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SOUP

Soldo and MWD...great to have U posting here on The Space!

Post here, post often...

SOUP

Loco, you have enough experience to write a few blogs. It would truly be a pacifier until practice starts.

Posted by: Cavaleer | June 19, 2008 at 06:12 PM

Cav...roger that! Already happening.

solarcane

cav,
good observation on the pressure affecting them.
This season when they were loose, doing all their dugout choreography and playing like it was a "game" they were unstoppable.

peace

solarcane

Sept 12,1988 SI

( Back when FSU was hip hop to the bippity bop..... peace )

No More Rap Or Rep
Miami's 31-0 defeat of Florida State, the preseason No. 1, silenced the Seminoles
Rick Telander

Hunker down, all you little future Florida State gridders, and let's talk some real useful trash. Rule No. 1 of college football: Don't make nasty rap videos proclaiming yourselves the top team in the nation until you've got a good reason to do so—such as winning a game. (Never mind when the writers pick you before the season begins. If we knew anything, we would all be cranking out Harlequin romances and making a bundle.)

Rule No. 2: Don't make rap videos of any kind. As an art form, rap ranks with spray-painted subway cars and is best left to boys named Beastie or Fat.

Now, that said, let's remind the world that this year's Florida State football team did make one of the above-mentioned bits of video garbage, proclaiming itself No. 1 in a noxious dirge entitled The Seminole Rap, which debuted on a Tallahassee TV station last week. While fans in northern Florida were still learning the words so they could rap along with their heroes, the Noles traveled to the Orange Bowl, where the University of Miami thrashed them 31-0.

This game, moved to the top of the schedule after the University of Florida canceled its traditional early-season showdown with the Hurricanes, was a prime-time network stinker, a major hoopla-deflater, a far cry from last year's 26-25 thriller won by Miami in Tallahassee on Oct. 3. That game came down to the final seconds and cost Florida State a shot at the national championship. This one, a blowout from the opening kickoff, a game in which Miami outgained the Seminoles 450 yards to 242, came down to, oh, the final four quarters and may have cost Florida State the right to appear in public for a while.

How bad were the Seminoles? So bad that third-string Miami halfback Fred (Not Alonzo, He's My Cousin) High-smith rushed for five times the yardage made by Sammie Smith , Florida State 's Heisman hopeful. Make that former hopeful. Smith had six net yards on 10 carries and is still tweezing defenders out of his supporter. So bad that five Miami defenders picked off passes from the three Seminole quarterbacks—two from starter Chip Ferguson, two from replacement Peter Tom Willis and one from a desperate redshirt freshman named Casey Weldon . So bad that Florida State drove past midfield only three times, to the Miami 30, 40 and 38.

You want to hear how each of the Seminoles' drives ended? Check it out: punt, interception, punt, missed field goal, fumble, punt, halftime, interception, punt, punt, punt, interception, interception, interception. Set it to music. It's a rap.

The defeat marked the first time that Florida State had been shut out since 1976—Miami pulled that one off, too, 47-0. The Seminoles were so bad that it's hard to figure whether every one of them, plus coach Bobby Bowden and his staff, had a career off day or whether they're simply not very good. Or is it possible that the Hurricanes of coach Jimmy Johnson , last year's national champs, are that good again?

Seventeen Miami players from last season's 12-0 team were either drafted or signed as free agents by the NFL last spring; eight made their pro teams, and four are starting. It seemed reasonable to assume that the Hurricanes' talent quotient would have to drop way off this season, with seven new starters on offense and six on defense. But the players who stepped in against Florida State performed like cagey vets. Sophomore halfback Leonard Conley, 5'9" and 170 pounds, carried 17 times for 67 mostly up-the-gut yards and could almost make you forget Warren Williams, Miami 's leading rusher in '87. And fullback Cleveland Gary (12 carries for 46 yards and a touchdown; four catches for 43 yards) proved to be a fine replacement for the departed Mr. Versatile, Melvin Bratton . Indeed, Gary is a load to stop and may have the best receiving hands among the Hurricanes.

"I've nicknamed him Buffalo," said Miami associate athletic director Larry Wahl during the game. "He runs like one, plus that gives him three rust-belt cities in his name. What do you think?"

