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February 04, 2015

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nemo2002

Nice 1

86Cane

Is that Nemo sneaking in the back door?

86Cane

Losing is NOT Acceptable

Posted by: RCCF | February 04, 2015 at 09:41 PM

On this we agree.

Elliott

First

Elliott

Nevermind.....

SinisterCane

Thug U

86Cane

Sinister...I sure hope U put this on your Facebook?

http://canespace.typepad.com/canespace/2015/01/blogger-profile-sinister-cane.html

LOL

Ohio_Cane

Is that Nemo sneaking in the back door?

Posted by: 86Cane | February 04, 2015 at 09:55 PM
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THATS WHAT SHE SAID!

AfriCane

reasons y Al golden is gone if he doesn't win next year; no one in the history of coaching survives past the 5th year if they r not producing in a power house program. The 2016 no. 1 class must be saved at all cost. New president.

TLuv

Good OL class. My favorite player in the class is McIntosh. Kid is gonna be a stud. Already ready for spring ball.

Go,GoCanes!

Preach:


Saw Norton play in the high school game at the end of the season in Boca Raton. He played both ways and was very athletic. He even carried the ball as a fullback. I loved his swag and had a good ffeeling about him coming to Miami (perhaps wishful thinking). The Canes have some players on D. Despite scheme, I think the D will be very good in 2015 if they can avoid critical injuries. I think their defense will attack more and they have some players that can make plays. If Bush stays healthy, he is the leader and all ACC. DL is deep. JJ is the best safety from South Florida, and I would take Knowles over Irvin any day. We are deep and experienced at CB. LBs started to play better with Hurley. Not only will they have a top 10 defense, I expect them to be near the top in critical defensive stats like turnovers and 3rd down efficiency. A good defense can carry the Canes to a coastal division championship.

Posted by: BigWindyCane1 | February 04, 2015 at 09:04 PM

Go,GoCanes!

This guy /\/\/\ knows more about these kids than the rest of us combined.

Excellent post, as always.

1mg of Epi

Saw Norton play in the high school game at the end of the season in Boca Raton. He played both ways and was very athletic. He even carried the ball as a fullback. I loved his swag and had a good ffeeling about him coming to Miami (perhaps wishful thinking). The Canes have some players on D. Despite scheme, I think the D will be very good in 2015 if they can avoid critical injuries. I think their defense will attack more and they have some players that can make plays. If Bush stays healthy, he is the leader and all ACC. DL is deep. JJ is the best safety from South Florida, and I would take Knowles over Irvin any day. We are deep and experienced at CB. LBs started to play better with Hurley. Not only will they have a top 10 defense, I expect them to be near the top in critical defensive stats like turnovers and 3rd down efficiency. A good defense can carry the Canes to a coastal division championship.

Posted by: BigWindyCane1 | February 04, 2015 at 09:04 PM

Good, thoughtful post.

I agree the we have players on D. I am curious though how, or maybe why you divorce the scheme from results? The defense is built to give up yards. I know some of you believe that I just spew negativity, but in fact the defense is bend don't break by design. It's very difficult to have an elite 3rd down defense when that defense places linemen and LBs in position to make first contact 4 yards downfield. It's even tougher for linemen to make drive stopping plays, sacks or TFLs when playing in position means standing up and holding a lineman in a gap. This isn't a shot at players or coaches, it's simply the realities of our defense.

You say you believe the players will attack more, but that is not a decision the player makes... If the player does his job, then he will read, react and make contact 4 yards out in the open field and alone.. Which is why good tackling is so important in this scheme. If the tackle is broke, there will not be help to make the stop and the ball carrier will gain those killer YAC.

So my question is what leads you to believe the D will be improved? If the argument is simply experience, I'd have to say that experience will not change the fact that executed perfectly the D will still allow 12 yards after 3 downs.

This is an honest question, I'm not trying to bust balls.

raizecane

Congrats to the class of 2015.....It's a Canes thing......

86Cane

Already ready for spring ball.

Posted by: TLuv | February 04, 2015 at 10:27 PM

U gonna be in the area? Wanna hook up at The Titanic?

86Cane

THATS WHAT SHE SAID!

Posted by: Ohio_Cane | February 04, 2015 at 10:20 PM

WOW...all CAPS and everything? Nice touch!

Easy big dawg, E Z.

86Cane

This guy /\/\/\ knows more about these kids than the rest of us combined.

