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February 06, 2014

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SOUP

Swiss Cheese

herbieibis

Third just like we were in the state, again!

The Dude

Herb,

3rd comes right before 1st 'round here. At least I think so after watching our defense last year.

Of course if your the offense... I'm the punting unit, 4th, lol.

j.w.

5! One way to avoid the signing day drama is to work all day, then follow it up with a softball lesson, soccer game, and an NBA game

IraqiCane

Chad Thomas!!!

Stanadrd Shriver

Ive had so much fun watching such an awful basketball team on the offensive side. Larranaga is absolutely coaching his ass off putting these kids in opportunity after opportunity to win.....they just cant make a damed shot when it matters.

In spite of the futility and frustration surrounding this years team.....these kids leave it on the floor by games end. Really proud of this group, in spite of the record.

Stanadrd Shriver

Ive never had so much fun watching such an awful basketball team on the offensive side. Larranaga is absolutely coaching his ass off putting these kids in opportunity after opportunity to win.....they just cant make a damed shot when it matters.

In spite of the futility and frustration surrounding this years team.....these kids leave it on the floor by games end. Really proud of this group, in spite of the record.

canezilla


I say build a giant platform atop Hecht and put the stadium atop it there. Or turn the lake into a retractable pool and have the stadium rise out of it as called for.

Posted by: TonyCane | February 06, 2014 at 12:09 AM
U HAVE TO PICK ONE!! LET ME KNOW ILL START THE PLANS

Go Canes

Tropical Park is our only legit chance of ever being close to home.

Lurker

What about building a stadium a mile below the university itself in an underground bunker? Or what if we built a stadium in the sky that is held up by a series of blimps and helicopters? CaneRock suggested a converted battleship. How about a volcano stadium? We could sacrafice opponents after the game to the angry volcano god.

Posted by: The Dude | February 06, 2014 at 12:27 AM

Exactly.

Those are all more likely.

Stadium talk is crazy talk.

Lurker


But IF they do something like this then maybe:

Tropical Park (oft discussed and available).

MDCC South Campus (land is avaliable and could be converted).

Open land west of Turnpike near Sun Life.

Posted by: SOUP | February 05, 2014 at 11:30 PM

Those locations are all better than the port, being as is the port location is an impossibility. The truth is though, there is no money, nor will there ever be, to build a decent stadium for 6-7 games a year. People need to understand what Miami is. A tiny academic school, in a beautiful location, with a major football program. We compete with moneyed titans like Alabama, and state schools with state funding and 50-100,000 undergrads.

Notre a Dame just got $400 million for stadium renovations. We are begging for $7 million for practice facilities and still haven't gotten it. A decent stadium for Miami football in Miami might cost as much as ND renovations or close to it. Where's the money coming from.

How about we sell recruits on the idea of playing in an NFL stadium where they would play as a pro one day. Where national championships have been won. Where Super Bowls have been won.

4-Real

How bout we take the WAIT & SEE approach regarding a stadium b4 we adopt the NEVER GONNA HAPPEN mentality?

Lurker

You're right. Never going to happen in our lifetimes, maybe 50 years from now, or unless some billionaire becomes a rabid canes fan. Good point.

UMike

Doesnt Miami have like 25 years left on their lease?

Lurker

You can break a lease fit the right amount of money. It's the actual cost of the stadium that will prevent it EVER being built unless we find a billionaire sugar daddy, like at Okie State willing to put up close to half a billion.

Why not just celebrate that we play in an NFL, Super Bowl, and BCS National Champ stadium?

UMike

I guess I dont really care one way or the other. If the people dont come, it dont matter where we play.

SOUP

Homestead

SinisterCane

Good morning Spacers

LB

"1. LACK OF DEPTH AT RUNNING BACK!!!! Wow, how the hell can this happen? You need more than 4 freaking running backs. Unacceptable. If we get injuries, which probably will occur because of our lack of size, we may have to go 5 wide all year.

NEGATIVE: CORN ELDER + ONE RB TBA IS COMING."

Wait, what? Are you telling me that Corn Elder is going to play RB?

Don't joke with me.

