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July 01, 2015

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TonyCane

1983 Canes!

86Cane

WORTH RE-POSTING AGAIN...

Miami's record over the last 10 years should also be expected when you've had three coaches over that time span. It's roughly equivalent to what Michigan and Texas A&M saw in the same time period, and below Louisville.

Louisville
2005: 9-3 (Petrino)
2006: 11-1 (Petrino)
2007: 6-6 (Kragthorpe)
2008: 5-7 (Kragthorpe)
2009: 4-8 (Kragthorpe)
2010: 7-6 (Strong)
2011: 7-6 (Strong)
2012: 11-2 (Strong)
2013: 12-1 (Strong)
2014: 9-4 (Petrino)

Texas A&M
2005: 5-6 (Franchionne)
2006: 9-4 (Franchionne)
2007: 7-6 (Franchionne)
2008: 4-8 (Sherman)
2009: 6-7 (Sherman)
2010: 9-4 (Sherman)
2011: 7-6 (Sherman)
2012: 11-2 (Sumlin)
2013: 9-4 (Sumlin)
2014: 8-5 (Sumlin)

Michigan
2005: 7-5 (Carr)
2006: 11-2 (Carr)
2007: 9-4 (Carr)
2008: 3-9 (Rodriguez)
2009: 5-7 (Rodriguez)
2010: 7-6 (Rodriguez)
2011: 11-2 (Hoke)
2012: 8-5 (Hoke)
2013: 7-6 (Hoke)
2014: 5-7 (Hoke)


Miami
2005: 9-3 (Coker)
2006: 7-6 (Coker)
2007: 5-7 (Shannon)
2008: 7-6 (Shannon)
2009: 9-3 (Shannon)
2010: 7-6 (Shannon)
2011: 6-6 (Golden)
2012: 7-5 (Golden)
2013: 9-4 (Golden)
2014: 6-7 (Golden)

Miami: 72 wins
Michigan: 73 wins
Texas A&M: 75 wins
Louisville: 81 wins

Posted by: TonyCane | July 01, 2015 at 07:40 PM

Terrance Sullivan

Boom! Great article Soup! Love the breakdown of the festivities and glad you had a blast. Go Canes!

Lur-ker

Terrance Sullivan
Mad Props to Soup for showing Mad Love to all our Canes Student Athletes. Best Canes Blog Ever. Canesspace 4 Life.

Posted by: Terrance Sullivan | July 01, 2015 at 08:01 PM

This can't be emphasized enough. Whatever sport you play at the U, you're putting in a lot of work and a lot of time, to have it recognized is only right. Great job soup

SOUP

Thanks guys! Much appreciated.

Old Skool

So where did Soup place with his catch?

soup

SOUP drank too much, woke up late and missed the boat. LOL

SOUP did not participate in tourney. Went to seafood market and spent tourney entry fee on fresh FL Keys seafood instead!

His Royal Dudeness

A vintage Federer today.

His Royal Dudeness

Maybe we'll see a vintage Rafa also.

TheeMackJones

Miami: 72 wins
Michigan: 73 wins
Texas A&M: 75 wins
Louisville: 81 wins

Posted by: TonyCane | July 01, 2015 at 07:40 PM

I absolutely disagree with your simplistic notion and what not. In other words, it's more complicated than some simplistic two-legged ANIMALISTIC take. lmfao

First major point. The programs mentioned above were in ABSOLUTE DISARRAY prior to the arrival of new head coaches ( They were deep in the putrid outhouse DOO-DOO. )!!! Whereas the Hurricanes kept the beastly, nasty, UPPITY football machine running on HEAVY METAL high octane fuel.

Matter of fact, au contraire to what Cane fandom wish to believe. Butch Davis basically KEPT the Miami, Florida Hurricane TOP TEN winning tradition alive. Albeit at a lesser degree of dominance. AND THAT WAS with the lost of " 33 scholarships " and what not.

For instance, if U wish to peruse the Davis seasons. Miami basically was relatively in the Orange and Green doldrums only three seasons**. Then once Davis and staff's recruiting expertise took place. The 2000 and 2001 seasons were the concrete happening fruitions and what not.

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1997 5-6

1998 9-3

1999 9-4

The three seasons happen to be the lost scholarship years and what not. Yet Davis and staff magnificently outcoached their opponents in '97, '98 and '99.

