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January 13, 2018

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86Cane

This blog is for Terrance Sullivan.

That is all.

roachcane77

As a current high school tennis coach, I appreciate the blog as well!

Go Canes!!

Found this on CIS, it’s from warchant. Maybe we are overstating how much of a problem we have with players leaving early?:


"For my research, I chose six other programs that I thought were somewhat similar to Florida State -- Alabama, Clemson, Florida, LSU, Miami and Ohio State. I then looked up how many early entries each school has had since the end of the 2013 season, including the ones who have declared in recent days.

LSU has had more early entries than anyone over the last five years with 21.

Clemson will likely be at 21, too, when its two terrific defensive linemen declare. What are those dudes waiting on anyway?

Florida State is currently at 20.

So is Florida.

Alabama, which had five players declare on Thursday, is currently at 18.

Ohio State is at 15.

Miami, which I included because it’s a rival -- but doesn’t really belong on this list because it hasn’t won anything since I had hair -- has had 11"

Posted by: 1mg of Epi | January 13, 2018 at 10:36 PM

Go Canes!!

Haven’t had too many guys make bad decisions since the Northwestern crew a few years back.

Seems like Yesrby just hated school and Norton was going no matter what.

nemo2002

Good news. The IPF is rapidly taking shape.

1mg of Epi

Yesrby just hated school and Norton was going no matter what.

Posted by: Go Canes!! | January 14, 2018 at 06:15 AM

The narrative seems to be that Miami can’t keep its draft eligible players, resulting in a depth problem. Meanwhile the elites are able to keep players for 4 years giving them an advantage.

Based on those numbers above, that narrative seems false.

Herbieibis

No they all have had way more talent and last night 2 DL, a LB and DB, for Clemson are staying. We’ve had some who thought they were better than they were leave but I’ll have to admit, most Miami players are better pro players than college, for the most part!
The reverse side of that, with all the talent Bama has had the last 8 years leave early, aside from Landon Collins, Julio Jones and Cooper who else has really done anything else? They are the flip side of us.
In our hay day we not only had great college players, but had great All-Pros 2.

WWIN

Based on those numbers above, that narrative seems false.

Posted by: 1mg of Epi | January 14, 2018 at 10:28 AM

I think it's false... sure it hurts now when we're not at capacity roster size wise... but when we get back to 85 it shouldn't matter as much. Getting 3 good years out of a player should be enough.

nemo2002

Good point WWIN. More numbers should translate as more depth. And more depth ought to offset numbers of early exits by NFL prospects.

TonyCane

The early entries to the NFL are a consistent issue for Miami going back at least twenty years.

Yatil Green for instance was a junior. Bring the former first rounder back and how different are the 1997 Hurricanes? I believe Tremaine Mack was as well. Add him to the roster and the Canes probably make a bowl game.

Let's flash forward to Larry Coker's last year. What if Devin Hester, Sinorice Moss, and Kelly Jennings had returned for the 2006 season? I can almost guarantee that Larry Coker would have been our coach for one more year. Kyle Wright would have been far closer to the player he was in the 2005 season - the Canes offense would not have been anemic and we would not have seen punters and cornerbacks converted to wide receivers.

Then there's the 2015 season. Early departures were Ereck Flowers and Duke Johnson. Give Brad Kayaa a bit of extra protection and put Duke into the game against Florida State and its possible that Golden finally beats the Seminoles. And is still our coach in 2016, as I doubt the admin would fire him if Clemson was his first loss.

Early departures go up when the pool of draftable talent goes up, and is commiserate with the amount of talent that could potentially be first rounders. I would be surprised that it is any different historically at USC or Ohio State. I know that at this point, it's no different at Texas.

CoCane

With Kul coaching, I think Willis, Ford, Bethel and even Martin will be fine.

Go Canes!!

Agree with Co 💯

His Royal Dudeness

Posted by: WWIN | January 14, 2018 at 10:54 AM

100%. And making sure we get quality 3* players so that they can redshirt, and count for next year matters a bunch. You have to have depth that makes sense.