On the 'Canes' defense, first-time starters such as strong safety Bobby Harden (five tackles and an interception) and weakside linebacker Maurice Crum (11 tackles—three for losses—and one sack) played brilliantly. Cornerback Kenny Berry, who had six tackles and an interception, started only once last season. "People didn't think we could be as good as last year's players," said linebacker Bernard Clark after the rout. "But we knew we could. We came in to prove a point."

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Miami's 31-0 defeat of Florida State, the preseason No. 1, silenced the Seminoles
Rick Telander

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Bowden had a premonition about this. On Thursday he said, "I have a feeling Jimmy's defense is as good as last year's. Maybe not individually, but the total package."

He was right. It's that total package, personally choreographed by Johnson , once an undersized Arkansas nose-guard, that never seems to change. Year in and year out it's the defense, not the high-tech Hurricane offense, that wins for Miami . It was the defense that turned Saturday's game into a yawner. Keep in mind, Florida State had averaged 35.8 points per game over the past four years, and Bowden had said this year's squad was his deepest ever at the skill positions. But the Hurricanes ate up the Seminoles' offensive line, shut down their backs and receivers and disheartened their trio of baffled and overmatched quarterbacks.

At some point during the game—maybe toward the end of the second quarter, when State started at its own 20 and in three offensive plays regressed to its own 16—onlookers began to recall that Miami had beaten the preseason No. 1 team five times in the past five years, had won 32 straight regular season games and hadn't lost to the Seminoles since 1984. "Winning is a habit; losing is a habit," said Johnson before the game. "Right now our habit is winning."

That's why Bowden wasn't thrilled with his team's rap video, performed by the entire squad in full uniform, though he had reluctantly consented to it. "We'll have to eat that thing if we lose," he said knowingly. While everyone else was saying that this game would go right down to the wire, Bowden had a contrary feeling about that, too. "If either of us makes a gob of mistakes and the other one doesn't, it might not be so close," he warned.

Well, Florida State made a gob of mistakes. The largest was showing up on a night when the Hurricanes would play almost flawlessly. Deceptively efficient quarterback Steve Walsh—he completed 18 of 37 passes for 228 yards, two touchdowns and no interceptions—missed some receivers, but he never took a sack and he never screwed up. Even with Miami leading 17-0 at the half, Walsh stayed on full battle alert in the locker room. " Coach Johnson was screaming. I was screaming. I wouldn't let anybody let up," he said later.

Walsh even occasionally threw directly into the face of All-America cornerback and All-World hustler Deion (Neon) Sanders. Sanders, who earned $60,000 playing minor league baseball in the New York Yankee organization this summer and ran a 10.53 100 meters last spring for the Florida State track team in his first competitive race at that distance, wears, by his own tally, "five to seven thousand dollars' " worth of gold chains around his neck when he's not on the field. Among his gold pendants are the number 2 (his jersey numeral), an arrowhead (the Seminoles' helmet emblem), the words PRIME TIME (one of his nicknames) and two large dollar signs. So what's happening, Deion?

"Money," he replies. "That's what they called me in baseball: 'Money.' That's what it's all about."

It was all about brute strength on Miami 's first touchdown, when fullback Gary carried Sanders from the four-yard line into the end zone early in the second quarter for a 10-0 Miami lead. It wasn't Sanders's fault, really. The Hurricane offensive line, comprising tackles Darrin Bruce and John O'Neill, guards Mike Sullivan and Bobby Garcia, and center Rod Holder, pushed Florida State 's front wall around all night, making it necessary for defensive backs like Sanders to come up and stop Miami runners one-on-one.

"He's still a good athlete," said Hurricane cornerback Don Ellis of the flamboyant Sanders. "He, personally, played up to par. But what about that video? Imagine if we'd done that. We've been [portrayed as] the bad guys for so long, imagine what people would've said even if we'd done that after winning the national championship."

