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March 19, 2018

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Terrance Sullivan

Need to beat FAU this Wednesday at the Light! Go Canes!

Mephistopheles

Mornin' folks. Meffy scribes with heavy heart, and a tear in the eye at the demise of our beautiful baseball program. A team who's only goal was Omaha, now struggles to avoid consecutive snubbs by the NCAA selection committee. Oh how the mighty have fallen.

Regardless of our diamond dogs' current record, this remains a program that can flourish under the right stewardship. Yet when our athletic department finally moves on from coach Morris, 5 years tardy for Meffy's taste, they go inside hire; they go lack of head coaching experience; let's face it, they go cheap.

Gino's a great guy, having met him a couple times, and he's a Cane through and through. He's given credit as a great recruiter, but did this program's glorious history not play a pivotal role in attracting that talent? UM ranks among national leaders in College World Series appearances, wins, and Championships. And once upon a time held the gaudy record of 44 consecutive appearances in the NCAA tourney. Does that sound like a tough sell?

It seems to me that Miami baseball remains one of the best jobs in the country. With many terrific options around college baseball, could we not at least make an effort to bring in someone with a proven track record as the head ball coach? Then again inside hires have worked like a charm at the U, n'est-ce pas?

They say those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it. We'd all love to re-live our wonderful history. But the athletic department's ignorance of the graveyard of inside hires littering UM's history portends another, less enticing future.

In a word, unless someone over there changes they're mind, we may be, dare I say it, DOOMED. Quelle dommage mes amis.

Go Canes!!

Tuition, room and board by school.


Florida State: $22,575
Florida: $21,131
Tampa: $25,858
Nova $27,986
Miami: $64,570

Now divide that number into only 11 1/2 scholarships.

UF currently ranked 2nd, FSU ranked 7th.
Tampa currently ranked near the top in DII,
Nova won the DII National Championship two seasons ago.

This isn't football. Money matters. A lot.

AeroCane

There's Go with his excuses -
Go just stop already and admit we did wait 3 to 5 years too long and DiMare is the wrong guy - read my posts from a while back - cane steel and Meffy are reiterating what I've been saying for 2 yrs now.
Vandy, UVA are both great baseball schools - no fucking demise there - and their tuition is the same as ours - what's your next freaking excuse -
ps you're the WORST type of fan - you make excuses for average when average is not what real fans want!
PSS Hamilton beats a 1 seed to advance and our so called great coach can't beat an 11 seed! Disappointing
Cant wait for football and Realus George leading the way for lingard! And perry deep to Thomas!

Go Canes!!

Aero have you ever spoken to a kid who had the option of attending most of those four schools to play ball?

Just curious.

AeroCane

No / not the point at all

PS don't get me wrong Go, in most cases I enjoy reading your posts and think they are very well thought out.

I just wish you would stop accepting average and go for the 'gusto'

Go Canes!!

I don’t accept anything.

Explaining a reason why something may be occurring is just that, explaining.

You can’t compare the demographics of schools like Stanford in California and Duke in the Carolina corridor to Miami when it comes to baseball.

I saw the effects overall tuition costs had when comparing schools first hand.

If you still disagree ask yourself this. How good would our football team be compared to FSU and Florida if we only gave 25-50% scholarships.

It matters. A lot.

AeroCane

Totally agree to disagree. I think you make no freakin sense at all. Now your just arguing to argue

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You know baseball only gets 11 1/2 scholarships right?

The roster only has 25 guys. AT BEST a guy is paying half of $65k a year to live and play at UM.

How do you not see that being a factor?

AeroCane

Huge factor vs fsu and UF. But the discrepancy has been there for years - not to this extreme but still there. The point is: why are other schools with top tuition (and higher standards as well) still recruiting and playing at a very high level? Based on this, your theory is incorrect. I suggest we get a young, established coach (i.e. Jim Morris 23 yrs ago) and you'll see this arguement is moot. JMO

Go Canes!!

Like who?

Duke, who's in the ACC like us?

Check out the Florida kids on that roster. Half of them, including Jeff Conine's kid, went to Pine Crest school which has a tuition of $31,000 a year. Another went to Tampa Jesuit, with a tuition of $17k a year.

Those have never been Miami kids.

At $65k a year those kind of players are going to Stanford, Duke or Vanderbilt before here. Wouldnt you do that if that was your son?

Not letting Morris off the hook but it's not like football or basketball.

Money matters big time for us in baseball.

AeroCane

Ok
I'll accept that. Thx for the fun morning

Go Canes!!