For instance, the Butch'er was basically playing with Erickson's players in 1996 and 1995. And Cane fan could basically RATIONALIZE those UNDESIRABLE records on Davis' LACK of head coaching experience. Nothing more and nothing less. Because look at what Davis, and his assistants, surprisingly achieve during those THREE seasons, of probation and scholarship lost. An ABSOLUTELY amazing job beyond the call of duty.

Now in stark contrast, the Golden one basically CHIT his pants in his FOURTH season with a LOSING record and what not. ENTER stage 'right-wing' the recent NFL draft and the VAST MAJORITY of starters in 2014, being Golden and D'Onofrio HANDPICKED recruits.

Lur-ker

ACC beat writer Andrea Adelson says:

"Add up the win-loss record of Miami’s opponents. That number comes to 97-58, the third-toughest among all schools in the country. Virginia is next at 94-62. Miami faces nine teams that were bowl eligible last season; Louisville seven."

http://espn.go.com/blog/acc/post/_/id/82924/take-2-toughest-schedule-in-the-acc

TheeMackJones

Meant to bloviate empty air... '98 and '99. My bad.

TheeMackJones

Too bad Adelson doesn't mention if those Hurricane opponents have the MAJORITY of their starters returning this season. Especially starting QB's and what not.

For example, I'm not going to take the time to research those NINE programs. But SEVEN of the nine teams mentioned above. Could have only ten or 11 starters back on both sides of the LOS. Thus it would make Andrea's point lacking grit and what not.

TheeMackJones

The bottom line is Golden advocates still want to BLAME that Onion Head for the shameful 2014 season. But that's an erroneous delusional belief and what not. Simply because Golden and D'Onofrio were playing with THEIR recruited players and it was his TENTH SEASON as a head coach and what not.

Yeah, yeah the Hurricanes didn't have any depth and what not. LOL But who's to blame for that. Because U Know Who basically RAN OFF all that possible depth ( The kid STARTING at UCLA on the OL, for instance. )!

And the latest CASUALTY is Golden RUNNING off Gadbois ( I can SEE-r it now with Orange and Green peepers. Go cane and allies moaning and groaning. WE don't have no depth on the OL. ).

Excuse, excuses, excuses and more excuses. Because the latest one thrown around the past few months. Is 2015 is Golden and D'Onofrio's SECOND SEASON with Miami. SMH

Lur-ker

😳 😂😂😂😂😂

TheeMackJones

Coach Hoke given his homogay PINK SLIP in his fourth season ( 5-7 ). And may I say deservingly so. Yet the Golden One keeps his job after going 6-7 in his fourth season. Go figure.

Oh. One more thing. The Big Ten was relatively an OVERALL STRONGER conference last season than the ACC. So Hoke has a valid excuse for his troublesome record. LOL

TheeMackJones

Michigan's POWERS THAT BE say the football program is WORTH saving and what not. Whereas Miami's wise elders tweedle their thumbs and give LIP SERVICE to the state of the program, which put Coral Gables on the MAP!!!

TheeMackJones

I don't care about lack of depth or injuries and what not. Because if Miami doesn't finish " 8-4 or 9-3 " in '15. Then Golden must go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No ifs, buts or he needs one more season.

I say this because GO CANES posted that his beloved Albert and the players are FEELING REAL GOOD about the upcoming season.

In other words, Golden and associates have an Orange and Green CONFIDENT aura and what not.

Go Canes

My God this guy never stops spewing un-researched, innacurate, hyperbolic nonsense.

TheeMackJones

I believe it was that Go canes whom said that Phil Steele rated Miami at NO. 20, in his Top 40 preseason poll. But I could be mistaken.

For instance, Mr. Steele has some other team at No. 20 ( Johnny Rebels. ). Matter of fact, both Clemson and Virginia Tech are listed in the TOP TWENTY! Tigers No. 17, Hokies No. 16. Ouch.

Just wondering and what not. But where's Miami at, because Phil's home page doesn't list the Hurricanes.

Ohio_Cane

My God this guy never stops spewing un-researched, innacurate, hyperbolic nonsense.

Posted by: Go Canes | July 02, 2015 at 02:20 PM
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And what not.

TheeMackJones

Has anybody out there purchased Steele's college football magazine yet.

Oh. One more point. Miami, Florida is an early bird point spread favorite over Beamer Ball ( According to Sin City. ). However, Steele ranks Virginia Tech at NO. 16. Something doesn't jive and what not.

Can anybody out there explain the latter notions and what not. Maybe the EXPERT football pundit, Go canes, can ASTUTELY explain the widespread discrepancy regarding Beamer Ball's ranking and Miami being an early bird chalk.

