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October 25, 2009

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Joseph Gatz

First???? Don't like to do it after a loss...

tortugacane

2nd..

solarcane

How do we get to the BCS title Game?

peace

Canez1

Tough one yesterday. Fukked up my whole night!! Funny thing is everyone knows to stay the fukkk away from me when the Canez lose.

I hate to lose.

Bottomline is the kids gave this one away. We played sloppy all game and did not execute. How many fukin penalties can one team have?????

A great Miami team would have overcome those penalties and came out with a W. We are not there yet. We almost had it though.

When our talent on the field starts to overcome any obstacles(penalties, bad reffing, bad bounces)that is when we will know this program is ready for greatness.

The bomb from Jacory after the huge mistake was a glimpse.

It's coming....

And why can't we just end up on the wrong side of a tough fought game without calling for coaches to be fired.

I have yet to see a perfectly coached game and it is tough to coach a team when the kids continue to fukkk up and try to give the game away.

I wish all of our drives where the first drives of the second half. We look all world on them!!!!

GO CANEZ!!!!!


solarcane


On the sideline
Randy usually has the," I just waked through some one's fart" expression,

He trumped it yesterday with his "Whipple jus shyt on my head" look while trotting back down the sideline.

peace

Sean Spence is a Beast!!!

Win or lose baby! We are Canes fans! and nothing will stop us to support our beloved team!!!! let's go 10-2! All is not lost! We can still put ourselves in great position for next year!!!! Team to beat next year!?! You Betcha!!!!!!

Mrs. 86

Agreed w/U 86... Well written article! Let's Go Canes! Stay on the "+" side and all good wishes will come through. Let's Go Canespacers! Keep up the "+" attitude!

CaribCane

I hope that this does not affect our recruiting! I am not taking this loss very well.

tortugacane

Waiting patiently for all great wins in '09! Only looking forward! GO CANES & CANESPACERS! Still time....

toledocane

You tell me 10-2 at the beginning of the season? I'll take it!
Wish Lovett had been a bit more aggressive- rushing 4 the whole game when they're qb is so young didn't make sense, but that's why they call it hindsight. On to the next one- GO CANES!

Conch salad

tough loss last night. I was very dissapointed with the turnout... Dont know how it looked on TV but it was pretty empty. I hate that we always get killed with the same damn plays. We shouldve seen that last td coming a mile away, it was the same play they threw at us all game long on 3rd down.

tortugacane

BTW 86: Enjoyed reading "shot through the heart"... sounds like a song title. Also, enjoyed previous article... Great job.

Calvin

When a team is knowingly young, mistakes can be expected, but when you got supposedly old savvy coaches, they are the ones who are supposed to help the young guns navigate thru the mistakes. Alot of offsides penalties, that's guys being hungry to get after the qb, coaching should calm that down.

I'm not saying fire anybody myself, but i would like to see us become just as aggressive on defense as whipple normally is on offense, every game though he runs a series or 2 where you're saying, what in the world was that bullcrap(keeping it clean for Sunday).

The players did overcome alot of their mistakes in this game, but when you're hering that jacoby ford and them basically drew up a play on the side line to win, that means your defense was to basic the whole game. Now it's basic so the athlete's can make plays, but when you got a team with 2 players that have that kind of speed, you gotta be ready for it.

Even back in the day, rocket ismail got our special teams, although we knew, back than we had alot more guys with heart and speed, that's when rocket earned my respect though was when he took 1 back on us and almost another on but darrl williams tracked him down. That's the thing, panuzzi should have had cory nelms, or dvd back their and tell the kicker to go down field, and if spiller breaks out, somebody needs to track him down.

We all know the players made mistakes, and we had alot of calls in the 1st half, but even still the players put themselves in position to win, the play calls didn't in the end.

Calvin

If the prices are that high, they can hang up seeing a packed house unless it's one of those old school rivalry games. On a positive note though, it's games like these are why all networks want us on t.v. I can guarantee you our game was the most exciting game yesterday, the runner up for intensity and defensive battle goes to the joe dirt game(tennessee and alabama).

That game was yesterday had more ups and downs than i think i ever seen, i'm not sure how many lead changes but if they say we took the lead 7 times, how many lead changes is that for 1 game!

West Palm

Typical Canes footabll over the last few years under Shannon. Lose to teams that we should beat and at HOME! This team is not well coached and it shows week in and week out. We were getting killed by the same three friggin plays all game. The screen to the TE and backs, they had no receiver threat or downfield threat except for splitting Spiller out wide or the wheel route with him.

We should have beat Clemson, this should not have been close. This team never plays a good four quarter game and it killed us tonight. ST's sucked as usual thanks Pannunzio you jerkbag!

I thought Shannon was a defensive coach? He couldn't make any adjustments to stop this whack azz attack that Clemson has? Come the F on dude you suck and any of you homers on here who want to call me out go ahead!!!

We need to get rid of this clown now because all it's going to do is cost us in the long run just like it did with Choker.

We can take the hit in recruiting for a year and if Miami will stop being so damn cheap and pay to get a real head coach we might get some recruits we thought we didn't have a chance at with RS, who knows.

You see teams like USC and UF that win week in and week out. Why because they are well coached and don't give up KO returns or let the one guy they have on O have a career day on them like CJ did with us.

Again they killed us with the tE and RB screen and Spiller. The two wepons thay have we couldn't stop the whole game... PATHETIC!!

I also think Whipple is getting tired of RS's dumb azz and I beleive it was RS that had him run up the middle on those three plays where if we could have gottena first down or two it would have been over!! Against OU we call the beautiful TE drag to the opposite side of the run play we had been setting up all night. Now U tell me was that an RS call or Whip? I think RS overe ruled him and said just run it three times and we will play D which sucked all game made Kyle Parker.. who? look like Dan marino.

Ya'll think what amd say what you wnat but bottom line is we will not win an NC with RS as head coach. We had clappy and now we have stonefaced arm crosser! Did you see Clemson coach hyped up and actually coaching his kids and talking to them on the sideline? Does RS even need a head set except to listen to what the O is calling? He doesn;t ever talk to any players or coach during the game, just stands there arms crossed and stone faced no emaoton.

