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October 26, 2009

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moneycane

JJ running out of bounds in OT at the five WAS UNACCEPTABLE.

Posted by: Charlie Brown | October 26, 2009 at 10:32 PM

Agree 100%

Charlie Brown

Thats right Charlie, the U turned a 38% completion qtb. into a 70% completion qtback in one game, great work.

Posted by: dlu | October 26, 2009 at 10:33 PM

That right there sucks swamp donkey!

Even Dave Wannstedt, Butch Davis and Greg Schiano combined couldn't do that...LOL

Calvin

dlu, shannon knows better than that, Canez1, i meant to say, shannon did bring the heat, but remember, shannon only brought the heat mainly when teams got in the redzone or across our 50 yard line, which always surprised me, i'm thinking, why we waiting until now to be aggressive.

When we were up by 3, and jacory was winding up to go deep, he got sacked(the 1st play where franklin was moved out to left tackle(congratulations esteban it finally happened, lol and your boy desean jackson is doing his thing, i was wrong on that one, did he get hurt dancing though :)kevin steele came wit ha blitz at the right time, that killed our momentum, other wise clemson would have been down 10. The whole game you're thinking, if we can just get up by 10 points we'll be straight.

Anyway, we're heading in the right direction, and will continue to, shannon will learn quick or he needs to, and i'm sure he knows this, but the aggressor often times, he's the winner.

solarcane

money I didn't make the stats up.
they are what they are.

It wasn't a shot Lovett, Lovett was DC of the number 10 BCS team in the country.

If he can cruise through at #35 and gives half his salary to Whipple for covering for him, then it's cool with me.

peace

Cat 5 Cane

Charlie...

Shiit happens all the time in my world... Wished it were different but after a while you learn to duck and roll...LOL

BTW... I tried calling you several times... wed, thur, fri and Sat... but I guess, you must of had me on that shiit list that you spoke of... !

As I said, Shiit Happens... Ya got any smiley faces?

JCane

Also, we know what JJ and Coop can do and can do well already. Berry appears to have more upside for many parts of the offense already, so use him. He's a bruiser.

JCane

I agree with you bigtime, 86. The d lacks depth and has a lot of young guys playing. Okay. How do you try to make up for this? Do you simply run almost the same schemes every play or do you mix it up a little? The schemes can stay more basic often when you know you just have the horses than can keep up even if the other team isn't fooled by anything. We aren't at that point.

This team really isn't quite ready for the top 10, but still found a way to have its chance. The coaching was a letdown. As for my complaints of running 3 straight at the end of regulation being compared to late in the first half when we scored by running, the 3rd down and 3 toward the end of regulation had the whole dang Clemson D in the box in an almost goal-line D with lots of football field to play on behind them. It could have worked, but the odds were far better to not simply run it dead on in that setup.

The areas that often take more time to develop are the OL and many of the D positions. Look where we're still growing up and needing depth...all of these positions. The skill positions are on O are still learning but are further ahead. Truly, to have fully reloaded we need to look for 2011, although 2010 should be quite the team. I do want to see further improvement by the coaching staff in using its talents accordingly, even though they have done a lot of good things in most of their games this season. A really good team doesn't have leeway for offdays by the coaching staff either though....a great team often does, but we're just not there yet.

Now, on to Wake Forest. This is a statement game, so how about the team makes one! WFU has just come off a loss to Navy and a huge loss the game before to Clemson.

dlu

Thats right Charlie, the U turned a 38% completion qtb. into a 70% completion qtback in one game, great work.

Daytoncane

on another note im going to try and change the subject so we can all exhale.

i would really like to see what Ben Jones and Washington look like on that left side. after this year it might be better if Orlando goes to RT (i am of assuming that he stays). Gunn goes to center and Figs starts at RG.

i didn't get a chance to see the FAMU game but i heard that Jones got in.

Charlie Brown

"As a fifth year senior at RB you gotta finish hard."

JJ running out of bounds in OT at the five WAS UNACCEPTABLE.

dlu

Calvin now your talking bring it on D.

Calvin

solarcane | October 26, 2009 at 10:25 PM

Cut that out solar, ROFL!

Calvin

86, i forgot all about that, if you didn't post nothing else, that day when we were discussing the world coming to an end and you said that about as long as we win 2 championships by than you'd be fine with that, i was ROFL. Especially if the world came to an end and we won the last national championship before it did, we'd have eternal bragging rights in the HERE AFTER!

That's right next to a partna of mine who was worried and than pissed off at his son before a basketball game, he coaches his son's team and his son is the point guard of course, so before the game, they come screaming to him that his son passed out, he runs over their in a hurry to aid his son, and once his son finally came too, they asked what happened, his son is 9, how he passed out though, his son and his team-mates were playing that "who can hold their breath the longest" game, rofl, he was pissed when he was tellig me the story, but i told em, in a question/statement form, so i guess your son must of won huh, that boy is competitive, tell em to ease up.

cat5, come on man, when we ran the ball before the half, that was ok because the game wasn't on the line at that point, but when the game is on the line, here's the real deal, had we been up by only 1 point again, we would have been a whole lot more aggressive on that 3rd down, but since we were up by 3 points, shannon felt the worst that could happen was clemson would tie the game up and we go to overtime, well he was right.