Terrance Sullivan

86 Thanks for this Brotha. Of course we will be checking out the Lady Canes as part of the Canespace Four Play on the weekend of March 2nd through March 4th. The schedule of events are Women's Tennis and Baseball on Friday Night March 2nd, Men's Basketball and Baseball Double Header on Saturday March 3rd. and a catch of the action of Women's Tennis and or Baseball on Sunday for a about a hour before we depart Coral Gables Sunday afternoon heading back to our Homes north. Cant wait to hang with my Canespace Family in early March in Miami!

His Royal Dudeness

Posted by: CoCane | January 14, 2018 at 11:12 AM

You are probably right, but 3 of those guys are pass rushers.

Terrance Sullivan

So the Schedule is Friday Women's Tennis and Baseball, Saturday Men's Basketball and Baseball Double Header. Sunday is returning home.

BigWindyCane1

With Kul coaching, I think Willis, Ford, Bethel and even Martin will be fine.

Posted by: CoCane | January 14, 2018 at 11:12 AM

Go Canes!!
Agree with Co 💯

Posted by: Go Canes!! | January 14, 2018 at 11:36 AM

Yep. McIntosh and Norton came here as three stars and left as draft-able players. That’s called player development. The Canes do need a lot more depth. A few juniors leave from Clemson and Alabama, and they have enough depth to sustain the quality of their rotations at almost every position. As Tony, Nemo and WWIN alluded to, the Canes haven’t built that same level of depth yet, but IMO they are getting there.

The greatest Canes defenses were always built on outstanding play at the DT positions. All of the DTs the Canes have are good, but I have my eye on Ford. Ford was good in high school, but he was never really pushed that hard. Ford has really grown into manhood over the last season. If Ford continues to develop this offseason under Coach Kul, he could be the next great Canes DT. If you have ever seen Ford stand next to Norton and McIntosh, you will see that he is noticeably bigger. Ford didn’t play much, but I liked what I saw when he did play. At times, you could see on a few plays that Ford is very athletic for his size. I will not be surprised if he took a Big next step and become an elite ACC DT under Coach Kul.

His Royal Dudeness

Posted by: BigWindyCane1 | January 14, 2018 at 12:13 PM

I kind of think they are going pro because we had to use them too soon. So now they have miles on their bodies. Instead of being redshirted to build their bodies, then as RS freshmen, get some reps and build their bodies more, then as RS sophmores been apart of the rotation, then as RS juniors played really well as starters, then come back as seniors playing for their draft spot. Instead, they were asked to start (last year) a year too soon. Good roster management still says that if they had a big JR season, they could go... that means you need to have another group of ready bodies behind them. Freshman get reps, Sophmores get rotation, Juniors get starts, Seniors get starts. There are obviously some slight variations and some players may not work out, but those guys NEED to find another college to play at.

His Royal Dudeness

Posted by: His Royal Dudeness | January 14, 2018 at 12:43 PM

This is all a bunch of thinking out loud here so ignore it if you want... but say we end up with Nesta, Briggs and Chatman...

We need to anticipate that because Nesta & Briggs are 4* players, and we need them to get playing time because of our depth, they will declare after their Jr seasons. Chatman however as a 3*, gets to play in 4 games and RS and build his body.

1. **** (FR) DT Nesta 6'2" 300
2. **** (FR) DT Briggs 6'4" 270
3. *** (FR) DT Chatman 6'2" 270

Next year after training and all that Chatman is going to be LIKE a 4* Fresman, meaning we only need 1 DT. If we get a 2nd DT, then we only need 1 in 2020.

1. **** (SO) DT Nesta 6'2" 305
2. **** (SO) DT Briggs 6'4" 285
3. *** (*FR) DT Chatman 6'2" 285
4. **** (FR) DT Sorrells 6'3" 270

assuming the 4 star doesnt gets redshirt again, the next year looks like

1. **** (JR) DT Nesta 6'2" 305
2. **** (JR) DT Briggs 6'4" 300
3. *** (*SO) DT Chatman 6'2" 300
4. **** (SO) DT Sorrells 6'3" 285
5. & 6. Could be a *** (*FR) and a **** (FR) or two **** (FR) depending on how advanced scouting & recruiting goes.