I'm not even pissed because this is the norm for the Canes the last 7 years. We just don't get it done anymore bottom line.

Canez1

Cal

RS has never been overly aggressive on D and will never allow it here.

This is the same D we have had for the past ten years.

Wether it is Young or Lovett or whoever at DC this is RS's D.

It is what it is....

I agree and would like to see a more aggressive D gameplan. Especially to make up for our injurise on the Dline. They need help and the DB's cannot be blamed for blown coverages most of the time. You can't cover someone for 10 fukkin seconds on a play.

GO CANEZ!!!!!

West Palm

Sorry about all the spelling errors on my post I am not a good typer which is one of the reasons I never post.

Cat 5 Cane

Someone clarify the time-out call by Randy in the first half with a couple of seconds remaining.

Calvin

The one thing about it hough, with this team, at least we're back to feeling like we're shocked when/if we lose. he feeling that alot of us have right now, while we all hate it, just think, it wasn't to long ago where we all knew we'd lose.

I know another thing that makes me proud about Miami though, we know football, and don't trip or complain on calls unless they are right. For instance, when the ref came out and confirmed that that tight-end from clemson didn't fumble, you didn't hear our crowd getting mad or upset, or booign the call, our crowd was basically like on o the next play. All other stadiums and team fans are so desparate they don't even like right calls.

Back to how we feel though, we're all dissappointed because we all know we should have won that game, the sicker these guys feel the more they are going to train, mentally these guys did not come here to lose any games, they don't care, but like i said before the season started, gone are the days where you're going to just dominate us(v-tech don't count, it was cold and raining), if you beat us, it's going to take alot of great plays, and clemson made alot of plays.

When you look at it though, it was the 4 from Florida that made the biggest difference against us, spiller and ford of course, kyle parker and deandre mcdaniel, and actually kevin alexander, another Florida boy made a big stop on the 1 screen pass that would have seemed to go for a long gain, but franklin missed the block!

pb(CSROH10)

Next day thoughts on Clemson, a real heart breaker:

1)Jacory is an incredible talent, but still a Sophomore.

2)We conceded from snap one (and rightfully slow) that our o-line could not handle their pass rush, so we ran the ball much more than I'm sure Whip wanted to.

3)Spiller is by far the best player in college football. If he played for Texas or OU, he would be buying his Heisman suit today.

4)While the future is so bright, 10-2 is still likely and I love this team, our lack of depth is what separates us from true contenders this season.

5)Dont understand the surprise. Canes teams have ALWAYS been sloppy. They just overcame it with superior talent.

6)JSQ has absolutely gorgeous blue eyes.

Alan

Weren't you the one dreaming about a championship title this year. C'mon man, we're not even good enough to win the ACC. I'm not ragging on the Canes squad. I'm just saying that we need to be a little more realistic. Half the freakin' defense is hurt. Aquinas probably has a better special team than we do. We've done well this year, but to dream about a title shot...Leave that to missionary boy up north. At least they can win big games. We used to know how to do that.

Texascane

You can't turn the ball over four times and beat anyone. It was amazing that it was as close as it was.

If you are only rushing four, how does Ford get single coverage on the last play? It was 3rd and 11. Play the first down.

What's with JJ running out of bounds all the time?

Benjamin was the only receiver out on that side of the field on the long touch down. There were three defenders in the area and he just ran by them. Have to think that was there all night.

Three off sides penalties on the defense on one drive...never seen that before.

How do you design a coverage where CJ Spiller is assigned, man to man, to a linebacker? Spence couldn't stay with him if he was healthy, much less limping noticeably. That's the same play Cooper scored on against FSU. If we run the play, seems like we could come up with something better to defend it.

The special teams have been less than adequate since they let Sol go. One more move to make.

Just some observations.

Esteban

would have been nice to have Futch there to fill in for spence when he got hurt.

also would have been nice to have Ojomo available to help with the pass rush.

and pat hill to open some holes in the run game.

but especially would have been nice if we didn't lose to a team that has 2 players on offense that they look for on every play.

Esteban

pb, Spiller is the most electrifying. far from the best. no matter how much our defense tried to make him look it.

Calvin

west palm, time will tell whether shannon will win a national championship but to say this was a typical Canes game under shannon, youact as if shannon has been the coach here for 7 years or something. The man's 1st year he had no talent, the 2nd year we played stronger, and now in his third year, we were in the national championship hunt, for a 1st time headcoach, name another team somewhere else that can say that.

Canez1, you right about the defense, at the same time though, yesterday was one of those games where i found myself thinking about bill young, although i didn't like all that zone he ran, it would have made more sense yesterday to run some zone, especially underneath, had we run zone on that 3rd down, we'd probably get a tipped pass, speaking of tipped passes, our d-line never really do that.

We let a young qb off the hook yesterday, i was have blitzed the hell out of clemson, especially on 1st and third downs.

shannon does ned to stop letting his emotions get in the way and let whipple run that offense entirely, otherwise, whip is going to continue to feel insulted, at the same time shannon is showing paranoa from letting nix have full ran alst year and not intervening, so this year he seems to be saying i'm going to stay on top of the offense more as oppose to being more involved with the defense more.

Hell, when you're one of the good defensive minds in football, it's idiotic not to lend a hand in the defensive game plan, you can't treat defensive coordinators like you got treated when you were one, because not many in the business coached a top ten defense on a regular basis.

Texascane

On the bright side, if this game occurred last year or the past three or four years, yesterday would have been a Virginia/GT/LSU style beatdown for the 'Canes.

We're getting better...slowly.

Calvin

texasCane, this lost can't be blamed on turn-overs, hell clemson had them to, so the tunr-over battle was a wash. The game was lost in the end by the coaching staff. If it was a sloppy game, clemson played just as sloppy, what i do know if we stayed aggressive until the end, we win this game sloppy or not.

I agree though that wheel route play where spence was in man coverage with spiller, the best case scenario was for spence to just clip em, that's where our safeties and their player recognition was not good.

great question when you ask, if we're only rushing 4, how does ford get open. I'm trying to figure out how many linebackers did we have in on that play.

