship with Smith when He was at MNW.

4-Real

CaneRock, what I gathered from the paradox thingee is that people like me, YOU, Ogv, Willie Will, Cocane & Sinister will eventually die of a broken heart whereas everyone else is prepared to endure more years of torture! Lol. Just jokin Soup. Please don't NEURALIZE me sir!! ( Men In Black 2 )

texican cane

I think the staff is all in on the first part but what have they shown as far as confronting the brutal facts of their reality? You cant spell brutal without No'd.

CaneSawMassacre

Paradox is by definition implies a contradiction of sorts.

In context, his indications that he had iternal hope that he would see his wife again, but never necessarily believed he would make it out of the camp is a contradiction in itself.

I hate things, being boiled down like this. Inherently most people would agree being an optimist is more favorable in life then being a pessimist. Yet, most people would also agree that being realist and taking self inventory is an important step in self evaluation.

Yet, how does one optimistically self evaluate one's self and still be completely honest? Or is it cyclical? I self evaluate, break myself down, then become optimistic that I know how to resolve the issue? Continually repeating this cycle over and over.....

FYI SOUP interesting article but you should probably reference about half of the article.. I'm not sure all of those lines are from the book.

CaneRock

CaneRock, what I gathered from the paradox thingee is that people like me, YOU, Ogv, Willie Will, Cocane & Sinister will eventually die of a broken heart whereas everyone else is prepared to endure more years of torture! Lol. Just jokin Soup. Please don't NEURALIZE me sir!! ( Men In Black 2 )

Posted by: 4-Real | December 19, 2013 at 07:27 AM

4-Real, I think they're one in the same. A lot of the optimistic people, were the ones saying that AG was on a 3 year plan...Maybe they're the Christmas,Easter,Thanksgiving, and Christmas again people?

And RCCF must have 10 lives, because that guy thinks we're going undefeated EVERY! year! LMAO!

Ohio_Cane


CR, are U hoping for a transfer or what?

Posted by: Ohio_Cane | December 19, 2013 at 12:18 AM

Per somebody in the know, He's already here.

Posted by: CaneRock | December 19, 2013 at 05:23 AM
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Oh yeah? Hadn't heard that. Fairmont St isn't too far from me. Wife did her undergrad there

CaneRock

Yet, how does one optimistically self evaluate one's self and still be completely honest? Or is it cyclical? I self evaluate, break myself down, then become optimistic that I know how to resolve the issue? Continually repeating this cycle over and over.....

Posted by: CaneSawMassacre | December 19, 2013 at 08:26 AM

"Once we accept our limits, we go beyond them." Albert Einstein


CaneSawMassacre

CR - another excellent contradiction.

Ohio - you have the info on what Canesport is saying about Mr. Ermon Lane?

Ohio_Cane

Poster on CIS:

12/19 update

while Lane's not doing much public speaking, his coach, Larry Coffey, says it's hard to say what might happen with his star player's recruitment entering the final month-plus of recruiting

This is his coach speaking NOT Lane
-"Anything can happen," "I'm going to be as surprised as anybody probably on signing day."
reason why Lane's recruitment is somewhat unpredictable?
- has met with coaches from several schools, including Alabama coaches in mid-December that he set up on his own - typically high school coaches/administrators arrange the in-school visits.UM also visited with Lane at school, going through the coach to set that one up
-"Coach Barrow and coach Coley came -Ermon and coach Barrow are cousins, so they had a nice visit," "But I'm not sure how receptive he was to it."
-Set up visits to Florida and is in the process of setting up a Florida State
-"He's been close-lipped about things," "I don't try to push him, try to provide my kids with parameters and let them and their families make the decision."

CaneSawMassacre

Thanks Ohio...

Interesting, that Barrow is a relative, but we don't have more pull with the kid.