By now we could be in a position where we could ask 4 star players to redshirt and tell 5 star players they wont, thus upgrading the rotation's talent level. I think this rotation is how teams like Wisconsin constantly have great offensive lines.

His Royal Dudeness

Posted by: His Royal Dudeness | January 14, 2018 at 12:58 PM

If Nesta & Briggs jump after their JR years, look at what you are replacing it with, 2 rotation sophmores that shouldnt be too much drop off, and two more high caliber players backing them up. Id say with an 85 man roster, we should have 7-8 DTs on the roster per year.

His Royal Dudeness

Posted by: His Royal Dudeness | January 14, 2018 at 01:01 PM

Assuming its Chatman and Sorrells taking over at DT as JRs in 2021, itd be their 1st year as true starters, maybe they both go pro again, maybe only one of them, maybe they both come back because they dont have as many miles on them early on.

K. Theres always something that can pop up and change the plan a bit but the plan should have really good answsers to anything that can happen. Thats how the best coaches keep winning. Its all in the prep and planning. Thats my opinion.

86Cane

More numbers should translate as more depth. And more depth ought to offset numbers of early exits by NFL prospects.

Posted by: nemo2002 | January 14, 2018 at 11:05 AM

There IT is right there.

86Cane

Getting 3 good years out of a player should be enough.

Posted by: WWIN | January 14, 2018 at 10:54 AM

Like 3 good years outta a blogger?

I got some bad news WWIN. We are going to have to "re-structure" your client's contract (His Royal Dudeness) to help pay for salary increases for TonyCane, BigWindyCane and Nemo2002.

Please have your people contact my people so we can do lunch and discuss. Thank you.

The Management

His Royal Dudeness

I was also thinking, since football is all about prep and planning....

You look at the difference between 5* and 4* players and its almost alwayd the case that the 5* just has a more powerful and athletic body. Some kids have it naturally and some kids hit the weights hard, plan their workouts, prep their training. Bama gets most of the 5* kids, so they are getting kids who already buy into the process of being great, they get that its a grind and they have embraced it.

86Cane

I think this rotation is how teams like Wisconsin constantly have great offensive lines.

Posted by: His Royal Dudeness | January 14, 2018 at 12:58 PM

Never mind. After this quality post we will not touch his "Ranchise Player" tag. He remains our highest paid blogger.

May have to cut some other bloggers to keep us under the blogging salary cap? HillView, Sinister, Epi or KYCane may have to go?

His Royal Dudeness

Posted by: 86Cane | January 14, 2018 at 01:18 PM

I hope you dont expect me at practice next week.

His Royal Dudeness

Posted by: 86Cane | January 14, 2018 at 01:25 PM

I dont want to tip my hand, but Im willing make a deal. My legacy as a 1 blog poster means something to me.

86Cane

Watching Jax at Pitt. CB Artie Burns (Pitt) covering WR Allen Hurns (Jax). Sean Spence at LB (Pitt). #NFLU

HillViewCane

Posted by: TonyCane | January 14, 2018 at 11:08 AM

An angle not often discussed is that if we were actually allowed to pay players more might stay until graduation. Now that is only a guess on my part but I have heard a lot of athletes say that playing in college was way more fun than their respective leagues.

It is tough being broke. If you gotta chance at some money...it's hard to pass up. If no one in your family makes close to 50k a year than a a chance for 300k a year would be like winning the lottery, if the odds for the lottery were great. Not saying it's the case for everyone who leaves early but just something to consider.

86Cane

Practice? Now we talking bout practice? PRACTICE???

HRD don't need no stinkin practice!

His Royal Dudeness

Posted by: HillViewCane | January 14, 2018 at 01:35 PM

If the NFL wants to pay them while they are in school, Im good with that. The schools also need to do more for these kids after college. Like unlimited healthcare & education.

86Cane

HillView...but why settle for $300k now when you could get $1M next year?

His Royal Dudeness

Posted by: HillViewCane | January 14, 2018 at 01:35 PM

I also think we should have a program for former players that want to become coaches. We should be reaching out to former players like Ken Dorsey to advise him on his growth as a coach.

