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May 13, 2018

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Terrance Sullivan

Boom Baby!

Go Canes!!

Wut?

Happy Mother’s Day to all the moms out there.

roachcane77

Springtime Canes are kickin' butt!

Terrance Sullivan

Yes Yes Yes

Terrance Sullivan

Canes Sweep The Castrated Turkeys in Blackturd 12-8 they are now 25-25 and 14-13 in ACC play play Stetson at home on Tuesday and 3 game Season Finale at Home against Boston College!

JCane

12-8 victory was with 4 in the 10th and a very rare road sweep. Not pretty, but gotta like.

UMike

Lindard was the anchor leg for the 4x100 relay...40.07, 5th fastest in school history. Kid is fast!

Herbieibis

Miami should never be this sad in baseball, needing a sweep over VA. Tech. We lost another top verbal We and now have lost 2- 5's and a 4. This is what needs to stop losing the top talent guys. It is early and we can still reel them back in BUT!

86Cane

Lingard is Fast? Yes, he is smoking FAST!

His Royal Dudeness

2020 5 star Burton decommits. Crootin.

TonyCane

With DB Keontra Smith committing today we are now up to 6 four star players for the 2019 class. That's 5 four star players in the last five weeks.

86Cane

Do STARS matter?

How many did UCF have when they beat Auburn?

86Cane

TonyCane...can you please research how many 4-5 star players UCF had and how many Auburn had when they played last year in the bowl game?

TonyCane

TonyCane...can you please research how many 4-5 star players UCF had and how many Auburn had when they played last year in the bowl game?

Posted by: 86Cane | May 13, 2018 at 10:15 PM

Looking at who actually stayed, who qualified, who transferred in, and who left early would take far too long, so let's stick with who committed to each school between 2014 - 2017:

UNIVERSITY OF CENTRAL FLORIDA
5 Star Players: None
4 Star Players: 5
3 Star Players: 43
2 Star Players: 29
0 Star Players: 2

UNIVERSITY OF AUBURN
5 Star Players: 7
4 Star Players: 50
3 Star Players: 24
2 Star Players: 8
0 Star Players: None

Obviously there was a very strong gap in talent, even allowing for the fact that Auburn probably had a higher transfer rate than UCF. Frost won on coaching and potentially a disinterested Auburn squad. In UCF's minds, they were playing for an undefeated season and a "national championship". In Auburn's mind...they were playing UCF in a bowl game.

Clearly however both coaching and strong talent are generally needed. The simple fact is that Miami will be fielding it's most talent team on paper in quite some time:

Isolating to five and four star players on the roster each season, removing players that did not qualify:

2006: Five Stars: 4, Four Stars: 30
2007: Five Stars: 2, Four Stars: 24
2008: Five Stars: 3, Four Stars: 28
2009: Five Stars: 4, Four Stars: 37
2010: Five Stars: 4, Four Stars: 35
2011: Five Stars: 3, Four Stars: 25
2012: Five Stars: 3, Four Stars: 18
2013: Five Stars: 3, Four Stars: 19
2014: Five Stars: 3, Four Stars: 19
2015: Five Stars: 3, Four Stars: 25
2016: Five Stars: 2, Four Stars: 25
2017: Five Stars: 2, Four Stars: 27
2018: Five Stars: 3, Four Stars: 35

BigWindyCane1

Good stuff TonyCane. Certainly, on average, the more 4 and 5 star players you have, the more you should win. However, coaching and player development plays an important role, and UCF does underscore that point.

DMoney had a pretty good article on this point. DMoney pointed out that every year, a bunch of 2-star and 3-star recruits get picked in the first round. This year, DMoney did some research to find out: (1) why they were underrated, and (2) what Canes fans can learn from their evaluations. DMoney noticed four general themes that emerged in his evaluations:

* Played multiple positions in HS

* Weight doesn’t matter (height and movement skills are more important)

* Pay attention to bloodlines

* Motor is a must

DMoney notices that "three-star Greg Roussseau checks a lot of these boxes."

https://www.canesinsight.com/news/.5401/

86Cane

Tony...thanks for doing that. Nice research.

