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May 27, 2018

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TruCane81

Back on top.

86Cane

As it should be!

thirstybuzzardcane


Back on top.

Posted by: TruCane81 | May 27, 2018 at 09:57 PM

That's what.....

thirstybuzzardcane

California is a screwed up state!


https://www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/college-football/2018/5/27/17400970/california-amendment-universities-salaries-200000-cfb-head-coaches?__twitter_impression=true

86Cane

She said!

thirstybuzzardcane

Looks like the O/U is 10 for us! Sounds like a push to me.

https://twitter.com/Covers/status/1000814941371289600?s=19

Go Canes!!

When you get to the bottom to the top....

TonyCane

Thirsty...two thoughts on that:

1) Go right ahead. California schools will lose their head coaches, assistant coaches, and their recruits. We’ll be in line to pick up a few.

2) I’ve been saying this for a while...there will be a backlash against giant coaching salaries as college tuitions continue to escalate beyond the rate of inflation. I presumed it would be the next time that there was a recession.

His Royal Dudeness

Posted by: TonyCane | May 27, 2018 at 11:09 PM

They know not what they do, but when the ramifications become clear, they wont do it. It is however going to come to an end, salaries just cant keep going up like that. NCAA needs a coaching staff salary cap?

86Cane

OK, I just have to say this out loud: The weather forecast for Central Florida for this weekend was the absolute most inaccurate forecast that I have ever seen in my life. They said we would be swamped with 100% chance of rain and 5-7 inches of it. NOT EVEN CLOSE! How do these people keep their jobs?

86Cane

2) I’ve been saying this for a while...there will be a backlash against giant coaching salaries as college tuitions continue to escalate beyond the rate of inflation. I presumed it would be the next time that there was a recession.

Posted by: TonyCane | May 27, 2018 at 11:09 PM

U are correct Sir! College coaching salaries should be capped at $3 million/year. You don't want the job, don't take it!

His Royal Dudeness

Posted by: 86Cane | May 27, 2018 at 11:53 PM

If you capped it at 10 million per staff, then teams like Alabama couldnt collect all the top guys. Maybe a HC makes 4, the OC/DC make 1 a piece, and the rest of the coaches split the remaining 5. Idk, just a thought.

Terrance Sullivan

Free Market Rules. Whatever the market pays I won't complain. Nice work if you can get it.

thirstybuzzardcane

OK, I just have to say this out loud: The weather forecast for Central Florida for this weekend was the absolute most inaccurate forecast that I have ever seen in my life. They said we would be swamped with 100% chance of rain and 5-7 inches of it. NOT EVEN CLOSE! How do these people keep their jobs?

Posted by: 86Cane | May 27, 2018 at 11:51 PM


I got hammered with rain in Palm City!

thirstybuzzardcane

If they cap their salary at $200K, I'm sure the boosters will be paying the remainder.

DallasTX Cane

Salary cap = more underhanded, illegal, unethical BS booster behavior. The Bama’s of this world are gonna find a way to get the $$ into the right hands. Better to pay the players and force more revenue sharing with the other sports. Set budgets as a percentage of overall athletic department budget.

His Royal Dudeness

Posted by: Terrance Sullivan | May 28, 2018 at 01:13 AM

But its not really a free market, its public funds and student tuition.

His Royal Dudeness

But its not really a free market, its public funds and student tuition.

Posted by: His Royal Dudeness | May 28, 2018 at 03:12 AM

On the backs of unpaid labor.

Go Canes!!

Posted by: 86Cane | May 27, 2018 at 11:51 PM

💯

Had a glorious, albeit very windy afternoon on Ft Myers beach. We we’re stressed all week thinking it was going to be a total washout but around 1:00 it stopped and the day got progressively more beautiful.

raizecane

Remembering
our VETS!!! Happy Memorial Day all

raizecane

i'll be heading to Treasure Island tomorrow for 5 days....rain or shine!!!

86Cane

But its not really a free market, its public funds and student tuition.

