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October 26, 2009

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miamimike01

#1 Harris, excluded. He's playing well.

dlu

If you are getting beat a lot long and average qtbacks are tearing it up having career games against your defense, then it does not take a genius to figure out a whole lot of defensive changes need to be made.

In a 3 wk span ga tech revamped their defense twice, so I read, yet the U cannot make major changes because guys are not ready like Shields, not buying that.

Whipple comes in and bam, offense is greatly improved, so no excuses accepted on defense.

phillyscott

Not really looking back at Clemson, it's over, and we are beating the horse dead, BUT, Had we blitzed that kid, he would have crapped himself, instead of having a day he only dreamed of.....They were not even holding a back in to help block, because except for maybe 4 plays, they had no reason to, their 5 were handling our 4....make that 5 on 5, or 5 on 6, this kid doesnt have all day to find an open guy, and has to make split second decisions, which I dont see him having the talent to do...
Wish truth would come back around, and tell every one, chill the f#$k out, aint no big deal between whipple and shannon, just one of those things
The real test is does the team fold like a tent as in past 2-3 years, or do they come out and beat the hell out of Wake

dlu

U of Cinn. lost 9 starters on their defense last yr, but come out this yr. and shut teams down , but the U does not have their talent, no buying that.

Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer

again, i don't understand why everybody is suicidal about 2 losses. which is worse: a young Miami team upset by Clemson or a veteran LSU team losing their second game to Arkansas in 2007? let's put this in perspective.

Posted by: Daytoncane | October 26, 2009 at 08:15 PM

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Dayton, very good point. Funny how everyone forgets about that. I just want to see these kids come out angry, like true Hurricanes, like Shannon did, when they wouldn't talk to their girlfriends the week after a loss.

We'll see.

orange 'n green in the vein

"What did va.tech's defense do to JH all kinds of dif. blitzes, pretty good DC at va.tech.
What about okla pretty good dc at OU brings the heat all the time.

I think the U has plenty of defensive talent example: when they had time and game planned for ga tech the U shut ga tech down, you do not do that without talent , but talent must be directed to take away the offensive strength to be effective.

Posted by: dlu | October 26, 2009 at 08:35 PM"

Bud Foster, never won anything that really meant anything at VT. But hey, he blitzes and they play special teams, let's be like them. OU, Brent Venerables? We beat them. They are notorious for losing the big games now by the way. And they've blitzed their way to losses versus such powers as TCU at home during his tenure. But hey, Bob Stoops has a cool nickname that almost rhymes, so let's be like them too.

I've said this before, but it bears repeating. If my 11 guys are more athletic than your 11 guys across the LOS from them, I'm playing straight up vanilla defense and letting my more athletic players outplay your less athletic players in 11 one-on-one battles. Now when you start factoring in depth and lack thereof is when it gets tricky, but vanilla isn't necessarily bad when you've got the athletes to use it as your trump suit. We just don't have enough athletes to rely on it week-in-week-out yet. But give the coaching staff two more years to recruit and it'll be just fine.

phillyscott

We only allowed 20pts on D during regulation. Spiller was shut down in the run game. He caught 1 long pass. Why would you start blitzing like crazy with those numbers? If the O completes some drives, doesnt Turn IT OVER 4 TIMES and the ST's make a tackle, the pass rush wouldnt even be an issue.

Posted by: jimmy

look at the Clemson QB's passing stats, watch the game again, and see how he had time to pitch a tent, cook a hot dog, then find a receiver....you cant give ANYONE that kind of time, and expect DBs to cover for that long....we have made several average QBs look like superstars.....I am not concerned with "historically" we are not a blitzing team...here and now we HAVE to be a blitzing team, especially with a pretty damn good QB coming up this week..

I am proud of this team's efforts, we had 4 turnovers, gave up a kick return for TD, and they never quit....Jacory's TD after giving up the pick 6 to me was play of the year, and why I wouldnt trade him for anyone, but that play alone should have had us still throwing, instead of the 2 occurrances of run 3 and punt/FG

Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer

DLU, you can't compare our D and DC to VT's at this point, you really can't.