His Royal Dudeness

Posted by: 86Cane | January 14, 2018 at 01:57 PM

Because injuries. Why cant the NFL draft the kid, pay him his 300k and tell him to go back to school?

86Cane

OL Linder (Jax) was holding LB Spence (Pitt) but it was not called.

Jax 21, Pitt 0 Second quarter.

Sorry Vince!

His Royal Dudeness

Posted by: His Royal Dudeness | January 14, 2018 at 01:59 PM

Maybe not 300k, but like 75k...

86Cane

Because injuries. Why cant the NFL draft the kid, pay him his 300k and tell him to go back to school?

Posted by: His Royal Dudeness | January 14, 2018 at 01:59 PM

That is why ALL the HIGHER RATED Clemson kids came back? Yeah, OK whatever. Think before you argue.

His Royal Dudeness

Posted by: 86Cane | January 14, 2018 at 02:00 PM

They came back because Clemson can realisticly win a title next year and they want to do that. Miami isnt winning the title next year, not even close.

1mg of Epi

Posted by: Herbieibis | January 14, 2018 at 10:39 AM

They really haven’t had that much more talent. They may have more elites, but Miami has put as many in the league as anybody.

His Royal Dudeness

Posted by: 1mg of Epi | January 14, 2018 at 02:24 PM

More elite talents is more talent.

86Cane

They came back because Clemson can realisticly win a title next year and they want to do that. Miami isnt winning the title next year, not even close.

Posted by: His Royal Dudeness | January 14, 2018 at 02:04 PM

No your argument was that they were not coming back because of fear of injury. The other argument was that they were leaving to get paid. Neither had anything to do with winning a title. Can't switch horses in midstream just to make it look better.

And if Miami is not winning a national Championship next year, "NOT EVEN CLOSE" as you put it, maybe we should ALL take the year off?

#ThatsTheTicket

ColaCane

Anybody have the scoop on Briggs? I don't have Premium content on Canesport and don't know what happened after FSU visited him.

HillViewCane

Posted by: 86Cane | January 14, 2018 at 01:57 PM

Because of quality of life. For example Doctors make this decision all of the time. They can often make double in small towns than they do in big cities but most still chose big cities if they can. Money is a huge thing don't get me wrong ,but only up to a point.

Hell living in Miami with a little money in your pocket is way better than living in Tuscaloosa like a king, but living with no money in Miami...pfft. Thus the Clemson success in recruiting

HillViewCane

Most people only need enough money to be comfortable. Some need more and more but most just want to not have money worries.

His Royal Dudeness

Posted by: 86Cane | January 14, 2018 at 03:36 PM

Its all of it.

86Cane

#AllTheAbove

His Royal Dudeness

Posted by: 86Cane | January 14, 2018 at 04:02 PM

You are right my post was incomplete...

its like Ive been saying, in football its every single detail perfected. Staff, drills, recruiting, time off, gameday, all of it.

WWIN

Posted by: His Royal Dudeness | January 14, 2018 at 12:43 PM

I think redshirting is overrated

His Royal Dudeness

Posted by: WWIN | January 14, 2018 at 04:38 PM

How so?

WWIN

Posted by: nemo2002 | January 14, 2018 at 11:05 AM

Thanks... yes sir!

WWIN

Posted by: 86Cane | January 14, 2018 at 01:18 PM

😂😂😂

Nemo only shows up here every other blue moon... NO SIR!

HRD been putting in major work lately!

WWIN

How so?

Posted by: His Royal Dudeness | January 14, 2018 at 04:39 PM

Because... you're good player's are going to leave after 3yrs regardless of if they're a junior or redshirt sophomore most of the time... and your decent players will play for 4yrs

BigWindyCane1

And if Miami is not winning a national Championship next year, "NOT EVEN CLOSE" as you put it, maybe we should ALL take the year off?

