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July 24, 2015

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The Dude

Uno!

Terrance Sullivan

The Godfather. Thank U Howard! Awesome picture of Howard and KYCane two Louisville Legends who love the U! Go Canes!

Terrance Sullivan

Awesome Picture of Howard and RaizeCane. Go Canes!

laquinton

Nice !!

CaneRock

CFBHOF need to stop actin' like hoes and induct Schnell.:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/fl-hyde-column-0724-20150723-column.html

Terrance Sullivan

Exactly Rock

86Cane

Now U tell me who else has photos like these?

#Classic

raizecane

Thats a nice looking shirt KY is sporting.....

86Cane

Thats a nice looking shirt KY is sporting.....

Posted by: raizecane | July 24, 2015 at 11:52 PM

Yeah, do you know where I can get one? I'd give anything for a cool shirt like that!

Terrance Sullivan

86Cane Rules! That is all!

WWIN

It's worn out like some 85 Wranglers.

Posted by: Terrance Sullivan | July 24, 2015 at 04:40 PM

Please tell that you got that line from Master P... "Break em off something"???

If so... I knew you was my boy for some reason lol

Terrance Sullivan

Yesss Sir WWIN!

Go Canes

Very interesting article:

@davehydesports: A fistfight symbolized UM's problems last year - a senior vs. a freshman. Has the generation gap been solved? Column http://t.co/HVd4xvr7wG

Go Canes

@pbpsports: Recruiting: Hurricanes commit shows up to Gators camp in Miami gear http://t.co/ra8nJodf2f

Go Canes

Another excellent article detailing another disadvantage this program was facing:

@ChristyChirinos: In tomorrow's @SunSentinel: #Canes hope new facilities give them a 'wow' factor...http://t.co/xvZsssDa10

Ohio_Cane

Shaq Quarterman showed up to Florida's FNL decked out in Canes gear! LOL, love this kid. He's like Duke in so many ways.

SinisterCane

Hyde: Has UM solved a chemistry issue this season?

After the loss, in the locker room, as the regular season finally came to its end against Pittsburgh, two University of Miami football players fought last year, as can happen at the intersection of raw anger and simmering disappointment..

The names aren't important. Nor are the thrown fists and words or the way others got involved, coaches running to help break up what became a symbol for a season gone wrong.

Senior vs. freshman.


Those were the involved players. Their class rank told the larger story of the fracture inside Miami's team, the one that took over last season in a manner coach Al Golden couldn't control and was left for matriculation to heal.

"Most of that issue is gone, just because most of those players who were so upset are," said a departed Miami senior who still is close to the program and requested anonymity. "All this talk about better unity and accountability – it's true. But then it's easy to say in the spring and summer."


It's either now or new coach. Golden won't last another season with this bulls### going on. Perhaps this chemistry/accountability is exactly what Miami needs to inject some attitude in their blood. Watching 30 for 30 on The U- it was theses attributes that made past Canes Teams as...
This isn't about a locker-room fight. The greatest Miami teams had fights. The legendary bout had Michael Irvin out-slugging George Mira Jr. for a bloody 10 minutes in the weight room as teammates stood and watched. They were too scared to break it up.

But it was Irvin who ran with teammates who had to run laps for discipline after practice to keep them company. And when teammate Matt Patchan's mother died and he had no money to get home for the funeral, Melvin Bratton went around the locker room toting a helmet.


Players put in whatever they could. One dollar. Ten dollars. Patchan flew home. That's the way those great teams were built, the way the best college teams are and the manner Golden either hasn't been able to stitch together or these players have refused to do in his four years.

All the talk and hope as Golden and Miami players talked this week during the ACC media conference was of a team more "accountable" and bent toward better team "chemistry."

But what is the lesson from last year? They were Golden recruits. They grew up in his system. When Golden talked before his first season after taking over for Randy Shannon, he put an emphasis on one word: Finish. That meant tackles, games, seasons, everything.

Last year, they didn't finish. The core of upperclassmen lost faith. The team fell apart after the Florida State loss in November, a dividing line between older players looking to the pros and younger players frustrated at the issues.

"When the older players saw there was nothing big left to really play for in the season, they started thinking of protecting themselves and the money of the pros,'' the former player said. "You can't blame them, in a way."

Alabama coach Nick Saban was laughed at nationally for recently saying the NFL draft grades for his players affected team chemistry and motivation before their bowl game. Why was the truth so funny?

Miami's season was a testament to that. Blame the outgoing players, if you want, for the manner they didn't show up for closing, double-digit losses to Virginia and North Carolina and then to South Carolina in the bowl.

But they were just doing what good businessmen do in looking out for themselves at some point. Everything before that Florida State game contributed, too. The players didn't have great faith in the coaching, especially the complicated defensive system of Mark D'Onfrio.

"Instead of winning on athletic talent, they wanted to win on a complicated system,'' the former player said. "Then we ran a three-man front at the goal-line against Virginia, and no one understood that.''

It's a fragile idea, the one of team chemistry and confidence, especially for a team that hasn't won like Miami. They feel it was rebuilt this off-season in a manner it had to be rebuilt.