Posted by: His Royal Dudeness | May 28, 2018 at 03:12 AM

NFL is free market. College is not.

TonyCane

Thirsty...it would be fun if the NCAA then stepped in and said that boosters giving money and benefits....even meals....to coaches would be violations and would subject the school to sanctions and penalties.

Imagine this headline:

CHIP KELLY ALLEGED TO HAVE RECEIVED MOCHA FROM BOOSTER
Los Angeles, CA - ESPN

The University of California is facing a new crisis this morning when sources at the NCAA revealed that head coach Chip Kelly received a free coffee from a booster during a meeting at Starbucks.

thirstybuzzardcane

👆👆👆LOL

Go Canes!!

Posted by: 86Cane | May 28, 2018 at 10:15 AM

It is for everyone but the guys people want to see.

Schools, coaches, bowls, TV, apparel companies are making billions.

The players are getting shafted.

86Cane

The players are getting shafted.

Posted by: Go Canes!! | May 28, 2018 at 10:58 AM

As long as the bloggers don't get shafted...

His Royal Dudeness

Posted by: Go Canes!! | May 28, 2018 at 10:58 AM

Its still not a free market. These are public institutions, supported with tax payer dollars and student tuition.

TruCane81

The football scholarship system is not the even exchange Soup wants to make it.

To force the players not to work or make their own money in their off time, then refuse to pay them fair market value and use coercive, exploitative means to deprive them of the ability to make money from their school associated image even after their career is over, is as American as it gets.

A chemistry major who makes a discovery that generates millions in donations does not get this kind of treatment. They can make their own money.

But America is the history’s greatest cesspool of hypocrisy. So nothing will change. Too bad. We have the opportunity to REALLY be the great nation the songs speak of.

But the fair thing is to pay players a large stipend, say $1000 a week in school and then calculate up a royalty payment.

Otherwise, cut the amateur phoniness and let these guys get their money where they can, whether it be boosters, local businesses, or otherwise.

orange 'n green in the vein

Anybody who agrees with GD on a collegiate sports team, quit today and join a professional sports team so you get money because that's where they pay for athletes who are good enough to play children's games.

Anybody not on a collegiate sports team who agrees with GD, you're a jock sniffing loser too.

TruCane81

Dude give it up.

You’re weak af homie.

thirstybuzzardcane

Posted by: 86Cane | May 28, 2018 at 10:15 AM

It is for everyone but the guys people want to see.

Schools, coaches, bowls, TV, apparel companies are making billions.

The players are getting shafted.

Posted by: Go Canes!! | May 28, 2018 at 10:58 AM


High School players aren't forced to go to college. They are more than welcome to wait the 3 years and try to walk on to an NFL team.

86Cane

Now I get it!

We should be led to believe that going to college for free, with paid tuition, room and board and excellent medical care, all while playing a sport you love and getting top notch coaching to help you become even better, is so unfair that it very well could be the worst thing that could ever happen to a person in life.

Oh the tragedy and horror of it all.

I mean going to college for free with free housing and great food and getting your degree is definitely way worse than paying for college yourself and having $100,000 in student debt when you graduate, or being unemployed, poor and homeless, or joining the military and getting shot at (or killed) or stuck at McDonald's for minimum wage for the rest of your life.

I mean who doesn't get that?

TruCane81

Cmon Soup.

You know there is way more to this than just free education, room , and board.

You don’t want to pay the players, fine but the NCAA should stay the hell out of their private business dealings.

Go Canes!!

Posted by: 86Cane | May 28, 2018 at 01:20 PM

Let me know when a TV network pays a billion dollars for people to watch you and your buddies get drunk at the rathskeller.

Until then comparing the “average person” to what Canes football players represent financially to the university is ridiculous.

College sports is a giant business and the kids making everyone else involved in it filthy rich are not getting a representative share of the money.

86Cane

1. Let me know when a TV network pays a billion dollars for people to watch you and your buddies get drunk at the rathskeller.

2. College sports is a giant business and the kids making everyone else involved in it filthy rich are not getting a representative share of the money.