Caneslegend

I felt like I get hit in the gut after this loss. This had shades of the Penn St. game back in 98. Defensive break downs in a game we should have won. Our defensive needs depth really bad and it showed today. And people need to understand Jacory is young and he is really young. He needs a year like this to learn and Canes fans most come back to reality and realize what everyone was saying in the beginning of the year 9-3 or 8-4. That is the team we were dealt with. I watched other high class programs on Saturday and I saw how we need to improve our depth and Coaching. This was a complete loss. Coaching and players. Peace out and Go Canes

86Cane

New photos are up!

86Cane

I have no more comments on the game until later. Driving back to the 863 from the 954. I'll give U only ONE warning: Stay the hell outta my way!

Mephistopheles

If we get the first down, everyone here would be saying "the Canes have heart-rammed it down their throats-swagger."

It didn't work. What was the difference between this game and FSU? One Play. Just one play. In years past, once Clemson gets the pick 6, UM collapses. This team has enough fire power to come back. And they are the youngest contending team in the nation by far.

This is a good, young team with a huge upside. Does anyone recall that we've lost Josh Holmes, M. Forston, Ojomo and Gavin Hardin on the D line. Could Clemson lose 4 players like that on the D line and compete with us? Not to mention Futch, Hill and all the other injuries to the D alone.

The media made a big deal all week about UF missing 3 starters on D-We're missing at least 6 almost every game!

Maybe Lovett deserves a little break, huh? He allowed 26 points to an explosive team, and even contributed 7. 34 points should have been more than enough to win this game. If Uribe doesn't miss a squib call we probably win. One play.

The only thing that concerns me is a potential rift between Whip and Onion. We need Whip to stay. He has done a great job with this O, and the bright future I see has Mark Whipple as the OC. I hope this is just one of those things that happen in a stressful situation and not something more serious.

I know we could have won this game, but this is the last tough match-up we have for the rest of the year. Right now, we are succeptible to big play offensive teams. None of our future opponents have theoffensive fire power of Clemson-not even close. Our O can move against anyone (barring a monsoon) so the future match-ups favor Miami.

With the injuries and youth on this team (and 2 brand new coordinators and systems) can U really be disappointed with 10-2?

86Cane

How do we get to the BCS title Game?

Posted by: solarcane | October 25, 2009 at 10:06 AM

BTW...I forgot to mention that the previous article was written by UMIKE, not by me. Forgot the credits AGAIN.

Hassan

We are a young team, we need a pass rush, we need to learn better play calling and we need to win out to regain cane pride.

we are a banged up team, i feel if we was 100% we win that game sloppy and all. J12 as a Junior does not throw those picks, anyone notice our 2 "best WR AJ and LB have not done much, I say throw Streeter in there. I still do not know how we do not throw a jump ball in the end zone with our WR and tall TE's in OT, that is better then running into the teeth of a great DL sounds like fiesta bowl all over again.

shwarma

West Palm and Alan (and any other new posters) welcome to the blog. But one thought, if its your first time posting, why litter our blog with your severe negativity? At least try and be constructive that's all.

This loss certainly sucks and the coaches and players are certainly to blame, but calling for heads to roll and criticizing people who know a lot more about the game than any of us won't do much good.

pb(CSROH10)

Posted by: Swamp Donkey | October 25, 2009 at 11:18 AM


Sure. Jacory, Benjamin, Ray Ray, Coop, Bailey, Bosher, Fox among others have really regressed.

Can't teach a pig, no matter how smart it is, to drive a car.

There hasn't been talent to develop until now.

Calvin

meph, CHILD PLEASE, who on here would have said that was Cane swagger had we gotten the 1st down running the ball 3 straight times, you can't be serious talking to the witnesses of the 3rd and 43 bunch!

shwarma

Before we get into talent development discussions lets put one thing on the table that I think makes this conversation pointless in regards to the Shannon administration:

Two offensive coordinators, three defensive coordinators. How do you want a kid to development when he has new systems to learn? That has been as big a problem as anything.

Rashad

I not trying to stir the hornets nest, just asking a question. Does anyone else feel like all preseason, that everybody talked about the first four games being so tough, that maybe the team has peaked during that stretch (minus the slopfest in Blacksburg). Last 3 weeks this teams play has regressed. Even against FAMU, play wasnt overly impressive, but I figured that was a team coming off a high after the Okla win. Then the Ucf game really scared me. That team is below average at best and the Canes let them hang around too long. I just hope somebody in that lockeroom can get these guys ready to finish strong..And not end up at the Music City Bowl..haha

Calvin

The best and truest thing i ever read pb say:

Sure. Jacory, Benjamin, Ray Ray, Coop, Bailey, Bosher, Fox among others have really regressed.

Can't teach a pig, no matter how smart it is, to drive a car.

There hasn't been talent to develop until now.
Posted by: pb(CSROH10) | October 25, 2009 at 11:24 AM

Mephistopheles

My point, Calvin, is that fans respond to winning and losing. When you win, everything is great, when you lose, you suck.

And save the ocho cinco childishness. The crowd was quiet after the review because they were all home like you watching on TV.

Hurriphin

Hurri'......U.

Certainly NOT trying to incite a riot here, but just would like to hear a variety of opinions........

If Whip was the head coach @ UM, (and in addition was still in control of the Off.) what do you guys think the state of the team would be?
I'm certain we still lose @ VT, but I say we put up a sixty-bird vs. FAMU, and a fifty-bird vs. UCF, and we indeed win against Clem. IN SPITE of Lovett's "scheme."

Hurriphin

I still do not know how we do not throw a jump ball in the end zone with our WR and tall TE's in OT, that is better then running into the teeth of a great DL sounds like fiesta bowl all over again.

Posted by: Hassan | October 25, 2009 at 11:21 AM


PLEASE LISTEN TO THIS MAN, COACH!!!!

Calvin

The crowd thing is overrated, it would have been fuller at the OB. You have no point meph unless you're speaking correctly, that game was lost because we got conservative!