Posted by: Go,GoCanes! | February 04, 2015 at 10:39 PM

Claro que si!

(Of course)

86Cane

This is an honest question, I'm not trying to bust balls.

Posted by: 1mg of Epi | February 04, 2015 at 10:43 PM

Well done, intelligent response, well phrased.

1mg of Epi

Thank u sir

86Cane

Epi...like I said before, may not ALWAYS like what U post, but I have much R E S P E C T for U.

The Dude

Epi...like I said before, may not ALWAYS like what U post, but I have much R E S P E C T for U.

Posted by: 86Cane | February 04, 2015 at 11:35 PM

My last post didn't get this kind of praise, lol.

Ohio_Cane

@mattyports: Mom of transfer DT Gerald Willis told Rivals he would have signed with UM out of high school if not for "problems and the sanctions" UM had.

Ohio_Cane

The cloud was real, folks

The Dude

WW,

Where you at man? We need to talk about my royalties from #algoldensitcoms.

Even Go Canes has to admit I probably invented this.

86Cane

My last post didn't get this kind of praise, lol.

Posted by: The Dude | February 04, 2015 at 11:46 PM

The Dude Abides.

86Cane

The cloud was real, folks

Posted by: Ohio_Cane | February 04, 2015 at 11:47 PM

Any person with even half a brain would agree with U. Now, what does that say about peeps around here?

The Dude

Cloud was real to an extent. Not the reason Miami went 6-7.

1mg of Epi

Here's an interesting article quantifying actual results vs expected results via statistical analysis. Found the link on CIS.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/after-signing-day-wisconsin-makes-the-best-of-its-recruits/

The Dude

^^^ Let's not argue that in circles. Fact: Cloud was real. Fact: Cloud is not the reason Miami isn't winning.

86Cane

The Dude with a REALLY good comeback.

#TruDat

86Cane

1. Cloud was real.

2. Cloud prevented us from winning 3 or 4 games in 2014.

3. We still lost another 2-3 for no reason whatsoever.

4. Well that is not completely true. We lost one game because RaizeCane was there. We lost another because I wore the wrong shirt. We lost another because it was at night and it was dark and we were afraid.

5. That is all.

SJMPARMAN

Having sworn off Miami football, I am too much of an addict to not follow signing day. I think this is a good class overall, and borderline outstanding on the offensive side of the ball. The O Line signings were nothing short of outstanding. The defensive players are much better than I thought was possible under the circumstances. I got to credit the staff for the signings. Nice job.

SOUP

The O Line signings were nothing short of outstanding. The defensive players are much better than I thought was possible under the circumstances. I got to credit the staff for the signings. Nice job.

Posted by: SJMPARMAN | February 05, 2015 at 12:05 AM

There IT is right there.

Herbieibis

Well this is the first time the herb has had an opportunity to speak about this so so class. It's a shame, once upon a time we had 4 stud rbs verballed and end up with one, thank god for reclassification or I guess we would have struck at that position. Got one wr and had to go to easyanna to get him. How in the hell with all the speed in the state do you not get one player? At least we got norton. It's pretty sad with all the star power in the state, all we can do is watch other teams stampede our borders and take what they want. Now I know how Travis felt at the Alamo. We have officially made it to the negative side of the top 50 teams in the nation. How far must we descend before the powers that be hear our cries for help. By the way stars do matter, look at the last 5 years in recruiting and see who year end and year out are your top teams. No they won't win every game but at least they give themselves a chance with the way they haul in the top talent.

1mg of Epi


Epi...like I said before, may not ALWAYS like what U post, but I have much R E S P E C T for U.

Posted by: 86Cane | February 04, 2015 at 11:35 PM

Those words are very much appreciated.. Especially coming from you.

SJMPARMAN

When we were great, truly great, we didn't win the recruiting war until we played on the field. Alabama would win every year if the guys covering high school players games, and projecting them to the NFL hall of fame were correct. They aren't. 5 star talent in these guys eyes can be a predictor of result. But when you have a team of destiny out to make a name for themselves, it doesn't matter. We haven't been that team of destiny for long time.