I agree that it takes talent and coaching. To some extent, great talent can hide poor coaching and great coaching can overcome some talent disparity.

One aspect of great coaching is teaching technique and the playbook. Another is game planning. This is where coaches typically fall into two categories.

Terrance Sullivan

Great stuff TonyCane!

Go Canes!!

Garvin, Ford and Pickney were rated 3 Stars by a lot of services.

Same with Derrick Smith and Amari Carter last year and those two are going to be legit beasts.

As Windy said, so was Rosseau this year.

So when you see a UCF team full of 3 Stars made up mostly of Florida kids, there is likely a lot of talent there.

You can all go back to man crushing on Frost now, just wanted to point that out.

Old Skool

Supreme Court just legalized sports gambling on a state by state basis.

Go Canes!!

Bookies around America putting their houses on the market:

BREAKING: Supreme Court strikes down federal anti sports gambling law, gives states go-ahead to allow betting on sports.

86Cane

You can all go back to man crushing on Frost now, just wanted to point that out.

Posted by: Go Canes!! | May 14, 2018 at 09:52 AM

I wonder if Scott Frost is married?

86Cane

Supreme Court just legalized sports gambling on a state by state basis.

Posted by: Old Skool | May 14, 2018 at 10:42 AM

Interesting. What will results be?

Old Skool

In other news ...

The New England Patriots are reportedly hiring martial arts expert Joe Kim to bolster the team's pass rush.

Kim will reportedly help the team's defensive lineman and outside linebackers work on their hand-to-hand combat in pass-rushing situations. In his career, he's filled a similar role for the Browns (three times), Redskins, Bears, Chiefs, Giants, Broncos, Bills, Packers, Cowboys, Dolphins and the Penn State Nittany Lions.

Old Skool

ESPN expects New Jersey followed by
Delaware, Mississippi, New York, Pennsylvania and West Virginia to quick enable sports betting. I would imagine dog and horse track owners as well as Indian tribes are suddenly increasing their lobbying budgets in Florida.

If you look at Germany and England, sports betting parlors are common in the cities.

Old Skool

Meanwhile, Mark Cuban estimates the value of each pro sports team just doubled today.

Go Canes!!

Posted by: Old Skool | May 14, 2018 at 01:15 PM

If I had to guess you’ll be able to bet on a New Years bowl game at the two Hard Rocks and any dog/horse track/poker room in Florida.

Old Skool

Well this could get interesting ...

The principles announced in Monday’s decision may have implications for other kinds of federal laws. When the case was argued in December, Justice Sotomayor said some federal regulation of marijuana could be threatened by a ruling that allows sports betting.

86Cane

Don't get your hopes up too "high". LOL

Terrance Sullivan

Lol hahaha.

86Cane

I would like to make the first two bets now that it is legal:

1. I bet that WWIN's bestie and second cousin once removed, Malik Rosier, is NOT the starting QB come Fall.

2. I bet that Go Canes has a framed poster of Mark Richt over his bed.

Terrance Sullivan

Lol 86.

WWIN

Posted by: 86Cane | May 14, 2018 at 09:48 PM

1. You lose! Answer: he'll start

2. You lose! Answer: Al Golden poster

His Royal Dudeness

Posted by: WWIN | May 14, 2018 at 11:03 PM

Al Golden is still in the frame, covered by the new Mark Richt poster.

WWIN

You right HRD... Soupster breaks even

86Cane

All I ever wanted in life was to break even.

#MissionAccomplished

Go Canes!!

Posted by: WWIN | May 14, 2018 at 11:03 PM

That's right,still pitching the story that I never, ever, ever once criticized Golden and always said everything he did was perfect!

You have that framed next to the WW quarterback rating system, where completing half your passes is great football but hitting 23 of 24 with 4 TDs and no picks is a failing grade.

"Because statistics can be deceiving"

Old Skool

So is there an over-under on St. Thomas to win next year's state championship?