Lovett was confident against UCF so he blitzed and blitzed well. CLEARLY, as MM01 said, he wasn't confident against Clemson for obvious reasons. However, sometimes you have to get to the QB before he gets to you.

Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer

You just summed up the thought that is keeping me going. In total agreement.

Posted by: JSQ | October 26, 2009 at 08:30 PM

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Like K-II said,

"NAH MAN, I'M PIZZED!!!"

This after losing his 2nd game as a college football player. You'd think he'd take it in stride right??

NOT WHEN YOU HATE IT.

We'll see how loosey goofy Jacory is now. He should be more pizzed than anyone, even though he made some great plays to atone for his mistakes, his mistakes ultimately cost us the game.

They HAVE to be pizzed. But I'll tell you, this is exactly how young lions learn to kill...BY LOSING.

We've lost two games this year because we didn't come to BALL from the first to the last, as a TEAM.

We've won 3 great games where we came to ball from the first to the last, AS A TEAM.

So now, maybe, just maybe the message will sink in, into their minds and hearts and muscles.

You can never relax. You can never relent. That's what the off-season is for.

JSQ

Okay, it's over. Again. Time to get over it, time get pumped up for Wake, and time to watch Portis and Moss tonight! GO 'CANES!!!

dlu

Cav, I do not care two wits about Lovett and his confidence, I care about Cane football. Right now Whipple is number 1 on my list of coaches way in front of everyone else, Why because he brought life to the offense, if Whipple would have failed badly I would not care a thing about him. Results, not excuses is all that matters when you play the game. Is like war, you know that well Cav.

86Cane

U of Cinn. lost 9 starters on their defense last yr, but come out this yr. and shut teams down , but the U does not have their talent, no buying that.

Posted by: dlu | October 26, 2009 at 08:45 PM

Hmmmmmmmm...

pb(CSROH10)

Just curious, if you blitz and don't get pressure what does that do to your defensive backfield?

I don't think a lot of people realize what you are asking of Vernon, Smith, Porter and your banged up linebacking corp. Didnt we have a converted safety playing in the middle the whole second half?

Isn't one starting DB a true sophomore and the other a senior with one summers worth of experience? Isn't that guys back up a true freshman?

Isn't our starting safety making his seventh career start and the other a banged up overachiever playing with a blown shoulder?

Damn guys see things for what they are.

Give me a healthy Fortson, Ojomo, Mc Carthy, Spence and Moncur and we can talk.

But asking that lineup of newbies to take even more chances? Against Spiller and Ford?

To quote the great BG...Child please!!!


Daytoncane

again dlu, im not trying to bash you but you're implying that Lovett trusts the secondary to cover with a single safety or zero coverage. maybe Foster trusts his guys more. Venables should trust his guys more seeing as he has one of the best d-lines in the country.

a guy like John Tenuta or Foster is great until his defense is burnt by an offense that can pick up the blitz.

like i said the coaching staff isn't without blame, but it's ultimately up to the players to execute. how about placing some of the blame on McGriff? our corners have looked average at best since he's been here(outside of Harris). it really shows you how good of a secondary coach Tim Walton was.

86Cane

Now when you start factoring in depth and lack thereof is when it gets tricky, but vanilla isn't necessarily bad when you've got the athletes to use it as your trump suit.

Posted by: orange 'n green in the vein | October 26, 2009 at 08:45 PM

Vanilla? VANILLA??? Now U want to talk about friggin' vanilla?

Forget vanilla. I want some damn CHOCOLATE and I want it now!

That or tequilla, or maybe BOTH. Do they make chocolate tequilla?

mi@mic@ne

Two very simple words of wisdom for coaching staff...

1.You kill the head and the body will follow.

2. When the game is on the line you put the ball in your best players hands.

If we were as healthy as we were at the beginning of the yr we would have beat Clemson by two touches. That aint the same team that played against GT or Okie and Fswho

dlu

Well its not working the defense, it is not working, go down like cry babies afraid to attack, or go down like a man, trying to kick azz.

pb(CSROH10)

U of Cinn. lost 9 starters on their defense last yr, but come out this yr. and shut teams down , but the U does not have their talent, no buying that.