CaneRock

Oh yeah? Hadn't heard that. Fairmont St isn't too far from me. Wife did her undergrad there

Posted by: Ohio_Cane | December 19, 2013 at 08:37 AM


O_C, yeah...this person said something about His HS coach didn't really try to get the His players into College, unless there was something in it for Him. Which begs these questions...

Do some/most of these HS coaches, only shop their kids when the Colleges show interest?

How many kids like this fall through the cracks because of that?

I remember a coach telling me, that even the small schools have prototypes, and they won't deviate AN INCH! from those prototypes. Says He has to practically BEG! these coaches to take a look at a kid who He thinks has potential.

Ohio_Cane

CR, honestly none of that would surprise me.

LB

Dear Lord, are you all still discussing Ermon Lane?

Ohio_Cane

Dear Lord, are you all still discussing Ermon Lane?

Posted by: LB | December 19, 2013 at 09:13 AM
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Considering it looks like he's a package deal with Dalvin Cook, yes. We are.

LB

Who is Dalvin Cook?

Ohio_Cane

Who is Dalvin Cook?

Posted by: LB | December 19, 2013 at 09:16 AM
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One of our next star RB's after Duke leaves?

LB

I still don't get it. Recruiting.

It really doesn't matter until they sign, because they could end up anywhere. Even then, that's no guarantee they'll show up on your team.

The only reason I know of Berrios is because the WVU fans swore to me that he was committing, then they showed me some highlights and him running like a maniac at that place in Oregon.

"Shows me love," "dream school," "package deal," "committed but still open," etc. Too many Keefs, not enough Canes. At least Keef entertained us with his tomfoolery (but he was a defensive tackle, if I recall). Yet it seems counterproductive to follow high schoolers who have yet to sign, practice, or play a down in Cane uniforms.

Understandably, it's the lifeblood of the program and helps forecast. But the offense isn't the issue. UM will continue to have great skill players while Golden is here.

Since we've addressed QB with Olsen, it's defensive line and linebacker.

But getting nuts over a running back or wide receiver doesn't make sense. Am I wrong?

There's a bowl game which could propel this team to 10 wins for the first time since the 2003 season. Given that, I cannot wrap my head around the obsession over unquantifiable possibilities of high school players.

I am not being cold or mean. You all know my verbage enough to know that I've got a descent sense of humor and dislike if any of you are in distress or pain. But I do not understand. At all.

Ohio_Cane

Poster on CIS:


The BEAST KC McDermott

Rivals update 12/19

-KC will be in Orlando along with the family, he won't attend the game "The night of the game is the night I show up at the hotel for the Under Armour game," "I'm not allowed to go to the bowl game - once I arrive at the hotel I'm under the observation and insurance of the Under Armour people.
-"I have to be there by 1 or 2 in the afternoon on that day, and we have a whole presentation with the coaches speaking to us, our first team meetings that night to get to know each other."
-Nick Linder is in the same predicament - he's also attending the Under Armour game with his big brother playing in the bowl game (checked he is on the roster)
- his understanding is that they'll be able to watch the game on TV
-"The way they have it set up is absolutely phenomenal," "They're putting us up in a spectacular hotel for a week. We're practicing at the Wide World of Sports, the second night we're there they're taking us to an Orlando Magic basketball game and we'll be recognized during that game. The night after that they're taking us to Hollywood Studios, are shutting down the entire studios just for the Under Armour game for five or six hours
-"And they have a player's lounge in the hotel, and when Shane was there they had PlayStations and Xbox's hooked up, eight or nine of them, plasma TV's everywhere showing every bowl game going on."

* Is Miami-Louisville a big deal for recruiting?
-"Bowl games in general help out tremendously in recruiting," "It shows the team was successful on the year. The more prestige of the bowl the better it is. Definitely for Miami being in its first bowl game in a few years tremendously helps out recruiting. Definitely if we win it'll be even better because it shows Miami is still better than Louisville since Louisville has been recruiting heavily in South Florida
"Showing we can beat Louisville and beat them with kids that stayed home shows something."