#ThatsTheTicket

Posted by: 86Cane | January 14, 2018 at 03:36 PM

Who knows what would be possible this season with the Canes best difference-makers healthy, Walton and Richards. IMHO, the Canes would have been a better scoring team, and could have made a difference in the 3 losses

Next season, Richards will be healthy and Thomas, HARLEY and Dallas will have more experience. Pope, Lingard and More playmakers are on their way. Rosier will either get better, or he won’t start. The Canes will be better on offense, no doubt.

Also, In spite of the departure of Norton and McIntosh, the Canes will have more quality depth on defense. IMO, I am excited for next season

His Royal Dudeness

WW,

A RS So should only be in the rotation, unless he is outstanding, otherwise he should be behind 2 Jrs and maybe a Sr. Hed also have another So or RS So in his class that he fights for time with. So even if he was your best player and decided to go pro, youd still have a bunch left over. If he outshown the 2 Jrs, then probably 1 comes back, here's what you'd return the next year.

1. Sr DT
2. Jr DT
3. So DT
4. So DT
5. Fr DT
6. Fr DT

^^^ That would be good enough to win. You just keep the system going. It would only really hurt if it happened a bunch of years in a row, and all of your Sophs were RS Sophs, some would be getting reps as true Sophs.

His Royal Dudeness

The other thing is it really lets you cherry pick your class and use the early signing period to your advantage. Again pretend we get all 3 this year.

1. Nesta
2. Briggs
3. Chatman

If we redshirt Chatman, hes now a Surge19 DT that has his body and mind ready to fire. Now for early signing period we get another 4* that will not redshirt. Lets say thats Sorrells.

1. SO DT Nesta
2. SO DT Briggs
3. *FR DT Chatman
4. FR DT Sorrells

Now we are in late December and based on what 2020 looks like, we can decide whether we want to take another kid on to RS, meaning now we can afford to take on a kid that needs a year to develop, because we expect that a year with the team will get him right. The redshirt matters.

His Royal Dudeness

^^^ Being 1 ahead, allows us to a) get early signing leverage and then b) allows to be more specific with who we are targeting. Do I redshirt a DT now, or is next years 305/954 crop of DTs outstanding and interested?

1mg of Epi

other bloggers to keep us under the blogging salary cap? HillView, Sinister, Epi or KYCane may have to go?

Posted by: 86Cane | January 14, 2018 at 01:25 PM

That’s it. I DEMAND a trade.

1mg of Epi

More elite talents is more talent.

Posted by: His Royal Dudeness | January 14, 2018 at 02:36 PM

Not in terms of the discussion. 1 nfl prospect equals 1 NFL prospect.

His Royal Dudeness

^^^ No way. A Sam Shields does not = a Sean Taylor.

His Royal Dudeness

Chad Thomas is crutin' Chatfield.

Herbieibis

I see most of u are putting the cart before the horse with the maybe DT’S we might get but flip that script and say we don’t get Briggs or Silvera, then what? This has been my dam beef for years we shouldn’t be in this situation where we have to walk on egg shells about getting 1 DT, much less 2. We all have thought we would get some kid only to lose him to someone else. Hell, Neither Bethel, Willis or Martin tip the scales much over 285, DE’S for Bama. If we run up against these power running teams like a Whisky or Bama we better have some A-A playing DT at 285.

His Royal Dudeness

Posted by: Herbieibis | January 14, 2018 at 05:55 PM

You aint never lied Herbie. Thats why 2 per class, and red shirts matter. Should be looking for a NT per class and a DT per class. Also Bama plays with 3 DL, thats why theyre so big. Also you notice they emphasize size in recruiting? They realize those kids that work hard to get beefy are already process oriented. Details.

Herbieibis

Yeah Dudeness, that and those 215 LB running backs they bring in. U don’t see them bringing in 185 RB’S but of course they run the pro-style so size at RB is imperative for them. Defensively they run a 3-4 , so yeah they want bigger in their front 7.

1mg of Epi

because Clemson can realisticly win a title next year and they want to do that. Miami isnt winning the title next year, not even close.

Posted by: His Royal Dudeness | January 14, 2018 at 02:04 PM

If one of our QBs turns out to be elite, we can beat anybody next year. If any of our QBs turns out to be pretty good, and the ball bounces our way a few times, we can beat about anyone/

Herbieibis

Not enough depth of talent yet, to entertain that idea, coastal yes but our biggest problem is playing on the road, where we stink!