Bill Bradley says that in the Court ruling that there's nothing in it to prevent gambling on high school games.

The other innovation to expect is in game gambling. With an Internet connection, you'll be able to be on the next play, pitch or free throw.


Go Canes!!

Willie’s gonna get smoked:

Florida State vs. Boise State Aug. 31, 2019 season opener in Jacksonville will be officially announced at Wednesday news conference

Terrance Sullivan

Ha on the same day we have the Gators in Orlando!

86Cane

Ha the same day we SLAY the Gators in Orlando!

FIFY

SinisterCane

Posted by: 86Cane | May 15, 2018 at 08:15 PM

Hopefully NoO will have this QB thingy solved 2019

His Royal Dudeness

Posted by: 86Cane | May 15, 2018 at 08:15 PM

We will beat the Gators by 14 in 2019, vault it. Manny Diaz is creating as good a defense as you can, if Richt can get the O where it needs to be, solid, we are going to win a bunch more games.

86Cane

if Richt can get the O where it needs to be, solid, we are going to win a bunch more games.

Posted by: His Royal Dudeness | May 15, 2018 at 09:12 PM

And therein lies the conundrum.

Herbieibis

We have 3 problems: one, play calling, two that O-Line and three, QB other than that everything should be graveyard!

Go Canes!!

Posted by: Herbieibis | May 16, 2018 at 12:37 AM

How would you rank them in order of importance?

His Royal Dudeness

Posted by: Go Canes!! | May 16, 2018 at 06:48 AM

I know you didnt ask me, but...

1) Offensive line. A monster offensive line is the most important thing in football.
2) Play calling.
3) QB.

Herbieibis

Go, Qb. Got to have field manager, who is smart and doesn't turn the ball over.
Next play calling. No matter how bad or average the Line is, u can mask some of those problems with play calling. Richy, in The Herb's humble opinion is to conservative at times.
Last is the O-Line. We do have some talent there and although we are lacking at the tackle position, we have enough to be good with the first 2 clicking.

Go Canes!!

I’d rank them:

1) QB
2) QB
3) QB

Well not to that extreme but outside of Bama all the other recent national champs had these guys under center:

Deshaun Watson
Cardele Jones
Jamies Winston
Cam Newton
Tim Tebow
Leak/Tebow
Vince Young

So basically unless you have the #1 recruiting class every single year for a decade straight, you better have a MAJOR difference maker at quarterback.

Terrance Sullivan

Lol so being a Turnover Machine Inaccurate QB is no problem lol. Pure Comedy.

thirstybuzzardcane

1) Offensive line. A monster offensive line is the most important thing in football.
2) Play calling.
3) QB.

Posted by: His Royal Dudeness | May 16, 2018 at 11:00 AM


I concur!

Terrance Sullivan

lol it some comedians in the house. funny i didn't see the same stuff said a couple of years ago. U guys are funny. Thanks for the laughs tho.

86Cane

#CrowToJonesFor6

Terrance Sullivan

Outstanding Work 86. Yes Still holds true from 2012 until now.

CGNC

Great blog. Love this place.

CGNC


Happy Mother's Day CGNC!

Posted by: WWIN | May 13, 2018 at 10:27 AM

Thanks WWIN!

His Royal Dudeness

Posted by: Go Canes!! | May 16, 2018 at 12:10 PM

This is a really good point. I guess I am looking at it from the Alabama point of view. I guess we can all agree then, that being elite in any one of the 3 things will take you far. Why we arent as good as we can be is because those 3 things, are the 3 things that we arent very good at.

His Royal Dudeness

Posted by: Terrance Sullivan | May 16, 2018 at 12:21 PM

Show me where anyone said that? Having an outstanding OL will take you far in CF, and in the NFL. We know this as Hurricane fans, we were crazy good with Ken Dorsey at QB. I dont want to slam him, he had good attributes also, but that OL gave him time for days, and frequently got elite backs to the second level. Play calling also will take you far, exactly as the names Go Canes listed, was Tim Tebow an elite thrower of the football, or a system QB in an elite system?

thirstybuzzardcane

If you have a bad offensive line, a Qb's completion percentage and TD/turnover ratio will suffer dramatically!