*UM 2014 class
-"It's phenomenal. It definitely helps not only for the future of the team, but it helps for the future and also the future of recruiting. It shows the younger kids, a lot of these kids that live here, stay at home, make it a hometown thing, so why go anywhere else?"

*thoughts on Johnnie Dixon decision?
-"I told him `I still have three weeks to change your mind,'" "I know he wants to go to Miami, and I'm still working on it. If we beat Louisville badly I think that will help him change his mind. I keep preaching to Johnnie that your mom has to pay for a plane ticket to go see you
"And I told him three players went from Dwyer to Florida when Urban Meyer was there, and within the first two years two of them transferred out." (Very smart kid, probably why he told Urb to F off)

*He has also joined the "Get dalvin to UM" Party
-"I think Cook definitely will change his mind - he's got his brotherhood at Miami Central going to Miami," "I think there's no way he leaves."

* Shane McDermott also played in the Under Armour game, and KC said his understanding is it's the first time brothers have played in the game

http://miami.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1589025

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/fo...ruiting/honors

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U HAVE to love KC. What a kid. Smart too.

Oh, and he hates Urban Meyer as much as I do, it seems.

LB

"Yet, how does one optimistically self evaluate one's self and still be completely honest? Or is it cyclical? I self evaluate, break myself down, then become optimistic that I know how to resolve the issue? Continually repeating this cycle over and over....."

That I get. But the offense is really good. Numerous times offenses have to adjust to new coordinators and often are less productive. That was not the case when UM transitioned from Fisch to Coley. Even the easier defenses that Coley got just as much out of his offenses as Fisch did, even more so as Carroll took the WR's.

Special teams are cookies and exciting to watch.

And most importantly, wins are ticking up.

#TenWinsNow

LB

"Oh, and he hates Urban Meyer as much as I do, it seems."

Urban Meyer is a strange cat. He's productive, getting the best out of ruffians while still avoiding the heavy hand of the NCAA. Tebow, Hernandez, a partridge and a pear tree.

I almost laughed when Ohio State tried to get righteous: going from a slightly off-centered coach in Tressel to Urban Meyer. Dude's so shady he should wear a handlebar moustache.

Ohio_Cane

LB,

I hear U. And I agree that 10 wins is more important than recruiting at this point. But what is left to say about the game that hasn't already been said?

We're gonna get scored on, a lot. We're gonna score a lot as well. It will be a nice pro day for Teddy B. D'No sucks, but it's Golden's D, so he should be fired too. Thank goodness Morris is leaving. Man, we miss Duke. The future is bright. Etc.

Those are the things I've read on here about this very important game that could propel us to 10 wins for the first time in a decade.

That said, recruiting is the life-blood of every school. The future. Not everyone enjoys following it or hearing about it, but it's extremely important.

Why a RB instead of DL or LB? Mainly because we're pretty much done at DL. Only maybe a JUCO LB to add. Also, though, because Cook is damn close to as good as Duke was when he was a Senior. He actually has a higher ceiling as well because of his size. He's a program changer, just like Golden told him. Even though it's not a huge position of need, guys like him are few and far between, and U get every one of them U can.

JMO

CaneRock

Too many Keefs, not enough Canes.

Posted by: LB | December 19, 2013 at 09:30 AM

I LIKE THAT! LB, I LIKE THAT! A CaneSpace QUOTABLE!

Hell, even some reporters are getting tired of these recruiting questions. Beginning at :30 of this video, you'll hear a "reporter" ask CJ Worton about His visits...CJ Worton answers...then listen to how exasperated the next reporter sounds:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=MHhJ_OBG7Dg#t=30

Go Canes

@_MoneyLane: Dalvin Cook my main man...... .. College ball together

LB

Canespace Rule #9: No Keefin'.