Posted by: Go Canes!! | May 28, 2018 at 01:45 PM

I have no earthly understanding of where the ideas or basis for your arguments come from but I will play along just for kicks and giggles.

1. Highest rated show on YouTube. Check it.

2. Let's see, at $75,000 a year (UM tuition, housing, premium food, nutrition & fitness training and medical care) X 85 players = $5.1 Million / year times 4 years = $20,400,000. That seems like a pretty fair share of the profits to me but hey what do I know?

BTW...did I mention that the players get to travel by plane all over the United States and stay in really nice hotels for free? Other "average people" also known as "other college students" don't get that, do they? The unfairness and suffering just keeps increasing!

Please add another $10k/year per 85 players or $850,000 to the annual budget times another 4 years...or $3,400,000.

So we are now about at $25,000,000 over fours years for basic expenses for 85 players. Sign me up, I'll take it!

86Cane

Revenue generated by athletics through ticket sales, broadcast agreements and other sources continues to rise among Division I schools, but athletics-related expenses are climbing at a quicker pace, according to a report detailing revenues and expenses among NCAA institutions in 2013.

Expenses exceeded generated revenue at all but 20 schools in the Football Bowl Subdivision. The average loss among the five highest-resource conferences was $2.3 million, but was much higher — $17.6 million — at all other FBS schools. From 2012 to 2013, median annual generated revenues (all athletics revenues excluding those allocated through the government, the school or through student-activity fees) increased by 3.2 percent, yet median total expenses rose by 10.6 percent.

Athletic departments outside of the 20 schools whose revenues exceeded their expenses close the gap through subsidies provided by their institutions. But at the median Division I school, the athletics budget rose more quickly than the institutional budget, requiring the athletics department to take a larger percentage of institutional funds.

“If the trend of athletic spending outpacing institutional spending continues, institutions will need to be able to justify that spend to the university community and the general public,” said NCAA Chief Financial Officer Kathleen McNeely. “The value that athletics brings to campus life, life-long connection to alumni, and enhancing diversity on campus are all important outcomes from athletic programs that need to be celebrated and shared.”

More highlights from the 2013 reports:

Division I
The 20 Division I FBS programs whose revenues exceeded their expenses reported median net revenue of $8.45 million. Those schools represent 16 percent of FBS.

86Cane

https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/2017RES_D1-RevExp_Entire_2017_Final_20180123.pdf

2017 Revenue/Expense Summary from NCAA.

Go to page 13. Again only about 20-24 schools make money, the rest (including Miami) either lose money or break even.

Total average revenue: $52,000,000

Total average expenses: $71,000,000

Total net gain/(loss): ($14,000,000)

Even with football alone the total average loss was $3,500,000.

BigWindyCane1

Soup, thanks for taking to the time on Memorial Day to thank those who serve our country, and to remember those who paid the ultimate sacrifice!

Terrance Sullivan

Preach 86.

AeroCane

Soup you are correct 100%
Oh woe is me - I get to go to college for free, eat and be treated like an effing prince, travel and potentially go to the NFL! WTF - this is awesome
Btw - if I own a business, make millions, do I share this with my employees - HELL NO! I give them a little bonus or small profit share but by no means do they get more or deserve more / I'm taking the risks, if there is a shortfall I put it in with my own funds etc

Go Canes and thank goodness Morris is gone. I don't think DiMare is the guy, but he's a start

BigWindyCane1

Looks like the O/U is 10 for us! Sounds like a push to me.

https://twitter.com/Covers/status/1000814941371289600?s=19

Posted by: thirstybuzzardcane | May 27, 2018 at 10:19 PM

I think 10 is about right. Anything less would be disappointing, and anything more would be a good season with a Orange/Fiesta/Rose/Sugar-level bowl or better.

It’s time

CoCane

The NCAA shouldn't have to pay the players but the dam sure shouldn't block the players for getting paid off of themselves.

Also, the money and prestige generated by college football and basketball, is the reason why these universities can charge so much for tuition.