I'm glad shannon is our headcoach, but he'll hear it from his peers about that conservative play calling at the end, shannon can be stubborn about it if he wants to, but he knows better than anybody else, running the ball 3 straight times when a game is not sowed up, "YOU NOT THE MIAMI WAY"!

Charlie Brown

Cav and TROUT...here is "The Truth":

We were ranked #10 had enough "talent" to beat FSU, GT and OU and then lost to unranked Clemson at home in a key ACC match-up with the conference title still in our grasp.

We spit the bit and came up lame down the stretch. That sucks raw eggs.

Go ahead and make excuses, sugar coat it in candy apple red, cover it with whipped creme or whatever U wanna do, but I was there and it SUCKS.

Any questions?

solarcane

CaptO
I'm glad the kool aid has once and for all been eliminated from your body.

CaptO at the
Beginning of every year Randy has been HC:

"Solar explain me how we will not carve through the ACC like a warm knife through butter."

solar
"Its gonna take at least three years Cav, four years from the beginning we will be where you think we are every fall"


CaptO
" Randy is just being a metodical genius and could win the ACC and the Super Bowl the frst year if he realy wanted to."

solar
"ok"

peace

moneycane

I agree Cav, the WF game can't come soon enough. The team will come out either one of two ways.

1. They come out feeling sorry for themselves and they struggle with Wake

2. They come out fired up and lay a 2005 esq beatdown on the Deacons.

After all they will be playing in front of a larger crowd for this game

Charlie Brown

ONLY IMPATIENT IDIOTS RUN OFF EMOTIONS NOT WHAT'S REALISTIC!!!!

Posted by: mr troutman | October 26, 2009 at 10:06 PM

Trout...quit YELLING and listen for a change:

1. NOBODY is asking for anybody to be fired.

2. We ARE questioning strategy.

3. If U don't like open, honest discussion, then U should stay of blogs.

Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer

I could tell U what makes me feel good, but that has nothing to do with UM football and is not blog material.

Posted by: Charlie Brown | October 26, 2009 at 10:01 PM

>>>>

LOL. Comedy.

Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer

Soup, this dead horse beating is old. You should let Esteban Break Down Wake to get the topic moving forward.

Solar, come on, those stats are ridiculous, mainly because Lovett wasn't the DC. He coached DBs and STs. lol

Besides, our D is about the 35th best after these first six games. If we'd had two more cupcakes like everyone else we'd look a lot better.

But we'll improve, just not as quickly as everyone wants, myself included. hahaha

Charlie Brown

SOMETIMES... SHIIT HAPPENS!

Posted by: Cat5Cane | October 26, 2009 at 10:08 PM

Yeah, but don't let it happen to U!

Calvin

Our third down defense to opposing offenses is like our 1st down passing game to opposing defenses, GRAVY!

I know this much, it's a good thing whipple is here and we're scoring points again, because things could have been a whole lot worse. In life alot of times, human beings can be ungrateful, so let's take a look at what could have been, let's imagine for a moment, bill young left, which he has and lovett becomes the d-coordinator presently, but for some reason shannon would have kept nix, now just imagine, we would have had a defense that was suspect and an offense that we would never be able to rely on, jacory would have made plays or been audibling alot, and than shannon would have had to deal with does he go with the audibler, or the play-caller or address the insubordination!

With whipple here and us putting up points, it's covering up alot of weaknesses right now with this team, even if we won saturday, it would have just felt better but the same weakness would still be their.

The biggest problem with our defensive calls right now, we're picking an choosing who to be aggressive with. We should have no respect of qb, and we blitzed 1 or 2, we should blitz them all, no free rides, one of the only qb's you don't blitz is kurt warner, his completion percentage against the blitz is off the charts.

solarcane

"As a fifth year senior at RB you gotta finish hard."

jj tryin to make it it into the NFL without surgey.
He needs to go all out and fug being afraid
peace

moneycane

Solar UNC has a good defense but I don't think that shot at Lovett is fair. UNC has had two cupcakes on their schedule. Compare the numbers againt two teams that we both played and the stats look a little different.

dlu

So Cav. the U kept getting burned on 3rd and long over and over and over but no pressure on the qtback, guess that would not have helped?

Cat 5 Cane

JUST FINISHED WATCHING THE LAST 5 MINUTES OF THE 1ST HALF... AND HOW COME NOBODY IS COMPLAING ABOUT THE ALL RUN PLAYS IN A ROW, THAT PRODUCED A TD. MAKING THE SCORE 10/7 WITH 50 SOME-ODD SECONDS REMAINING...

CLEMSON THEN RESPONDS WITH THE PERFECT RETURN FOR A TD...

UNDER NORMAL CIRCUMSTANCES... THEY'RE STOPPED ON THE 25 AND CLEMSON WOULD STALL AROUND THE 50, WITH NO TIMEOUTS...

AND MIAMI LEADING 10/7 AND BEATING OUR CHESTS GOING INTO THE HALF.