It's a fair point. In recent years, the Miami football team has been taken to task for committing a host of moral, legal and educational sins. Stung by charges that the Hurricanes were out of control, the university's administration has slowly begun to address the ills that arose during the school's headlong rush to create a monster football program. Notably, midway through last week, Miami announced that it wouldn't offer a scholarship to star high school wide receiver Leslie Shepherd of Fort Washington , Md., because his academic record wasn't up to snuff. Shepherd had been eager to play for the Hurricanes, but, said Johnson , "Leslie's father indicated there were quite a few other schools waiting in line to take him." A few years ago Miami would probably have allowed Johnson to sign Shepherd. Of course, there is so much schoolboy talent in the Hurricanes' backyard that Miami can afford to pass on Shepherd, but Johnson does seem eager to rid his 'Canes of their outlaw image.

Still, Miami will never be like other big-time football schools. The city around the private university of 13,500 is too diverse, too cosmopolitan to turn the campus into Happy Valley U. "It's a rough town for support," says senior defensive end Bill Hawkins. "At other places you see all kinds of signs and stuff supporting the college team. Here, there's almost nothing, just one sign at a little bar on U.S. 1. But I think we thrive on that."

Given all that, it may just be time to declare that Johnson , he of the Texas twang and the freeze-dried hair, is one of the best college coaches alive. His four-year record at Miami is now an astonishing 41-8. Who else can you hang the Hurricanes' success on? Johnson and homegrown Florida athletes, of whom Miami has 62 this year, are the consistent threads.

And what are we to make of Florida State ? First, the Seminoles had better find a quarterback who can lead and throw deep. (State's next opponent, Southern Mississippi , may help cure this deficiency.) Second, the Seminoles had better do some soul-searching. They're not No. 1 anymore. They're not even the best team in the state.

"They must've had a lot of busted plays," said Hurricane defensive end Willis Peguese after the game. "I mean, they can't be that bad. It was ridiculous. Too ridiculous. I just stopped and said, 'What is this?' "

It's hard to salvage much from such wreckage. But then young men can always bounce back. Or as Miami 's Ellis slyly notes, "They still got the rap video. They got that."

But listen. Isn't that the sound of molars meeting videotape?


solarcane

sorry about the mid article scud, forgot to delete it, the story is complete though.
peace

solarcane

You want to hear how each of the Seminoles' drives ended?
"Check it out: punt, interception, punt, missed field goal, fumble, punt, halftime, interception, punt, punt, punt, interception, interception, interception. Set it to music. It's a rap."

How sweet it was!
peace


4-Real

Don't like where this class is headed. This staff has yet to prove that they can develope talent. Why not go after some of the top-notch o-linemen instead of giving scholys to skinny-ass tight ends in hope of turning them into fierce ass linemen 2 to 3 years from now? We don't have that kind of time people! Just don't make much sense to me to waste so much time and energy on the tight end position when the real need is at o-line and cornerback. This staff should be sleeping on both Gabe Lynn and Nick A (the lineman from Naples) front porch!

Calvin

4-real, just rememebr this, alot of times guys that make good to great left tackles are guys who can move like tight-ends, which means they have quick feet. nick alajian will more than likely be a road grader, somewhere in the interior, and that guy name x'iafilo, something like that who cory they say cory white bonded with may also be on his way here, we'll have offensive lineman coming in this year, we have an extra scholarship right now from the luqman transfer. As far as db's go, gabe lynn looks like he's a player, but if we end up with jayron hosley, Michael carter and brandon mcgee, along with some o-lineman and tight ends, i'd be happy with that.

nycanes25

Calvin,

Your right. Look at Symonnette, he was huge and high school but is too slow for Major D1. Ill take an athletic 6'6 with a big frame and pack the weight on him anyday. Plus, watch how all these sleepers Miami recruits blow up. Notice how FLorida is after the DE that was MVP at the Camp or the Hammond kid from last year.

Loco

Don't like where this class is headed. This staff has yet to prove that they can develope talent. Why not go after some of the top-notch o-linemen instead of giving scholys to skinny-ass tight ends in hope of turning them into fierce ass linemen 2 to 3 years from now?