Esteban

the wake forest game can't get here quick enough.

jimmy

I cant believe people are being critcal of Whipple. The guy put up 30pts on a defense that people on this very board were claiming to be so great. We amassed 430 yards of offense. We avg 5.1yds per carry.

I know JH is from Dade so he above criticism but he was part of the problem yesterday. I asked a question a few weeks ago if we should be concerned about his turnovers and the overwhelming response was "no". Do we still hold that answer. Calvin can say yeah but Jacory came right back and scored. Look I love jacory and there prbably isnt another QB i would want on my team but its getting ridiculous. He threw a pick in the redzone, would have been pts. he throws a horrible pick before the half where we could have at least attempted a long FG.( Speaking of that, how can Bosher nail 51 yard fgs with room to spare but cant kick it 60 yards off of a tee)Then he threw the pick six. I admire that he can come back from his mistakes, but its HIS MISTAKES that are placing us in this situation. He has 10ins in 7games. This doesnt even mention the fact that he fumbles every game also. Luckily we have recovered most of these.

My biggest complaint with the Offense is where in the he!! is Berry. He has proven for 3 straight weeks that he is our best RB. He is the only one that can read the right hole and explode. He expects to take it to the house on every run. You can see after he gets tackled he is pissed. Coop makes nice plays but he misses so many holes. he runs like a chicken with his head cutoff.

As for the offensive playcalling, I cant complain. we moved the ball at will on them. They never really stopped us but 1 to 2 times. unfortunately these were at the end of the games. I would have called a pass on 3rd down but EVERYONES only complaining because it didnt work. Whipple doesnt have the benefit of hindsight.

As for the D, i dont know where to begin. I dont know that blitzing would have worked any better. While we say that Parker had all day he rarely threw the ball deep. Out of of 30+ attempts only probably 6-7 were more than 10 yards down field. Blitzing would have just opened more opportunities for spiller. They ran nothing but tosses,wr screens and playaction to the TE. You blitz a screen and its a TD. YOu have to respect Spiller so on the play fake it opened up the TE. This was no more evident than when Mccarthy blitzed the edge and Parker hit the TE for like 30 yards. how about someone actually cover the guy? There are holes in every Defense. Its up to the offense to find it. Their Oc called the right plays. Also, outside of Bailey and Mccarthy, who really made plays. Vernon might get up field but nothing ever happens. he got pancaked numerous times in the run game. we stopped the run up the middle well. Mrob and wesley were no factors aside being offsides. The secondary didnt realy get tested but blew coverages the few times they were. You can blame Lovett but Clemson ran some good plays that isolated Spiller.


Look obviously plays that didnt worked should have been called differently after the fact. Sometimes u just need to tip your cap to the opposing team. The offense made plays, the D forced 4 TO's and they returned a kick. Sometimes Although difficult the other team plays a good game.

One last thing, I defended Fluzzy at times but ST's are horrible. How can Coop, TB and Collier, avg less than 1yd per return?

Hurriphin

I'll tell you what,

If UM goes out and beats WF 34-14, the sun will come back out. But if we only win 20-17, (and I'm not even gonna mention the other possible outcome)this little downhill snowball that has started, is gonna start getting dangerously bigger........

Hey Coach, if you want your money, you might wanna ease up on the "I'm the stoic, unforgiving, stubborn coach" routine.

Hurriphin

.( Speaking of that, how can Bosher nail 51 yard fgs with room to spare but cant kick it 60 yards off of a tee)

-jimmy

I liked that one....

Esteban

gotta agree more than disagree (a lot more) with Jimmy on yesterday.

Alex D

What’s up Legion, haven’t posted in a while. It was a tough loss last night, the Offense got a little too conservative after the Randy Phillips pick and after the 20 yard run by Graig Cooper in overtime. The Defense was simply not aggressive enough. On another note, here is where I believe the departure of those two backup QB’s hurt Jacory. Jacory is not a threat to pull the ball down and run like he did few times last year for fear of getting injured. Maybe it’s me, but has he had a rush for more than 5 yards this year scrabbling out of the pocket? Just my thought, have a great Sunday.

shwarma

Jimmy - Great post as it was intelligent fair and balanced

Texascane

Actually, I enjoyed the spat between Whipple and RS. About time we get some assistant coaches with some confidence and fire in their bellies.

I figure that Randy and Whip met this morning and Whip told Randy that if he interfered with the offense again, RS would be calling the plays.

Randy has just not bought into the fact that this offense is going to score points...he still thinks that if we play aggressive defense and the other guys score 21- we lose.

RS has to understand that if you hire good people, you have to let them do their job. Whipple was right to be ticked off...it was his call, not Randy's. It turned out that Whip was right, that TO taken probably cost us points.

Hurriphin

We should've know where Spiller was at all times, for sure. But guys knew where Jordan was on most nights, and it rarely ever made a difference.......

Hurriphin

Alex D, I gotta be honest with you. I thought Jacory could've/should've run it in for the score on 3rd down in OT, rather than force that throw to either #22 or #23.

Was I alone in seeing that option available?

SuperCooper

Next week will say a lot about this team/coaching staff

The trend has been under Shannon to fold after getting off to a fast start. The team will either

1) Come out flat and unprepared once again, thus letting Wake stay in a game they have no buisness in being. And if we some how lose this game, there is a possibility of losing 4 or 5 games this year with UNC/USF still on the road.

2) Actually play a full 60 minutes and beat the living crap out of them. If they do this, then I'll feel a whole lot better.


So, which will it be?

Six

Everytime I read it, I still don't really know where that person is coming from, and it happens a lot on here or sports talk radio, newspaper comments

How is recruiting being hurt by losing a game?

Seriously.

And why would you want a kid that would change his mind so quickly from week to week. Oh, the Canes lost, I'm taking them off my mythical list that I've told the Rivals/Scout writers who I drag along on a leash

Anyone remember a 5-7 record a couple of years ago? Anyone remember the kids that still came to the "U", even after that 5-7 record? How many of those kids have made some kind of impact on this team, right now. They still came, even after the kids still knowing that Patrick Nix was calling the Offense ... and who exactly did the Canes "lose out on" that year - Patchan? Lerentee McCray?