SOMETIMES... SHIIT HAPPENS!

pb(CSROH10)

jus sayin

peace

Posted by: solarcane | October 26, 2009 at 10:05 PM

Maybe we move to #7 next year?

mr troutman

FIRE RANDY FIRE RANDY NOW HE KEEP COSTING US GAMES...LOL... THAT SOUNDS PATHETIC AND RIDICULOUS RIGHT!!!!!! ONLY IMPATIENT IDIOTS RUN OFF EMOTIONS NOT WHAT'S REALISTIC!!!!

mi@mic@ne

I think our o in many ways is as successful as 2001 and arguably ... in different areas.. is equal to that team.... but we havent had the kinds of defenses that we are used to seeing in the past. We have some taller d backs coming into this new class.. and i can for see with the juniors ... its mainly the d that needs to pick it up.

solarcane

“John brings a wealth of experience and success, as well as a comprehensive knowledge of the ACC,” head coach Randy Shannon said in a statement. “He has consistently elevated the play of defenses at every school he has coached.”

UNC while Lovett was there total defense #35
UNC no Lovett this year total defense #7

Miami current total defense #35

jus sayin

peace

Charlie Brown

that Clemson tight end was open over the middle the entire second half. are you certain the blitz wouldn't have been picked up in time for us to get to the QB before he threw it?

just because we could've blitzed doesn't mean it would've worked. a dump pass out of the backfield to Spiller would have killed our blitz.

Posted by: Daytoncane | October 26, 2009 at 09:53 PM

So what we did WASN'T working but we should NOT have tried anything else? Keep it vanilla?

OK, yeah I agree with that. NOT!

Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer

On the long run that Baby J had did anyone else notice Randy Shannon had some words for him when he rann out of bounds. As a fifth year senior at RB you gotta finish hard.

Posted by: moneycane | October 26, 2009 at 09:55 PM

>>>>>

And as a senior who's trying to go to the next level, that'll cost you money.

Charlie Brown

Ok, Charlie Brown, whatever makes you feel good. lol

Posted by: Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer | October 26, 2009 at 09:50 PM

I could tell U what makes me feel good, but that has nothing to do with UM football and is not blog material.

Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer

Also, while we're bashing Lovett, how many points did his vanilla D actually yield.

Spiller got loose on 1 play, right? Ford got loose on another. So 14 legitimate pts.

Spiller had a return.
J-12 threw a pic-6.
3 other TOs.

Hmmm. That totals about 21 given away.

Now, my problem is our inability to get off the field in 3rd down. How many times did we stop them on 1st and 2nd only to give up 3rd??

moneycane

I agree Daytona, the TE killed us all game. If it wasn't the TE it was a screen pass. If the first two didn't get us it was the D f'n up on third and long.

mr troutman

Put DBerry in NOW!!!!!

Posted by: miamimike01 | October 26, 2009 at 09:43


I agree Mike.....That guy balls out of control. Whipple should of put him in the 4th to pound the rock. Next game we will see him more though.

Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer

If U KNOW that SS #9 lacks in coverage then U BLITZ him and his 4.2 speed off the corner and rotate #44 and #6 over to cover the quick slant and the GO routes.

Now U have the previously sorry azz Clemson QB that we made look All-World with 2 seconds to make up his mind what to do with the ball instead of ALL (friggin') DAY.

No that would never work, sorry I mentioned it, never mind...

Posted by: 86Cane | October 26, 2009 at 09:48 PM

>>>>

Soup, I totally agree with you in theory but we'd really have to analyze personnel and such to understand why Lovett HASN'T blitzed SS. He's blitzed Spence, BH, Jared and who else??

No SS. Hmmmmmm

moneycane

On the long run that Baby J had did anyone else notice Randy Shannon had some words for him when he rann out of bounds. As a fifth year senior at RB you gotta finish hard.

miamimike01

"What I don't get is all the people who want heads to roll after a loss in OT.

Posted by: moneycane | October 26, 2009 at 09:36 PM"

They didn't get the "REBUILDING JOB," memo that was put out during the 5-7 '07 campaign. That kind of call is supposed to be on hold until '11 at the earliest.

Posted by: orange 'n green in the vein | October 26, 2009 at 09:41 PM

EXACTLY! OGV, preach on, brotha.

We, as fans, got a little ahead of ourselves. The past convicted the future: the present.

The media helped.

Oh, the U is back.

Not quite yet.

Two more classes...

... Katy bar the door, a Cat 5 is coming through...

Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer

Man that pick by Jacory in the 4th was terrible. I know he got it right back but Randy Shannon should not have told Jacory to trhow that ball. Randy is the head coach and he should be held accountable.

Posted by: moneycane | October 26, 2009 at 09:51 PM

>>>>>

There it is!!! hahaha

Daytoncane

86 they can't be excuses. that Clemson tight end was open over the middle the entire second half. are you certain the blitz wouldn't have been picked up in time for us to get to the QB before he threw it?

just because we could've blitzed doesn't mean it would've worked. a dump pass out of the backfield to Spiller would have killed our blitz.

Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer

"What I don't get is all the people who want heads to roll after a loss in OT.