Posted by: 4-Real | June 19, 2008 at 10:11 PM

Eric Winston was a Tight End. So was Warren Sapp. Granted this doesn't always happen, but remember, Shannon and Co aren't recruiting based on stars and size only. They are looking at the complete package. Also, if there is a recruit that most definitely does not want to go to your school, you generally stop wasting time on him

nycanes25

Jason Fox was a tight end and he is our best Oline. The Canes need to get some big guards and center for a change.

canesfan2121

"4-real", dont go judging so early, this staff hasnt had time to develop talent...talent doesnt develop overnight

Old Skool

Our yet another committment appears to be Mike James a RB from Davenport Florida.

SOUP

Mike James a RB from Davenport Florida.

Posted by: Old Skool | June 20, 2008 at 08:06 AM

If so that's my territory SW of Orlando and I will be scouting him during this HS football season. Canechic, Angry and I will be scouting potential UM recruits at HS football games all across Central Florida this year and filing reports on The Space each week.

SOUP

CANESPACE CONTENT ALERT UPDATE:

Part I of the Lamar Thomas Interview will be posted tonight at 8 PM.

Part II will be posted Sunday at 8 PM.

Part III will post on Tuesday night at 8 PM.

We will try to get LT#36 for a LIVE chat on The Space on Monday, Tuesday or Wednesday night next week.

More to follow...

Cane Since 1982

Anybody know anything about the MNW RB that commited to WVU?

Loco

For those of you who have a slight interest in college baseball now that the Canes are eliminated... UNC beat LSU last night, so the last 4 teams remeaining are Stanford, UNC, Fresno State and UGA

Cane Since 1982

Loco UNC LSU finish up there game today at 7 it got rained out last night in the 1st. UNC has 2-0 lead in the bottom of the 1st.

Cavaleer

"At some point during the game—maybe toward the end of the second quarter, when State started at its own 20 and in three offensive plays regressed to its own 16—onlookers began to recall that Miami had beaten the preseason No. 1 team five times in the past five years, had won 32 straight regular season games and hadn't lost to the Seminoles since 1984. "Winning is a habit; losing is a habit," said Johnson before the game. "Right now our habit is winning.""


Solar, another classic find from you. Where did you find this gem?? Don't say SI. lol

This quote/stat says it all if you ask me. And we did it again in '89. So six straight years beating the pre-season #1.

Has any other school EVER done something close to this?? I doubt it.

Loco

Loco UNC LSU finish up there game today at 7 it got rained out last night in the 1st. UNC has 2-0 lead in the bottom of the 1st.

Posted by: Cane Since 1982 | June 20, 2008 at 10:14 AM

Oh, I didn't know that. Thanks

Cane Since 1982

Loco,

This also really screws the winner of UNC/LSU as they will play a game tonight and have to play Sat Sun vs. Fresno and then Mon Tue possibly Wed to win the championship.

Cavaleer

4-Real, CALM YOUR NUTZ, bro. ;-)

It's June. How can you draw conclusions about a class in June?? This time last year we had PJ as the big commit. Look how this class ended up.

How can you draw conclusions about the this staff's ability to "develop talent" when they haven't had any talent to develop, for one year of all things?

Do you know all the kids we're recruiting?? If not how can you say we're not recruiting OL??

Have you read Shannon's quotes about the teams "numbers", and how short we still are??

Team Shannon knows this team's needs a whole helluva lot better than we do.

I have my questions about some of the decisions but what do I know being on the outside looking in?

For example, WHY haven't we offered Jamal Berry, yet we've now offered this kid from Orlando area?? And Berry has said he loves the Canes.

It makes no sense unless Jamal's grades are just pizz-poor. But you can bet OSU, UF, FSU, Rutgers and a many others will snap him up without a second thought.

Unlike the Idiot, Larry Coker, Shannon knows is his muscles and bones what Hurricane Football is.

Just on that and what I know about Shannon as a man, I'm not worried, even when I do have questions. ;)

Cat5 Cane


Kinda embarrassed but to the hell with it.

Economy is getting rough and looking for employment with stable environment... Many years in senior account management and sales, achieving 50 million in sales, over a 10 year span. Pro experience in restaurant equipment development and the Hurricane Construction/Shutter Industry while mitigating wind storm insurance policies...

So, If you know of a place for this old timer, who still has the "It", in bring it on!... Let me know.
Thanks Cat

Cavaleer

Solar, I just re-read that piece from the top.....SI!!! LOL.