The team sounds happier and motivated. They'll need to be. Seven players were drafted in April and no Hurricane was voted on the All-ACC preseason team, meaning no one's sure of the talent.

How much do chemistry and accountability really matter? Maybe we'll find out this season.

86Cane

How much do chemistry and accountability really matter? Maybe we'll find out this season.

Posted by: SinisterCane | July 25, 2015 at 09:34 AM

To me, being a Psychology major at UM, those things mean a LOT. I do believe that emotion, motivation, desire and teamwork are more important than most people realize or acknowledge. In fact, I would go as far as to say desire and motivation are what make average players very good and good players great.

Ohio_Cane

To me, being a Psychology major at UM, those things mean a LOT. I do believe that emotion, motivation, desire and teamwork are more important than most people realize or acknowledge. In fact, I would go as far as to say desire and motivation are what make average players very good and good players great.

Posted by: 86Cane | July 25, 2015 at 10:14 AM
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Agree 100%.

Would add team chemistry to that also. Take 2 teams of equal talent, 1 team with bad chemistry and 1 team with good chemistry, the team with good chemistry will win every game between them.

TheeMackJones

" But what is the lesson from last year? They were Golden recruits ( EMPHASIS ADDED ). They grew up in his system ( Again, EMPHASIZE STATEMENT ).
When Golden talked before his first season after taking over for Randy Shannon, he put an emphasis on one word: Finish. That meant tackles, games, seasons, everything. "

Dave Hyde Sports

*************************

Mr. Hyde SECONDS my notion regarding SENIORS and JUNIORS. Players whom were in the system for four or three years. Players whom were HANDPICKED by Golden and D'Onofrio!

No siree, Golden apologists. EIGHTY PERCENT of the blame for last season's EMBARRASSING season falls on Golden and D'Onofrio.

And Golden loyalists. U can put 20% of the blame on the players.

TheeMackJones

Isn't Golden also a Pysch major. Because if he is, then he and D'Onofrio are sure doing a pizz poor job of recruiting players. Simply because 85% of the motivational aspect is SELF-INDUCED and either 15% or 20% is from an external source, i.e. head coach, coordinator and position coach ( SEE Mickey getting in Rocky's face for motivation and what not. ).

TheeMackJones

Miami was winning consistently up to the 2005 season WITHOUT the ' wow ' factor of facilities. Chit, the Hurricanes seemed to do OK having winning seasons and championships in '80's, 90's and earlier portion of the 21st Century.

And the single main ingredient which kept the Canes winning all those decades was the Miami Factor. A keen factor which ALL head coaches kept, and built on, since Howard moved on.

Then U have two INTERLOPERS whom absolutely ERADICATE the Miami Mystique! Even Golden said he was CHANGHING the culture of Miami, Florida Hurricane football! Of course, one could say that the AD was involved with ERADICATING the Miami Factor, also.

TheeMackJones

Johnson was a good ol' boy from Arkansas, I believe. And he absolutely NEVER messed with the Miami Factor.

Erickson wasn't from South Florida, and he NEVER messed with the Miami Mystique.

Coker. The man is an OKIE from Muskogee for Zeus' sake. And he NEVER toyed with the Miami Mystique and naturally keptwinning with Davis' players. Unfortunately Coach Coker simply made too many recruiting BLUNDERS after the 2003 season and left a FALLING empire in the hands of that ONION HEAD. Whom passed on the Keys of the FALLEN Kingdom to Golden.

Unfortunately, Golden and D'Onofrio just don't want anything to do with the Miami Mystique and what not. And last season is an absolute indication of that becoming reality.

Again, in Golden's press conference he said he was going to CHANGE the CULTURE of Miami, Florida Hurricane football.

And if U can't connect the Orange and Green dots on what the statement implies and what not. Then may Zeus and Buddha have mercy on thee.

TheeMackJones

Don't get me wrong Golden fan club members or please don't misinterpret what I'm ranting and what not. Because Miami will surely continue to have winning seasons. Yet those winning seasons won't be the type Cane fandom are looking forward too.

CaneRock

LMAO! @ "Then we ran a three-man front at the goal-line against Virginia, and no one understood that.''

TheeMackJones

OK Golden loyalists, I'll compromise and say 2012 and 2013 seasons were seasons under the NCAA cloud. However, there was ENOUGH TALENT for Miami to finish with an 8-4 record in Golden's first year at Miami.

And to continue with a moot point. Last year was ALL on Golden and D'Onofrio, for all the obvious reasons Mr. Hyde and others ( Feldman, Mandel, Myerberg, for example. ) have pointed out.

TheeMackJones

Posted by: CaneRock | July 25, 2015 at 11:51 AM

And what about the goal-line stands against mighty Nebraska. Chit, that Herbie Cornhusker RB just waltzed into the endzone, because Miami WASN'T in some type of legitimate goal line defense. Heck, there were numerous twitter PHOTOS of some of the goal-line alignments the Canes were in. SMH

Lur-ker

I don't know who you direct your nonsensical "Golden loyalists" remarks to, but I believe everyone here is a "cane loyalist"

I have no loyalty for Golden, just the progra.as far as I'm concerned he's a paid employee, paid to do a job. Because of the circumstances of the last four years, it's been very difficult to separate results from environment, at least for many.