Posted by: AeroCane | March 19, 2018 at 10:54 AM

👍👍👍

Mephistopheles

Go Canes, you have a point. Where I veer away from you is that UF was never on par with Miami. FSU was, sort of, (still no rings) and the others were certainly not.

Miami was the most prolific school in America from say 1980 until maybe 5 years ago. 4 NC's, and most appearances and wins in Omaha in that stretch. Kids did what they had to do to get to the U. There was no true alternative. Now there is. The fact that you even mention those schools in the same sentence as Miami shows how far they've fallen. Miami used to be a cut above.

For those too young to have been around, the program faced a real crossroad in the early 90's. We barely made the tourney some years, and we're no threat to get to Omaha. Then a poor choice of coach to replace legendary coach Fraser, and the wheels nearly fell off.

Enter Joe Morris, arguably the best available coach in the country having made Georgia tech into a power. In his first year Miami gets to the College World Series, after having failed to get there in 3 of the prior 4 seasons, including the last 2 seasons.

Miami then goes to Omaha 7 of the next 8 seasons, winning twice, and having another title stolen in bottom of the 9th, with maybe the best team in college baseball history. Miami was still expensive, (trust me, I was in law school from 95-98) but Morris corrected our short but substantial recession immediately, then dominated the sport for basically a decade.

I know things have changed, and competition is tough in the ACC. But I don't think you can blame economics for such a precipitous fall. From the very top, to struggling for a bid to the NCAA?

This program once used a runner up college World Series trophy as a doorstop. Omaha or bust was the goal, and everyone in the country expected it as well. Morris was great but stayed too long. Now we need another Morris. Not cheaper tuition. Just my opinion.

Herbieibis

Having followed the team for over 35 years, the same argument has been around for years about tuition compared to other Florida schools. It’s true they do pay way less to attend BUT that never stopped us from being dominate. One problem in the past is getting verbals from top notch kids and watching them go pro. Now allot of teams have this problem to a certain degree but not as much as the U. The last couple of years this hadn’t happened as much. Our back-up plan B options for players opting to turn pro have not panned out. The team sucked hitting last year and the same thing is happening this year. We’ve been snake bitten with losing pitchers being hurt and out for the year. It’s like a prerequisit, that you hurt your arm first and have surgery and then u can pitch.
We are not getting the same talent and the pitching hasn’t been that great
Morris has done some great things for us but his time has come and gone. We need a hitting coach. There is talent stacked all over the state, and with all the grant and aid kids can get, it’s not going to bust their pockets as much as u think. Virginia is expensive, where do they get their talent? Talent should be the least of our worries. Dimare might be just what we need, younger and who knows, he’s probably chomping at the bit to do things differently.

CaneWarrior

Go, not familiar with B.B. .
Is the 11 1/2 schollies a NCAA limitation or is it by total $ ?
Thanks

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In state tution plus room and board at UVA is about half of ours.

70-80% of their roster are Virginia kids.

Miami's tuition is in line with schools like Duke, Stanford and Vanderbilt.

Go Canes!!

CW it's a scholarship number not a dollar number.

Great article on the realities of college baseball.

https://www.omaha.com/sports/with-scholarship-limit-college-baseball-careers-come-with-a-cost/article_9c27f775-3564-5051-b7f9-f258c8c37fd1.html

86Cane

Meffy...the UM baseball program is old and tired like it's head coach. The program felt obligated to let him finish out under his own terms which was wrong. The program now feels "obligated" (coerced is too strong a word) to hire DiMare seeing as he has been a loyal soldier and his family gave a bunch of $$$ towards the Um baseball program and the stadium upgrades some years ago along with ARod.

Even the ground crew has lost interest and when we were there a few weeks ago for like the 10th game of the home season the turf field look as old and tired as the head coach. When RaizeCane and I went to the UCF game in Orlando their turf field looked brand new and in great condition.

It's a bad scenario all around and is not going to get better anytime real soon.

86Cane

Oh, and money always has something to do with it, but that is FAR from the biggest problem and just another GoCanes excuse mill propaganda play. IJS

86Cane

This program once used a runner up college World Series trophy as a doorstop. Omaha or bust was the goal, and everyone in the country expected it as well. Morris was great but stayed too long. Now we need another Morris. Not cheaper tuition. Just my opinion.

Posted by: Mephistopheles | March 19, 2018 at 03:34 PM

There IT is right there.

Go Canes!!

Posted by: 86Cane | March 19, 2018 at 08:34 PM

You’re right, it’s all about shiny new fake grass.