Posted by: moneycane | October 26, 2009 at 09:36 PM"

They didn't get the "REBUILDING JOB," memo that was put out during the 5-7 '07 campaign. That kind of call is supposed to be on hold until '11 at the earliest.

Posted by: orange 'n green in the vein | October 26, 2009 at 09:41 PM

>>>>

What's really funny is when people pop up after a mistake-ridden OT loss to bash Shannon who've never been on the blob before.

That's funny. lol

But that's a great point. By 2011, yes, we should be seriously upset, K-II levels, if we PLAY a game that sloppily, whether we lose or not.

pb(CSROH10)

I retort with my earlier post:

Just curious, if you blitz and don't get pressure what does that do to your defensive backfield?

I don't think a lot of people realize what you are asking of Vernon, Smith, Porter and your banged up linebacking corp. Didnt we have a converted safety playing in the middle the whole second half?

Isn't one starting DB a true sophomore and the other a senior with one summers worth of experience? Isn't that guys back up a true freshman?

Isn't our starting safety making his seventh career start and the other a banged up overachiever playing with a blown shoulder?

Damn guys see things for what they are.

Give me a healthy Fortson, Ojomo, Mc Carthy, Spence and Moncur and we can talk.

But asking that lineup of newbies to take even more chances? Against Spiller and Ford?

To quote the great BG...Child please!!!

moneycane

Man that pick by Jacory in the 4th was terrible. I know he got it right back but Randy Shannon should not have told Jacory to trhow that ball. Randy is the head coach and he should be held accountable.

Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer

How many excuses can U possibly generate in one day? LAUGHABLE!

Posted by: 86Cane | October 26, 2009 at 09:38 PM

>>>>>

Like PB said, it is what it is, and it ain't what it ain't.

If you want to second-guess Lovett all day and not acknowledge the reality of what he's working with, something he's done all by himself, that's on you.

But when you see him blitz effectively just one week ago then suddenly he doesn't clearly there's something else happening.

That something else is called, CONFIDENCE AND REALITY.

Now maybe he should've. I personally think he should've blitzed that kid to death and taken a few chances, especially at the end when our DL generated nothing.

BUT what is clear is that he's not confident enough with his personnell to do those types of things every week.

And specifically, since you call it an excuse, you're saying a converted WR who we've all watched blow coverage after coverage, ISN'T a reality for a DC's playcalling??

Ok, Charlie Brown, whatever makes you feel good. lol

86Cane

pb...OK, OK, realities.

But then I'll post this again:

If U KNOW that SS #9 lacks in coverage then U BLITZ him and his 4.2 speed off the corner and rotate #44 and #6 over to cover the quick slant and the GO routes.

Now U have the previously sorry azz Clemson QB that we made look All-World with 2 seconds to make up his mind what to do with the ball instead of ALL (friggin') DAY.

No that would never work, sorry I mentioned it, never mind...

moneycane

Not talking about rebuilding or anything but teams lose. It will never be 2001 again ever. Outside of teams in soft conferences not many teams go undefeted.

miamimike01

Put DBerry in NOW!!!!!

pb(CSROH10)

How many excuses can U possibly generate in one day? LAUGHABLE!

Posted by: 86Cane | October 26, 2009 at 09:38 PM


IMO they are realities. There is a big difference.

mi@mic@ne

I wouldnt put this loss on the o.. cause we scored enough points to win comfortably .. and even when we got behind we kept responding... but the telling sign was when they were 3 down and Spiller takes one up the gut and turns it to the side lines for 40 yrds.We really didnt get beat by the pass.

orange 'n green in the vein

"What I don't get is all the people who want heads to roll after a loss in OT.

Posted by: moneycane | October 26, 2009 at 09:36 PM"

They didn't get the "REBUILDING JOB," memo that was put out during the 5-7 '07 campaign. That kind of call is supposed to be on hold until '11 at the earliest.

dlu

well I am out befor I go further over-board, good luck Canes>>>

86Cane

DLU, again, how many converted WRs does GT have in their DB unit?? Ditto Cinci? How many true freshmen outplaying seniors?

Posted by: Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer | October 26, 2009 at 09:27 PM

How many excuses can U possibly generate in one day? LAUGHABLE!

moneycane

The problem with the D was 3rd down. I don't know how many times Clemson got a first down on 3 & & 7+. Even the TD in ot was on 3rd and 11. Maybe we could have blitz more on third down but everything looks good in hindsight. I have no problems with the calls on O in OT, because at the start of OT we gashed them for 20 yrds. The loss hurts and it's the nature of the beast to second guess things after a tough loss. What I don't get is all the people who want heads to roll after a loss in OT.

86Cane

Well its not working the defense, it is not working, go down like cry babies afraid to attack, or go down like a man, trying to kick azz.

Posted by: dlu | October 26, 2009 at 09:25 PM

I agree 100%.

mi@mic@ne

I mean my argument is that we absolutely need to have the rotation of good talent. Then the coaches will look like geniuses. exam. Clappy.

dlu

Pb, in all honestly I think Cinn. would tear the U up especially on offense. Clemson's offense is punk compared to Cinn. saw two games Cinn played, Rutgers and S. Fla. they Cinn have one heck of a head coach.