UMike

When Duke went down our running game and offense grinded to a halt... lets hope Duke and/or Yearby can stay healthy

pbcfrcane13

What UM needs to do is team up with the MLS team and help them build a stadium and play soccer and canes football out of it. Imagine canes football games on the port walking to bayside pre and post game 40k with being able to add an extra 10-20k. Let's do this

Go Canes

Recruiting never sleeps:

Leeward Brown ‏@leeboe71
Got University Of Miami Offer #Canes

Go Canes

I dont think the stadium on campus is a money issue as much as it is a Coral Gables will never allow it issue.

Endowments, financing and other avenues are available to build a stadium, but the Gables will never allow a 40,000 seat monstrosity to be built on campus.

UMike

If Miami can manage to win some games this year (8-10), with no blow outs... and the D improves, 2015 should be an even better class than 2014.

Go Canes

Interesting view from Caneinsight. Agree with some of it (made error with Treon big time in my opinion), don't agree with other parts of it.

The part I dislike about it is saying we made "mistakes" in not getting kids like Rudolph, Michel and Valentine. Two of the three were committed here then left, the other never gave us a shot. But all three were recruited early and hard.

I also don't like the whole we should have taken this kid over that kid talk. We don't know everything that happens or why coaches evaluate one guy over another.

Finally, I definitely agree A LOT of money is changing hands. The NCAA can't get out of it's own way, has no authority or staff to enforce and is petrified to go after the big boys.

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My thoughts on the class (long)

There are two schools of thought with this recruiting class.

One group is disappointed because they know what this class could have been. These fans have lost faith in the staff’s ability to coach, so they believe we need superstar classes to compete with the big boys.

The second group is happy about the kids we actually signed and doesn’t worry about the misses. These fans have full faith in Golden and believe it’s only a matter of time before Miami is back on top.

The truth, as always, is somewhere in the middle.

It’s impossible to ignore the mistakes that kept us from capitalizing on South Florida’s bumper crop. We lost head-to-head battles for Valentine, Sony, Cook, Dixon and Rudolph. Everybody has heard the money rumors, and there may be some truth there. But more often than not, these rumors come from highly competitive coaches who can’t admit defeat. We got beat on these guys.

We’re still stubborn on size. I thought we were done with this crap when Golden came in and offered Dallas Crawford. But this year, we turned down Juwon Dowels and Isaiah McKenzie simply because they were too small. That’s disappointing.

Brandon Powell’s defection was a total screw up. No other way to put it.

We were clumsy in our QB recruiting after Kaaya. Before the season, I advocated offering Kaaya, Treon Harris and Winky Flowers. We ended up doing exactly that, except we waited too long to offer Treon and offered a similar out-of-state player (Rosier) instead of Winky. If we followed the right blueprint, we could’ve signed two of the best athletes in Miami.

We offered Ryan Mayes instead of taking a similar player (Quincy Wilson) with Canes blood and extensive connections to the local football community. Wilson is by no means a perfect prospect, but this move revealed two flaws in our approach: an inability to think big-picture and an overemphasis on the Golden Camp. We make too many decisions based on workouts in shirts and shorts.

Finally, the defensive scheme is the new “cloud.” High school coaches are talking about it and college coaches are using it against us. If the results don’t change, this will do even more damage than the NCAA ever could.

But even with all of these issues, I feel the same way that Coach Golden felt in his NSD press conference: confident and comfortable.

The word to describe this class is “healthy.” There is balance across the board. The two most important positions in football—quarterback and defensive line—are the strongest positions in the class. Kaaya is our biggest coup in years. We’ve accumulated a stable of talented and hungry pass-rushers. The offensive line is in terrific shape. Kiy Hester will provide safety depth right away, and Berrios will emerge as a Shockey-type fan favorite.

If Golden is the man for the job, he has enough to win with. If he’s not, the next guy will have a balanced roster without the gaping holes that Coker and Shannon left behind.

More than anything, I just love seeing kids like Demetrius Jackson and Trayon Gray shed tears for the colors. I don’t care if it’s corny. Last year was the roughest NSD in ages, but we will always remember Stacy Coley putting on the Swag hat. These guys will represent the Canes for the next few years and maybe the next decade in the pros. Forget about the coaches. That’s what this day is about.

Welcome to Miami, fellas. Let’s go get number six.