86Cane

I DEMAND a trade.

Posted by: 1mg of Epi | January 14, 2018 at 05:19 PM

Dear Sir:

With all due respect I ask you to please review (In your current contract) page 36, Section 17: Trade Clauses.

Paragraph 3, line 4 states: "Said blogger will agree to a No Trade Clause (henceforth referred to as NTC) in their contract except at the will and discretion of the Blog Owner."

1mg of Epi

^^^ No way. A Sam Shields does not = a Sean Taylor.

Posted by: His Royal Dudeness | January 14, 2018 at 05:33 PM

Sam shields accounted for 1 drafted player.
Sean Taylor accounted for 1 drafted player.

I wasn’t arguing Alabama’s net talent is equal to Miami. I was arguing both teams have sent about the same number of players to the league over the last decade or so.

1mg of Epi

With all due respect I ask you to please review (In your current contract) page 36, Section 17: Trade Clauses.

Paragraph 3, line 4 states: "Said blogger will agree to a No Trade Clause (henceforth referred to as NTC) in their contract except at the will and discretion of the Blog Owner."

Posted by: 86Cane | January 14, 2018 at 06:33 PM

D’oh!!!!!

His Royal Dudeness

Posted by: 1mg of Epi | January 14, 2018 at 06:25 PM

Our offense would be really good for Matt Stafford or Andrew Luck. Make no mistake about it, our route concepts are for big boy QBs. So yeah, if Nkosi is a top 5 pick at QB, we're gonna have a chance to win the ACC, but I still think there are a bunch of DLs out there that can get to anyone we put behind center. We aint gonna win until we have depth and talent figured out. This having a plan for depth and talent the CF equivalent of Moneyball.

roachcane77

So no 10th coach hired?

roachcane77

Good news...

Miami Top100 wide receiver signee Mark Pope says he will be in Coral Gables in a few weeks.

Pope told InsideTheU on Sunday that he plans to move into his dorm on January 22nd.

As of last week it was still up in the air on wheter or not the U.S. Army All-American out of Miami Southridge would enroll early.

Miami starts classes on Jan. 16 with Jan. 24 marking the last day of registration.

His Royal Dudeness

Posted by: roachcane77 | January 14, 2018 at 07:06 PM

Nope. I have no idea why waiting is a good thing.

Go Canes!!

Posted by: Herbieibis | January 14, 2018 at 05:55 PM

There’s no choice but to do what they do. Any Miami caliber DT is sitting on 30 plus ffers to every top program in the country.

What do you tell that kid? Standby and if Briggs and Silvera bail we’ll take you on signing day?

You’d never get that guy on the phone again.

Herbieibis

Go,
It don’t matter what u tell them. I’m saying we shouldn’t be in this position with our DEE line, whether it be DE Or DT. We have 4 DT’s Period and we have 3 DE’S on the roster right now. We have Rouseau and who knows what he is going to be! Who else we got at DT besides a bunch of undersized players?

His Royal Dudeness

Posted by: Herbieibis | January 14, 2018 at 08:55 PM

We are really banking on Ford being an anchor and Nesta being able to help coming out of high school. Other than that we are waiting on dudes to grow. My hope is that we can grab a JC guy thats 6'3" and weighs 325, but at this point Im really doubting that. Briggs can help right away against the run at DE. I think he can be almost as good as Chad was in that role. Then he can bulk up another 20 and move inside. Chatman is key buddy, because he can also do what Briggs can do. Now they say hes 6'3" 260 but he looks 6'2" to me. If we land all three of those kids, here's my plan... if the new redshirt rule goes through, then Chatman gets some mop up reps if hes doing all his training & school, but never enough reps to disqualify him from redshirting. If the rules stay the same then the kid redshirts and is 1 of my 2 DTs minimum for next year. My staff is doing everything it can to identify a serious DT prospect next year and convince him to sign early. I might sign another DT if I got 2 studs that totally buy in. Or if theres a 3* project I like out there.