🐜🌀

Your not listening Linda, listen Linda listen. Y'all are thick headed big time. I was in Wally world up here in Boone NC with my U sweatshirt and hat getting all the looks. Go Canes is right about one thing, we are the game everyone in the ACC circles on the schedule. So even after they fire Golden, the next coach has to be able to motivate the players into believing that our coastal counterparts matter the same as fsu. That's hard because I had zero parties at my house other than FSU and Vagina Tech. Imagine if you a player who just lost to FSU and your coach says c'mon lets beat Virginia, yeah man fuck you. That's tough. Its like saying hey everyone we are working on Christmas day for the same pay and have to meet productivity. ITS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

1mg of Epi

1. Cloud was real.

2. Cloud prevented us from winning 3 or 4 games in 2014.

3. We still lost another 2-3 for no reason whatsoever.

4. Well that is not completely true. We lost one game because RaizeCane was there. We lost another because I wore the wrong shirt. We lost another because it was at night and it was dark and we were afraid.

5. That is all.

Posted by: 86Cane | February 04, 2015 at 11:57 PM

1. Yup.

2. So, if the cloud caused the losses, that means we were out talented. You watched 4 teams that were faster, stronger, tougher.... More talented than us? I'm curious which teams they were.

3. No reason whatsoever = coaching

4. Dammit soup!! Get your wardrobe straight!

5. Just a little more.....

This actually could be interesting.. Name the teams that were more talented, I along with the horsemen, can see if we can come up with some schematic/strategic changes that might've changed the outcome. We can end the debate once and for all!!

1mg of Epi

1. Cloud was real.

2. Cloud prevented us from winning 3 or 4 games in 2014.

3. We still lost another 2-3 for no reason whatsoever.

4. Well that is not completely true. We lost one game because RaizeCane was there. We lost another because I wore the wrong shirt. We lost another because it was at night and it was dark and we were afraid.

5. That is all.

Posted by: 86Cane | February 04, 2015 at 11:57 PM

1. Yup. Nobody says otherwise.

2. So then 4 teams were more talented than us? You watched the games and saw 4 teams that were bigger, stronger, faster... More talented than us? Who?

3. No reason whatsoever = Coaching

4. Dammit soup! Get your wardrobe straight, man!!

I have an idea... This could be interesting... Tell us which 4 teams you thought were more talented than us, and I along with the horsemen, Va cane et al will come up with schematic/strategic changes that could've changed the outcome of those games.

We can end this debate once and for all!!

The Dude

^^^ this won't be answered by some folks.

WWIN

The cloud was real, folks

Posted by: Ohio_Cane | February 04, 2015 at 11:47 PM

Any person with even half a brain would agree with U. Now, what does that say about peeps around here?

Posted by: 86Cane | February 04, 2015 at 11:50 PM

What does a damn cloud have to do with the ACC Coastal??? News flash, every team in the Coastal has a cloud and are worse than us!!! Lol

1mg of Epi

Sorry for the double post.. 10 minutes after submitting the first post it still hadn't appeared. Thought it had been eaten.

WWIN

WW,

Where you at man? We need to talk about my royalties from #algoldensitcoms.

Even Go Canes has to admit I probably invented this.

Posted by: The Dude | February 04, 2015 at 11:48 PM

I'm here like State Farm!

WWIN

So let me get this straight...

A few months ago rumors of Willis transferring was shot down by people saying UM doesn't deal with players like him, but now it's all good??? LMAO

The only reason UM took him was because they struck out on so many other players! Another new low for em! Don't get me wrong, I like him and I'm cool with taking him but it's not UM's thing to do.

WWIN

CaneRock,

WTH is yo Heat's doing inbounding the ball? Damn dog, that ish is more embarrassing than the gaytors blocking each other! LMAO

TonyCane

Let's look at the total number of 4/5 star players on the roster post Signing Day:

Miami 4/5* players on the roster, record:
2006: 46 (7-6)
2007: 42 (5-7)
2008: 42 (7-6)
2009: 41 (9-3)
2010: 39 (7-6)
2011: 28 (6-6)
2012: 21 (7-5)
2013: 22 (9-3)
2014: 25 (6-7)
2015: 28

Miami loses three (2 to early departure, 1 to graduation) and replaces them with 6, including the transfer of 5-star player Gerald Willis. A stronger class could have really boosted Miami's overall talent quotient, as it was an unusually low number of 4/5 star players leaving this year (due to the low ranked 2011 class). After the conclusion of the 2016 season we could see as many as 6 depart, meaning the 2016 class will have to have at least that many players just to keep even.