UMike

Go Canes... I kinda just skimmed through that, but I do think we made a "mistake" with Rudoplph, not because we lost him, but the way we lost him. We were trying to recruit him as a DB, not a WR which is why he decommitted. Of course we "cleared it up" after the fact, but it was to late. Guess what, he would of been the best WR in our class. He is now a 5-Star WR and #1 WR according to Rivals. So, that was a mistake.

I do not agree on Wilson, kid just seems like a bad seed an didnt want to listen to reason, but I do agree with offering some kids based on the bigger picture and how it effects other things.

30CINCO

Posted by: UMike | February 06, 2014 at 09:19 AM
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Did he commit as a WR or DB? If at WR, did we attempt to change it after?

Lurker

Go Canes - a campus on stadium is not even up for debate. Only clueless idiots or really ignorant people think it's an impossibility.

Also: What UM needs to do is team up with the MLS team and help them build a stadium and play soccer and canes football out of it. Imagine canes football games on the port walking to bayside pre and post game 40k with being able to add an extra 10-20k. Let's do this

Posted by: pbcfrcane13 | February 06, 2014 at 08:40 AM

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Really smart people say really not so smart things sometimes. It will be more likely for you to visit a unicorn farm on that site than to see the canes play there. Also, a university "teaming up" with the MSL, I almost spit my coffee out.

I don't know what it is about this stadium issue that makes people go soft in the head.

It's Sun Life today, tomorrow and 20 years from now. Get used to it.

Lurker

I got my statement all twisted Go Canes, here's what I meant to say

Go Canes - a stadium on campus is not even up for debate. Only clueless idiots or really ignorant people think it's a possibility.

UMike

30... to be honest IDK. I want to think he committed as a WR since that is what he was listed as. Somewhere along the lines the staff wanted him at DB and he left.

UMike

And even if he did commit as a DB (and im not saying he did), but IF he did... whenever he said he wanted to play WR, they should of listened, either way the staff dropped the ball in this particular instance.

Ohio_Cane

We spelled his name wrong on his name tag and he was pissed lol

UMike

lol Ohio

UMike

The staff obviously recognized his talent early on, and I praise them for that, but somewhere along the line (maybe depth reasons) they stumbled on this one.

Go Canes

Maybe the kid started getting heavy interest from all over and just decommitted.

Happens every day.

Don't know if it was handled wrong or the kid just took off.

UpNorthCane

Who is this Rudolph we all speak of? tell you what guy I know about and that's the Cubano berrios!!! that boy will be moving our chains and improving our 3rd down deficiencies!!!

Breakout player next year.....MALCOM LEWIS!!!

Terrance Sullivan

UMike Our lease with Sun Life runs through 2033.

30CINCO

I agree, Berrios will help a ton

Terrance Sullivan

Great article Soup and loving the talent shots U took.

UMike

Maybe the kid started getting heavy interest from all over and just decommitted.

Happens every day.

Don't know if it was handled wrong or the kid just took off.

Posted by: Go Canes | February 06, 2014 at 10:01 AM

How did I know you were gonna have something to say lol.. look I know what I know, and I know it wasnt because of "heavy interest"... He left LONG before he blew up, and the situation was widely reported. But hey, as Goldens PR man, good job lol

UMike

"I decommitted from Miami because there was trust issues," Rudolph said at the Miami NFTC on Sunday. "I felt like they were recruiting me inconsistently. I want to play wide receiver and I told them that, but they were doing that lying process where they would tell me one thing but it's really another.

"[Al] Golden was telling me he wanted me to play cornerback, but when he heard I wanted to play wide receiver he's telling me that, 'Oh, you're going to be the next Andre Johnson' and stuff. There were just some inconsistencies with the way they were recruiting me."

UMike

^^ But you're right,.. we dont know if it was handled wrong

UMike

I can see it now... Go Canes desperately searching for another angle that makes the staff right lol

CaneRock

Seeing that Yearby almost left, just proved that this was a good, but FRAGILE class. Ditto with Thomas, if He left, that would've been TRAGIC!

30CINCO

BUT, they didn't.

UMike

I think the Powell situation was fishy, but not on the staffs part. I mean, how in the hell does a kid get an offer and commit and enroll in he dead period, all a day or two after he was set to enroll at Miami lol.. and Powell as ALL Miami, no signs of wavering.