Cane Since 1982

Cat,

Only thing that comes to mind is the possible opening OcalaCane mentioned to me back when I was going through the same thing. Im pretty sure you have ocala's contact info. You may want to hit him up for a phone conversation.

Cavaleer

Cat5, you have tons of experience. Have you checked out all the web sites?? Also, can you relocate? If you can relocate you shouldn't have any trouble.

Cavaleer

Cat5, also, have you thought about claims adjusting??? You know it inside and out but it doesn't sound like you've done it from the insurance companies side.

Esteban

Guillermo Diaz story. He's over in Italy playing in the playoffs over there. Playing PG full time unlike when he was in the D-League and in Europe last year where he played the 2.

http://www.miamitropicslive.com/news/viewnews.php?v=1221

Cavaleer

BTW, I do HR stuff, in case you were wondering. lol

Cane Since 1982

BTW Cat

The Canespace sticker looks great on my truck. You and whoever else may have helped did a great job. I suggest all to get one they look awsome.

DallasTX Cane

"At some point during the game—maybe toward the end of the second quarter, when State started at its own 20 and in three offensive plays regressed to its own 16—onlookers began to recall that Miami had beaten the preseason No. 1 team five times in the past five years, had won 32 straight regular season games and hadn't lost to the Seminoles since 1984. "Winning is a habit; losing is a habit," said Johnson before the game. "Right now our habit is winning.""


Solar, another classic find from you. Where did you find this gem?? Don't say SI. lol

This quote/stat says it all if you ask me. And we did it again in '89. So six straight years beating the pre-season #1.

Has any other school EVER done something close to this?? I doubt it.

Posted by: Cavaleer | June 20, 2008 at 10:14 AM


Cav, its very unlikely any other school has done it...it takes some lucky scheduling breaks to even get scheduled to play the pre-season #1 6 years in a row. Best part is JJ's quote about winning and losing being a habit. Randy needs to break this team of the losing habit...quickly.

DallasTX Cane

Aaahhhh "HR stuff"...so THAT explains it! LOL

Cat5 Cane

82 , Cav... thanks for your concerns

Relocation is OK, if company sponsored, but with so many unemployed, have found that that many companies are hiring locally... For every job on the web there are 300 to a 1000 applicants and 50% of those are with degrees.
Web sites, as in career builders and other yes, but not having a degree and I believe age has been a issue.
Not certified as an Insurance Adjuster but willing to take required courses (about 9 months). Did have a 210 (life and health) licence but that was in the 70's... but still familiar with the industry.
Probably best suited in company accounts management and/or sales consultant capacity... but I don't want to limit myself with other expertise's not mentioned.

basicly, a ton of ewxperience with no paper trail.

Loco

86 you've got mail

Cat5 Cane


Hate putting my laundry out to dry but being bashful has never been a issue with me!... POP CORN, Soda's... who wants some, see busty Wanda in tent 5... LOL

82... LOGO's...that was me, baby, all mine, from conception to finish!

OOOHHHH a headhunter... Great!
Cav... email me and I'll send a resume...
Cat5cane@gmail.com

Cat5 Cane

What did I do, .. kill the blog?

Sorry for the interuuption! Please continue!!!

Cat5 Cane

spelling to fast and not checking... does it every time... lets try Interruption

Cat5 Cane

OHhh this is good... now lets try...Too.

Just one of those days, B's and G's.

Gotta run, catcha later.

Cavaleer

Cat, you know the Legion isn't a bunch of fair weatherers. Plus, you never know who someone knows unless you ask.

We'll see what we can do.

DallasTX Cane

Hang in there Cat5 and stay positive!

CanesgirlNC

^^find a sugar-momma Cat 5......;-D (and NO I am NOT offering)....

DallasTX Cane

LMAO CGNC! U Better NOT offer...if that gig is open, I want it!! LOL

CanesgirlNC

DTC - what is happening out thar in Tx?