Ohio_Cane

Maybe we'll see a vintage Rafa also.

Posted by: The Dude | July 02, 2015 at 12:14 PM
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Rafa is OUT. Wow. To 102nd ranked Dustin Brown.

NicKane

Holy moly college football can't start soon enough! There's nothing worse then boring summer sports. Thank goodness for team USA at the woman's World Cup because I wouldn't have nothing sports wise to get excited about. Let's go ladies, let's settle the score from 4 years ago and win it all this time!

Lur-ker

Wat I can't wrap my head around is that you actually asked if anybody bought a magazine.

People don't buy magazines anymore.

That went out of style about the same time as witch burning did.

And what not.

raizecane

Good Afternoon everybody.....I am happy to report that I made it back safely from my week long drinkfest in the Domincan Republic.

What a wonderful place to visit (Punta Cana) and would highly recommend it. I though being from Florida, the heat wouldnt be too bad but was I wrong. It's a little warm there. Thank goodness for the pool bar... :-)

TheeMackJones

Posted by: Lur-ker | July 02, 2015 at 03:04 PM

RE: Salem bonfires of the witches.

Go tell that to the folks in Columbus, Ohio. Because they still purchase Mr. Steele and associates college football rags.

U can go tell that to the folks in Eugene, Oregon or East Lansing, Michigan, or maybe even Lincoln, Hinterlands.

And what about the folks in Roll Tide Roll burgh.

Then there's the folks in the Sunshine state capital small town. They seem to buy those rags and what not.

But then again, seeing that Miami, Florida HASN'T been nationally relevant since 2005. There's a reason for Cane fandom saving their precious dollars and cents. Which makes sense. If U ask me.

Oh. Walgreen's happens to sell Phil's magazine and matter of fact, there's a store one block from moi. So I'll just mosey on down the dusty street and take a quick,peak.

So my bad for bringing ups such mundane trivial matters as college pigskin magazines and what not.

Ohio_Cane


Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA

Free agent guard Shane Larkin has agreed to a two-year, $3M deal with the Brooklyn Nets, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.

VA Cane

Just back from Raleigh NC.....saw The Stones at Carter Finley......does not get no better.....nuff said. Those cats are in their 70s and move better, harder and more often than our OL DL!!!!!!!!! They rocked the joint out for 2.5 hours.....If you get the chance see them....that was show #27 for me....seen every tour of North America since 1972 and saw the in Berlin in 1990!
Awesome awesome show the real rock and roll!!!!!

raizecane

VA - I am going on record and say you are a Stones fan. Buy hey, it's only rock-n-roll and I like it.

VA Cane

I must say I have never thought of MI TAMU and The Ville on our level....they are not our competition or were not for a long time... TAMU beating Bama was nice, but they have never been a huge power....how many titles? Michigan has had some decent teams....but again....titles? The Ville has dominated us....but no titles in sight.....hoops school...but obviously better than us now. We have certainly come back to the pack....and then some.

We have a huge amount of work to get done this year....got to happen. I just do not buy excuses of any kind on any level. The time to talk plan pause reflect is over....its been like that for 4 years now? time to get after it big time or do something different. I hope to see AlPa turn the corner this year. Big year for him, staff, team.

The lines both concern me; not deep or highly skilled as need be....will be the cornerstones...think BK will be a leader for sure....he is impressive. Time to strap the gear on and get ready....we start in a month; are making our final preparations to be sound physically and fundamentally.

VA Cane

Raize they were unreal....but then again they always please never fail. Great band!!!!!!

I agree guys I nod during baseball....soccer...though I really enjoyed our womens team....they are very impressive.....heck I used to love races but without that Black 3....I have faded.

Hell lets play some football!

VA Cane

I enjoy getting a copy each year; read it and learn about a lot of different players teams etc but hey I am just a coach who enjoys knowledge of teams and players I might not see play on TV. Good mag I think, but may not be for all.

VA Cane

How were the drinks raize?

Ohio_Cane

Barry Jackson ‏@flasportsbuzz 17s17 seconds ago

With Yahoo reporting that Heat is seeking meeting with LaMarcus Aldridge, Heat would need to deal Bosh or much of team to make room....