30CINCO

Gotta feed his family

UMike

yea, Florida must have a better "meal package" lol

CaneRock

UMike, according to Powell's HS coach, UF was His "dream school". When He got that UF offer, He hauled ass LMAO!

UMike

They became his "dream school" after the fact lol

UMike

Someone had to put a feeler out, there had to be a go between to know to get that offer there right then, just magically when there is a delay with his enrollment at Miami and during he dead period.

LB

Can someone confirm that Elder is going to tailback? Soup? Ohio?

UMike

LB... that was never a legit story lol.. Elder is a DB and will probably stay a DB unless we have injury issues.

CaneRock

UMike, the staff wanting Powell to play DB, didn't help either. I think He had the same thought process as Rudolph LMAO!

Lurker

Bull Gator with a stuffed brown paper bag was in Pompano. That's how it's been working for decades with UF. Loyal alumni that keep their mouths shut (mostly) and do their thing independently, not telling the coaches or athletic director, but knowing who the targets are. If anything ever comes up, the coaches or the school don't know a thing about it, and they really don't know specifically, although they're not idiots. The gator network is pretty extensive.

Cash distributed this way is untraceable.

This is how it's done.

Terrance Sullivan

Oh God Shoot me if we got to hear this lame ass why come we dont get every south florida recruit, bitching about the Stadium situation, These topics are more tired than a 60 year old woman of the night on the stroll. Come on Man!

VA Cane

One thing to remember UM has tough standards not so much UF and FSU....from what I hear....and from some comments made by people in the know, and hearing the communication skills of some of their players when asked questions might make one wonder could they get into the U? FSU has done miracles getting guys in....some could not read....does someone who cannot read deserve a scholarship free ride to play football for a couple years.....or should some going into a real field or job be kept out because of the ability of their staff to get someone in?. College is not an entitlement for everyone....probably too many people going now....you earn that right. I love this game, but lets face it.....other than the NFL and coaching, FB skills are not a requirement for life....reading writing speaking interaction with other humans are necessary skills...so I kind of think a lot of people might not be able meet UM admissions standards....and I think an athlete should not be allowed to ever have easier requirements....if you cannot do it you do not get in...fair.

UMike

CR, I never heard of the staff wanting Powell to play DB, but with his build IDK. I have always read and heard the staff wanted 2-3 RB's in this class, so I would assume Powell would at least start at RB. If that was an issue, Powell would of left a lot earlier than he did imo

Terrance Sullivan

When does spring practice starts? Anyone knows. My guess is that we will sign one more offensive lineman to make up for the defection if Reilly Gibbons? How many out of this class U think will redshirt?

VA Cane

and while I know some kids do not have access to good schools....City of Petersburg, City of Richmond where I live are prime examples of under achieving schools....that does not mean they deserve a chance at college. They will not make it if they are reading on a 3rd grade level at 18...too far behind. That is a parent teacher administration student problem....and we have too much of it. We do need to get schools doing a much better job. Too much tenure too much union too much laziness in teachers....they need to be rated on their performance they need to work to help the kids....and the kids have to respond. I was lucky small city of 8,000 great facilities, great community great schools....much higher scores than where I live now....and the county schools here are pretty good. I hate seeing bad schools especially in inner cities.....it is not right and it does not prepare a lot of kids for higher learning and life in general. I just do not agree with lower standards for athletes they need to meet the same criteria....same for all. JMO

UpNorthCane

TV is the prime example of a recruit being full of ish..

he stated LSU was the best business decision for him and his family. ok that's fine but he said the same shit when he first committed to Miami, so people can say it was the scheme or it was this and that point blank period the scheme and our defense has been terrible for 2 years so he knew that already....

Recruits are liars just like the coaches who recruit them are liars.

pbcfrcane13

lurker settle down. all I was saying was UM should consider teaming up with MLS group. UM will never have the money to build their own stadium nor the on campus site. Teaming up with the MLS group would save them money and put them in a stadium that would attract everybody if it's on the port. Add to that a small stadium would give UM that ob feel again. Again never said it would happen said that's what they shOuld try and look into.

dj moonbat

Loyal alumni that keep their mouths shut (mostly) and do their thing independently, not telling the coaches or athletic director, but knowing who the targets are. If anything ever comes up, the coaches or the school don't know a thing about it, and they really don't know specifically, although they're not idiots. The gator network is pretty extensive.