The last four games were indeed a very bad sign from last year. But it was inevitable that he would get a 5th year. Most people understand that. My position has always been to be optimistic and hope for the best and since he is our coach,to try to be positive about the ENTIRE team, as if those were MY kids playing for Golden.

To separate out people and berate them as "Golden loyalists" is not only counterproductive and adversarial, it also shows a lack of discernment and intellect on your part.

The Dude

CR,

That section is the problem many of us have with this staff's strategy. It is the single biggest reason Al has been a dud.

🐜🌀


To separate out people and berate them and what not as "Golden loyalists" is not only counterproductive and adversarial and what not, it also shows a lack of discernment and intellect on your part and what not.

Posted by: Lur-ker | July 25, 2015 at 12:16 PM

Fixed it for ya, he'll understand the most important part of the post and what not. Chit EVERYONE knows that.

Lur-ker

^^^^^^^^^^^^^

LOL

The Dude

That's funny Ant.

CaneRock

"All this talk about better unity and accountability – it's true. But then it's easy to say in the spring and summer."

Translation: DDSS

86Cane

Tom,

Thank U !!!

John

John Routh
Executive Director
UM Sports Hall of Fame

raizecane

If you enjoy golf, and are in the north central florida area, i am going to recommend black bear. Played it today and its a very nice course and in great shape. Red Tail is also a course I would recommend.

TonyCane

Thee Mack...I agree on the talent in year one. It was his strongest (but not most balanced team) until this year. But you do have to factor in the suspensions, as well as the usual adjustments that coaches experience in Year 1. Carroll, Stoops, and Saban all had mediocre year ones.

The Dude

^^^ how did those guys do in year 4?

30CINCO

Good thing all things were equal first 4 years for everyone. They all had to deal with the same issues.

TonyCane

Dorset and Perryman did quite well in Year 4.

Shannon's recruiting classes yielded zero first rounders, 2 second rounders, and 7 third rounders from 2010-2014 (with all of these but one coming before the 2012 season). Golden 2011 and 2012 classes have produced 2 first rounders, 1 second rounder, and 2 third rounders. They may not have produced wins on the field, but Golden's guys have proven more draft worthy to date.

TonyCane

I want to see how this season plays out. There are enough unusual extenuating circumstances to think that these four years are not the ceiling. But the excuses are gone in 2015.

CaneRock

Golden would be 20-30 if it wasn't for the likes of Duke & Dorsett...probably fired already. Those kids produced wins.

CaneRock

And Golden's 2011 team really wasn't that good. IIRC, that 2010 team had about 7-8 draft picks...Bailey,C-Mac,DVD,Hankerson,Franklin,Harris,etc..

SinisterCane

The media climate has gotten hot for Golden, he has zero margin for error

Go Canes

Posted by: SinisterCane | July 25, 2015 at 07:01 PM

Nope.

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SinisterCane

Nope.

Posted by: Go Canes | July 25, 2015 at 07:13 PM


You seem to have a inside track on what's going on, care to share you thoughts regarding All things Golden?

86Cane

Golden would be 20-30 if it wasn't for the likes of Duke & Dorsett...probably fired already. Those kids produced wins.

Posted by: CaneRock | July 25, 2015 at 06:14 PM

Another ridiculous comment. Every COACH with every TEAM has PLAYERS that produce wins.

#ThatsHowTheyWinGames

CaneRock

Goldenites...after which game can we expect ya'll to BEAT! ya'll chests like it's 2001 in dis bih!...BCC?...or FAU?

The Dude

Dang, I had a post that didn't post, but take my word for it Cinco, it cut your argument to shreds and would have converted Go Canes to my view of things.

1mg of Epi

How can a HC hide rape allegations?

And like Lurker asked, "why didn't she put a charge on them"?...did the alleged victim and her parents go to Narduzzi, instead of law enforcement?

IDK, but that's why I don't like having these convos without the facts.

Posted by: CaneRock | July 24, 2015 at 03:58 PM

Federal regulations require universities to handle allegations of student sexual misconduct occurring not only on campus, but in many cases off campus as well. Rules regarding the outward and upward referral of these cases to outside law enforcement agencies are very loose, and usually left up to the school. These allegations are "adjudicated" by the same board who decide other cases of misconduct, such as cheating, and often times the perpetrator is subject to the same punishment as the guy who cheated on an exam.

. This is why it it is not uncommon for rapists to be free to continue with their education, sometimes in the same class as their victim. It also make cover ups quite easy, not to mention legal.

The Dude

CaneRock
Goldenites...after which game can we expect ya'll to BEAT! ya'll chests like it's 2001 in dis bih!...BCC?...or FAU?
Posted by: CaneRock | July 25, 2015 at 09:28 PM

But we beat them CONVINCINGLY!!!

1mg of Epi


Nope.

Posted by: Go Canes | July 25, 2015 at 07:13 PM


You seem to have a inside track on what's going on, care to share you thoughts regarding All things Golden?
Posted by: SinisterCane | July 25, 2015 at 07:46 PM

It is absolutely correct we will never even be a top 10 in or top 20 in

He has no inside knowledge. But it is true, Als seat is not heating up... He reached a bowl game, so as far as admin is concerned he did what he had to in order to keep his job.