Posted by: dlu | October 26, 2009 at 08:45 PM


Rutgers
Southeast Missouri State
Oregon State
Fresno State
Miami (OH)
South Florida
Louisville

It is very impressive what they've done against this brutal schedule.

Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer

If you are getting beat a lot long and average qtbacks are tearing it up having career games against your defense, then it does not take a genius to figure out a whole lot of defensive changes need to be made.

In a 3 wk span ga tech revamped their defense twice, so I read, yet the U cannot make major changes because guys are not ready like Shields, not buying that.

Whipple comes in and bam, offense is greatly improved, so no excuses accepted on defense.

Posted by: dlu | October 26, 2009 at 08:41 PM

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DLU, again, how many converted WRs does GT have in their DB unit?? Ditto Cinci? How many true freshmen outplaying seniors?

I'm not really disgreeing with you, I'm just comparing one game where he blitzed very well to this past game where he didn't at all.

Our D started out as a reasonable strength then we saw some weaknesses and some strengths. I thought we were gelling against UCF, and even in the 1st half against Clemson. But I think the TOs and other missed opportunities turned this into a game that favored Clemson and put our defense at its weakest point.

I know what you're saying, and I know Lovett is probably thinking the same thing. Heck, if he isn't he should be especially given how well it worked last week. Then again there was no Spiller or Ford last week for Shields to try to cover.

mi@mic@ne

Its important that we win the rest of our games... but its more important to have some very good ballers coming into this class. If we could win with Clappy at the helm ... we know its a matter of time cause the Boss will get them prepared and we can play base d.

dlu

Pb, in all honestly I think Cinn. would tear the U up especially on offense. Clemson's offense is punk compared to Cinn. saw two games Cinn played, Rutgers and S. Fla. they Cinn have one heck of a head coach.

Now if the U played Cinn, bringing the house 50% of the time or more than I take the U. I say the U should have beat fsu by 3 touchdowns and Clemson by 2 touchdowns but whem you played scared defense it reeks throught he whole defensive unit. sickens the defensive players.

mi@mic@ne

I mean my argument is that we absolutely need to have the rotation of good talent. Then the coaches will look like geniuses. exam. Clappy.

86Cane

Well its not working the defense, it is not working, go down like cry babies afraid to attack, or go down like a man, trying to kick azz.

Posted by: dlu | October 26, 2009 at 09:25 PM

I agree 100%.

moneycane

The problem with the D was 3rd down. I don't know how many times Clemson got a first down on 3 & & 7+. Even the TD in ot was on 3rd and 11. Maybe we could have blitz more on third down but everything looks good in hindsight. I have no problems with the calls on O in OT, because at the start of OT we gashed them for 20 yrds. The loss hurts and it's the nature of the beast to second guess things after a tough loss. What I don't get is all the people who want heads to roll after a loss in OT.

86Cane

DLU, again, how many converted WRs does GT have in their DB unit?? Ditto Cinci? How many true freshmen outplaying seniors?

Posted by: Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer | October 26, 2009 at 09:27 PM

How many excuses can U possibly generate in one day? LAUGHABLE!

dlu

well I am out befor I go further over-board, good luck Canes>>>

orange 'n green in the vein

"What I don't get is all the people who want heads to roll after a loss in OT.

Posted by: moneycane | October 26, 2009 at 09:36 PM"

They didn't get the "REBUILDING JOB," memo that was put out during the 5-7 '07 campaign. That kind of call is supposed to be on hold until '11 at the earliest.

mi@mic@ne

I wouldnt put this loss on the o.. cause we scored enough points to win comfortably .. and even when we got behind we kept responding... but the telling sign was when they were 3 down and Spiller takes one up the gut and turns it to the side lines for 40 yrds.We really didnt get beat by the pass.

pb(CSROH10)

How many excuses can U possibly generate in one day? LAUGHABLE!