Go Canes

Riley=God

TonyCane

Interesting Mack. Not advocating for or against the current regime. Just comparing our Canes to other programs (excluding UL) that saw similar disarray. But I am curious...what head coach would have eeked out a national championship over the last four years, when the 2010 and 2011 recruiting classes were ruined, and 2012-2013 were affected by the NCAA investigation. Would Saban have gotten us to 14-0. Fischer? Harbaugh? JJ? Davis? Because that is the standard...if not the minimum requirement.

TonyCane

Just hope the Heat don't deal Justice.

86Cane

Just hope the Heat don't deal Justice.

Posted by: TonyCane | July 02, 2015 at 08:31 PM

Negative.

Only Canespace can deal out the Justice.

Go Canes

Tony you're logical and well spoken.

Your mumble jumbo is lost on your intended audience.

The Dude

And what not. Lol. Couldn't resist.

The Dude

What's great about TC is that he's all about the statistics and is open to interpretation on what they all mean. One of my favorite bloggers.

86Cane

One of my favorite bloggers.

Posted by: The Dude | July 02, 2015 at 10:04 PM

My very, very, very favorite!

When the term "balanced and fair" was made it was really meant for TonyCane.

VA CANE

Tony I see what you say....I never saw any of them as ever being on our level..MI at one time yes. I feel like though things happened....ruined classes, poor coaching, mediocre average athletes, NCAA....they are things that happened.....but as a football guy they are still excuses to me. We git to go this year.....the talk jive crying excuses complaints finger pointing is over. We have to have a big year....I don't think this regime will be here if it is not impressive. Tony I love all your posts. ..keep them coming!

The Dude

My very, very favorite is dj moonbat. Can't wait for football season to comeback.

VA CANE

I enjoy and appreciate all of you.....may not agree but I like other opinions...make you think appreciate and learn.
Scary in NC the sharks...people very scared. I am quite fascinated by them. Saw a huge hammerhead up close once whew. I love shark week starts Sunday.

VA CANE

Perhaps when season starts we will vet an OGV take! He is a trip!

86Cane

My very, very favorite is dj moonbat. Can't wait for football season to comeback.

Posted by: The Dude | July 02, 2015 at 10:14 PM

DAMN close second.

86Cane

OGV is not banned, he can come back at any time. Be careful what U wish for!

86Cane

We live in a great world:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/06/22/gay-activists-visiting-white-house-take-photos-of-themselves-flipping-off-reagan-portrait/

Interpret that how U may.

The Dude

Wade agreed to deal with Heat.

raizecane

How were the drinks raize?

Posted by: VA Cane | July 02, 2015 at 03:43 PM

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Not what i consider the best...you would have to consume alot to get a buzz and there almost to sweet. So at night i drank either beer or Jack D.

Lur-ker

Disgusting, Soup. Also makes me extremely sad that certain political groups feel they are so right that they can justify any form of behavior and disrespect. Sounds like they're the ones that are less open and willing to accept people with opinions different than their own.

thirstybuzzardcane

Wade agreed to deal with Heat.

Posted by: The Dude | July 02, 2015 at 10:56 PM
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Can't believe they paid him that much. He's probably worth half that! I would of let him walk!

TonyCane

Thanks, all of you!

Thirsty...I think that they had to for the sake of the future. Not paying Wade would give other free agents pause before signing. It would establish Miami as a cut throat organization, and not the "family" that they and the Spurs portray themselves. It's one of the things that Miami has going for them - family. They took care of Mourning at the close of his career and afterwards. They took care of Heat lifer Haslem. How could they not take care of Wade? It's a short term hit, but keeps the reputation of the franchise quite positive and helps gives them a favorable face when they go after Durant next year.

VA Cane...at least you didn't run into Deep Blue!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=df6d3hzHZZM

CaneRock

Barry:

Even without any cap space, the Heat has joined a list of teams pursuing Portland Trail Blazers free agent power forward LaMarcus Aldridge.

As Yahoo! first reported, Pat Riley will meet with Aldridge in Los Angeles. Aldridge and Riley will have dinner tonight, ESPN reported.

The Heat has been telling people that it fully expects Dwyane Wade will re-sign. But even if Wade surprisingly left, the Heat still would not have any cap space --- let alone the space for a max offer for Aldridge --- without considerable salary purging.

Signing Aldridge realistically would be possible only with a sign-and-trade with Portland.

Such a deal hypothetically could include Chris Bosh or Wade (which seems HIGHLY doubtful in both cases). More likely, if Aldridge decides he wants to play for the Heat, Riley could try to entice Portland with a package including some combination of Luol Deng, Josh McRoberts, Mario Chalmers, Chris Andersen and possibly Hassan Whiteside.