Go Canes!!

Of course it matters what you tell them.

You're making it seem like Miami, Clemson, Bama caliber DTs are a dime a dozen. They're the hardest position in college football to get and even elite programs have to wait for them to decide.

Going into the season there's no way to know Fines, DJ and the two junior DTs were going to bolt or that Willis was going to be a non contributor.

The only solution to our lack of depth at a ton of positons is time.

86Cane

Who else we got at DT besides a bunch of undersized players?

Posted by: Herbieibis | January 14, 2018 at 08:55 PM

Don't bother talking sense into Go Canes.

According to him we have no faults.

His Royal Dudeness

I actually now we shouldnt have redshirted Perry. If he was the 2nd best QB he should have played mop up duty. It would have been better roster management.

Next years QB depth would have made a bunch more sense. E. Shirreffs should transfer to start somewhere, unless he wants to be a career backup.

1. *SR Rosier
2. *Jr Shirreffs
3. So Perry
4. *Fr Weldon
5. Fr Williams

Now Williams would be a *So when Perry is a Sr, or Weldon would be a *Jr starting.

Go Canes!!

Posted by: 86Cane | January 14, 2018 at 09:23 PM

Even you are smarter than this.

Well maybe not, but try and keep up anyway.

We lost FIVE interior linemen this season etiher by early entree, suspension or transfer. That does not include graduating seniors.

There are not FIVE Miami calibler DTs just begging to come here.

It is going to take time.

It's not a fault, it's called buidling a roster.

The only one blind to our faults is you, who rips the whole staff for "underachieving" one day, then points out our glaring holes the next.


Herbieibis

Go u ain’t hearing me, u’re listening but not hearing me. I know we ain’t getting every DT that Bama And some of the other big time programs get, what The Herb is saying , is that we shouldn’t be in this position, if we would recruit the position hard each year. We recruit it like it’s poison Ivey, an inconvenience, if u will. Ships are effing won by defense, eventually!

Go Canes!!

I hear you Herb what I'm saying is we lost Fines, DJ, McIntosh, Norton and Willis all between a single recruiting cycle, three of them after the season end.

That can't be replaced in one season. There are too many d-lines and not enough DTs good enough to play for us.

1mg of Epi

Read that bama offers literally every potential quality DL they can find as early as possible, so that whoever it is they ultimately want they’ve already built a relationship w em.

86Cane

It is going to take time.

Posted by: Go Canes!! | January 14, 2018 at 09:34 PM

Time is promised to no one.

The future is NOW.

Wait...I gotta go, North Korea is calling.

Herbieibis

Losing Fines, are u kidding me! I didn’t even consider the Golden late edition 2 star a replacement candidate. U recruit in case this does happen. Richt has been recruiting for 2 cycles. He brought inFord last year, that would be ONE. The class before he saved he brought in Martin o should idayhe saved Martin. So in the last 2 previous years we brought in 2 candidates to play DT. Martin weighed a whopping 260 when we brought him in. Richt don’t get it! Golden never got it. What do those 2 have in common, the recruitment of DT’S!

BigWindyCane1

Good news about Pope enrolling early. If Pope doesn’t start, Pope will play a lot next season.

Go Canes!!

Richt came in about a month before NSD last year. This is his first full recruiting cycle.

If Norton and McIntosh don’t leave, DJ and Fines don’t transfer and Willis returned as expected, we’d have seven DTs on our roster with Silvera and maybe Briggs coming in.

That’s nine interior linemen, three seniors, a junior, three sophomores and two freshmen.

That scenario was very much a possibility 60 days ago wasn’t it?

His Royal Dudeness

Posted by: Go Canes!! | January 14, 2018 at 10:23 PM

And all I can say is in that because that event can happen, you need to have a plan a, b, c, d, etc. Ideal situation is 4 (JC, 4*, 4*, 3*RS). Next is 3 (JC, 4*, 4* or (4*, 4*, 3*RS). 2 is the bare minimum but it means you need to kill it next year and bring in at least two 4*. Depth starts from the bottom at your freshman class and then staying a 3* ahead.