Posted by: 86Cane | October 26, 2009 at 09:38 PM


IMO they are realities. There is a big difference.

miamimike01

Put DBerry in NOW!!!!!

moneycane

Not talking about rebuilding or anything but teams lose. It will never be 2001 again ever. Outside of teams in soft conferences not many teams go undefeted.

86Cane

pb...OK, OK, realities.

But then I'll post this again:

If U KNOW that SS #9 lacks in coverage then U BLITZ him and his 4.2 speed off the corner and rotate #44 and #6 over to cover the quick slant and the GO routes.

Now U have the previously sorry azz Clemson QB that we made look All-World with 2 seconds to make up his mind what to do with the ball instead of ALL (friggin') DAY.

No that would never work, sorry I mentioned it, never mind...

Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer

How many excuses can U possibly generate in one day? LAUGHABLE!

Posted by: 86Cane | October 26, 2009 at 09:38 PM

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Like PB said, it is what it is, and it ain't what it ain't.

If you want to second-guess Lovett all day and not acknowledge the reality of what he's working with, something he's done all by himself, that's on you.

But when you see him blitz effectively just one week ago then suddenly he doesn't clearly there's something else happening.

That something else is called, CONFIDENCE AND REALITY.

Now maybe he should've. I personally think he should've blitzed that kid to death and taken a few chances, especially at the end when our DL generated nothing.

BUT what is clear is that he's not confident enough with his personnell to do those types of things every week.

And specifically, since you call it an excuse, you're saying a converted WR who we've all watched blow coverage after coverage, ISN'T a reality for a DC's playcalling??

Ok, Charlie Brown, whatever makes you feel good. lol

moneycane

Man that pick by Jacory in the 4th was terrible. I know he got it right back but Randy Shannon should not have told Jacory to trhow that ball. Randy is the head coach and he should be held accountable.

pb(CSROH10)

I retort with my earlier post:

Just curious, if you blitz and don't get pressure what does that do to your defensive backfield?

I don't think a lot of people realize what you are asking of Vernon, Smith, Porter and your banged up linebacking corp. Didnt we have a converted safety playing in the middle the whole second half?

Isn't one starting DB a true sophomore and the other a senior with one summers worth of experience? Isn't that guys back up a true freshman?

Isn't our starting safety making his seventh career start and the other a banged up overachiever playing with a blown shoulder?

Damn guys see things for what they are.

Give me a healthy Fortson, Ojomo, Mc Carthy, Spence and Moncur and we can talk.

But asking that lineup of newbies to take even more chances? Against Spiller and Ford?

To quote the great BG...Child please!!!

Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer

"What I don't get is all the people who want heads to roll after a loss in OT.

Posted by: moneycane | October 26, 2009 at 09:36 PM"

They didn't get the "REBUILDING JOB," memo that was put out during the 5-7 '07 campaign. That kind of call is supposed to be on hold until '11 at the earliest.

Posted by: orange 'n green in the vein | October 26, 2009 at 09:41 PM

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What's really funny is when people pop up after a mistake-ridden OT loss to bash Shannon who've never been on the blob before.

That's funny. lol

But that's a great point. By 2011, yes, we should be seriously upset, K-II levels, if we PLAY a game that sloppily, whether we lose or not.

Daytoncane

86 they can't be excuses. that Clemson tight end was open over the middle the entire second half. are you certain the blitz wouldn't have been picked up in time for us to get to the QB before he threw it?

just because we could've blitzed doesn't mean it would've worked. a dump pass out of the backfield to Spiller would have killed our blitz.

Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer

Man that pick by Jacory in the 4th was terrible. I know he got it right back but Randy Shannon should not have told Jacory to trhow that ball. Randy is the head coach and he should be held accountable.

Posted by: moneycane | October 26, 2009 at 09:51 PM

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There it is!!! hahaha

miamimike01

"What I don't get is all the people who want heads to roll after a loss in OT.

Posted by: moneycane | October 26, 2009 at 09:36 PM"

They didn't get the "REBUILDING JOB," memo that was put out during the 5-7 '07 campaign. That kind of call is supposed to be on hold until '11 at the earliest.