86Cane

Coke...stop doing too much product dude! LOL

His Royal Dudeness

High School players aren't forced to go to college. They are more than welcome to wait the 3 years and try to walk on to an NFL team.

Posted by: thirstybuzzardcane | May 28, 2018 at 12:54 PM

This is the most disingenuous statement is Canespace history, lol.

UMike

Sup spacers... anyone know when season tix go on sale? Or have they already?

TonyCane

“If the trend of athletic spending outpacing institutional spending continues, institutions will need to be able to justify that spend to the university community and the general public,” said NCAA Chief Financial Officer Kathleen McNeely.

Posted by: 86Cane | May 28, 2018 at 04:00 PM

It is going to be an increasingly hard sell.

Terrance Sullivan

UMike Season Tickets are already on sale!

Go Canes!!

Btw - if I own a business, make millions, do I share this with my employees - HELL NO! I give them a little bonus or small profit share but by no means do they get more or deserve more / I'm taking the risks, if there is a shortfall I put it in with my own funds etc

Posted by: AeroCane | May 28, 2018 at 04:51 PM

College football isn't supposed to be a be a business and wasn't supposed to make millions. They've spent countless dollars saying the exact opposite.

Imagine a business where all the owners, board members, management teams, vendors, licensing agencies and clothing manufacturers were making boatloads of cash...and not paying their employees.

I'm sure this quote would get a great public response:

"Well no we don't pay them, there just isn't enough money. But we train them, give them healthcare, a nice place to live and we feed them well!!"

Go Canes!!

Posted by: 86Cane | May 28, 2018 at 04:07 PM

Any big time football program losing money is doing so out of stupidity, mismanagement and greed.

If you click on just this link and don't think the players are getting completely screwed, well you willl never get it.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2017/11/26/fired-college-football-coaches-owed-more-than-60-million-buyouts/896451001/

Go Canes!!

Posted by: His Royal Dudeness | May 28, 2018 at 05:28 PM

You know you aren't required to go to college to apply to medical school.

TruCane81

Let me know when a TV network pays a billion dollars for people to watch you and your buddies get drunk at the rathskeller.

Until then comparing the “average person” to what Canes football players represent financially to the university is ridiculous.

College sports is a giant business and the kids making everyone else involved in it filthy rich are not getting a representative share of the money.

Posted by: Go Canes!! | May 28, 2018 at 01:45 PM

Real talk.

Old Skool

NCAA baseball tourney pairings announced. Canes will watching from home. Bye Morris. It was a good ride.

JCane

Hate seeing so many Florida schools in the baseball postseason without the U. It's odd, at the least. FU, FSU, USF, Stetson, etc. are all there, and Stetson is even hosting. Yuck. Will likely take at least a few years to become relevant again.

When I went to grad school at the U, I was already well in the hole. Anybody here who not only paid for college, but also worked hard for many years after to pay back the debt/interest which also helped allow the athletes to get degrees for free at schools without having to put in the academic work to get there won't necessarily feel too bad for them.

86Cane

Any big time football program losing money is doing so out of stupidity, mismanagement and greed.

Posted by: Go Canes!! | May 28, 2018 at 06:32 PM

This is the most ignorant and by far the dumbest statement in the history of Canespace.

Only 20 of 120 schools make money on athletics, the rest lose money. There are 100 schools LOSING money. And because Go Canes pontificates that they are ALL dumb, it must be true?

AeroCane

Imagine a business where all the owners, board members, management teams, vendors, licensing agencies and clothing manufacturers were making boatloads of cash...and not paying their employees.
Posted by: Go Canes

Wrong again GC! They effing are getting paid - you don't think a scholarship, free food, housing, trainers, strength coach etc isn't getting paid! Give an effing break! Sometimes you just say stupid shit to argue for the sake of it.
Top law schools don't let the students work their L1 year - even though my daughter is getting a Scholly, we still have to figure out how to pay for food, housing, etc - these athletes don't have this worry!

