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November 21, 2009

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solarcane

wha?

solarcane

angry you kill me brudda LMAO!

peace

86Cane

Solar...U had to be there! More photos to follow on Monday night.

CGNC

86 glad you had a good time. U are right the first 30 minutes were really really painful

JCane

Hey Solar:

Teams ahead of us to lose include LSU, Stanford and Wisconsin, with #11 Oregon behind unranked AZ by ten early in the 4th.

I have to say I saw a mix of good and bad, but was more unimpressed than impressed.

The bad: Can ST learn to stay in their lanes? This is basic. Not doing so gives up big returns, and Bosher really isn't supposed to get a tackle almost every game, although I give him a ton of credit. He has been the model of what you want at K/P, other than the P blocks (hard to blame him for) and the kickoff depth (had one that made it deep into the Duke end zone today though). The answer for stopping returns ultimately became long squib kicks today.

Jacory clearly looks hurt, although it looks like his decision making and OC's playcalling, mostly in the first half, left a lot to be desired. I have to remind myself the qb is only a true soph., has a hurt throwing hand, has nobody with seniority to learn from, etc., and I was embarassed to hear the crowd boo the guy, regardless of how much pass and catch he was trying to play with the Duke D. If Jacory truly is hurt and limited, why aren't there more adjustments made to compensate, let alone toward the weaknesses of the opponent (which is why I think BG is raising concerns)? Nobody ever left Shaq in when they knew the other team had to foul?!

The D: ugh. I give credit to Sharpton today though. He made some nice plays in the second half before the pick six. He stayed home on a few options and helped stop a few drives as a result. The Dukies early on kept hitting RBs with passes while they were covered by slower LBs...gotta adjust, although there's not much personnel left to adjust with. Fortunately they managed to hold up okay in the Red Zone, mostly giving up FGs, but they also gave up a few long passes and got the benefit of a missed FD. Chavez Grant got called on a PI that might as well have had him throw the flag personally. He's a sr....at least pretend to take a peek back somewhere along the way....

BTW, if Jacory truly is hurt, why risk leaving him in on the last drive with an 18 pt. lead, as even handing off repeatedly is dangerous with a messed up thumb???

The positives: Jacory stuck it out and had some nice plays/throws, although he definitely got the kind of help he was hoping for in past games with that Hankerson catch. Graham made some nice receptions, even when getting hit (pity he wasn't yet ready to do this vs. VT). Berry has become a beast. Every game he just bruises and accelerates. He's a perfect RB with this mediocre OL. The fans love him. The chants of "Ber-reee" got louder with each run that wore down the Duke D.

All facets of the game need to be improved upon to make sure the U comes out ahead of USF next week. They, like the U, seem to never know which team is going to show up each week. I don't like the fact that the U is definitely losing steam down the homestretch for another season though. It's almost like they heard so much about the opening four games that the players and coaching staff forgot about getting ready for the rest of the season.

All that said, it was nice to see them respond in the second half and especially the fourth, and a win is a win. They clearly outclassed Duke ultimately.

Posted by: JCane | November 21, 2009 at 11:09 PM

JCane

BTW, my daughter thought the highlight of the game was watching purple hippo on the screen dancing to the music and watching the cheeleaders do flips in the end zone. Kinda gives a different view of another flat game!

On the recruiting side, Glades Central destroyed C. Gibbons on Friday. Dent got a two point conversion in that game. In the Pahokee game, as we'd talked about earlier today with Pahokee getting a beatdown, Buxton actually got some minor time at QB with things so desperate. As Six had said earlier, Dunkley didn't play (I think due to the hammie that limited him the prior week). Interestingly, Christian Green got some time at QB, as well, but Tampa Catholic fared a lot better than Pahokee(end of an amazing several year run for them). I'm tired of reading about Dwyer's Elam destroying everybody every game, knowing he's going to be a 'turd.

Time for some sleep. Hope to possibly meet a few of you folks in Tampa next week.

Posted by: JCane | November 21, 2009 at 11:16 PM

Rock: The other thing was that the D got a bit of pressure on the qb, forcing some tough passes and throwaways. This was actually an improvement.

Posted by: JCane | November 21, 2009 at 11:17 PM

I had to copy and paste after typing just to be at the end of the last blog! Sorry for the length of the first one! BTW, nice article. I agree. The first half didn't happen!

86Cane

86,

If you're still on just wanted to thank you for the shirt. Got home happy with the 4th quarter win, and it was sitting in my mail pile To tell the truht it may actually have been there for a couple of days, but I've been out of town all week and had bushelfull of mail (most junk of course, excpet for this). I really appreciate it and my wife and I were just saying how great it looks in person, and high quality too. Thanks again so much, I really appreciat it.

Posted by: CanesCanesCanes | November 21, 2009 at 10:51 PM

No BIG deal my friend. It's what we do here...tell your friends about it!

solarcane

jcane good post I agree with everything you said.

soup looked like a helluva time!
great pics I love that stuff.