If he resigns with Portland for purposes of a sign and trade, Aldridge can make $109 million over five years. He could sign for no more than four years and $86 million with another team, without a sign-and-trade.

Two things to keep in mind with a sign-and-trade: A team receiving a player in such a trade cannot be above the tax apron ($4 million above the tax threshold) after the trade. This is do-able for Miami but will require more brilliance from Andy Elisburg, the Heat's sharp GM.

Also, a team receiving a player in a sign-and-trade cannot have used its taxpayer's midlevel exception yet (one reason for Miami to hold off).

A four-time All-Star, Aldridge averaged 23 points and 10 rebounds for Portland last season.

Whiteside will be a free agent next summer and the Heat will need to fit him under the projected $89 million salary cap if he signs for anything more than the league's average salary. That's because Whiteside won't have full Bird rights.

There would be roster duplication at the power positions with Whiteside, Bosh and Aldridge. So trading Whiteside cannot be ruled out in such a scenario. Aldridge doesn't want to play center, but Bosh has been a good sport about doing it when asked over the past five years.

San Antonio and Phoenix are reportedly the top contenders for Aldridge. The Suns sent three players to Detroit today in an attempt to clear salary cap space to sign Aldridge. Besides those teams, Aldridge also has met with Houston, Dallas and Toronto.

The Lakers are having a second meeting with him today. Aldridge canceled his meeting with the Knicks, according to multiple reports.

A Portland assistant coach said at a clinic this week that Aldridge has decided not to return to the Trail Blazers.

Without a sign and trade, there is no way to carve out space to make Aldridge a competitive offer as long as Wade, Goran Dragic and Bosh are on the roster.

CaneRock


But I am curious...what head coach would have eeked out a national championship over the last four years, when the 2010 and 2011 recruiting classes were ruined, and 2012-2013 were affected by the NCAA investigation. Would Saban have gotten us to 14-0. Fischer? Harbaugh? JJ? Davis? Because that is the standard...if not the minimum requirement.

Posted by: TonyCane | July 02, 2015 at 07:58 PM

I don't know about no 14-0, but all of those coaches would've done better than a pathetic 6-7 last season.

VA CANE

No I do not feel anybody would have got us there. While there were sone good players on the team, and I do think a better coaching job would have helped, the team was not much more than an average football team. Good qb good te and wr good back good mlb couple good ol....good.building blocks good talent fundamentals solid in these areas. After that average ol average at best dl, very average secondary, average specials, no depth weak fundamentals. Not a top 30 team....underachieved. Add questionale coaching job all around and you see this is just a team playing football with limited talent, weak fundamentals and depth.....nobody takes this team to top. Hope a good coaching job, hard work, better attitude and fundamentals and some good breaks can result in much more success.

VA CANE

I think so many people really are uptight about who or what they are. The gay activists disrespecting a good president, or Donald Trump spewing hate about what he does not know.....ridiculous...individuals or gruops wanting special attention or status....STFU and concern yourself with equal rights and opportunity for all people. JMO

Terrance Sullivan

VA Cane bringing it. Love it Coach. Wish everyone a Happy Independence Day Weekend. Canesspace 4 Life!

Alex D

What's good Legion/Canespace; here is a possible measuring rod as to whether or not the U will field a good team this year. When was the last time the U red-shirted a good portion of their incoming recruiting class? Also, is there a direct correlation between successful programs and red-shirting most of their freshmen? Happy 4th of July.

VA CANE

I think coaches have done some internal searching lioking to improve, and I think the kids want to suceed. Dont know how they will react, but I am giving a nod and respect to BK. He was quite a surprise as a frosh, has stepped to a leadership role,and appears to be a huge plus to his fellow Canes.....coaches and players! He has a lot of KD11 qualities....and that is never bad. Not saying he is KD11, but if we can add and surround this fine young man with SOME talent similar to what KD11 had ...which was unreal....then we would be a good team. Time to see gang.

VA CANE

Tony the stump is yours regarding Alex' question about correlation between redshirts and success! Good question and I am certain you know the numbers and can share with us!
TY T Sully same to you! Hope you all have great holiday....eat well drink smart and be safe.
Despite all our issues, and a lot of govt red tape, we still live in the greatest country on earth. Thanks to our troops who keep us free and God bless ALL Americans.