Any coach will tell your success starts in the trenches!

Terrance Sullivan

TBC yea okay with the excuse making. The line was basically the same in 2015, 2016, 2017. But I digress lol.

thirstybuzzardcane

If someone told me that I would win 10 games with a FIRST year starter, I would take that everyday!

You guys make it sound like we had Sherriff as our starting QB the whole year! Now that guy was terrible!

Go Canes!!

An elite QB can make an average o-line look great.

I don’t think an average QB, especially an innacurate one, can do the same to a good o-line.

Terrance Sullivan

Nice to change the subject because you know I am right. Secondly Sherriff was God Awful total agreement.

Terrance Sullivan

HRD if you are going to use the Alabama Model dont be disingenius. I mean The Alabama QB's weren't Turnover Machine and Inaccurate. All of them complete 60% or better and all of them were on average 27 or 28 TD's to like 7 INT's. I will repeat Malik Rosier 26 TD's 14 INT's 54% completion percentage. but that's the model you use lol. Man Yall are on fire today.

thirstybuzzardcane

Nice to change the subject because you know I am right. Secondly Sherriff was God Awful total agreement.

Posted by: Terrance Sullivan | May 16, 2018 at 03:03 PM


Just because you say it it's right? Ok, my man!

His Royal Dudeness

Posted by: Terrance Sullivan | May 16, 2018 at 03:06 PM

Im not disagreeing with you, youre being disingenuous if you think having a better OL wouldnt make us more competitive and would help out the QB and the play caller. A lot of the reason Rosier's numbers are bad is that we are in a bad spot, 3rd and long, too often. We know Malik isnt going to convert that on the regular.

His Royal Dudeness

If Im asked where would I like to start, with a great QB or a great OL, I'll pick the OL all day.

thirstybuzzardcane

Big T, why is Wisconsin so good? Their QB is worse than ours! Why has Eli Manning been doing so bad the last 4 years?

Terrance Sullivan

Lol Wisconsin QB is better than Malik The End.

thirstybuzzardcane


If Im asked where would I like to start, with a great QB or a great OL, I'll pick the OL all day.

Posted by: His Royal Dudeness | May 16, 2018 at 04:55 PM

Me too!

86Cane

Tim Tebow an elite thrower of the football, or a system QB in an elite system?

Posted by: His Royal Dudeness | May 16, 2018 at 02:29 PM

Tim Tebow = Best QB Ever!

Wait, check that, hold on a minute, I am getting a text message telling me to agree with HRD?

86Cane

You guys make it sound like we had Sherriff as our starting QB the whole year! Now that guy was terrible!

Posted by: thirstybuzzardcane | May 16, 2018 at 02:48 PM

TBC shot the Sherriff, but he will not shoot the Rosier?

Terrance Sullivan

lol 86.

CGNC


Man Yall are on fire today.

Posted by: Terrance Sullivan | May 16, 2018 at 03:06 PM

Hold down the fort TSully

Go Canes!!

Posted by: thirstybuzzardcane | May 16, 2018 at 04:57 PM

Wisconsin was good because they had the #2 overall defense in the country.


https://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/22

Go Canes!!

If Im asked where would I like to start, with a great QB or a great OL, I'll pick the OL all day.

Posted by: His Royal Dudeness | May 16, 2018 at 04:55 PM

Who has a better year in 2018 for the Miami Hurricanes?

Our offensive line with any of these QBs under center:

Deshaun Watson
Cardele Jones
Jamies Winston
Cam Newton
Tim Tebow
Leak/Tebow
Vince Young

Or replace our offensive line with the best one in America and put Malik under center?

I think you know the answer to that question.

Terrance Sullivan

CGNC that's a Big 10-4

thirstybuzzardcane

Lol Wisconsin QB is better than Malik The End.