Comparing The Positions (4/5 star players)

Quarterback:
2011: (1) Harris
2012: None
2013: (1) Olsen
2014: (2) Kayaa, Heaps
2015: (1) Kayaa

Wide Receiver:
2011: (3) Benjamin, Johnson, Streeter
2012: (2) LEWIS, LOCKHART
2013: (2) Coley, Lewis
2014: (3) Berrios, Coley, Lewis
2015: (4) Berrios, CAGER, Coley, Lewis

Tight End:
2011: None
2012: None
2013: (1) Sandland
2014: (1) Sandland
2015: (1) WASHINGTON

Running Back:
2011: (3) Clements, James, Miller
2012: (3) Clements, James, JOHNSON
2013: (2) Clements, Johnson
2014: (2) Johnson, YEARBY
2015: (2) WALTON, Yearby

Offensive Line:
2011: (6) Bunche, Henderson, Linder, Johnson, Jones, Washington
2012: (5) Henderson, Linder, FLOWERS, Johnson, Washington
2013: (4) Bunche, Flowers, Henderson, Linder
2014: (4) DARLING, GIBBONS, Flowers, MCDERMOTT
2015: (4) Darling, McDermott, MILO, ST LOUIS

Defensive Line:
2011: (7) CHICKILLO, Dye, Forston, GRIMBLE, Lewis, Robinson, Vernon
2012: (5) Chickillo, Grimble, HAMILTON, MCCORD, Robinson
2013: (5) Chickillo, Hamilton, McCord, Muhammad, L Robinson
2014: (7) Chickillo, Hamilton, JACKSON, McCord, MOTEN, Muhammad, C THOMAS
2015: (8) McCord, Hamilton, Muhammed, Jackson, Moten, PATCHAN, Thomas, WILLIS*

Linebacker:
2011: (3) Futch, Robinson, Spence
2012: (2) Futch, KIRBY
2013: (2) Grace, Kirby
2014: (2) Grace, Kirby
2015: (2) Grace, Kirby

Defensive Backs:
2011: (5) Armstrong, Buchanan, Holton, McGee, Telemaque
2012: (2) BUSH, HOWARD
2013: (5) Burns, Bush, Carter, Elder, Howard
2014: (6) Burns, Bush, Carter, Elder, HESTER, Howard
2015: (6) Burns, Bush, Carter, Elder, Howard, JACKSON

*has to sit out 2015 season

Feb. 2016 is on 11 months away

how on God's Green Earth did the gators out recruit us ?

who's our MLB ?

WWIN

1. how on God's Green Earth did the gators out recruit us ?

2. who's our MLB ?

Posted by: Feb. 2016 is on 11 months away | February 05, 2015 at 02:37 AM

1. We still got Golden!

2. The Marlins

LB

LB
He also talked a lot about players getting bigger (i.e.: slower).

Posted by: LB | February 04, 2015 at 06:37 PM

Wrong.

Posted by: TLuv | February 04, 2015 at 07:14 PM

Try again, TLuv.

"James is 203 pounds right now, was about 186 at our camp, watched him grow, watched him develop, so we’re excited about him."

"RJ [Richard] McIntosh might be the most underrated player down here, a guy that we got to know when he was 245 pounds. He’s now 278 pounds, a basketball player, athletic."

"He’s doing great. He’s already 245 pounds and our trainer’s trying to slow him down."

CaneRock

Did we not have room for Willis in 2014?

Go,GoCanes!

Kids growing into the size they need to be does not make them slower. Duke and Dorsett probably added 20 pounds each while they were here, Clive and Denzel probably 30+.

1mg of Epi

The only reason UM took him was because they struck out on so many other players! Another new low for em! Don't get me wrong, I like him and I'm cool with taking him but it's not UM's thing to do.

Posted by: WWIM | February 05, 2015 at 01:16 AM

Hell yes I'll take him!

raizecane


4. Well that is not completely true. We lost one game because RaizeCane was there. We lost another because I wore the wrong shirt. We lost another because it was at night and it was dark and we were afraid.

5. That is all.

Posted by: 86Cane | February 04, 2015 at 11:57 PM

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There is some truth to this. Both games I attended ended in a loss.

dj moonbat

Kids growing into the size they need to be does not make them slower. Duke and Dorsett probably added 20 pounds each while they were here, Clive and Denzel probably 30+.

Posted by: Go,GoCanes! | February 05, 2015 at 07:49 AM


The size they need to be TO DO WHAT? If Ohio is right, and they intend for McIntosh to be a DT, he's going to need to get bigger. But if he's going to be a successful two-gapping NT, he's going to need to get bigger still. And the same is true for most guys coming in to play in the front seven.