86Cane

Go Canes always says stupid shyte just to argue.

As does WWIN and Sinister some times.

It is what make the blog go round!

The ONLY one who is ALWAYS right is OGV.

Go Canes!!

Posted by: AeroCane | May 28, 2018 at 09:59 PM

Your duaghter's accomplishments are fantastic and I in know way mean to demean them.

But again, there aren't several major television networks lining up to pay billions of dollars two watch her go to law school.

The comparison is apples to oranges.

Your daughter is getting a fantastic education you and she should be so proud of.

Bu not only are these players responsible for a product generating literally billions of dollars of revenue for schools, closthing manufactuers, bowls, TV ececutives and Networks, they are basically funding the education for thousands and thousands of other student athletes from non-revenue producing sports as well.

The whole "yeah but you go to school fof free" argument is so antquated and absurd when compared to the dollars being thrown around.

Go Canes!!

Posted by: 86Cane | May 28, 2018 at 09:39 PM

I just showed up an example of how a handful of Powe 5 schools are paying $70 million for guys NOT to coach at their schools. I'd bet the number is likey $30 million more whe you tack on the assistant contracts owed.

Thats $100,000,000 in dead money contracts alone.

ONE HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS.

That doesn't even touch what they owe a ton of these fired ADs and their support staffs.

Lord we are soending booster donations on a #30,000,000 IPF right now.

Why?

To try to get us even close to the same playing field these other programs are building. All the while burning through cash like they're printing it out back.

There is so much money it's ridiculous.

Clemson's new $55 million football facility:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffP6i2ZQeoc

New Texas lockerooms:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iv-YpaEWHjg

There are dozens of examples just like this. It's an arms race with schools trying to out do eachother. Please don't tell me it's not waste and greed.

86Cane

The whole "yeah but you go to school fof free" argument is so antquated and absurd when compared to the dollars being thrown around.

Posted by: Go Canes!! | May 29, 2018 at 05:43 AM

You see there are these things called FACTS. I know you do not want them to get in the way of your emotions but still they exist in reality.

Most schools LOSE money. The net gain/loss of the major schools in FBS is -$14,000,000.

Is there a LOT of revenue? YES

Are there a LOT of expenses? YES

Do most schools lose money? YES

Is there an overall net gain or loss among the 120 or so major college athletic departments? LOSS

Are some bad investments and business decisions made along the way? YES

None of these FACTS change the fact that YES, the players are being paid more than fairly in what they receive in return for their time and efforts. Take anyone of them who refuses to accept the terms of their scholarship agreement and there are 100,000 other HS players who would gladly take their place. That alone tells you ALL you need to know about the situation.

It is NOT like a gig that is forced on anyone or that anyone has to accept. Rather all of them gladly accept the agreement with great joy and gratitude. Yet you feel sorry for them and claim they are treated unfairly and are suffering?

Take that nonsense and stuff it where the sun don't shine!

86Cane

1,000,000 high school football players screaming every year PICK ME, PICK ME! Only about 10,000 get chosen to play major college football. Yet you claim that those that get the honor and privilege to play and get a free college education are being taken advantage of. There are 990,000 other players who wish they could be so lucky!

Go Canes!!

You have it backwards as always.


The ELITE althetes, the ones making billions for everyone involved with the game don't have to scream pick me.

The coaches, boosters and fans are the ones doing that, not them.

Who was on here screaming and having a tantrum about the AH guys who went to Alabama and Georgia.

It sure as hell wasn't them.

They are the reason stadiums are full every Saturday, not the 990,000 kids you talke about out there who are inferior athletes. No one is paying to see them live or watch them on TV.


Go Canes!!

And you can contort the dollars to say anything you want as far as profitiability goes.

But when you do a quick count and just the top 25 paid college coaches will make over $130,000,000 this year, you sound like a stooge.

Think about it, between what the pay just those 25 guys and the dead money that's almost one quarter of a BILLION dollars in salary aies.

You have S & C coaches out there making $500k. There are programs out there paying ASSISTANTS $2 mllion per.