1mg of Epi

Are we arguing whether or not Richt should’ve already had our depth issues solved?

86Cane

No, we are arguing over Global Warming. Who is this Richt you speak of? Is he an environmental scientist?

His Royal Dudeness

Posted by: 1mg of Epi | January 14, 2018 at 11:08 PM

Im not saying that, Im just looking at it from a military point of view as in heres what the clear goals should be, have we hit it? Pass/Fail, if we failed how do we make the system better?

Go Canes!!

Posted by: His Royal Dudeness | January 14, 2018 at 11:07 PM

I agree with you, just not at that position.

The 3* JUCO kid you keep want to get has 30 offers, with most of them offering immediate playing time. Three weeks ago when he looked at us he saw Ford, DJ, Norton, McIntosh and Willis here with a dominant Silvera committed and Briggs looking hard at us.

Too much demand at THE premium position to have so many backup plans.


Go Canes!!

TD you are way oversimplifying this.

Military decisions and planning arent affected by the whims of an 18 year old kid.

Coaches have to factor schollys they have to honor, who's on the roster, who may want to go back home, who may want to turn pro despite all evidence they shouldn't or who may have to sit out a year for who knows what.

Hopefully a qualityuncommittted or on the fence player sees an opportunity now and we get them late, but there aren't very many.

His Royal Dudeness

Posted by: Go Canes!! | January 14, 2018 at 11:28 PM

Again, pass/fail. You move on to plan b) two 4* DTs and one 3* DT to redshirt so that next year you start at one 4* DT bare minimum. Thats how you build depth from the bottom up.

His Royal Dudeness

Posted by: Go Canes!! | January 14, 2018 at 11:36 PM

You started that statement waaaaaay off on the wrong foot. Military decisions start off every single day at the whims of young kids. They just have a plan for that every single time.

All of those things are certainly factors, but built into the program need to be certain rules and expectations that prevent that from happening. Remember Richt recruited Johnson, so that failure to keep him on is on the system that Richt has in place. Its a pass/fail move to plan B. Unfortunately with anyone its tough to lose them as freshmen. Plan B would be 2 edge rushing Freshmen. 1 to play, 1 to redshirt. Good news is Garvin is the man for the Soph class. He will jump as a Jr, so it would be wise to have behind him a Soph and a talented Freshman.

1mg of Epi

arguing over Global Warming. Who is this Richt you speak of? Is he an environmental scientist?

Posted by: 86Cane | January 14, 2018 at 11:14 PM

Settle down u living bag of chlorofluorocarbons.

Go Canes!!

Big difference between executing decisions and making them.

Either way they have to enlist first!

1mg of Epi

much demand at THE premium position to have so many backup plans.


Posted by: Go Canes!! | January 14, 2018 at 11:28 PM

I might agree with you that rooster management is maybe somewhat equal parts management, circumstance and luck, but I can’t agree that Miami is competing against 30 schools for the services of any one player.

Miami is one of a handful of schools that can realistically win a ship in any given year, has the best DL coach in the country, etc etc. The staff should pick up their fair share of dudes If they’re recruiting process is where it should be.

1mg of Epi

Posted by: His Royal Dudeness | January 14, 2018 at 11:49 PM

I have a feeling you have come pretty close to describing how bama operates.

His Royal Dudeness

Posted by: Go Canes!! | January 15, 2018 at 12:05 AM

Here's my point... its all about having players in your pocket come recruiting season. You, me, Richt and everyone know that if Joe has a good year, heck maybe even a not so good year, he's gone. We have Garvin right behind him, he's gonna spell him knowing full well that the following year, Garvin will be the man. Rousseau could be just as good in the future, but most people think he will RS his first year, meaning he's actually next year's freshman class. That means their is a GAP at pass rush TRUE FRESHMAN getting reps. He would be the guy to spell Garvin in Garvin's Jr year. If Garvin jumps and has a quality replacement, all the best players will be taking an even more serious look. Who knows, maybe the best kid that year is a 5* kid? You start depth at the bottom by carrying a freshman into next year. You start with the upper hand. Is this making sense?

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