4-Real

^^^ FSU ^^^

CGNC

Good article. I apply that to life as well.

UMike

It wouldn't surprise me 1 bit if Cook and Lane still end up at Florida.

Ohio_Cane

@_MoneyLane: Dalvin Cook my main man...... .. College ball together

Posted by: Go Canes | December 19, 2013 at 10:03 AM
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Exactly. Package deal.

Ohio_Cane

It wouldn't surprise me 1 bit if Cook and Lane still end up at Florida.

Posted by: UMike | December 19, 2013 at 10:10 AM
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I wouldn't be surprised with any pick of UF, UM, or FSU, honestly. I can make a case for each school.

CGNC

off topic - but hey-oh-Ohio - how about those baby Pens stepping up in the big league

UMike

Someone on CIS was saying the current talk in Texas is that they will come after Jimbo hard. If that happens it could effect FSU, but who knows.

Ohio_Cane

off topic - but hey-oh-Ohio - how about those baby Pens stepping up in the big league

Posted by: CGNC | December 19, 2013 at 10:13 AM
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Right? They're needed too! Good thing our AHL team is awesome.

CaneRock

It wouldn't surprise me 1 bit if Cook and Lane still end up at Florida.

Posted by: UMike | December 19, 2013 at 10:10 AM

Of course you do, UMike, of course you do.

And daaaaaaamn UMike, just a couple of weeks ago, you was all "Cook to FSU" this, "Cook to FSU" that...what happened big dawg...what happened?

UMike

CR.. all the signs were pointing to FSU, and that still may be the case.. I was just saying with the craziness that is recruiting I wouldnt be surprised if they still end up in Florida... I didnt say I think they are. IMO, Cook is still going to FSU... unless Jimbo leaves.

Ohio_Cane

IMO, Cook is still going to FSU... unless Jimbo leaves.

Posted by: UMike | December 19, 2013 at 10:36 AM
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Not possible to matter.

If Jimbo is hired by Texas, it won't be until after the Nat'l Championship game. Dalvin will already be signed by then, if that's the case.

CaneRock

CR.. all the signs were pointing to FSU, and that still may be the case.. I was just saying with the craziness that is recruiting I wouldnt be surprised if they still end up in Florida... I didnt say I think they are. IMO, Cook is still going to FSU... unless Jimbo leaves.

Posted by: UMike | December 19, 2013 at 10:36 AM

YOU! SEC/FSU luva YOU! LMAO!
Maaaaaaaan, you got that kid going everywhere, but where He's AT!...MIAMI!

Ohio_Cane

UMike, read what I wrote on Dalvin. Tell me what U think.

Terrance Sullivan

Let me ask U all a question lets say that Auburn and FSU quarterback was hobbled for at least half the season their leading wide reciever from a year ago and deep threat missed half the season, and the best running back and best player missed 1/3 of the season. What would their record be. I mean U can add Alabama, to the mix, Duke, VT, etc so on and so forth. Clemson, Ohio State, all the top teams if their 3 most dynamic players were either hurt for significant time what would their records be.

UMike

CR..where have I SAID he is going? FSU.. thats it... Im not saying UF or Miami..I am saying FSU. Just remember I said Berrios to Miami, Hester to Miami, Moten to Miami, Gibbons to Miami etc etc etc...you never mention those kids lol

UMike

TSully... We didnt lose those 3 games because we lost Duke and PD4.. we lost because our D... imo

UMike

Those other teams (not OSU), but FSU, Bama etc had good enough defenses to not lose to mediocre teams

Go Canes

Wow. How long has it been since the Gators faced a real non conference team outside of Florida?

Has to be 15-20 years or more.

Joe Schad‏@schadjoe21m
Florida announces it will open the 2017 season against Michigan at AT&T Stadium in Arlington, Texas.

Ohio_Cane

That makes 2 JUCO and 4 HS Senior DT's.

Think Golden was gonna let last year happen all over again? I think not.