VfB_Cane

Pretty accurate assessment of where we stand (and what not):

The brand: The logo on the helmet hasn’t changed, but this is not The U that was one of college football’s most powerful brands for two decades. Part of the reason is the school has actively tried to distance itself from the bad boys of college football reputation that went hand-in-hand with that brand since Miami received NCAA sanctions in the late ’90s. Another part of the reason is the Hurricanes simply haven’t been able to win the way they used to. The program that invented swag doesn’t have much at the moment.

What it should be: It should still be possible to create a program at Miami that stockpiles elite athletes and then allows them to enjoy beating the stuffing out of less talented teams—even if it doesn’t allow some of the off-field stuff that caused issues in the glory days. Collecting that talent won’t be as easy as it was in the 1980s, when coaches from across the country didn’t quite understand the kind of athletes Dade, Broward and Palm Beach counties produce, but it’s still doable. The blah gameday atmosphere at Whatever-They’re-Calling-It-This-Week Stadium is a drawback, but Miami has upgraded its on-campus facilities. That’s where the players spend most of their time. Plus, more winning would help put some butts in the seats on Saturdays.

http://www.si.com/college-football/2015/06/26/college-football-branding-oregon-ducks-tennessee-volunteers

SinisterCane

GO CANEZ and Happy 4th of July to all

The Dude

^^^ yeah. Happy 4th and what not.

CaneRock

If the Bosh to Portland rumors are true that would suck, but Aldridge's around the basket game is too good to pass up on.

VfB_Cane

Not football related, but pretty instructive. Especially if you mess up like I did ...

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/07/03/upshot/a-quick-puzzle-to-test-your-problem-solving.html

Go Canes

@CanesFootball: ICYMI: Interview w/Darrion Owens about the season & what he hates about living w/Kc McDermott http://t.co/wPY9WE7qJx http://t.co/BvJbFDjW29

WWIN

Ima need to get this "what not" copy righted for my client TheeMackJones I see!

TonyCane

I've noted in the past some of the challenges faced by Golden. The first was 2011, having to scramble to rebuild a class that was down to two players when he arrived in December.

The second was the NCAA investigation launched in August 2011. Although State of the U gets the year wrong, the sentiment is probably correct:

"Let's set the backdrop for the 2011 Class. UM was coming off their first season under Coach Golden where they finished 3-5 in the ACC and 6-6 overall. The more significant fact to note though was that they were beginning their journey under the specter of the Nevin Shapiro allegations. All signs pointed to UM being hammered by the NCAA with sanctions and possibly the death penalty (**looking at you Mark May**). Due to the "impending doom" UM was hamstrung when it came to recruiting. Many blue chip recruits shied away from the program due to the allegations so Golden had to pick up the pieces with whatever recruits he could find that wanted to go to UM and compete."

http://www.stateoftheu.com/2015/2/7/7998775/a-look-back-at-the-2011-rercuiting-class-part-1

This bears out in the sheer numbers of players that were out of the program within two years of signing with the Canes. Of the 33 players that committed to Golden in the 2011 and 2012 classes, an astounding 21 of them were gone after year one or year two. Three more signees failed to qualify. That's 24 out of 33 players that did not stick. The eliminates veteran depth, and creates a recurring problem of playing players when they're younger (and by comparison, the 2013 class saw only 3 transfers, with 3 additional failures to qualify. The 2014 class had only one transfer.)

That brings us to the final point. Redshirts.

Another quote from State of the U probably describes the situation Miami has faced pretty well:

"When the great debate is made about if a player needs to redshirt or should play right away Armbrister's story is one seen unfortunately too often at UM over the last five years or so. Due to depth issues, specifically because of players being kicked off the team (Eddie Johnson, Gionni Paul, etc.) or injuries he's had to play sparingly too early on in his time at UM, specifically during his freshman season. Because of this he now is a senior when he should probably be a redshirt junior so that he could have another year of eligibility for his learning to continue at a steady pace."

Miami Redshirts
2011: 5
2012: 5
2013: 5
2014: 10

Coaching issues and strategy aside, these were the challenges facing the current regime since 2011. In some respects, 2014 marked the first transition to normalcy under Golden. The 2015 team will be the strongest fielded in several years. And the 2016 will give us the first signing class (since recruiting is a two year process, minimum) that was not in any way influenced by the specter of NCAA punishment. It's also the first time we'll be back to a normal scholarship limit.

In my own opinion, 2015 is equal to a blend of Butch Davis' 1998 and 1999. The two plus year NCAA investigation - coaching strategies aside - had an enormous impact on the program that any coach would have struggled to negate. Bottom line, this year and next year should be a return to form.