DallasTX Cane

busy week this week CGNC. Spent last week in p-cola on the beach. So, had some catching up to do. Came back tan and sort of rested...i need to figure out 2 week vacations! LOL I really want to get down to S.FL, but my mom and 1 sis live in p-cola AND its only an 11 hour drive frm dallas. So, i went slumming! ha ha

DallasTX Cane

Whats up w/U these days?? nice accent BTW!

Esteban

i need to move to pensacola so i can attend some of roy jones matches he sets up.

Six

"Don't like where this class is headed. This staff has yet to prove that they can develope talent ..." - 4Real

4Real, eaaaaasy bro. I think this following phrase is going to be completely beat down right up until signing day - we're not Boss Man Shannon, C. Hurtt, M. Barrow, J. Stoutland, A. Hill, etc. There's a reason they pulled the #1 class in the nation last year according to ESPN and a top 4 class in basically every other publication. No, they're not going to get a class that has such a high ceiling for potential like the one this past year - no one can accomplish that, I don't give a damn who you are, you're not going to land the #1 LB (along with the #4, #5, #13, #37, #56) every year ... you're not going to land the #1 DT (along with the #19, #29) every year ... you're not going to land the #2 Safety (along with the #7 and #12) and the #3 DB every year ... the #1 FB out of JUCO every year ... the same goes with all the high rated WR's, Athletes, OL, etc.

They know what they need to do, what their priorities are and where they need to build depth. I'm pretty sure if any of us can find the eligibility depth chart on SCOUT.com,

http://miami.scout.com/a.z?s=13&p=9&c=16&yr=2008

then Boss Man and his staff can as well - or maybe they don't need to b/c they're running the ship and know all this info down to the exact date and time, as opposed to fans like us that sit around and speculate about it. They'll know more about what The U needs than any of us combined x 1,0000 will ever know. Jason Fox was a perfect example pointed out, along with Warren Sapp - size can be added on, footwork can be practiced over and over, it's not unheard of to have players move to other positions once they get to college. Allen Bailey anyone? Clinton Portis was recruited by Spurrier to be a defensive back. Jim Kelly was recruited by Paterno to be a linebacker. My boy Hines Ward in college was all over the damn place. DJ Williams played 11 games at FB his freshman year at The U, he even caught the go-ahead touchdown against the Crocs in the Sugar Bowl.

As for "this staff has yet to prove that they can develop talent" - ya, true b/c it's only their 2nd year on the job with their only true recruiting class coming in this year. They haven't proved it, but they also haven't dis-proved it.

As for Zach Kane - the kid seems like he needs to wake up and smell the responsibility. Ya, love the intensity and violence he may bring on the field to the opposing team, but damn, does he remind anyone of Lattimer from that movie, The Program? I'm not saying he did it or didn't do it - but the fact his name was even associated with it makes me shake my head, esp. after reading about some of the antics he pulled when playing high school ball. I hope it's not true and I hope he gets all that "Lattimer" sh*t out of his system - what good is a kid on your team that can't play b/c he's an off the field issue? That's a wasted scholly and roster spot right there. Same goes with kids who don't take their academics seriously enough to keep them eligible to play.

JoeCanes22

Last Day in North Carolina CGNC!

DallasTX Cane

Regarding the recruiting class comment:

Seems to me that RS's 1st two classes were, initially at least, pretty much universally deemed a success. Great successes in fact.

Let the man work. There's a whole lotta time and whole lot more interesting stuff, like the entire freakin season, before its recruiting time again. worry bout how the players we have now are going to perform on the field this fall.

Finally, isn't it that very philosophy - sign the highest "ranked" players that are regarded as "ready to play" first and foremost - the very reason our program declined the way it did? How well received were Coker's classes, especially in 02 and 03? How well did those players perform, on the field, in 05-06-07?? Compare that to the unheralded classes from 96-99 that went on to be regarded as the greatest or at least one of the greatest collection of college football talent ever. How many wins on the field and 1st round draftees did those classes produce?

I'm all for high ranked recruiting classes. BUT...realize that it ain't how they start but how they finish that really matters.

miamimike01

excellent last few posts.

Anyone who turns on Randy this early in his career, I have to question your fanhood. This is not a quick fix, people. Everything seems to me to be headed in the right direction.

Can't wait to see the Lamar interview.

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