Posted by: Ohio_Cane | December 18, 2013 at 04:30 PM

I think we only have 3 HS Senior DT's

Posted by: UMike | December 19, 2013 at 06:15 AM
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Moten, Jenkins, Valentine. U right. My bad.

UMike

Ohio..I thought maybe I was missing someone.

Go Canes

This explains it all:

David Jones‏@DaveJonesUFbeat2m
Key element for #Gators fans to keep in mind, $6 million will NOT be shared with rest of SEC from Cowboys Classic. Not a bowl, keep profits.

30CINCO

TSully... We didnt lose those 3 games because we lost Duke and PD4.. we lost because our D... imo

Posted by: UMike | December 19, 2013 at 10:48 AM
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While I agree that the defense was not good enough in those games, I would also argue that losing Duke and PD4 hurt our defense as well. With those 2 on the field, it means more explosive plays, more first downs, more points, all of which help the defense.

UMike

30... I can agree with that. But especially against VT our D was especially horrible and we couldnt stop them. We might have scored more, but we couldnt stop them from scoring neither lol... my point was that those other teams have a good enough D to beat those particular teams (not FSU)

30CINCO

Posted by: UMike | December 19, 2013 at 11:31 AM
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I'm with you, VT game was a tough one to watch.

Ohio_Cane

It's discounted WAY too often how much our offense and special teams hurt our defense vs VT. How many turnovers in our own half of the field? 3? One at our 6 yard line or something?

Sure, the defense wasn't good. We all know that. But with no offensive or ST turnovers, we beat VT. By 10+

UpNorthCane

We can all agree that all though our defense gave up ridiculous amount of points and yards,our offense shares the blame also, for the ridiculous amount of 3 and outs throughout both games. I understand VT has a good defense but no way in hell should we be going 3 and out so many times with the athletes we have.

If there was one thing that pissed me off all year long was the amount of 3 and outs our offense had.

Go Canes

Ohio the Duke loss was squarely on the shoulders of our defense. The Virginia Tech game was a total team collapse.

And may I ask what a 12%er is?

I guess I am one but not sure what that means.

Ohio_Cane

I'm only guessing here, but I bet our average of 3 and out doubled once Duke was injured

Go Canes

Tim Reynolds‏@ByTimReynolds44m
Great decision by Gators to open with Michigan in 2017. Awesome venue in Texas, national opponent, can't lose to Miami ...

Go Canes

Ohio the Virginia game was ridiculous.

People want to rant and rave about yards we gave up to them but when the other team has the ball 20 times in a game what do you expect.

Ohio_Cane

And may I ask what a 12%er is?

I guess I am one but not sure what that means.

Posted by: Go Canes | December 19, 2013 at 12:01 PM
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That would mean that you're part of the small 12% of fans that, no matter what, believe we will be undefeated, national champs, champs of the world, masters of our domain, etc. There is no breaking U from this belief.

Lol

4-Real

UpNorth gets it!!!

4-Real

Go Canes, u are definitely a 12%er, but ain't nuthin wrong with that.

Ohio_Cane

Tyler Odems coming to UM as a Preferred Walk-On. Like this kid, and think he'll contribute. He'll be at the school in a couple weeks.

Here's his JUCO film: http://www.hudl.com/athlete/o/2594185/tyler-odems

Ohio_Cane

We are about to pull LB Antonio Kinard from JUCO. (Remember him?) He was originally a Michigan commit for the 2010 class. Had to go prep and then JUCO.