Go Canes

Posted by: 1mg of Epi | July 25, 2015 at 10:13 PM

Nope.

Lur-ker


Posted by: 1mg of Epi | July 25, 2015 at 10:13 PM

Double nope.

Read James recent interview in the MH with Barry and he puts out a pretty clear agenda.

1mg of Epi

My whole screened was predicated on the notion some are putting forth that the administrative financial support isn't there, and the even more ridiculous ideas that somehow athletic funds are being hurt because of support for UHealth.

Posted by: Lur-ker | July 24, 2015 at 01:44 PM

Lurker, Lurker Lurker..

You sure seem to have that air of arrogance that is reserved for only the most well informed among us. Your statements betray you.

Are you aware that Uhealth has been a financial boondoggle? Did you know that a significant percentage of Uhealth patients are uninsured and therefore can't pay? Are you aware that another significant percent of Uhealth patients are underinsured, and also unable to pay? Are you aware that Uhealth recently wasted almost $300 million on a dilapidated and wildly unprofitable cedars hospital?

Are you aware that Uhealth has been subject to extremely significant declining revenues from insurance company reimbursements? Are you aware that Uhealth has seen a sharp decrease in funding for research? Are you aware of the steep decline in money coming from Jackson Memorial Hospital, the primary teaching hospital? Are you aware of the devastating financial losses attributed to Uhealths ancillary specialty clinics?! Are you aware that not long ago Uhealth laid off close to 800 employees?

In light of all this, i would be very interested to hear you explain why it would be.... Wait, what was the word?? Oh yea..."RIDICULOUS" .... Why would it be "ridiculous" for the admin to take money coming in from athletics and divert it to something meaningful, like keeping Uhealth afloat...... in lieu of using those funds to support a child's sport?

Seriously, I would like to see a justification for your incredibly condescending statement .. Or were you just to so excited about the chance to insult someone that you decided to comment on a subject you know nothing about?

WWIN

Yesss Sir WWIN!

Posted by: Terrance Sullivan | July 25, 2015 at 06:56 AM

Like some brand new Jordan's you tied up
you sound like a chicken so it's time to get plucked

Those were the days! Lol

Lur-ker

Before you further put out any more statements that have nothing to do with reality, ARE YOU AWARE THAT ALL FUNDS EARMARKED FOR ATHLETICS STAY WITH ATHLETICS?

Are you aware that every penny I contribute to the athlete scholarship fund goes there and nowhere else?

Are you aware how ridiculous you sound saying that athletic money can go to UHealth?

Not a penny. Not a single penny.

I say that without any risk of contradiction.

Don't take my word for it. Ask people that would know and are actually familiar with the U. Some on this board. Soup and others, for example.

When you come that hard, first you better know exactly what you're talking about.

Sorry that I showed your argument about the administration not financially supporting athletics was incorrect, a couple of days ago, and now this today. I know you don't like being contradicted, so you have to come back with the arrogance and condescension argument. I get it. But wrong is wrong and facts are facts.

Sometimes we make mistakes, we're human. You may not be aware of how funding works in a university. But I can say again, with complete confidence, that UHealth, whatever their financial health, has ZERO impact on the athletic department. I don't hold it personally against you that you don't know that.

Have a good night.

1mg of Epi

Go Canes
Posted by: 1mg of Epi | July 25, 2015 at 10:13 PM

Nope.

Posted by: Go Canes | July 25, 2015 at 10:27 PM

Lur-ker

Posted by: 1mg of Epi | July 25, 2015 at 10:13 PM

Double nope.

Read James recent interview in the MH with Barry and he puts out a pretty clear agenda.

Posted by: Lur-ker | July 25, 2015 at 11:25 PM

Here's a Newsflash Lurker.... What James says to the media and what he says to people inside his program aren't always the same thing.

Lur-ker

Just read the interview with James. It's significant.

1mg of Epi

don't know that.

Have a good night.

Posted by: Lur-ker | July 25, 2015 at 11:4

My original point had zero to do with Only GIFTS or DONATIONS,

1) you're well aware we were talking about neither
2) You are far more low functioning than i thought if you think you somehow Shwed the administration provides adequate financial support.

Lur-ker

You're playing semantics now. No funding, no athletic revenue, no money made by the athletic department goes anywhere else BUT the athletic department.

Is that clear enough, or are you going to flail around some more. You are incorrect, sir.

Lur-ker

Let me make it even more clear. Every single penny generated by the athletic department or donated to the athletic department, STAYS in the athletic department.

Clear enough?

1mg of Epi

You're playing semantics now. No funding, no athletic revenue, no money made by the athletic department goes anywhere else BUT the athletic department.

Is that clear enough, or are you going to flail around some more. You are incorrect, sir.

Posted by: Lur-ker | July 25, 2015 at 11:50 PM

Semantics? Earned income vs Earmarked Donation is semantics?
Ok.....prove your point. Where is the citation? where is the link? I am honestly curious to see how revenue generated from one section is kept out of a general operating fund.