Now if the U played Cinn, bringing the house 50% of the time or more than I take the U. I say the U should have beat fsu by 3 touchdowns and Clemson by 2 touchdowns but whem you played scared defense it reeks throught he whole defensive unit. sickens the defensive players.

mi@mic@ne

Its important that we win the rest of our games... but its more important to have some very good ballers coming into this class. If we could win with Clappy at the helm ... we know its a matter of time cause the Boss will get them prepared and we can play base d.

Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer

If you are getting beat a lot long and average qtbacks are tearing it up having career games against your defense, then it does not take a genius to figure out a whole lot of defensive changes need to be made.

In a 3 wk span ga tech revamped their defense twice, so I read, yet the U cannot make major changes because guys are not ready like Shields, not buying that.

Whipple comes in and bam, offense is greatly improved, so no excuses accepted on defense.

Posted by: dlu | October 26, 2009 at 08:41 PM

>>>>

DLU, again, how many converted WRs does GT have in their DB unit?? Ditto Cinci? How many true freshmen outplaying seniors?

I'm not really disgreeing with you, I'm just comparing one game where he blitzed very well to this past game where he didn't at all.

Our D started out as a reasonable strength then we saw some weaknesses and some strengths. I thought we were gelling against UCF, and even in the 1st half against Clemson. But I think the TOs and other missed opportunities turned this into a game that favored Clemson and put our defense at its weakest point.

I know what you're saying, and I know Lovett is probably thinking the same thing. Heck, if he isn't he should be especially given how well it worked last week. Then again there was no Spiller or Ford last week for Shields to try to cover.

pb(CSROH10)

U of Cinn. lost 9 starters on their defense last yr, but come out this yr. and shut teams down , but the U does not have their talent, no buying that.

Posted by: dlu | October 26, 2009 at 08:45 PM


Rutgers
Southeast Missouri State
Oregon State
Fresno State
Miami (OH)
South Florida
Louisville

It is very impressive what they've done against this brutal schedule.

dlu

Well its not working the defense, it is not working, go down like cry babies afraid to attack, or go down like a man, trying to kick azz.

mi@mic@ne

Two very simple words of wisdom for coaching staff...

1.You kill the head and the body will follow.

2. When the game is on the line you put the ball in your best players hands.

If we were as healthy as we were at the beginning of the yr we would have beat Clemson by two touches. That aint the same team that played against GT or Okie and Fswho

86Cane

Now when you start factoring in depth and lack thereof is when it gets tricky, but vanilla isn't necessarily bad when you've got the athletes to use it as your trump suit.

Posted by: orange 'n green in the vein | October 26, 2009 at 08:45 PM

Vanilla? VANILLA??? Now U want to talk about friggin' vanilla?

Forget vanilla. I want some damn CHOCOLATE and I want it now!

That or tequilla, or maybe BOTH. Do they make chocolate tequilla?

Daytoncane

again dlu, im not trying to bash you but you're implying that Lovett trusts the secondary to cover with a single safety or zero coverage. maybe Foster trusts his guys more. Venables should trust his guys more seeing as he has one of the best d-lines in the country.

a guy like John Tenuta or Foster is great until his defense is burnt by an offense that can pick up the blitz.

like i said the coaching staff isn't without blame, but it's ultimately up to the players to execute. how about placing some of the blame on McGriff? our corners have looked average at best since he's been here(outside of Harris). it really shows you how good of a secondary coach Tim Walton was.

pb(CSROH10)

Just curious, if you blitz and don't get pressure what does that do to your defensive backfield?

I don't think a lot of people realize what you are asking of Vernon, Smith, Porter and your banged up linebacking corp. Didnt we have a converted safety playing in the middle the whole second half?

Isn't one starting DB a true sophomore and the other a senior with one summers worth of experience? Isn't that guys back up a true freshman?

Isn't our starting safety making his seventh career start and the other a banged up overachiever playing with a blown shoulder?

Damn guys see things for what they are.

Give me a healthy Fortson, Ojomo, Mc Carthy, Spence and Moncur and we can talk.

But asking that lineup of newbies to take even more chances? Against Spiller and Ford?

To quote the great BG...Child please!!!


86Cane

U of Cinn. lost 9 starters on their defense last yr, but come out this yr. and shut teams down , but the U does not have their talent, no buying that.

Posted by: dlu | October 26, 2009 at 08:45 PM

Hmmmmmmmm...

dlu

Cav, I do not care two wits about Lovett and his confidence, I care about Cane football. Right now Whipple is number 1 on my list of coaches way in front of everyone else, Why because he brought life to the offense, if Whipple would have failed badly I would not care a thing about him. Results, not excuses is all that matters when you play the game. Is like war, you know that well Cav.

JSQ

Okay, it's over. Again. Time to get over it, time get pumped up for Wake, and time to watch Portis and Moss tonight! GO 'CANES!!!

Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer

You just summed up the thought that is keeping me going. In total agreement.

Posted by: JSQ | October 26, 2009 at 08:30 PM

>>>>>

Like K-II said,

"NAH MAN, I'M PIZZED!!!"