Has 3 years to play 3.


http://www.hudl.com/athlete/1276218/...375?autoplay=1

jsy

The defensive job is to help a struggling defense by creating 3 and outs creating field position. Making negative plays to get the team morale up. Over the last three years the offense has bailed out the defense much more than the defense bailing out the offense. Remember the Brock Berlin days when the wilfork, Taylor lead defenses kept the opposing offenses to 3 and out and kept the team in games and kept getting the ball back for the offense. Even the rolle led defenses did that for the anemic offenses they had. This defense rarely bails out the offense. This puts extra stress on the offense bc they have the pressure of having to score every drive and if this offense turns the ball over anywhere near midfield you know the other teams going to score. Each of those fumbles during the vt game, if we had a defense to hold them to even just field goals bc we all know that's the best to expect from this bend but not break dno scheme the game could have been different. Those fumbles were not scoop and score or happened in the red zone. Vt marched right down the field with almost no resistance. Just imagine if we had just an average defense just average how much better our season would have been. I never once felt that even hoping for just an average defense would be met with so much vitriol from fans and excuses from fans and coaches. I'm not asking for even good just average.

30CINCO

Posted by: jsy | December 19, 2013 at 12:54 PM
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Remember that game against the gator when the defense had 5 TO's, barely any yards, tons of 3 and outs, stops on the redzone....

30CINCO

By barely any yards and tons of 3 and outs, I mean our O. Their D held us in check for big chunks of that game

CaneRock

We are about to pull LB Antonio Kinard from JUCO. (Remember him?) He was originally a Michigan commit for the 2010 class. Had to go prep and then JUCO.

Has 3 years to play 3.

Posted by: Ohio_Cane | December 19, 2013 at 12:48 PM

NICE! I liked Him coming outta HS...WELCOME TO THE U!...AGAIN!

j.w.


I'm only guessing here, but I bet our average of 3 and out doubled once Duke was injured

Posted by: Ohio_Cane | December 19, 2013 at 12:01 PM
My guess is that it trippled, until the Pitt game.

Ohio_Cane

NICE! I liked Him coming outta HS...WELCOME TO THE U!...AGAIN!

Posted by: CaneRock | December 19, 2013 at 01:05 PM
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Not yet, but he's deciding soon, and it's looking good. Golden scouring the earth for JUCO talent

jsy

That's why I said the offense did it more than the defense not that the defense never did its just been too one sides since dno was here and even with the turnovers driskel still had a career day. That game is exactly what I'm talking about uf was marching up and down but turning the ball over but their defense kept them in the game by shutting us down. Uf turned the ball over freaking 5 times and we still barely won bc they still were marching all over the field. Imagine if our offense had 5 tos, do you honestly think dno could keep us in the game? Vt was a prime example of what happens when we lose the to battle to a decent opt. instead of keeping this team in the game by getting the ball back, dno allows them to go right down the field getting beat thw exact same simple croasing patterns and passes in the flat. its not like he gets beat by a complex inmovative scheme, its the most basic of plays he cant stop. When was the last time dno ever shut down a quality opponent? His idea of shutting down a team is allowing 400 not 500 yds.

jsy

I don't want to talk about dno anymore bc his blame the players and never himself is the worst way to be a leader of men and rally the troops, and I really envy ppl like you go cane the eternal optimist what always sees things with orang and green shades glasses but I just want to see an average defense. There was enough talent to be a average not bottom dwelling two years running. Maybe it's growing up in nyc I grew up being more critical bc the nyc fans are the most cynical critical crowd you'll ever find. U should hear the stuff about bench Eli start nassib draft a qb

Ohio_Cane

Here is more info on Antonio Kinard and his eligibility from a poster on CIS:

Here is his tenure

2010 HS Senior (Liberty High School in Youngstown, Ohio) [2010 Class committed to Michigan] *5 to play 4*
2011 Hargrave (Va.) Military Academy [2011 Class committed to Miami] *5 to play 4*
2012 Arizona Western JUCO [No idea if he registered any stats or playing time or redshirtted]
2013 Arizona Western JUCO [Registered Playing time, see below]

So if he played in 2012, he has 3 years to play 2.

If he didn't play in 2012, he has 3 years to play 3.

http://www.accac.org/sports/fball/20...oniokinardgzcl

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