The Dude

If they weren't dumping all that money into UHealth, couldn't they dump it into athletics? I'm not saying they should because I would think UHealth is more important than football, but couldn't one say football is not the number one priority? And what not.

1mg of Epi

I'll make lurkers life easy.... In most instances about 7-10% of athletic department revenue gets pushed into either academics, scholarships, debt service etc. In many cases the accounting is done in such a way as to reduce the stated profitability.

This doesn't happen at every school, as most smaller programs do not operate in the black.

In any event, to say that athletic department revenue stays within the athletic department is simply wrong.

I don't understand why when some of us don't know about a particular subject, we have to make things up. There is no shame is not knowing everything. Lying, on the other hand....

1mg of Epi

If they weren't dumping all that money into UHealth, couldn't they dump it into athletics? I'm not saying they should because I would think UHealth is more important than football, but couldn't one say football is not the number one priority? And what not.

Posted by: The Dude | July 25, 2015 at 11:57 PM

Football is NOT the #1 priority. The problem is it hasn't been much of a priority at all.

1mg of Epi

To put things in perspective UM in 2014 had $180.5 million in net income on $2.58 billion in revenue. If football is the priority some suggest it is, it wouldn't take much creative accounting to structure a feasible buyout for a certain failed football coach.

The downside: last year saw $220 million in net income on $2.52 billion in revenue the year before. The reason for the decline.... The U's medical clinics.

1mg of Epi

Let me make it even more clear. Every single penny generated by the athletic department or donated to the athletic department, STAYS in the athletic department.

Clear enough?

Posted by: Lur-ker | July 25, 2015 at 11:53 PM

You are doing nothing more than making things up. Next your gonna tell me you own a unicorn who Craps glitter.

86Cane

Next your gonna tell me you own a unicorn who Craps glitter.

Posted by: 1mg of Epi | July 26, 2015 at 12:28 AM

Everybody knows that.

Yeah, but did you know that sea otters are one of a very few animals that use tools to open their food source?

laquinton

I find James comments simple. He wants to win games. I've watched that FSU game too many times the last games. Couple players stick out both good and bad. Al's coached, Kaaya, the defense, Al,Coley.

I felt Al should have been fired last year. Shannon was fired for the same record and results. I get why they didn't and I see why this year will be critical. Player progression will be the key factor this year. Might be able to go to the Nebraska game, which should be a W. Only team that should beat Miami is Clemson and GT . 10-2 season, but with Al. 6-6 could be it as well

Lur-ker

Here's that info.

http://www.bizjournals.com/southflorida/news/2014/11/11/university-of-miami-scores-big-financial-gain.html

Easy to google those revenue numbers. No info on athletic numbers. Zero. The numbers you looked up absolutely do not make your point.

I stand by my earlier statements. All athletic money (donations, revenues, etc.) stay with athletics. Miami is a private institution so good look finding line items online.

But here's a couple of tidbits. First, the overall athletic profit, if any, changes year to year, and is always close to the line, or not very much. In other words, chump change when it comes to the operating expenses of UHealth. I didn't make anything up, it's just well known. How do I know. As a double graduate, and with access to people that know the internals, I can say it with confidence.

Additionally, when you say football isn't the number one priority, you are right. It's not supposed to be, it's an academic institution. In no academic institution is football the number one priority. Not even Alabama.

Saying it hasn't been much of a priority at all shows clearly you don't understand how important it actually is considered internally.

Nice try with the cute little unicorn remarks, but your assertions are still completely wrong. No money goes from athletics to UHealth (or anywhere else for that matter), and football is a big priority for the school.

Go Canes

Come on,

Commingling of funds? Athletic money going somewhere else?

We don't report but I guarantee you this athletic program is not making ANY profit on its own.

Zero.

Zip.

Nada.

The notion we aware funneling any significant athletic money anywhere else is preposterous.

Go Canes

And vice versa of course.

And what not.

CaneRock


Golden would be 20-30 if it wasn't for the likes of Duke & Dorsett...probably fired already. Those kids produced wins.

Posted by: CaneRock | July 25, 2015 at 06:14 PM

Another ridiculous comment. Every COACH with every TEAM has PLAYERS that produce wins.

#ThatsHowTheyWinGames

Posted by: 86Cane | July 25, 2015 at 09:25 PM

Uhhhhhh....Golden went 2-3 when Duke & Dorsett went down in 2013. At that rate, yeah, He would've been 20-30...DUH!

Go Canes

Speaking of preposterous, I guess that makes Jimbo lucky he had Winston these last two seasons?

They lose four games withouthim last year?

CaneRock

Jimbo was 19-8 before Winston stepped foot on campus...31-10 before Winston stepped foot on the field...58-11 after Winston's 2 seasons. Jimbo was a good coach BEFORE...a good coach WITH...and WILL be a good coach AFTER Winston. Can't say the same for Al...