This after losing his 2nd game as a college football player. You'd think he'd take it in stride right??

NOT WHEN YOU HATE IT.

We'll see how loosey goofy Jacory is now. He should be more pizzed than anyone, even though he made some great plays to atone for his mistakes, his mistakes ultimately cost us the game.

They HAVE to be pizzed. But I'll tell you, this is exactly how young lions learn to kill...BY LOSING.

We've lost two games this year because we didn't come to BALL from the first to the last, as a TEAM.

We've won 3 great games where we came to ball from the first to the last, AS A TEAM.

So now, maybe, just maybe the message will sink in, into their minds and hearts and muscles.

You can never relax. You can never relent. That's what the off-season is for.

Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer

DLU, you can't compare our D and DC to VT's at this point, you really can't.

Lovett was confident against UCF so he blitzed and blitzed well. CLEARLY, as MM01 said, he wasn't confident against Clemson for obvious reasons. However, sometimes you have to get to the QB before he gets to you.

phillyscott

We only allowed 20pts on D during regulation. Spiller was shut down in the run game. He caught 1 long pass. Why would you start blitzing like crazy with those numbers? If the O completes some drives, doesnt Turn IT OVER 4 TIMES and the ST's make a tackle, the pass rush wouldnt even be an issue.

Posted by: jimmy

look at the Clemson QB's passing stats, watch the game again, and see how he had time to pitch a tent, cook a hot dog, then find a receiver....you cant give ANYONE that kind of time, and expect DBs to cover for that long....we have made several average QBs look like superstars.....I am not concerned with "historically" we are not a blitzing team...here and now we HAVE to be a blitzing team, especially with a pretty damn good QB coming up this week..

I am proud of this team's efforts, we had 4 turnovers, gave up a kick return for TD, and they never quit....Jacory's TD after giving up the pick 6 to me was play of the year, and why I wouldnt trade him for anyone, but that play alone should have had us still throwing, instead of the 2 occurrances of run 3 and punt/FG

orange 'n green in the vein

"What did va.tech's defense do to JH all kinds of dif. blitzes, pretty good DC at va.tech.
What about okla pretty good dc at OU brings the heat all the time.

I think the U has plenty of defensive talent example: when they had time and game planned for ga tech the U shut ga tech down, you do not do that without talent , but talent must be directed to take away the offensive strength to be effective.

Posted by: dlu | October 26, 2009 at 08:35 PM"

Bud Foster, never won anything that really meant anything at VT. But hey, he blitzes and they play special teams, let's be like them. OU, Brent Venerables? We beat them. They are notorious for losing the big games now by the way. And they've blitzed their way to losses versus such powers as TCU at home during his tenure. But hey, Bob Stoops has a cool nickname that almost rhymes, so let's be like them too.

I've said this before, but it bears repeating. If my 11 guys are more athletic than your 11 guys across the LOS from them, I'm playing straight up vanilla defense and letting my more athletic players outplay your less athletic players in 11 one-on-one battles. Now when you start factoring in depth and lack thereof is when it gets tricky, but vanilla isn't necessarily bad when you've got the athletes to use it as your trump suit. We just don't have enough athletes to rely on it week-in-week-out yet. But give the coaching staff two more years to recruit and it'll be just fine.

Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer

again, i don't understand why everybody is suicidal about 2 losses. which is worse: a young Miami team upset by Clemson or a veteran LSU team losing their second game to Arkansas in 2007? let's put this in perspective.

Posted by: Daytoncane | October 26, 2009 at 08:15 PM

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Dayton, very good point. Funny how everyone forgets about that. I just want to see these kids come out angry, like true Hurricanes, like Shannon did, when they wouldn't talk to their girlfriends the week after a loss.

We'll see.

dlu

U of Cinn. lost 9 starters on their defense last yr, but come out this yr. and shut teams down , but the U does not have their talent, no buying that.

phillyscott

Not really looking back at Clemson, it's over, and we are beating the horse dead, BUT, Had we blitzed that kid, he would have crapped himself, instead of having a day he only dreamed of.....They were not even holding a back in to help block, because except for maybe 4 plays, they had no reason to, their 5 were handling our 4....make that 5 on 5, or 5 on 6, this kid doesnt have all day to find an open guy, and has to make split second decisions, which I dont see him having the talent to do...
Wish truth would come back around, and tell every one, chill the f#$k out, aint no big deal between whipple and shannon, just one of those things
The real test is does the team fold like a tent as in past 2-3 years, or do they come out and beat the hell out of Wake

dlu

If you are getting beat a lot long and average qtbacks are tearing it up having career games against your defense, then it does not take a genius to figure out a whole lot of defensive changes need to be made.

In a 3 wk span ga tech revamped their defense twice, so I read, yet the U cannot make major changes because guys are not ready like Shields, not buying that.

Whipple comes in and bam, offense is greatly improved, so no excuses accepted on defense.

miamimike01

#1 Harris, excluded. He's playing well.

miamimike01

86, I agree about the 1986 post.

I wasn't in-love with the D playcalling.

I think its soft, but OBVIOUSLY the coaches aren't confident in the secondary to blitz more often.