If you’re going to criticize a valid point backed up by actual facts, try not posting something that would only matter if we were recruiting for a pee wee league T-ball team.

86Cane

Go Canes...isn't that what we have at Miami, a pee wee T-ball team?

Go Canes!!

Posted by: 86Cane | March 19, 2018 at 09:32 PM

No.

Go Canes!!

Spring practice starts today.

Going to be interesting!!

Go Canes!!

Hurricanes begin spring practice by making changes on the offenside side of the ball

BY BARRY JACKSON
bjackson@miamiherald.com
March 20, 2018 01:34 PM
A six-pack of UM notes from the first day of spring football on Tuesday:

• UM’s first-team offensive line featured two new starters Monday – and both were players who weren’t much of a factor last season.

Jahair Jones, who played mostly special teams in nine appearances last season, opened at left guard. George Brown, who played in just three games last year, opened with the first group at right tackle.

UM must replace departing starters Kc McDermott at tackle and Trevor Darling at guard.

Tyree St. Louis moved from right tackle to left tackle to begin team drills, with center Tyler Gauthier and right guard Navaughn Donaldson at the same positions they played last year.

Offensive coordinator Thomas Brown said Jones and Brown lining up with the starters was the byproduct of two factors – they have improved as players and they excelled in the team’s grueling offseason matt drills.

“George is a big athletic man,” Brown said. “He's a bit more consistent. He had some really good plays at times, some not so good plays at times. Jahair is one of the strongest guys we have up front. Does a really good job with his hand placement and moving his feet. Just trying to give him a chance to win a job.”

Jones chose UM over Ohio State and Virginia as a three-star recruit out of ASA College in 2015. But he redshirted in 2015 and played in only one game in 2016.

Brown didn’t play as an LSU freshman in 2015, then sat out 2016 after transferring to UM. He didn’t get meaningful playing time last year. Rivals ranked him as the 199th best player in the 2015 class.

Gauthier said Brown "is a lot different kid from the fall… His footwork is really good."

The second team offensive line, from left to right, featured tackle Kai-Leon Herbert, early enrollee/guard Delone Scaife, center Corey Gaynor, guard Hayden Mahoney and redshirt freshman tackle Zalon’tae Hillery.

Richt has said Donaldson will move from guard to tackle only if there’s a pressing need.

Gauthier said Donaldson has "lost weight" and is "moving a little quicker."

• Safeties Derrick Smith and Romeo Finley lined up at SAM linebacker, and linebacker Terry McCray practiced with the defensive ends, but coach Mark Richt said none of the three had switched positions.

Regarding Smith and Finley, “we have what everybody else in America calls nickel,” Richt said. “Nickel is five DBs. They are playing a defensive back position out over the No. 2 receivers or the slot. So if we were in our base defense, they wouldn't be in the game in that position. But in nickel, they play the SAM linebacker.”

• Everyone has been impressed with five-star running back Lorenzo Lingard, an early enrollee.

“You watch his high school highlight tape, he's a pretty good football player,” Brown said.

“He's full of energy. Goes full speed all the time. Got to get him to slow the game down and process a little bit slower and control his body. He can be out of control at times. I would much rather have a guy that goes too hard all the time than a guy who I got to kick in the butt to try to get harder. There's obviously a learning curve right now.

“He's the only new guy in my room right now. I have two more guys coming in the summer time - Realus [George] and Cam [Davis] will be here in the summer time and I look forward to have those guys from a depth standpoint.”

• Rosier cited three early enrollees who have impressed him:

“Lorenzo definitely stands out. You can tell he’s fast, he’s explosive, and once he figures out what he’s doing on every play, he’s going to be a freak.”

Then he mentioned cornerback Gilbert Frierson and safety Gurvan Hall.

“Gilbert’s going to be really good,” Rosier said. “So is Gurvan Hall. Those guys, even in the secondary, just running balls down. There was one play where the guy was open and you see him just, how do you say it, like .. there was a lot of grass and he collapsed that grass and I mean, I think he just dove and knocked the ball away. So I mean, he’s doing a great job and those defensive players are going to be really good."


• Brown gathered his offense before practice and made clear he wants this team "to be more player led. Every single year we've got a lot of talented guys. We've got a lot more depth now. If we're not led from within from a player's standpoint, it will be hard for us” to be what UM wants to be.

• Gerald Willis and Jon Ford opened with the first group at defensive tackle and Gautheir said there’s "not that much of a drop" in talent from Kendrick Norton and Richard McIntosh to the troika of Willis, Ford and Pat Bethel.