7-6 last year, even with Patrick Nix still calling the plays ... then getting fired and Bill Young leaving - a real uncertainty for the kids who were recruited and gave a verbal - but they still signed their LOI anyway, except for one primadonna who is up in Rocky Top right now

How would a team that went 3-1 through the toughest schedule in the nation, then is now 5-2, really look any worse than the 5-7 and 7-6 team ... esp. when it has a NFL caliber OCoordinator to work with you

But yet, it's really going to hurt recruiting?

The Canes get who they get, they target who they target, they go after the kids who will fit their program in their minds - that doesn't always mean the flavor of the month 10 star rated kid ... it could mean the kid who no one has really heard about, YET, or who doesn't have offers from the major football powerhouses

bg1906

Daniel Adderly on facebook.

"....yes my vols lost, we gonna be alright when I'm out there though. but there is nothing that brings joy to my heart more than seeing miami lose!"

Calvin

jimmy, i'm not concerned with jacory throwing interceptions, as long as he stays aggressive and keeps putting points on the board that's all i care about. He'll eventually cut down on his interceptions, just comes with the territory of being a young aggressive 1st year collegiate starter. If he's throwing alot of intterceptions next year, than maybe you can be concerned.

This is the one game where special teams helped to cost us the game, we can't keep giving teams feild position at the 40 yard line.

Hurriphin, even if the game next week is close at wake forest, i wouldn't be surprised, that game in my book is like the game where after Fsu lost to us, they barely beat jacksonville st.

Esteban

Adderly talkin stuff? oh brother.

mi@mic@ne

I got a couple of positive things to say... we have a bunch of quality lites out hitters on this team.. the d did bring the wood. I think Clemson is going to have it rough for awhile. That was a real hard hitting nite... and we will feel much better than they today..... but our pass d did not match our aggressive tackling. We had a military strategy of shooting our cannons while we were hiding behind a hill... we should have come up to the top and rushed in hand to hand combat. We were better warriors than they were... our strategy did not match our strengths... we could have speed rushed up the middle all night long and put a hurtin on their baseball pitcher. He def. had the same experience as a pitcher who throws from the mound.

Six

As for the Shannon & Whipple spat, go back and look at this very message board - if you were to not even see the game, you could tell by the Grand Canyon sized range of emotions in the posts on here during different times and be able to think in your mind what the team was doing at that time or how the game was going

Now, with that being said, this is only a message board

Imagine the ultimate jacked up feeling of being on the field as a coach, seeing the score, seeing the time left on the clock, knowing that it's almost half time, you're down and trying to move the ball down the field to score, you're 10 times more frustrated than anyone on here ... then the timeout thing happens

Of course you're going to go TNT mushroom cloud and there's going to be a hell of a lot of network cameras to catch it for the nation to see. You think you're going to cool off, 20 seconds after it happens? Hell no, there's still people on here that are pissed about the game ... so imagine being Whipple or Shannon, during that time, on the field and heading into the locker room

You're going to show every single ounce of your frustration and all the lip readers out there better get ready for some NC-17 rated content when the director of that game tells the technical director and cameraman to stay on Whipple, zoom in tight and don't leave him until he goes through that tunnel

SuperCooper

Daniel Adderly on facebook.

"....yes my vols lost, we gonna be alright when I'm out there though. but there is nothing that brings joy to my heart more than seeing miami lose!"

Posted by: bg1906 | October 25, 2009 at 12:23 PM

He couldn't hack it here and got beat out by a guy who is playing football for the first time, and then he bad mouths us? Sounds like someone is mad.

Six

Am I wrong, or wasn't there a penalty called for too many men being on the field against Miami AFTER the timeout was called

Once again, how does that happen? Isn't a certain package called during the timeout, is yelled out to the players on the bench and in the huddle during the timeout, so everyone should know who should be on the field and off the field?

Six

The Truth is MIA

I'm going to go print a million copies of his pic and put them on milk cartons .. but since I don't have a pic of him, I'll just write "The Truth" and the last time he was seen on here

Hope the people that get the milk cartons don't think it's one of those stupid anti-cigarette ads that you'd always see on television from that obnoxious company

Calvin

Sounds like why someone is not here anymore too!

bg1906

Shannon also was asked about the situation that occurred with offensive coordinator Mark Whipple at the end of the first half after Shannon called timeout.

"He was just upset because he didn't have the right personnel on the field," Shannon said. "Coach Whipple, he's emotional on the football field. We called timeout, he was upset he didn't have the right personnel on the field. The media blows it out of proportion."

Asked if Whipple was shouting at Shannon, the coach said, "No. He was upset he didn't have the right personnel on the field. That's all that was. We're just trying to get the personnel on the field, that's all."

bg1906

^^^That response means it is none of our business! HAHAHAHA!^^^

bg1906

Q: The play calling on that last series of regulation, why didn't those runs work?

Shannon: They played good defense. Here's how football is, football 101 - it's like this, guys have to line up and block the guys in front of them. Sometimes guys physically get beat. If they physically get beat, oh well. Or people may run a stunt where a guy misses a block, they make a play. That's basically what happened. Either a guy stunted, the combo guys weren't there, or a guy just physically got beat. It was a combination of all of (that). We played sloppy football last night. It was all of it. That's what happened. I can't say this is exactly what happened 1, 2, 3. When you get in those situations, kill the clock - one time they lined up five defensive linemen in the game and we blew the call. One time that did happen. A guy didn't notice - all it takes is one guy - and when they make that mistake then somebody is going to get turned loose. I can tell you that happened.

Q: Was it the play call or the execution that was the problem on those three consecutive runs?

Shannon: I'll never say play call. You could run anything and it should work (with good execution).

Q: Did you think about putting Damien Berry in instead of Javarris James at the end of regulation?

Shannon: No. Damien or Javarris, it was all the same.