If they were, they would.

dlu

daytoncane, No I would not be saying the opposite if the U got burned blitzing at all, not true. some other ex.'s
What did va.tech's defense do to JH all kinds of dif. blitzes, pretty good DC at va.tech.
What about okla pretty good dc at OU brings the heat all the time.

I think the U has plenty of defensive talent example: when they had time and game planned for ga tech the U shut ga tech down, you do not do that without talent , but talent must be directed to take away the offensive strength to be effective.

JSQ

JSQ, true but if these kids are the young champions we think they are, they'll turn the heart-ache into anger and fuel because of how close they were. Hopefully that's what the coaches and former players are telling them. That's how I would feel. PIZZED to the highest levels of PIZZTIVITY!

Posted by: Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer | October 26, 2009 at 08:28 PM

You just summed up the thought that is keeping me going. In total agreement.

orange 'n green in the vein

PIZZTIVITY! I'm writing that one into the dictionary because it really should be there. Ben Franklin and Co. would have approved if they had such insight into human nature available to them in the 1700's.

orange 'n green in the vein

The DL depth has been ravaged by injuries. The front four isn't getting consistent pressure unless Bailey tears through the double team he's getting hit with, and yet somehow, Lovett isn't making the right calls because he won't blitz Sam Shields from the edge? Look, I'm glad #9 has found a way to contribute consistently on something other than special teams, but I'm not so sold on his ability to zero in on a QB at top speed in 2 seconds or less just yet. Right now, I'm more than happy to let him do his inline deep coverage thing on the other team's best deep threat. Just run fast Sam and make it look like the guy isn't open. Let Brandon Harris do the QB harassment from the corner spot. Besides, this game was lost by the turnovers on offense. Even with the fumble return for a TD, even with Uribe disobeying orders to squib the kick, the D didn't lose this game, they just couldn't pull the O's azz out of the fire they continued to put themselves in on Saturday. Plus, Clemson got away with a lot of holding, especially of Vernon, kid gets held almost every play because his first step gets him into the backfield before the tackle can flinch most snaps.

Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer

JSQ, true but if these kids are the young champions we think they are, they'll turn the heart-ache into anger and fuel because of how close they were. Hopefully that's what the coaches and former players are telling them. That's how I would feel. PIZZED to the highest levels of PIZZTIVITY!

JSQ

#40 from Clemson flashes the U to my friends in the field club seats. What a tool.

JSQ

From watching this horror movie/game again, all I can say is it is amazing we were still in a position to win this game after all the mistakes that were made. It was just a perfect storm for Clemson.

Posted by: JSQ | October 26, 2009 at 07:59 PM

>>>>>

Honestly, I'd rather lose a game because of mental mistakes than just getting flat out beat because mistakes can be corrected next week, from coaches and players. Being flat out beat takes years to change, just look at the difference between OU 2007 and 2009.

Posted by: Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer | October 26, 2009 at 08:17 PM

I agree as far as looking forward in the season and having hope for what we can do any given Saturday, but I think losing like this makes it more heartbreaking. I don't think we can say here that the more talented/better team won. I think a L like that is easier to accept. When you have something in your grasp and you throw it away, it is more tragic.

JMO.

Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer

From watching this horror movie/game again, all I can say is it is amazing we were still in a position to win this game after all the mistakes that were made. It was just a perfect storm for Clemson.

Posted by: JSQ | October 26, 2009 at 07:59 PM

>>>>>

Honestly, I'd rather lose a game because of mental mistakes than just getting flat out beat because mistakes can be corrected next week, from coaches and players. Being flat out beat takes years to change, just look at the difference between OU 2007 and 2009.

86Cane

So, 86, how did the Tampa 2 work for Kiffin and Bucs, just a short few years ago?

C'mon, man. Willie's and Joe's... RS isn't done...

Posted by: miamimike01 | October 26, 2009 at 08:06 PM

BS ALERT, BS ALERT!!!

As a coach U gotta play with what U got and scheme it that way.

If U think for one minute that UM is going back to 1986 defense and winning a National Championship it ain't gonna heppen.

Daytoncane

there's really no reason for anyone else to respond to that guy. he most likely won't be back so there's no need to beat a dead horse.

dlu i think you're missing the point. how do you know that blitzing would've solved anything? what if we blitzed and got burned by it repeatedly? then you'd be saying the opposite.

saying that we didn't have a gameplan to attack the defense is basically saying that we're either incompetent (which we aren't) or the coaching staff doesn't even try to look at game film or practice. we had a gameplan, we just didn't execute.

i would bet that there some things that the staff thought they could've done better, but that can be said about every coaching staff in every single sport. im not saying they are without fault (because they aren't), im simply saying that it's up to the players to execute the plays. and Lovett runs the defense, not Randy so i don't know how he can directly be at fault for that.

again, i don't understand why everybody is suicidal about 2 losses. which is worse: a young Miami team upset by Clemson or a veteran LSU team losing their second game to Arkansas in 2007? let's put this in perspective.

Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer

Bahama, Lovett will be fine. He's definitely NOT Nix. He's just playing it safe because he's not totally confident and secure with our personnel. We have some definite holes, especially after all the injuries.