"Ford is a big dude that can stuff the middle," Gauthier said.

• Ballyhooed incoming freshmen tight ends Brevin Jordan and Will Mallory, both summer arrivals, can’t get here soon enough.

Michael Irvin Jr. and Brian Polendey, the only two scholarship tight ends participating in spring practice, still have work to do. Polendey dropped multiple passes in the brief period open to the media and Irvin dropped one.

86Cane

LIKE I WAS SAYING...

Richt has said Donaldson will move from guard to tackle only if there’s a pressing need.

Gauthier said Donaldson has "lost weight" and is "moving a little quicker."

His Royal Dudeness

Waffles at Corbet's Cabin? Check.

TJL

Bama adds Butch Jones to a "off field position"

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/22849871/tua-tagovailoa-alabama-crimson-tide-injures-thumb-practice

NativeCane

TJL, Bama hires former head coaches as equipment managers SMH!

NativeCane

Waffles at Corbet's Cabin? Check.

Posted by: His Royal Dudeness | March 20, 2018 at 08:26 PM

Enjoy the good life Dude!

Cane On !!!

BigWindyCane1

Good first day of Spring practice. I don’t expect all the positions along the offensive line and a few other positions to remain unchanged throughout Spring and Fall. Waiting to see who decides to make a move, and step up into a starting role

TonyCane

Curious to see what Trayone Gray and Robert Burns do in spring practice.

86Cane

LIKE I WAS SAYING...

Richt has said Donaldson will move from guard to tackle only if there’s a pressing need.

Gauthier said Donaldson has "lost weight" and is "moving a little quicker."

Posted by: 86Cane | March 20, 2018 at 03:42 PM

Like I was saying...

His Royal Dudeness

Posted by: NativeCane | March 20, 2018 at 09:22 PM

👍

Go Canes!!

Posted by: 86Cane | March 20, 2018 at 03:42 PM

Are you going to confirm he's too slow to play WR and safety next?

Again, he plays guard not tackle.

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Rut roh....

https://twitter.com/JTWilcoxSports/status/976101607640268800

CoCane

I know it was just one play but dam...

Malik still throwing wild pitches. Keep his azz deep in the bullpen...

Terrance Sullivan

Lol I caught Malik Rollercoaster pass here in Montgomery lol.

Go Canes!!

That was one fugly ass throw.

Early reports indicating there’s nothing but ballers in this freshman class.

Lingard already standing out along with Frierson and Hall. RB and DB battles are going to be awesome this year.

Nothing like competition to elevate and separate.

CaneRock

Shouldn't be an excuse for our less than desirable results on the diamond...but it makes absolutely no sense that UM has to divvy up less than 12 schollies amongst 25 players, while already affluent athletes in sports that don't bring in any revenue (women's golf & tennis), get full rides.

If big time College athletics was ran like a real business, you could fully fund baseball schollies at a school like UM.

AeroCane

Abdolutely CR but the ncaa and powers to be are idiots

PS we need to really hope perry steps up cause Malik is who he is - average at best with average to best football iq

CGNC

Hey Meph! How are you - aside from the baseball thing?

RCCF

I think the OL hubbub is low lighted because they are counting on the Vonzell Boulware kid from Tennessee by way of Transfer who is eligible for immediate play and 2yrs of eligibility word is he is a strong starting candidate and that is why Navaughn isn't being talked much about moving and or is. Much weighs on Boulware.

86Cane

LIKE I WAS SAYING...

Richt has said Donaldson will move from guard to tackle only if there’s a pressing need.

Gauthier said Donaldson has "lost weight" and is "moving a little quicker."

Posted by: 86Cane | March 20, 2018 at 03:42 PM

LIKE I WAS SAYING!

Posted by: 86Cane | March 20, 2018 at 10:09 PM

LIKE I WAS SAYING...

thirstybuzzardcane

LIKE I WAS SAYING...

Richt has said Donaldson will move from guard to tackle only if there’s a pressing need.

Gauthier said Donaldson has "lost weight" and is "moving a little quicker."

Posted by: 86Cane | March 20, 2018 at 03:42 PM

LIKE I WAS SAYING!

Posted by: 86Cane | March 20, 2018 at 10:09 PM

LIKE I WAS SAYING...

Posted by: 86Cane | March 21, 2018 at 08:29 PM


WHAT WERE YOU SAYING?

thirstybuzzardcane

WTF!!! Canes lose 11-9 in baseball!! We're up by 6 in the Top of the 9th!! Sad!!

86Cane

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