Calvin

Basically, and we'll see how this coaching staff stays together, i'm sure ego's got in the way yesterday, if shannon is right, than whip let his emotions get the best of him, if shannon was wrong, was it the wrong call to play it safe.

mi@mic@ne

I dont know but to me its obvious... do you put the game in the hands of JH or the running backs and the o line? We got success all nite long on JH arm and JH is the pressure guy.
One other thing... Spiller gets loose on the final regulation drive running the ball. I think that was a telling sign that we are not there yet... running it down out throats when it counts. We need more depth on the d.

jimmy

calvin, I am not concerned about Jacory going forward. i have no doubt that he will cut down on his ints. Although He has now thrown 17 ints in 383 att. in his career That is 1 int every 22att. That has got to get better this year or we will lose another game. When you throw in his fumbling it is a MAJOR cause for concern. again he brought us back against OU but he killed the first 2 drives with bad INT's and had a big fumble that was recovered by fox. You cant always overcome those.


On a more positive note, I was a year off. i had hankerson as my legend of the fall last year but I couldnt be happier for the kid. He has turned into a dominant WR. A little dissapointed that he didnt get the ball more yesterday. Man amongst boys.

jimmy

miamicane, I dont think they ran the ball down our throats. They avg like 2.5 yards per carry. Spiller is going to break some runs on you. It doesnt mean anything more than he is a GREAT player and made a nice run.

Caneslegend

Here is the problem. Miam said all week we are focused on special teams and we give up a dumb TD at the end of the half. Why did we kick it to them so stupid. No blitzing on a freshman. That man was comfortable all game. Randy better be careful because if he blows out Whip because of his ego then we are in trouble. We need stability in this program. Damn it Randy go back to coaching the defense. Other head coach's do play calling duties. (Urban-offense, Saban-Defense...) If he feels overwhelmed then maybe he shouldn't be a head coach. I just see the same things happening to this team over and over. We get a little success and then we lose. This team can not sustain winning moments. Ok Clemson has talent but we have to win that game. Every year I hear the same excuses. Bottom line Chicken sandwhich bowl and the gator bowl are not accomplishments for this once proud program.

Calvin

What i don't understand though is this, how hard is it to communicate to the kicker what type of kick to do, if we're having problems communicating to the kicker on what kick to do, that's a problem.

Next, that play basically came down to special teams coverage plain and simple, while spiller is dangerous, he's still got to be contained and kept in the middle of the field.

Six

Brandon Meriweather already has 2 INTs for the Patriots in the first 6 minutes of the game

One went for a TD

Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer

Swamp Donkey and West Palm, where the hell have y'all been with this dumb shyt all year long??

And if you're comparing Shannon to anyone, compare him to them in Year 3 of a complete rebuild.

Y'all are so desperate to rip Shannon that you even think he's calling the dam plays. lol

Idiotic and desperate.

Why did we lose??

Our D could not get off the field on 3rd down.

Whipple got scared in crunch time when we could've put the game away.

Penalties and other mental errors.

But of course the only thing you fools see is Shannon. It's really just comical, how desperate some people are.

Hurriphin

Brandon Meriweather already has 2 INTs for the Patriots in the first 6 minutes of the game

One went for a TD

Posted by: Six | October 25, 2009 at 01:19 PM


HITSTICK!

Oh yeah, sorry to hear about that Six.

Sean Spence is a Beast!!!

The lost last night killed my entire week, but last time i checked we still have 5 games left in the season, 2 plus more assuming we play in the ACC championship and a bowl game, so there is still life in our Canes!

Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer

Here is the problem. Miam said all week we are focused on special teams and we give up a dumb TD at the end of the half. Why did we kick it to them so stupid. No blitzing on a freshman. That man was comfortable all game. Randy better be careful because if he blows out Whip because of his ego then we are in trouble. We need stability in this program. Damn it Randy go back to coaching the defense. Other head coach's do play calling duties. (Urban-offense, Saban-Defense...) If he feels overwhelmed then maybe he shouldn't be a head coach. I just see the same things happening to this team over and over. We get a little success and then we lose. This team can not sustain winning moments. Ok Clemson has talent but we have to win that game. Every year I hear the same excuses. Bottom line Chicken sandwhich bowl and the gator bowl are not accomplishments for this once proud program.

Posted by: Caneslegend | October 25, 2009 at 01:00 PM


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Legend, bro, what do you mean overwhelmed? lol

Shannon was understandably pizzed that we didn't call aggressive plays to put the game away. How does that mean he wants to call the plays??

He feels like we could've and should've won the game. Period. It didn't happen so he's pizzed, especially because we had so many chances to put it away.

Bottom line though, is we're a young team who's best players are freshmen and sophomores. And we have a lot of injuries that have put a lot of pressure on the starters and upperclassmen.

I think our OL is really worn down after the first four games. They haven't played well since then to be honest, not even against FAMU.

But that's what we have. The coaching is fine they just need to get a little more confident and aggressive in their play calling, Lovett esp. But I'm sure he's a little conservative because he doesn't want to expose our DBs to too much pressure but you have to seize the moment, and 3rd down slant TDs are definitely not seizing the moment.

Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer

And for all the talk about Shannon's conservative defenses, Shannon blitzed when he had the personnel their who could handle it. Otherwise, with an anemic offense, he played it safe.

The 2001 and 2002 teams blitzed frequently but so did the 2005. Anyone remember the VT 2005 game??

I think Lovett will blitz more from here on out because our DL is banged up and can't bring every time.

LA

We lost to unranked team at HOME! Polls are out and we are #18. Big Picture-Can we or could be beat: Cinny, Boise St, Iowa, TCU, LSU, Oregon, GT(again), Penn St, OK ST, VT, Houston, or Pitt????
I know we could not beat Bama, UT, or USC.
I would like a shot at the Gators! I think we could take supermans cape and wrap it around his fullback neck!

Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer

I think the letdown comes from the fact that we all see the glimpses of how talented this team is and can be.

But the reality is just like Shannon has said, over and over and over in interviews..

"We have a long way to go....."

To be where we want and expect to be.

You can bet no other team will open with four games like ours again. It takes it's toll, at least it has with this team, OL-DL especially.

Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer

We lost to unranked team at HOME! Polls are out and we are #18. Big Picture-Can we or could be beat: Cinny, Boise St, Iowa, TCU, LSU, Oregon, GT(again), Penn St, OK ST, VT, Houston, or Pitt????
I know we could not beat Bama, UT, or USC.
I would like a shot at the Gators! I think we could take supermans cape and wrap it around his fullback neck!

Posted by: LA | October 25, 2009 at 01:45 PM


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#18 is about right. We could beat all those teams if we could get a complete game from our D and O. Playcalling on defense needs to be tweaked a little though. Lovett needs to call the way he called the UCF game. I think it suits our D's mindset better. The GT was a good example of that too.

Aquaman

excuses, keep them coming...

LA

WHEN UF plays BAMA,,,,the joke will be exposed!
I do think we would have a solid chance at beating UF becuz they do not have any deep threats.

Hurriphin

And you are out of your mind if you think playing Florida would be a good game. It would be a lot worse outcome than last year, I can promise you that.

Posted by: Swamp Donkey | October 25, 2009 at 01:49 PM


No doubt, especially seeing how UF absolutely LIT IT UP vs. unranked Tenn., Ark., and Miss St.....

Sean Spence is a Beast!!!

Swamp, we are obviously good enough to win games this year, focus is the main key, every single one of the teams in the top 25 are overrated this year, none of them is overwhelmingly good, we'll get our shot at one of them if we take care of business from here on out, trust me every single teams out there are just as fragile as we are, anyone could get beat on any given saturday!

Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer

My biggest complaint with the Offense is where in the he!! is Berry. He has proven for 3 straight weeks that he is our best RB. He is the only one that can read the right hole and explode. He expects to take it to the house on every run. You can see after he gets tackled he is pissed. Coop makes nice plays but he misses so many holes. he runs like a chicken with his head cutoff.

As for the offensive playcalling, I cant complain. we moved the ball at will on them. They never really stopped us but 1 to 2 times. unfortunately these were at the end of the games. I would have called a pass on 3rd down but EVERYONES only complaining because it didnt work. Whipple doesnt have the benefit of hindsight.

As for the D, i dont know where to begin. I dont know that blitzing would have worked any better. While we say that Parker had all day he rarely threw the ball deep. Out of of 30+ attempts only probably 6-7 were more than 10 yards down field. Blitzing would have just opened more opportunities for spiller. They ran nothing but tosses,wr screens and playaction to the TE. You blitz a screen and its a TD. YOu have to respect Spiller so on the play fake it opened up the TE. This was no more evident than when Mccarthy blitzed the edge and Parker hit the TE for like 30 yards. how about someone actually cover the guy? There are holes in every Defense. Its up to the offense to find it. Their Oc called the right plays. Also, outside of Bailey and Mccarthy, who really made plays. Vernon might get up field but nothing ever happens. he got pancaked numerous times in the run game. we stopped the run up the middle well. Mrob and wesley were no factors aside being offsides. The secondary didnt realy get tested but blew coverages the few times they were. You can blame Lovett but Clemson ran some good plays that isolated Spiller.

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Jimmy, great points, although I don't think you toss aside JJ and Coop because Berry had a couple of good/great runs against UCF and FAMU. Going forward, however, that might change.

The D came down to the DL's inability to get pressure. I think Lovett could've used certain blitzs on 1st and maybe 2nd down then faked a few on 3rd. But I'm sure he was thinking along the same lines as you.

Fluzzi is just abysmal. Shannon's got a decision to make on this one.

As for Whipple, I think you have to stay aggressive esp. with play-action after good runs. To me that's the question at the end of the game, esp after Phillips INT.

But I think overall we'll come out of this game clearer and better going forward. Lovett will get a little deeper into the playbook and Whipple might too.

Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer

Yea your right, the CEO has nothing to do with the company. He made some awesome hiring decisions (McGriff, Young, Nix, Pannunzio).

Next year when we are mediocre again then you will change your tone. I doubt it though. You are like the parents of the little league kid who sucks but complains about how he should be playing more and yet we are the comical ones. Hahahaha ok dude

Posted by: Swamp Donkey | October 25, 2009 at 01:52 PM

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Like I said before, where was all this bullshat when we were whoopin' azz and taking names??

How do you explain those games since the CEO has nothing to do with it?? Or since the CEO is so incompetent?

Dude, like I said, pathetic and desperate. You only see what you want to see to prove your desperate point.

Year 3 of the complete rebuild and you're comparing this team to OU and USC, coaches 8-10 years deep into their programs.

Oh wait, DIDN'T WE BEAT OU??

Oh yeah. I guess you forgot about that. Any excuse to bytch and moan but you're nowhere to be found when we win. Sounds like you have a mental disorder of some sort bro. You should get that checked out.

LOL. Keep spewing the irrational nonsense. It's entertaining.

LA

WOW just WOW.....completely dumbfounded and speechless.

Look, I hate the Gators probably more than any other team EVER but honestly please please please DO NOT compare this team to a team that has won 2 out of the last 3 NC's, its not a good idea

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HAS HAS HAS.....Not the same team. Not even close! I would like to see the game and not listen to the GREAT DEBATE!

Aquaman

I don't think Shannon hired Pannunzio it was Coke-r

"Joe Pannunzio is an outstanding hire for us, and we're really excited about what he brings to Miami," said UM head coach Larry Coker.

LA

Couple of plays from yesterday?!

Spence covering Spiller on wheel route. Tiger knew Spence was limpng and hurt. That is on Spence.

Kicking deep before the half. WHY? We had mo and getting ball to start the 2nd half. What was reward or why chance it. Just get out of the half....NO ONE TOUCHED HIM! And why wasn't Sheilds(4.2) playing saftey to track him down???

JH pick six. That was great play be the Tigers CB. He came off the deep WR and came back to cut in front of AJ. Just great football and skill by the CB.

TD to win.... Doulbe cover Ford and Spiller. Make someelse beat Us. And HIT everything that moves to protect endzone. Pass interference would have been ok. Field ties us...Why didn't the LB drop back deep protect goal line. Give up first down but not TD.