But I think he'll mix things up more against our upcoming opponents.

miamimike01

Lovett is the Patrick Nix of defense!

Posted by: BahamaCane | October 26, 2009 at 08:00 PM

What? After seven games, let's fire Lovett.

Held GT to 95 YDS rushing; where's that talk then? The U is THE ONLY D to STOP the Flexbone. Nobody else has come close. NOBODY.

www.firelovett.com

People, this is still a work in progress.

Let's all calm down and evaluate WHAT REALLY is going on.

PROGRESS

Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer

As for the Offense, the key is execution. Penalties and turnovers need to be reduced. Coop and JJ need to work on their blitz pickups, and Jacory needs to identify the coverages and the safeties. Our OL needs to handle their responsiblities. Again, our best players need to play, and I would go to Damian Berry and Travis Benjamin more.

A successful year is still possible, but the Canes have to take care of business.

Go Canes!

Posted by: Windy | October 26, 2009 at 07:59 PM

>>>>>>

JJ and Coop have been superb in their blitz pick-ups but they weren't. Also the loss of Pat Hill is bigger than a lot of us thought because Calhoun isn't ready to step in and step up yet.

miamimike01

Posted by: real deal | October 26, 2009 at 07:22 PM

Tread lightly, Croc.

So, 86, how did the Tampa 2 work for Kiffin and Bucs, just a short few years ago?

C'mon, man. Willie's and Joe's... RS isn't done...

JSQ

JSQ I want to watch the game just to replay some of those great defensive hits but I am just not ready yet. I can't watch sportscenter cannot listen to sports radio....so HG tv it is or maybe Nick at Nite..I love to watch re-runs of the Nanny...How was that show on for so long?

Posted by: canechic | October 26, 2009 at 07:59 PM

It is helping a bit. Seeing through sober eyes where we all went wrong instead of blaming myself for not straightening my hair that day or sitting in the "wrong" seciton during the second half.

FYI: Grey's Anatomy is on Lifetime right now and Legally Blonde just started on Oxygen. I'm also a big HGTV fan. Never watched the Nanny. Can't stand that lady's voice!

btw, I think that whole thing with Whip and Randy was blown out of proportion. Heat of the moment type of thing.

Touchdown, Hank!

BahamaCane

Lovett is the Patrick Nix of defense!

canechic

JSQ I want to watch the game just to replay some of those great defensive hits but I am just not ready yet. I can't watch sportscenter cannot listen to sports radio....so HG tv it is or maybe Nick at Nite..I love to watch re-runs of the Nanny...How was that show on for so long?

JSQ

Serenity is a place I haven't found...YET.

Posted by: 86Cane | October 26, 2009 at 07:55 PM

I had WQAM on all day at work, trying to glean some sort of wisdom from those dudes and reconcile the loss. No answers.

From watching this horror movie/game again, all I can say is it is amazing we were still in a position to win this game after all the mistakes that were made. It was just a perfect storm for Clemson.

Windy

Good news about Jacory as the only ACC QB that is an O'Brien finalist, and Bosher as a Groza award for the past week.

If the Canes can win out, they will be a top 10 team or higher in the final rankings. Although they will be favored in all their remaining games, winning out will not be easy.

Canes have too many injuries on D to be consistent on that side of the ball. Still, the Canes need to find a way to get better play out of the backups who fill in on D. I also think they must play their best players on D and let them make plays. If Buchanon and AB are not ready to make plays, put in Ray Ray in a (5 DB) nickel package and put Ray Ray down in the box and let him blitz. Our safeties need to emulate Clemson's McDaniel play and become the hunter instead of the hunted.

As for the Offense, the key is execution. Penalties and turnovers need to be reduced. Coop and JJ need to work on their blitz pickups, and Jacory needs to identify the coverages and the safeties. Our OL needs to handle their responsiblities. Again, our best players need to play, and I would go to Damian Berry and Travis Benjamin more.

A successful year is still possible, but the Canes have to take care of business.

Go Canes!

Sarasota 'cane

NO! NO! Don't kick it to Spiller! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

Posted by: JSQ | October 26, 2009 at 07:49 PM

Let it go JSQ or you'll end up like "Norwood" from "Ace Ventura, Pet Detective"!

Go 'canes!

P.S. What about the "real deal" 86? Just happened to show up for the first time the Monday after the Clemson loss, with the exact same message as Swamp Donkey?

Child please!

86Cane

I do not think it is the talent as much as the defensive schemes.

Posted by: dlu | October 26, 2009 at 07:34 PM

TOTALLY AGREE. U can't live in 2009 with a defense designed in the 80's anymore than U can live with the Wishbone.

canechic

You know canesteeler I love you man but yesterday I had to think to myself who do I hate more the steelers or Brett Favre?

I had to root for the vikings only because it is better for the Ravens but must admit I love when the true Brett favre comes to surface. Fumble by Brett Favre, interception by Brett Favre, Brett Favre leads his team to the playoffs only to throw 5 picks. Love it!

86Cane

serenity now serenity now.

Posted by: canechic | October 26, 2009 at 07:43 PM

Serenity is a place I haven't found...YET.

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