VA CANE

The Man speaks! Tony Thank you for your insight! As always spot on!

TonyCane

Quick edit...in 2011 and 2012 it was 21 out of FIFTY TWO players who committed that left within two years, and another four who did not qualify.

CaneRock

And the 2016 will give us the first signing class (since recruiting is a two year process, minimum) that was not in any way influenced by the specter of NCAA punishment.

Posted by: TonyCane | July 03, 2015 at 01:34 PM

What does the "not in any way influenced by the specter of NCAA punishment" term even mean?

IIRC, USC's investigation was as drawn out as ours, and they were still pulling in top rated classes. Yeah their success was more recent than ours when both school's sensation driven Yahoo stories came out, but they were still pulling in top rated classes.

TonyCane

CaneRock, the Reggie Bush investigation was in fact longer. USC was under investigation for four years, while Miami was "just" two years, three months (although if you count the time since the story actually broken locally, it's three years). Regardless, I don't recall at any point where the media was suggesting that USC was going to get the death penalty as the result of the investigation. Sanctions yes, maybe a bowl ban, but not the death penalty.

And that's the difference. While USC recruited in outstanding fashion, it was not credible for rival coaches to claim that the Trojans were going to get the death penalty. For the Hurricanes, this sanction was realistic at least for a time and always remained in the background, especially as we learned the lengths that the NCAA was going to in their investigation.

The link below express some of the shock and surprise in the media when USC got their stiff punishment:

http://lasentinel.net/usc-gets-college-football-s-death-penalty.html


Anyway, that's the key difference. No one thought that USC would be hammered the way that they were. What the Trojans received was almost unprecedented (excluding SMU). The threat to the existence of Miami's program was credible.

As for being influenced by the specter of NCAA punishment, think of it this way. Golden and other college coaches are establishing relationships with kids going into their junior years (if not earlier). The players who were part of the 2015 signing were juniors while Miami was still officially under investigation. The 2016 class were juniors in 2014, when the Miami investigation was closed. The fact that the 2016 class is stronger seems to bear this out.

Lur-ker

TonyCane -------> content provider extraordinaire

Great research. Great work. Keep it up!

The Dude

But TC, USC DID get hammered and still out-recruited Miami. I definitely recall people saying USC should get the death penalty, I can't remember if it was a major media outlet though.

The Dude

USC was the precedent for Miami, for sure, but the team that got hammered had less damage than the team that was only under speculation of penalty, that doesn't add up to me. The fact to me is this. USC was still recruiting under a CF god in Pete Carroll then to a really good recruiter with program ties in Kiffin. Miami went with an unproven coach that had to learn the job as he went. Had to learn the players, local coaches (and what not). Al was an underwhelming hire, and so far he's been an underwhelming HC.

CaneRock

TonyCane...I hear ya', and I'm not saying you're the first & only one to use that term...BUT I've never heard a post-punishment recruit use that as an excuse for not signing with UM.

That better not be an excuse if Golden posts less than desirable results this year.

NativeCane

I love fishes,
theyre so delicious!

Good article Soup, good to see the Cane family angling for a good cause!

Dem Canes!!!

Lur-ker

http://gamedayrcom.c.presscdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/hot-usc-song-girls.jpg

NativeCane

Just back from Raleigh NC.....saw The Stones at Carter Finley......does not get no better.....nuff said. Those cats are in their 70s and move better, harder and more often than our OL DL!!!!!!!!! They rocked the joint out for 2.5 hours.....If you get the chance see them....that was show #27 for me....seen every tour of North America since 1972 and saw the in Berlin in 1990!Awesome awesome show the real rock and roll!!!!!Posted by: VA Cane | July 02, 2015 at 03:28 PM

Ran away from home when I was 16 to see The Worlds Greatest RocknRoll Band play in NOLA, got a room on Canal Street and logged major carnal knowledge hours, LOL!
Seen em around 9 times, never a bad show.

Dem Canes!!!

Alex D

TonyCane, thank you for the research; great job. With that information; my next question is which players in this year's signing class is likely to redshirt (86 Cane, maybe this can be like an LOF question)? I know the class was deep with offensive linemen and with the recent departure of Taylor Gadbois and the players that left to the NFL, some of those Frosh are going to play. TonyCane didn't two lettering players on the DL, FS and another DE (suspended) all redshirted last year? Would they count towards the 2014 Freshmen class?