Posted by: Terrance Sullivan | May 16, 2018 at 05:11 PM


Malik had one more TD pass and one less int than him. Malik also had 500 more passing yards and 500 more rushing yards. How do you figure he's better?

thirstybuzzardcane

What would the Wisconsin QB be like if he played behind an OL like ours? Our OL is the achilles heal on our team! They've been bad for years!

Terrance Sullivan

Wisconsin QB also completes 62% of his passes to Malik 54%. Wisconsin QB is marginally better both are pedestrian!

Go Canes!!

Who cares about Wisconsin's QB.

The question was why were they good.

They were good because of their defense, not because of their QB or their offensive line.

thirstybuzzardcane

Who cares about Wisconsin's QB.

The question was why were they good.

They were good because of their defense, not because of their QB or their offensive line.

Posted by: Go Canes!! | May 16, 2018 at 07:13 PM


Shyt, I thought you were going to say it was because of their schedule!

thirstybuzzardcane

Wisconsin QB also completes 62% of his passes to Malik 54%. Wisconsin QB is marginally better both are pedestrian!

Posted by: Terrance Sullivan | May 16, 2018 at 07:08 PM


So all your comparing just on completion percentage? Wisconsin QB was a second year starter, Rosier was a first. Did you see his completion percentage as a starter in 2016?

CoCane

No holes to run through = 2nd, 3rd and longs
No pass protection = less time to throw, too many QB hits, happy feet, rushed throws, more incompletions and interceptions...

Give me the elite OL and DL as a foundation everytime...

CoCane

If the OL is garbage, you'll never know the QB is elite

thirstybuzzardcane

No doubt, CoCane!

Go Canes!!

And if your o line is elite it will 100% confirm your QB is garbage.

Terrance Sullivan

TBC after total review I say Malik is marginally better than Alex. U are correct both are pedestrian QB's.

Terrance Sullivan

TBC stop the crap. Both were Turnover machines so the next thing is completion percentage but both are pretty much the same C level QB'S. I will slightly give Malik the edge tho.

SinisterCane

NoO makes Patrick Nix look like Mike Martz

thirstybuzzardcane

LOL, big T!

thirstybuzzardcane

NoO makes Patrick Nix look like Mike Martz

Posted by: SinisterCane | May 16, 2018 at 08:16 PM

Oh, God, I forgot about that guy!!!

TonyCane

Sinister, I've yet to see anything from the current regime that matched the time management in that bowl game against California.

WWIN

Thanks WWIN!

Posted by: CGNC | May 16, 2018 at 01:50 PM

You're welcome! 😊

WWIN

TBC yea okay with the excuse making. The line was basically the same in 2015, 2016, 2017. But I digress lol.

Posted by: Terrance Sullivan | May 16, 2018 at 02:45 PM

Guess we made it to the ACCCG and had more wins in 2015, 2016, and 2017 right? Thanks for the comic relief! 🤣🤣🤣

WWIN

No holes to run through = 2nd, 3rd and longs
No pass protection = less time to throw, too many QB hits, happy feet, rushed throws, more incompletions and interceptions...

Give me the elite OL and DL as a foundation everytime...

Posted by: CoCane | May 16, 2018 at 07:28 PM

#Chuch

WWIN

Wisconsin QB also completes 62% of his passes to Malik 54%. Wisconsin QB is marginally better both are pedestrian!

Posted by: Terrance Sullivan | May 16, 2018 at 07:08 PM

He also didn't play 10 games in a row and play with a injured throwing shoulder

WWIN

TBC all day long...

💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯

Terrance Sullivan

Lol 10 games in a row with a Injured shoulder the UNC game was number 6 in a 13 game season. WWIN with the Fake News. Bruh this ridiculous pandering you are doing is beyond embarrassing. That Tennessee Education must be basura!

Terrance Sullivan

WWIN, HRD, TBC, all think MR is All World and the reason for the team success. Everyone drink it in Man lol.

Go Canes!!

Wisconsin didn't win 13 games because of their QB, Alabama didn't win the NC because of theirs and we didn't win 10 games and go the Championship game because of ours.

That is obvious to anyone who's objective, at all.

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