If guys are trying to fill a certain role, rather than simply to carry the optimum mix of muscle and fat for their skeleton, you can end up with, say, a Denzel who's carrying a lot of muscle at 245, but also a noticeable gut. Maybe that gut doesn't make him "slow" for his position, but it does make him "slower" than he COULD BE if he were trying to be a LB in the mold of, say, every Miami defense over the previous 25 years.

raizecane


how on God's Green Earth did the gators out recruit us ?

who's our MLB ?

Posted by: Feb. 2016 is on 11 months away | February 05, 2015 at 02:37 AM

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The answer is simple. Florida plays in the SEC, has great facilities, one of the best sports programs in the country, is considered one of the most coveted places to coach at, they play in the swamp. Foley is one of the best AD's in the country. In addition, they have The Onion recruiting for them. Just to name a few reasons.....

Go,GoCanes!

This guy has a gut?

https://mobile.twitter.com/onmyway305/status/506833332504522752

SinisterCane

I'm impressed that the Bootlicker Brigade went a whole day without mentioning the cloud

Go,GoCanes!

And we're equally unimpressed that you fail to ever acknowledge it factored at all in what's happened here.

SOUP

2. So, if the cloud caused the losses, that means we were out talented. You watched 4 teams that were faster, stronger, tougher.... More talented than us? I'm curious which teams they were.

Posted by: 1mg of Epi | February 05, 2015 at 12:50 AM

We have been over this 100 times already.

I have three: FSU, Louisville, Nebraska were faster, stronger and tougher (in that order). FSU was also more talented.

We should have won all other games and finished 9-3 or at the very least 8-4. The fact that that did not happen is concerning. If it happens again then ch-ch-ch-changes must occur.

UMike

And we're equally unimpressed that you fail to ever acknowledge it factored at all in what's happened here.

Posted by: Go,GoCanes! | February 05, 2015 at 08:22 AM

You said it was the fans...

EVERYONE acknowledges the "cloud" had some effects, but NONE of those effects are reasons to lose 7 games, especially to the teams we lose to.

UMike

SOUP, I got an article coming your way about this class, might be a day or two though

SOUP

I think the losses to GT and UVA were on the coaches. The loss to Pitt may have been on the players?

SOUP

UMike...cool deal.

UMike

If a loss is "on the players", then its on the coaches imo. If we are simple way out-talented, like say an FSU, that is different. HOWEVER, if the coaches were a TAD bit more aggressive in the second half we still could of won that game.

SinisterCane

And we're equally unimpressed that you fail to ever acknowledge it factored at all in what's happened here.

Posted by: Go,GoCanes! | February 05, 2015 at 08:22 AM

The cloud was 2 seasons ago sowhatdafuc does it have to do with 7-6 or 6-7? Didn't realize it was the Sanction cloud that caused us to get beatdown in our own house for recruits yesterday

raizecane


Miami's Al Golden Excited About 2015 National Signing Day Class
.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdUAF5OOsVM

SOUP

NEW BLOG IS UP!

raizecane

Signing Day: Al Golden on Miami recruiting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xrrLf3Shzg

dj moonbat

We should have won all other games and finished 9-3 or at the very least 8-4. The fact that that did not happen is concerning. If it happens again then ch-ch-ch-changes must occur.

Posted by: SOUP | February 05, 2015 at 08:23 AM


Both the 2013 and 2014 seasons ended with the 'Canes dumping four games, starting with the FSU games. In 2013, they were able to interrupt the skid with wins over some pretty damned weak UVA and Pitt teams; in 2014, even the UVA and Pitt games couldn't stop the free-fall.

Now, I'm not asking you to become a full-on "hater." But I am going to ask you momentarily to lower the rose-colored shades as you contemplate the following: This year, the FSU game is in week 5, and comes before a stretch of seven games in which every team but two (Duke/UNC) beat UM in 2014, and only UNC failed to beat UM in both prior years.

Aside from "I'm a fan, it's what I do," what is the rationale behind thinking that "it" won't happen again? (By which I mean a bunch of losses to less-talented teams, with the losses particularly piling up after The Quit sets in.)

I'll spare you my read on why it will happen again, because it's just as much of a downer for me as it is for everybody else. But I will say it's not JUST "Golden sucks." (Happy to provide backup detail upon request.)

TonyCane

If I read it correctly last night, Miami may have been down to 66 - 69 scholarship players last season, not including transfers and walk ons. Could that be correct?

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