But go back to your handy NCAA pamphlet, it explains how they are all really losing money.

CoCane

The NCAA gets 10.8 billion a year from CBS sports. That's just 1 source of income...

86Cane

I have no idea once again about your thought process, line of reasoning or attempt at making any kind of logical argument.

I have already acknowledged that there is a lot of money being generated (revenues) and an equal or higher amount being spent (expenses) by these colleges. It is a big stakes contest for sure.

Why are you talking about watching on TV so much? That is not even the argument here? Nobody is arguing that we don't want to watch football on TV. Get a grip man!

But you still have not disproved one single thing that I said. Keep trying?

Go Canes!!

Co just did it for me.

You are in so far over your depth it's not funny.

IT's what happens when you try to use a 30 year old argument in today's world.

TV is bringing in BILLIONS to these programs. Not to mention the $100 million apparel deals and massive licensing agreements. That's before a single ticket is sold, a dollar of booster money is collected, a beer has been consumed or a single t-shirt has been bought.

$55 million athletic cities, $30 million IPFs, $10 million dollar head coaches, $2 million assistants....they can't spend it fast enough.

TruCane81


The NCAA gets 10.8 billion a year from CBS sports. That's just 1 source of income...

Posted by: CoCane | May 29, 2018 at 09:58 AM

Where is it all going?

I didn’t jump back in this argument because Soup is basing his argument on the accounting practices of bureaucrats, and we know how messy that can be.

If the NCAA and universities learned anything from the way our government and movie studios cook the books, look out.

Whether the programs are profitable does not mean anything. If they really can’t afford to pay the players and that accounting is accurate, who cares? But barring players from having jobs or making money in their own time to keep up the nonexistent illusion of amateurism just stinks.

Not even the olympics try to push that amateurism bullshit anymore, and they built it.

Go Canes!!

Posted by: TruCane81 | May 29, 2018 at 10:34 AM

Excellent work sir.

SinisterCane

and Sinister some times.

It is what make the blog go round!

The ONLY one who is ALWAYS right is OGV.

Posted by: 86Cane | May 28, 2018 at 10:25 PM

I still say NoO makes Patrick Nix look like the Philadelphia Eagles OC

SinisterCane

Correction

Posted by: 86Cane | May 28, 2018 at 10:25 PM

I still say NoO makes Patrick Nix look like the Scott Frost

Posted by: SinisterCane | May 29, 2018 at 11:19 AM

TruCane81

Sin at his finest.

86Cane

1. Co just did it for me.

2. IT's what happens when you try to use a 30 year old argument in today's world.

Posted by: Go Canes!! | May 29, 2018 at 10:31 AM

1. No he didn't. All he said was that CBS pays a lot of money to NCAA schools. I already acknowledged that there are a lot of revenues being brought in like 5 times. At the same time expenses match or exceed revenues at the majority (100 out of 120) universities.

2. Just because something is considered "old" does not make it invalid. Facts are facts, and truth is truth, old, new or indifferent. Calling something old does not equate to it being wrong or untrue. That is a weak attempt at trying to discredit another's point of view before it is even understood, analyzed or accepted.

All you do is keep moving the goal posts and changing the argument every time you are proven wrong. You can never acknowledge a single correct point or disprove any other point that you disagree with. You just like arguing for arguments sake.

Try again and try harder thank just saying that "there's a lot of money" in college athletics.

The only thing that was being debated was this:

1. Should the players be paid?

A: You say yes they should be paid money.

I claim that they already are generously compensated (being paid) to the tune of about $25,000,000 for an 85 man roster over 4 years.

2. Does their receiving free college tuition, meals, housing, training, health care, travel and other benefits constitute fair and adequate "payment" for their time, talent and effort?

You say it is not fair or adequate and that the players are being used, abused and taken advantage of by the big, bad, rich and powerful universities.

I say yes this is fair and reasonable and that the universities are being kind and generous to offer these student/athletes the opportunity to participate in collegiate athletics and get an education that many if not most could never afford otherwise.