Posted by: orange 'n green in the vein | October 26, 2009 at 09:41 PM

EXACTLY! OGV, preach on, brotha.

We, as fans, got a little ahead of ourselves. The past convicted the future: the present.

The media helped.

Oh, the U is back.

Not quite yet.

Two more classes...

... Katy bar the door, a Cat 5 is coming through...

moneycane

On the long run that Baby J had did anyone else notice Randy Shannon had some words for him when he rann out of bounds. As a fifth year senior at RB you gotta finish hard.

Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer

If U KNOW that SS #9 lacks in coverage then U BLITZ him and his 4.2 speed off the corner and rotate #44 and #6 over to cover the quick slant and the GO routes.

Now U have the previously sorry azz Clemson QB that we made look All-World with 2 seconds to make up his mind what to do with the ball instead of ALL (friggin') DAY.

No that would never work, sorry I mentioned it, never mind...

Posted by: 86Cane | October 26, 2009 at 09:48 PM

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Soup, I totally agree with you in theory but we'd really have to analyze personnel and such to understand why Lovett HASN'T blitzed SS. He's blitzed Spence, BH, Jared and who else??

No SS. Hmmmmmm

mr troutman

Put DBerry in NOW!!!!!

Posted by: miamimike01 | October 26, 2009 at 09:43


I agree Mike.....That guy balls out of control. Whipple should of put him in the 4th to pound the rock. Next game we will see him more though.

moneycane

I agree Daytona, the TE killed us all game. If it wasn't the TE it was a screen pass. If the first two didn't get us it was the D f'n up on third and long.

Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer

Also, while we're bashing Lovett, how many points did his vanilla D actually yield.

Spiller got loose on 1 play, right? Ford got loose on another. So 14 legitimate pts.

Spiller had a return.
J-12 threw a pic-6.
3 other TOs.

Hmmm. That totals about 21 given away.

Now, my problem is our inability to get off the field in 3rd down. How many times did we stop them on 1st and 2nd only to give up 3rd??

Charlie Brown

Ok, Charlie Brown, whatever makes you feel good. lol

Posted by: Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer | October 26, 2009 at 09:50 PM

I could tell U what makes me feel good, but that has nothing to do with UM football and is not blog material.

Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer

On the long run that Baby J had did anyone else notice Randy Shannon had some words for him when he rann out of bounds. As a fifth year senior at RB you gotta finish hard.

Posted by: moneycane | October 26, 2009 at 09:55 PM

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And as a senior who's trying to go to the next level, that'll cost you money.

Charlie Brown

that Clemson tight end was open over the middle the entire second half. are you certain the blitz wouldn't have been picked up in time for us to get to the QB before he threw it?

just because we could've blitzed doesn't mean it would've worked. a dump pass out of the backfield to Spiller would have killed our blitz.

Posted by: Daytoncane | October 26, 2009 at 09:53 PM

So what we did WASN'T working but we should NOT have tried anything else? Keep it vanilla?

OK, yeah I agree with that. NOT!

solarcane

“John brings a wealth of experience and success, as well as a comprehensive knowledge of the ACC,” head coach Randy Shannon said in a statement. “He has consistently elevated the play of defenses at every school he has coached.”

UNC while Lovett was there total defense #35
UNC no Lovett this year total defense #7

Miami current total defense #35

jus sayin

peace

mi@mic@ne

I think our o in many ways is as successful as 2001 and arguably ... in different areas.. is equal to that team.... but we havent had the kinds of defenses that we are used to seeing in the past. We have some taller d backs coming into this new class.. and i can for see with the juniors ... its mainly the d that needs to pick it up.

mr troutman

FIRE RANDY FIRE RANDY NOW HE KEEP COSTING US GAMES...LOL... THAT SOUNDS PATHETIC AND RIDICULOUS RIGHT!!!!!! ONLY IMPATIENT IDIOTS RUN OFF EMOTIONS NOT WHAT'S REALISTIC!!!!

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