TonyCane

But TC, USC DID get hammered and still out-recruited Miami. I definitely recall people saying USC should get the death penalty, I can't remember if it was a major media outlet though.

Posted by: The Dude | July 03, 2015 at 03:01 PM

I didn't recall seeing speculation that USC would get the penalty, and I remember the shock in the media at how severe the sanctions were. That said, maybe there was national or local speculation that the Trojans would go the way of SMU. I just didn't see it.

Post-sanctions - what USC did was amazing. They only had 15 scholarships per year to offer, and they basically just brought in 4 and 5 star players. Absolutely incredible, and probably without precedent.


TonyCane

Not sure, Alex. I had the following players redshirting (a couple of corrections on the numbers that I posted earlier):

2011 (05): Matt Goudis, Philip Dorsett, Rashawn Scott, Eddie Johnson, Kevin Grooms
2012 (06): Jelani Hamilton, Taylor Gadbois, Rashawn Jenkins, Earl Moore, David Thompson
2013 (05): Al-Quadin Muhammad, Walter Tucker, Hunter Knighton, Ray Lewis III, Kevin Olsen
2014 (14): Ryan Mayes, Marques Gayot, Mike Smith
Demetrius Jackson, Anthony Moten, Juwon Young
Terry McCray, Joe Brown, Tyler Grimsley, Malik Rosier, David Njoku, Christopher Herndon, Darrell Langham, Tyre Brady

The Dude

It's really hard to say anyone should have recruited like USC under similar circumstances as USC pretty much recruited better than anyone under normal conditions. They are an abnormality. Maybe if Miami had everything going for it they could recruit like that.

Alex D

Thanks, TonyCane; that explains it. They added Jelani Hamilton, Earl Moore, Rashawn Jenkins and Quad Muhammad to their recruiting classes although they redshirted last year.

WWIN

UM got credit for doing a great job of recruiting during sanctions and now we're giving that credit back??? Wasn't the basketball program under the same investigation???

Bottom line is this... I just wanna win a ACC Coastal one time before I'm dead...who's out recruited us in the ACC COASTAL???

CaneRock


Maybe if Miami had everything going for it they could recruit like that.

Posted by: The Dude | July 03, 2015 at 05:46 PM

True, that's why I said they had more recent success when their sensationalized Yahoo article came out, than UM.

WWIN

Had to learn the players, local coaches (and what not). Al was an underwhelming hire, and so far he's been an underwhelming HC.

Posted by: The Dude | July 03, 2015 at 03:06 PM

In case you forgot...your copy righted word is "Toxic"

Also remember that you have diplomatic immunity to say whatever the hell you want on Canespace...on Soup's agreement

Ohio_Cane

I think Golden is finally starting to figure out how to "play the game" (See: extra early offers, offer friends/brothers/counting, etc) when it comes to recruiting SFLA. Up until now, he's relied only on his recruiting skills (which are good), and the UM name to recruit. He's missed on some elite guys because he didn't know how to play the game.

Ohio_Cane

Counting = COUSINS***

Lur-ker

Ohio, if he plays the game all the way like several SEC schools do in South Florida, he'll be committing death penalty type violations. Other schools get away with it right and left, Miami will get found out

Who do you think funds all the street agents down here. That's a cottage industry in Florida, and business is good. I mean the cost of doing business for them is a paper sack, other than having to deal with the heavy southern drawl of fat boosters from the deep South

TonyCane

LOL...picturing Southern boosters who look and act like Buford T Justice.

CaneRock


Ohio, if he plays the game all the way like several SEC schools do in South Florida, he'll be committing death penalty type violations. Other schools get away with it right and left, Miami will get found out

Posted by: Lur-ker | July 03, 2015 at 07:52 PM

Agreed.

Lur-ker

lol, I'm laughing too. It is a stereotype of course, the SEC operators (wealthy boosters with cash) are more sophisticated than that, but are masters at using street agents in south Florida. It's pretty much an open secret on the streets. Nobody talks about it, but even some guys in the media are well aware.

TonyCane

Agreed, Rock. FSU and the SEC would get a pass. Miami would be dealt with for having embarrassed the NCAA in the investigation.

86Cane

Ima need to get this "what not" copy righted for my client TheeMackJones I see!

Posted by: WWIN | July 03, 2015 at 12:56 PM

"What not" cannot be copy righted.

I tried already!

86Cane

"And what not"

Same dealio

SinisterCane

Cloud Chasers?? jk

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