I posted actual articles and facts about the financial status of major college athletic programs and you want people to support your feelings and opinions that someone is "getting shafted". Let's add college athletes to the list!

As I have already stated...if 990,000 other football players would gladly take the place of any of those who feel it is not fair or reasonable then that tells you all you need to know right there.

Go Canes!!

I claim that they already are generously compensated (being paid) to the tune of about $25,000,000 for an 85 man roster over 4 years.

Posted by: 86Cane | May 29, 2018 at 12:12 PM

Sigh

thirstybuzzardcane

Soup is on 🔥🔥🔥🔥

thirstybuzzardcane

They are the reason stadiums are full every Saturday, not the 990,000 kids you talke about out there who are inferior athletes. No one is paying to see them live or watch them on TV.


Posted by: Go Canes!! | May 29, 2018 at 09:39 AM


This is totally false! So you go to the games to see a certain kid play?


I don't care who's on the field, I go to the games to see that orange and green U on the helmet winning games. I'm rooting for that U no matter what sport!

You start paying the players, a lot of universities would have to shut down their programs.

Canes4life

Go canes whines about the unfairness to the players due to big business but contributes to that very business. You help fund the very thing your against. So either stop going to games watching it on tv and buying merchandise or stop complaining. Put your money where your mouth is. Without fans there is no money, business or tv deals. Without the fans their are a lot players with no chance at college and a better life. So I’ll take some unfairness so that thousands of kids have a chance at a better life.

TonyCane

It would be interesting to learn on an itemized basis what are the yearly operational expenses for Alabama’s football program (ie using one of the most profitable programs as a sample). It would be illuminating to see expenses for:

- Coaching staff
- Analytics
- Food preparation
- Travel and accomodation
- Medical care (this one I imagine is huge - an ACL reconstruction had to be pricey)
- Recruiting trips by staff
- Recruitment hosting by staff
- Media and social outreach
- Uniforms and equipment
- Maintenance and upgrades to player facilities

For all schools, I imagine that most of these costs are fairy similar. The variability would be in:

1) Coaching salaries
2) Maintenance and upgrades to team facilities

Offsetting costs the variables would be stadium attendance, television deals, and conference revenue sharing. A UT will have far more income strand to handle coaching turnover (third HC in five years) than an Oregon State for instance.


Go Canes!!

Posted by: Canes4life | May 29, 2018 at 01:15 PM

That's your solution?

Ok

Go Canes!!

Posted by: thirstybuzzardcane | May 29, 2018 at 12:44 PM

No they won't.

They'll just need to stop unchecked, irresponsible and obscene spending.

If you can't see the $55 million player's village at Clemson, the $10 million locker room at Texas or the $70 million construction at Ohio State is a way of keeping kids interested and coming, which keeps the money train flowing, all while never crossing the line of "amateurism" then we just agree to disagree.

86Cane

Tony...those financial numbers are available for public universities. Follow the links I posted above:

https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/2017RES_D1-RevExp_Entire_2017_Final_20180123.pdf

Starts on page 13

86Cane

So I’ll take some unfairness so that thousands of kids have a chance at a better life.

Posted by: Canes4life | May 29, 2018 at 01:15 PM

Imagine that? And to make it even better and sweeten the pot it is over 10,000 kids a year in just football alone!

But, no, no, no ,no...we would never want some kids who would most likely never make it otherwise to have a BETTER life, now would we? It is so simple a six year old or a 3rd grader could understand it. But not some here?

nemo2002

If I am not mistaken, scholarship athletes from low income households may also receive federal Pell Grants.

86Cane

Yeah, that's the solution, more Pell grants.

Good call there.

thirstybuzzardcane

This says a lot.

https://twitter.com/GatorsScott/status/640865339320999936?s=19

86Cane

TBC = smartest man on the blog!

His Royal Dudeness

What the players should do, is form an NCAA players union, and collectively bargain a slice of the TV, merchandise & stadium revenues. That money should be paid equally across the board to all players on scholarship.