Cash distributed this way is untraceable.

This is how it's done.

Posted by: Lurker | February 06, 2014 at 10:43 AM


There's a giant hole in this scheme, although I'm sure it does work sometimes.

If you give a kid a bunch of stuff, how do you ensure that he STAYS bought? What are you going to do if he takes the money and DOESN"T sign with your alma mater? Complain to the NCAA? To the cops?

UpNorthCane

PBC... im one of the few who probably agrees with what your saying about getting in on that stadium. The only issue is will there be space for tailgating, will there be space to have a blast like people usually have when they go to SUN life. As long as the field is natural grass and not synthetic crap im with it.

Lurker


Posted by: Terrance Sullivan | February 06, 2014 at 10:48 AM

Dead on.

UMike

When does spring practice starts? Anyone knows. My guess is that we will sign one more offensive lineman to make up for the defection if Reilly Gibbons? How many out of this class U think will redshirt?

Posted by: Terrance Sullivan | February 06, 2014 at 10:55 AM

I think 1-2 more players will be added. Golden is good as this.

Go Canes

Really cool front page of the Miami Hurricane.

Christy C. Chirinos‏@ChristyChirinos·7 mins
If you're on campus...MT @sdandes: Grab a copy of todays @MiamiHurricane. Its awesome...Full recruiting coverage
pic.twitter.com/RhN2oXwddj

VA Cane


Some people may know a kid or someone who knows him, but by in large I guess we will never really know on most of these kids. I know a lot from Richmond area, but really only know kids that played with me....as I know their family and try to help in some way. I do not try to sway kids...if anyone asks me do I know something....I say no....even if I do know something. Better that way...it pisses some people off, cause they think I might know...but ultimately its a kids and parent thing I stay out of....I just advise to pick several that are good schools and look at the =/- and decide what is best for you and your parents.

Terrance Sullivan

Okay UMike I can see that and agree AG is good on post signing day recruits to become signees.

Terrance Sullivan

BTW for those of U that maybe coming to Atlanta for the Miami vs. GT game on October 4th. UMike we gonna tailgate in the same spot we did in 2012 my dude. I will be saying at the Melia hotel right there in the heart of the action. Hopefully we can get a Fall CaneSpace Bash for us all and we meet up for the FSU game in Sun Life on November 15th. Hope UpNorth, UMike, KYCane, Old Skool, Native Cane, LongTime, Roachcane CaneZilla, OGV, Soup, Myself, Kenny, and anyone I forgot come and hang with us that weekend at the Hampton, Duffy's and a few other activities to come.

CaneSawMassacre

Hey Ohio what did you think of the Q&A Chad Wilson was doing on your boy Pete's site?

UpNorthCane

Im starting to think that umike and GoCanes are brothers man... Yall get into it like siblings lmaoo.

VA Cane

While I think that you still pursue a kid if he decoms.....still keep with him....if he does not come I do not care and am not angry. I do know this; as a coach I can only coach the kids I DO have and DO get; one would think that the proper approach is to coach the damn fundamentals, further develop their obvious talents and put them in dynamic schemes that enable them to compete....and win. I find it redundant to worry about who is not coming and why; does not matter in regards to the big pic.....develop and coach what you know you have. I always thought of myself as more Vince Lombardi and less Walt Disney....reality conquers fantasy!!!! JMO

KYcane

BTW for those of U that maybe coming to Atlanta for the Miami vs. GT game on October 4th.

Posted by: Terrance Sullivan | February 06, 2014 at 11:24 AM

As luck would have it a guy I've worked with for 12 years is relocating to Atlanta the first of March. Already starting to make plans. We will talk more at the 4-play.

UpNorthCane

Tsully for sure ill be down in November for the game with a few more Rhode Islanders. were also going to try and make an away game and if possible will try and make it to that GTECH game.

UpNorthCane

More than likely it will be the Vtech game we make since it's closer than Georgia for us.