PS: I think FSU loses at least 2 games without Cook last year though.

mi@mic@ne

Al excels at organizing the team and motivating them to do his pre season program. He fooled me because he presents himself as a motivator in his pressers.
The problem is that he has the wrong overall philosophy that is completely different from the years we used to spank our opponent and let them know we were doing it.
So I put very little importance on what is being said right now in the press conferences. Ive heard the same corporate positivism in the past 4 years. If we play that same d and we do not open up our O and be successful in the air then it will be worse than last year. I just hope Al has learned his lesson. We play man on D and we get more imaginative on Offense.

mi@mic@ne

Your gonna see how important having Duke on the field. Even if he wasnt in the play , where he was on the field dictated how the d was attacking. Unless we have a guy whos gonna break long runs its gonna be much harder to move the ball. Its now on Kaaya.

mi@mic@ne

If we come out with this vanilla offense its gonna be a long year.

Terrance Sullivan

Yawn!!!!!!!!

CaneRock

We go 3-9 without the likes of Duke,Dorsett,Perryman,Walford,etc..

"Talent ain't enough"...when the coaching SUCKS!

CaneRock

^^^^^^^^^^ IOWs, the games those kids won last year, they won IN SPITE of the horrible coaching.

Go Canes

So when we dominated Duke, blew out Cincy, UNC and Va Tech and lost the heartbreaker with FSU it was the players. But when we took bad losses against UVA and Pitt it was the coaches.

Ok.

CaneRock

^^^^^^^^^ Yep.

Lur-ker


Posted by: Terrance Sullivan | July 26, 2015 at 10:49 AM

LOL!

86Cane

Uhhhhhh....Golden went 2-3 when Duke & Dorsett went down in 2013. At that rate, yeah, He would've been 20-30...DUH!

Posted by: CaneRock | July 26, 2015 at 09:20 AM

Somehow, through your darkly hate stained glasses, you ALWAYS miss the point. But nothing less than what I expected.

BLOG ON!

86Cane

Yawn!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Terrance Sullivan | July 26, 2015 at 10:49 AM

#Snore

#Snooze

#SleepItOff

CaneRock


Somehow, through your darkly hate stained glasses, you ALWAYS miss the point. But nothing less than what I expected.

BLOG ON!

Posted by: 86Cane | July 26, 2015 at 02:15 PM

Aaaaaand you missed the point of my response to TonyCane.

BLOG ON! back at ya'.

Terrance Sullivan

41 days until we are tailgating at Sun Life and getting ready to walk into the Stadium for the Season Kickoff Opener. We are what 10 days until Fall Camp. Glad that we finally have Lights installed at Greentree Practice Fields which should allow for our Canes to practice and be set up for any conditions and if there are the typical South Florida lightning and thundering situation arise. That practice time can still be done. Go Canes!

CaneRock

Agree on the lights Terrance...tripped me out when I heard they didn't have any.

laquinton

When Schiano said all he got from Golden was running the team like a business. I just laughed

Canezitis

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ACC Media Days: Al Golden’s First Real Interview

By Vishnu Parasuraman

ACC Media Days have come and gone, signifying the unofficial start of college football season. There are the usual highlights of the week, with media inundated in propaganda-filled media guides attempting to avoid death by coach speak. In a shocking turn of events, this year, 14 teams are really excited about the upcoming season. Miami is no exception, despite being picked to win the ACC by only two (apparently inebriated) media members.

But two things of note happened this week which I think should be addressed before discussing the overall state of the program. The first was the idea of buy-in, from a player standpoint. The second is that Miami’s head coach was subjected to an actual interview by WQAM’s Orlando Alzugaray.

UNITY?

The message has been coming from players, one after another. We’ve seen some variation of the theme that last year, as one unnamed player put it, “there were a few guys who wanted to be great, but not everyone gave their all every play.”

This year? “Right now, it’s great. This is the most unified I’ve seen since I’ve been here. The mindset of everybody on our team is great.”

I know conventional wisdom is that everything was going along fine last year, then the heartbreaking FSU loss happened, and the team collapsed. But the team was actually 3-3 in the first six games, and 3-3 in the last six games. The dominating losses against Louisville, Nebraska and Georgia Tech all happened well before the FSU letdown. The team stunk, but trying to figure out why is a challenge. There were great individual performances, from Brad Kaaya, Duke Johnson, Clive Walford, Phillip Dorsett, Denzel Perryman, and yet the team was terrible.

I’m not even remotely willing to blame those players which gave everything for this program for the team’s overall stink. Which player(s) are we talking about? We saw Anthony Chickillo sacrifice his entire career to buy in to the system. I was there in Charlottesville when Clive Walford sprinted 80 yards to chase down a defensive back on a blocked field goal and save a touchdown. Who are these bad seeds that didn’t care?

We’ve been down this road many times. Remember when the Northwestern 2008 class came in? They were the ones that were going to bring a winning attitude, and replace the “bad seeds” that Larry Coker had brought in. Four years later, they were the bad seeds that needed replacing. Those players that replaced the Northwestern 2008 class? Some of the very same bad seeds that are now being replaced. It’s enough already.

From a player and program standpoint, it IS important that they find a scapegoat mentally. It’s fine for us, as fans, to point out the obvious. That this is Al Golden’s program, he actually planted those seeds that left the program after last year, and if they’re bad, it’s his responsibility.