Six

Hurriphin - it's cool, I don't mind if a Cane makes plays against the Bucs ... if it was any other player though, I'd be more pissed

Brady has thrown as many INTs this game as Josh Johnson for the Bucs has

conch salad

"And you are out of your mind if you think playing Florida would be a good game. It would be a lot worse outcome than last year, I can promise you that."

You just lost all your credibility on that one bro. Florida isnt as good as they were last year and we are a much better team than we were last year. How could you possibly think this unless you are a gaytor fan?

solarcane

Why preseason rankings should come with a disclamier stating you should seek medical attention if the rankings give you an erection lasting over four games.

As the real seasons wears on things come into perspective

The Fairytale

Miami faces the toughest schedule in football and beat 3 top ranked teams out of four, they could win the ACC and contend for the NC

The reality

Miami is about the 16 to 20th best team in the country and beat a very good 11th ranked GT team.


peace


USAFCane

the dust has settled and I still think we way better then last year and probably ahead of what I truly expected for this year. Clemson were good and we didn't play our best game so the loss was fiar.

Load of talent on the O but still some distance to go on D IMO. ST are bad IMO.

Improve these areas and we are true contenders next year but I still expect great things this year.

The last thing I have to say is JH is going to great. He threw a pick 6 and tuned around and hit TB for that TD. The guy will make us great again.

Calvin

Lol, saying that if we played the gators this year and the game would be worse than last year is all you need to read cav to know it's no use in talking with that retard. cav, just take the old approach that wise manwho said, "never argue with fools, cause people from a distance can't tell who's who. Of course at the same time we not at a distance on this one, we can see clearly.

Way to call out another jack-hole, either it's a name change or he's unbearables twin brother.

Say what you want about mickey, but aggression iswhat you're going to get from him all game, he's going to force the qb to make a read. This year is alot like the cotton bowl year, we did lose 2 games that year as well before drubbing texas. After having kyle and kirby as your qb's when you knew all was lost after we got down by 7 points, anybody trying to criticize jacory at this juncture is ridiculous at best.

I'm proud of this team this year, more importantly though they are not satisfied as a team, to see that many guys just sit down on the field after that lost tells me all i need to know about this team, you talking about sick, you hear the answers of the defensive players, nobody cares about the plays they made, all the majority of these guys care about is whether we won or lost.

From here on out, the players will take matters into their own hands, just like randy phillips notice, he should have taken mater into his own hands on that last play, snooze you lose. The seniors on this team are grateful for the ride though, moncur must be hurt again as well, would have been good to have him out their.

While i would have thrown james or coop to the side, i'm giving berry the rock, he runs with a purpose and he finishes runs. I'd have laid however much money somebody wanted to bet that had berry gotten the ball 3 times, we would have scored a touchdwon.

Also, berry knows how to make people miss by knowing what direction to go in early. While i like us running a reverse, can we call it att he right time, that reverse to benjamin hasn't really worked all year, it got positive yards against g-tech on his speed alone. Anyway, that game is over, we played well enough to win or lose that game, we lost it this time, the defense has to go back to the drawing board.

I have to go back to on defense we have to began o dictate to the offense not the other way around. We sat back and got attacked all day, i can't recall ever seeign a game with that many delayed screens.

USAFCane

was the crowd as bad as it looked?

Caneslegend

Legend, bro, what do you mean overwhelmed? lol

Shannon was understandably pizzed that we didn't call aggressive plays to put the game away. How does that mean he wants to call the plays??

He feels like we could've and should've won the game. Period. It didn't happen so he's pizzed, especially because we had so many chances to put it away.

Bottom line though, is we're a young team who's best players are freshmen and sophomores. And we have a lot of injuries that have put a lot of pressure on the starters and upperclassmen.

I think our OL is really worn down after the first four games. They haven't played well since then to be honest, not even against FAMU.

But that's what we have. The coaching is fine they just need to get a little more confident and aggressive in their play calling, Lovett esp. But I'm sure he's a little conservative because he doesn't want to expose our DBs to too much pressure but you have to seize the moment, and 3rd down slant TDs are definitely not seizing the moment.

Posted by: Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer | October 25, 2009 at 01:41 PM


Listen. They way this Coaching staff uses timeouts is embarassing. Are you kidding me? Coaching had alot to do with why we lost yesterday. We had to stop Spiller? Did we 303 all purpose. Thats all we had to do was slow him down. Coaching staff failed to scheme on him. A safety or cornerback should have guarded him everytime he was in pass coverage. We should have never kicked to him. NEVER. Bad coaching. You know why UM use to be great because of coaching. Talent is good at Miami. Lacking in certain areas but good enought to win. I mean in the 80's butch davis use to be D-Line coach do you really see Clint Hurd as the next butch davis. I am not ragging on Clint but Coaching has been a major down fall for this program. If you guys can't see that. The university has gone cheap. Randy hasn't proven anything as a head coach yet. I am not saying he is bad but still hasn't proven he get the job done. If they don't win in next year does he suck or is it the young excuse I have heard forever. I guarantee we have a head coach like Urban, pete, or saban we would be top 5 team already after 3 years. Coaching is costing this team. From Development to play calling. Whipple is fine but do you think he will stay here no he will be back in the NFL. Wake up Canes fans. Coaching lost us the game yesterday.

solarcane

USAF

I'm thinking how much of that crowd noise you heard on TV was dubbed through the stadium speakers? looking at the pic above i'd say 75 %

peace

Hurriphin

Six, don't fret.

I'm sure I'll get mine's later, when that elite Phin secondary goes man up with the Saints and that weak passing attack of their's.

Swamp Donkey. You honestly can't say what a UM-UF matchup would be right now, considering that we can finally score points, and that their Off. is underperforming, against teams with no established gamebreakers. Does anyone honestly think Ark. Miss. St. or Tenn will finish with more than eight wins. UF has a great Def. and special teams as well, (ironically two liabilities that we have) but don't let your anger over take the fact that you win a football game by scoring just one more point than your opponent. Something that on any given day (wish it woulda' been yesterday) UM is capable of doing as of now.

I sincerely hope that you are around to share after the WF game, ock..........

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