VA Cane

I think the people we have and got are good....and I do think things will get better...we may not have a 12-0 bunch yet, but we do have enough good players to win....not a NC yet, but certainly compete for the division and conference. What really matters now is the development. Yes I am a broken record....but I have coached 36 years...you got to KEEP developing fundamentally sound kids....its not like you step up to college level and fundamentals are out the door....now they count more than ever. If you cannot block tackle think possess and take away the ball.....you will not win. I can teach all the complex schemes in the world...but if I am not sound in the basics the ship sinks. Keep teaching the basics, cause a lot of guys do not have it. No FSU fan at all....but they looked very sound fundamental....Bama...usually very strong at them....looked bad last 2 games....real bad got whipped....no fundamentals. Got to have them...and you got to get real in your 3 approaches O D ST.....dynamic attack schemes that let your fundamentally sound kids use their extraordinary talents to win against all opponents. Then you win big....and you got that carrot like Saban...even with their "down" year....to say look at the titles son, we are in the fight every year....really good players want that....we keep building coaching pushing improving...we can get there too. Got to make those changes that are not so hard to do....take that first step...JMO

CaneRock

CR, I never heard of the staff wanting Powell to play DB, but with his build IDK. I have always read and heard the staff wanted 2-3 RB's in this class, so I would assume Powell would at least start at RB. If that was an issue, Powell would of left a lot earlier than he did imo

Posted by: UMike | February 06, 2014 at 10:51 AM

In the MH, Golden said He'll make a run at RBs next year. If Walton can get in, he'll be a good one...He reminds me of Reggie Bush.

Terrance Sullivan

Cool peeps. Its going down in the Fall. Cant Wait

UMike

CR...Golden said that only after losing Powell and Cook etc lol... I sure do hold Walton cab reclassify.

UMike

UpNorth... you got to come to Atlanta man....Great tailgate spot, the whole top deck of the parking garage ALL for Cane fans. Easy to get into the stadium, people are cool, much to do in down town ATL etc

KYcane


VA Cane,

Ran across this the other day..thought you might like it.

http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/10304484/gospel-st-vince

Posted by: KYcane | January 31, 2014 at 08:38 PM

UMike

TSully, we going in deep to Atlanta this year man... my 2 youngest have never tailgated with me... my oldest was in Atlanta in 2012 when we went, but not my other 2. Should be fun.

UMike

CR... you ever seen the National Lampoons Van Wilder movie?

WWIM

We spelled his name wrong on his name tag and he was pissed lol

Posted by: Ohio_Cane | February 06, 2014 at 09:46 AM

No, we put athlete on his name tag instead of receiver and he was pissed!

WWIM

LB, where were you last year? I'm the man to talk to about Corn!

The Dude

VA,

I get what you're saying about those kids that can't read, however if it weren't for arbitrary rules that say a kid must be three years removed from high school before jumping into the NFL, none of the query would matter. I wonder if I were a millionaire, could I just sign these kids and keep them on a semi pro team, then sell their rights to the NFL after three years?

Ohio_Cane

Hey Ohio what did you think of the Q&A Chad Wilson was doing on your boy Pete's site?

Posted by: CaneSawMassacre | February 06, 2014 at 11:32 AM
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It's interesting, to say the least. I take a spurned alumnus' words with a grain of salt though. Especially when his "baby" now plays for the enemy.

UMike

Ariz was also on Chad Wilsons radio show.

Ohio_Cane

James Coley gets an extra year off the hot seat as OC simply for his recruiting. It's being said that we would've lost Kaaya, Chad, AND Yearby, had it not been for Coley.

Kaaya to USC or UCLA, Chad to Bama and Yearby to USF.

Wow.

CaneRock

UMike, nah, I've never seen that flick...what's up?

The Dude

O_C,

It all depends on who the replacement is.

UMike

Coley also gets a year because it was his first year. But its scary to think of losing those 3 on top of the others. But that might be 75% he reason Golden hired him lol

UMike

CR.. nevermind,... had a great reference to that chick I was gonna show you

30CINCO

Me personally , if I have a conversation with someone, and they turn to name calling, it's a win in my book. it's a defense mechanism when a thought cannot be expressed

Go Canes

Ohio the guy definitely can get kids to commit and stick.

Was a great pickup last season.

Think we're going to have to live through whatever growing pains he has calling plays cause he can really connect with recruits.

Go Canes

lol.

LB

"LB, where were you last year? I'm the man to talk to about Corn!"

I was there, not as public. You get all the credit in the world on that one. Dude needs to be on offense.

30CINCO

The Wilson chat was entertaining. He is upset because Golden didn't "meet" with him. Called the HC about QW, but not him.

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