But players have to function in a work environment, and the coping mechanism is to blame those that are no longer there. If you’ve ever worked in a team business environment, this is not unlike what you will see there. It’s easy to blame unsatisfactory results on people that have moved on, since the worker can’t replace his/her boss.

And perhaps there are shades of truth here. The players discuss specific changes they’ve made to have more accountability. They were there, I wasn’t. They do know more. Again, though, these are buzzwords we’ve been subjected to for more than a decade without results. But, if the players believe that, if they believe the changes will help, then that is a large part of the battle, making it worthwhile. I will not, however, just accept that it was the players since departed that caused that 6-7 season. It’s the lazy excuse we’ve continually used, and it has obviously not been the problem. It’s unfair to them, and we shouldn’t engage in that discussion.

A Big O Interview

Media days for coaches are usually filled with softball interviews, for which they have canned talking points that get regurgitated ad nauseam. This is why I generally don’t even bother listening to these interviews. But there is one worth listening to, not for the answers, but for the questions. In a wide ranging interview with Al Golden, Orlando Alzugaray went “off script”, asking tough, directed questions that flustered Golden, and made for uncomfortable, yet entertaining radio. The voice of the Hurricanes, Joe Zagacki, was co-hosting with Alzugaray and it made for a tense, good cop, bad cop routine.

I encourage everyone to listen to it here, although I will paraphrase some of it for discussion purposes.

The first hint of where the interview is going is when Alzugaray asks if Golden saw similar unity at Temple, when he did have success, in a mildly, if unintentionally, sarcastic manner, as if to imply that Golden has not had success since.

At this point, Alzugaray abandons the subtle approach, and flatly asks Golden if he is going to produce results, points out that the team was flatly better than UVA and Pitt and shouldn’t have lost to them, and owns his public position, stating that he is one of the people that has lost faith in Golden. It is here where Golden, I believe, realizes that he is not getting the hometown interview, and begins to mangle his talking points.

He tries to pivot to a discussion about the improvement to facilities, but instead says, “my faith when we had no facilities and we had no training table and we weren’t paying for summer school, and through all the rainouts and all that, my faith has never diminished in this program.” No one is asking whether or not he has faith in the University of Miami program. The question was about what he can do to restore faith in himself from those that believe in the greatness of the program after four years of abhorrent performance.

But even what he does say is ridiculous. No facilities, no training tables, rainouts? What he was trying to do was talk up all the facility upgrades, and there have been many, but instead just went overboard in talking down what was there beforehand. When I was in school at Miami from 1999-2003, I often would walk past Hecht Athletic Center and mistake it for North Korea, so perhaps he does have a point. As far as rainouts, I don’t know what to tell him. It rains frequently in Miami. I’m pretty sure it rained at times between 1983-1991, when Miami won 4 national championships.

When Golden tries to pivot to a discussion of recruiting, and how much stronger it’s getting, Alzugaray is ready. What makes this interview so unique is that we’ve seen time and again, Golden come with stats prepared, transition general questions to those stats, then laundry-list them. By the time anyone has a chance to actually fact check those stats post-press conference, it’s too late. The reason the questions asked here are so strong is that Alzugaray has facts, and asks directed questions.

When Golden tries to discuss recruiting improvements, and uses the scandal as an excuse (saying hilariously that kids in Tampa, Jacksonville and Orlando wouldn’t even visit), Alzugaray nails him on it, pointing out how many players the Canes have had drafted in relation to the teams that are beating them, and then lands a haymaker by pointing out how poor Al Golden teams are in the second half when trailing at halftime (specifically citing the 3-17 record).

Of course, Golden talks around this, causing an exasperated Alzugaray to finally ask if there are going to be any changes defensively. Golden pretends like he doesn’t really understand the question before giving some generic response about the defense “constantly evolving.”

But the best was yet to come. The final question does not play well on radio, but probably is the most telling about the level of spin the answers were devolving into. Alzugaray shows Golden this infamous play, and asks Golden to explain what is happening:


Golden talks about filling gaps, and reacting, to which Alzugaray correctly responds that there is no time to react, since there is only one yard to the end zone. There are five players too far away from the play to stop it.

This is where it gets testy, as Golden points out — the Canes are 6-1 against option teams, which is absurd. He is correct on the record, but they haven’t defended well. The last three times the Canes have faced Georgia Tech, they’ve allowed 36, 30, and 28 points. The only difference in 2014 is that the Canes didn’t outscore the Yellow Jackets. The defense “lost” to the Georgia Tech offense three years in a row. Responding to a specific and detailed question about a defensive play call with an answer about overall team success is not just a deflection, but also mildly insulting.

As Golden prepares to exit the interview, Alzugaray almost apologizes for asking the GT question, and says he had just never seen a defense like that in short yardage before. Golden’s response was that the Canes stopped them using that formation two years ago. Immediately, Alzugaray pounces, and asks if it was the same formation. Golden backtracks and says it was a “variance.” Here is that formation:

The only way you call the differences between those two formations a “variance” if you mean that they are both variations on a play where the Canes have 11 players on the field.