His Royal Dudeness

They should also be allowed to be drafted and paid while attending school for 3 years. I bet you if this was a rule, the NFL would get rid of its 3 year rule.

His Royal Dudeness

Posted by: Go Canes!! | May 29, 2018 at 01:27 PM

Its unfair, but he's entertained. Words to live your life by right there.

CoCane

This is America. Capitalism on the highest level...

No major corporation in our society would last spending the billions that the NCAA does just to make a $900 million profit (so they claim).

Anyone that believes that bullshiggity, holler at me. I'll sell you a million dollars worth of sunshine at sunrise right here on my front porch.

The salvation army makes more then that annually and they donate much of the product.

TruCane81

I don’t believe that either, Co.

I wonder about the operating cost and salaries of the ncaa itself.

I suspect a closer look would result in unaccounted for funds and ridiculous expenditures.

$ 20000 paper clips? $5000 coffee cups?

Who knows. Just speculation, though.

thirstybuzzardcane


TBC = smartest man on the blog!

Posted by: 86Cane | May 29, 2018 at 07:59 PM


I wouldn't go that far! 😂😂


86Cane

What the players should do, is form an NCAA players union, and collectively bargain a slice of the TV, merchandise & stadium revenues. That money should be paid equally across the board to all players on scholarship.

Posted by: His Royal Dudeness | May 29, 2018 at 08:34 PM

OK, so this is the stupidest comment on the blog ever. Let them. Replacement players are 1,000,000 to 10.

#StupidIsAsStupidDoes

86Cane

No major corporation in our society would last spending the billions that the NCAA does just to make a $900 million profit (so they claim).

Posted by: CoCane | May 29, 2018 at 09:11 PM

They are not spending their own money to make the $900 million. They are spending sponsors money and YOUR money to make that.

Let that marinate for a while.

His Royal Dudeness

Posted by: 86Cane | May 29, 2018 at 10:28 PM

They are labor just like any other labor force, they should unionize and make their demands and if need be, bring them to a court of law. The NCAA only exists as it does because the NFL shuts the doors on the kids, and they do so ONLY because the NCAA acts as a free minor league service for them. Im sorry you dont like that because you are against paying them in a currency if their choice for their labor, it doesnt mean they couldnt legally win that fight.

His Royal Dudeness

Maybe the players should get options, 1) scholarship and all that it means, or 2) cash value of what that scholarship is.

His Royal Dudeness

I dont see why the kids should have to attend classes to go to the NFL either. Kind of silly really. Imagine if musicians had to write songs for a college, for 3 years, for free before they could sign a record deal.

His Royal Dudeness

Why cant a university just give a kid money for playing on their minor league team, and the kid just doesnt attend the school? It doesnt make sense. We like it this way because history, and rivalry, but it doesnt have to be that way. I suppose the fear is because it could ultimately lead to the death of university football. That bring the case, why not work with the NFL and alter the rules to make it a through and through minor league system? If the players do form a union, it could tear the NCAA apart, whereas if they proactively changed, they could in time save themselves. There are a bunch of questions in all this, I dont pretend to have all the answers, but I dont think digging in your heels and fighting change will help even a bit.

TruCane81

Well said, HRD.

thirstybuzzardcane

So are we paying every player the same amount?

His Royal Dudeness

Posted by: thirstybuzzardcane | May 30, 2018 at 12:56 AM

I dont know. This is why I think they should be paid by the NFL, while they are in the NFL's minor league system.

His Royal Dudeness

Posted by: thirstybuzzardcane | May 30, 2018 at 12:56 AM

Let an NFL team draft and pay Lorenzo Lingard and then the team can pull him out of college/minor league when he's completed his 3 years of service. His pay can go straight to a trust fund or something, again I dont pretend to have all the answers. I believe Larry Bird was a Celtic all through his last year at Indiana State, they drafted him a year early, although I dont know if they paid him. Maybe its both TBC, maybe every player is paid the same, but drafted players make more?

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