These were questions many have been begging for, and while the answers we got ranged from evasive to insulting, it was certainly refreshing to hear them asked.

2015: Time to Win the Conference

This isn’t a charity, and we should not yield in terms of what a University of Miami football team should accomplish in Year 5 of a coach’s regime. But I do have some sympathy for Golden. He should have been fired already but wasn’t. He has the same exact record as Randy Shannon did through four years.

The net result of the administration’s refusal to pull the trigger is that Golden is forced to defend an indefensible record to a fan base that largely does not want to hear anything from him. There is nothing that he can say to make things better. Obviously, if he wins big, there will be a crow eating session, and I’ll be at the front of the line. But what he’s asked to do here, in terms of preseason, is impossible.

The negativity and division in the fan base is unlike anything I’ve ever witnessed. The most common question I get asked is what I think it will take for him to get fired. The truth is I don’t know. But merely having that discussion in July is a harbinger of bad things to come.

I can tell you what it should be. He should have to win the ACC.* Why? Because at the end of the year, he needs to be evaluated on his five-year resume. So far, he has had one solid 9-4 season (2013), and three well-below-standard seasons. Is adding another solid season (8-9 wins) tangibly going to change anything? Of course not. Five years and only two acceptable seasons, none actually up to Miami’s standards. No one should keep their job for that. If Golden is to keep his job, he needs a scalp — an ACC Championship. Note that I’m not saying ACC Coastal. That baby step sailed when the team had a losing record in 2014.

*I’ll just throw the disclaimer in here…obviously if the team goes 12-0 then loses the ACC Championship Game, or goes 11-1 and loses the ACC Coastal because another team went 12-0, he shouldn’t be fired. I’m discussing more realistic scenarios. If there is an aberration, then there is an aberration and you adjust to that.

We must also guard against the urge to use 2014 as some sort of baseline. I already see that happening. Yes, seven-plus wins will improve on 2014, but to use that as a barometer is to give him credit for massively underachieving. Expectations are so low because he took a team with seven draft picks and had a losing record. But that’s his fault, and in 2015, that shouldn’t be used to defend him. Anything short of an ACC Championship will mean he will have gone five years without accomplishing anything of note, in which more than half those seasons were horrible. That is certainly worthy of dismissal.

Now, the school’s expectations are clearly different. And this is where we are in the great unknown. They fired Golden’s predecessor for the exact same record, putting us in uncharted territory. There is an Athletic Director who was promoted in house after several quit. There is a new school president who might be looking to make a big splash (meaning Golden is on a really short leash) or who might be leery of making any big financial moves early in his tenure (meaning Golden has a lot more leeway).

Before last year, I think we all thought 6-7 would get Golden fired. Yet he’s still here. Lest we copy Golden and fail to learn from the past, this should at least dissuade those who are contemplating cheering for Golden to fail, because they feel that he needs to be removed for the program to move forward. Even if he fails catastrophically by our standards, those will not be the same standards on which his employment will be determined. So, perhaps it’s best to follow Cane great Phillip Buchanon’s advice (which as far as I know was not directed at Canes football in any way):

The Canes need a reset, badly.

I wanted that reset to happen by way of a new coach. It didn’t happen. So I’ll move forward with the coach we have. It will be impossible, particularly if the season goes south, to separate the Golden Era discussion from the individual games being played. I won’t pretend to speak for all fans, I won’t begrudge anyone who checks out. One of the great parts of being a fan is that you can support (or not) the team however you see fit. The “fan police” should not exist.

But even if the season progresses as the last did, and it becomes apparent that Golden must go, there are still players’ careers here. They don’t get to start over; they don’t get a year back. For some, this will be their last year. For all, this will represent 25 percent of their college experience.

I’ll cheer for them. Even if they are 0-11, I’ll cheer for them to win that 12th game. And I’ll cheer for Golden to succeed, even if I think it won’t happen. I’d rather be wrong and have a great football program, then be right and endure another restart.

ACC Media Days simply reinforced the dichotomy of the hope of a new season juxtaposed against the absolute dread of soft coverage's, slow play offensively, and another subpar season. This dance, of Golden pretending everything is moving along nicely while sharks circle, will continue all season, until results break one way or another. Until then, we can hold on to hope. Hope that it finally clicks. If Wake Forest can win the ACC, so can Miami. This may be naïve stupidity on my part, but much like the player’s coping mechanism is to put last year’s failures on internal attitude issues, my coping mechanism is to hope the Canes find that greatness that we all know the players possess, and that we’ve seen coach after coach fail to expose.

And that is perhaps the silver lining for Golden and these Canes. That they simply need to play up to their ability to compete for an ACC Championship. That if the season gets off to a good start, the theme of unity will be reinforced, and can snowball into a great season, much like early losses last year doomed Miami to a championship-less season. Whether Golden should be here or not is now an academic point. He is here and has been given this opportunity. I hope he runs with it.

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Yep and yep.

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@ByTimReynolds: I don't know a magic number. I would think it's more about how they play and if they quit again with a month left. https://t.co/YWTVllRcuC

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Yep and Yep and what not :)

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Posted by: sinistercane | July 26, 2015 at 08:33 PM

Interesting article! Lol

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