This team will have you sucking Pepto one minute and champagne the next.


peace

86Cane

Solar...wait until tomorrow night. The photos just get better and BETTER!

solarcane

CaptO

Georgia managed to lose to Kentucky.
When GT beats them into the turf next week you are gonna hear a lot of grumbling about Richt and his staff

peace

solarcane

soup, sounds great
I think you should do a Canespace photo essay as an article after the season, it's cool seeing what the folks you spend hlf your day blogging with look like.


peace

SJMPARMAN

I am hoping we get the Meineke bowl for selfish reasons so I can attand the game. Would prefer the Gator bowl for the credit the team deserves.

pb(CSROH10)

This team will have you sucking Pepto one minute and champagne the next.


peace

Posted by: solarcane | November 21, 2009 at 11:29 PM


Don't think there has been a Top 25 team that hasnt done the same.


I only wish we had an entire officiating crew in our pocket for half a season, just to help out the cause.

Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer

Solar, GTFOH!!!! UGA lost to UK?????? hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

How in the hell does Richt still have a job? He's been there HOW LONG?? 10 years or so. lol

All these fools complaining about Shannon PUHLEEZE tell me what is Richt's excuse/cause??

I'm just glad we're limping to the finish so the last of the Cokerites can get the hell outta dodge and we can start building champions. I'd almost rather have B. Jones and B. Wash out there getting reps than continue watching these guys get beat.

It affects Jacory and Whipple, though neither would admit it. Remember that incredible pass Jacory threw to TB against FSU on that last drive?? Wasn't it about his 3rd option?? Now, six games and 20 sacks and 40+ hits and pressures later, is it any wonder he's not taking the time to go to his 2nd and 3rd reads??

And Whipple has no confidence in them any more either. Cane anyone blame him??

404Canes404

Going into the '08 season Georgia had come off of a BCS game against Hawaii that they completely dominated. They tried to argue that they should of had a shot to play for the whole thing. They had 1st round draft picks on offense and a DC that many Cane fans wanted as our HC... They were ranked #1 in preseason polls...

I moved up to Atlanta that summer and have witnessed the entire thing fall apart, lately listening to Georgia fans calling for that same DC's head and even questioning Richt as the HC...

That same summer the Canes were coming off of a 5-7 season under Randy's first year.

It's funny how quickly things can turn, trust me!

Go Canes!

Posted by: 404Canes404 | November 21, 2009 at 10:56 PM

and Georgia gets beat by Kentucky in Athens for the first time since 1977... Again, things change really quickly. Look who has 8 wins with 1 more regular season game to play?!?!?

CGNC

From Manny's blog:

Manny Navarro: Damien Berry is so tough he actually played his senior year at Glades Central with a torn ACL and still led his team to the Class 3A state title. He ran for over 1,000 yards.

Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer

JCane, if Shannon does not fire Joe Pannunzio this year I will honestly have my first DOUBT about his executive ability as a HC. NIX did better than Pannunzio.

I think Fluzzi simply does not know how to focus, teach or discipline his players. And the worst part is he MAKES EXCUSES.

Disgusting. Bring back Sol.

86Cane

Two new photos are up!

Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer

and Georgia gets beat by Kentucky in Athens for the first time since 1977... Again, things change really quickly. Look who has 8 wins with 1 more regular season game to play?!?!?

Posted by: 404Canes404 | November 21, 2009 at 11:40 PM

>>>>>

And we're doing it with nowhere near the upperclass talent UGA had. That's why, to me, these coaches are doing a good job.

From Lovett, I'd like to see more blitzes on 1st down.

From Whipple this year, hopefully we'll see more Berry, early and often.

Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer

Soup, that crowd looks about right for Duke. haha

pb(CSROH10)


86 for the record I dont think you should ban Caneslegend. The kid is a total douche, but he isn't offensive to anyone.

Don't think being clueless should get you kicked off.

solarcane

soupbone,

After an impressive back, to back, to back 3 in a row first posts and a seemingly unreachable number of previous 1st posts (not even including the dozens you have felt obligated to delete and screw me out of, lol!)

I am going to retire from the lightning round for the betterment of the sport.

Like Jim Brown,Rocky Marciano, and Oprah I'm stepping down whie I'm still on top.

peace

SJMPARMAN

JCane, if Shannon does not fire Joe Pannunzio this year I will honestly have my first DOUBT about his executive ability as a HC. NIX did better than Pannunzio.

I agree with this one. He may be a nice guy, may have a family to support and all but he is a weak link on a staff that is pretty good.

Now, maybe someone knows why this post is wrong, and if so, say it. But on its face, it is hard to justify him being on the staff.

solarcane

I agree with pb on the caneslegend thing.
He got on nerves but he wasn't abusive.

pb,
I really love watching these kids play, I can deal with the warts and farts , as long as they keep giving it everything. every play.
Like CaptO has stated, the very last of the stain on the U is bout to be purged and we will see exactly what we have.

peace

Sarasota 'cane

Your right I will change my tune from now on...I am just hard on this team because i grew up during the glory days...and i see the team like this...my uncle played at the U....So it is just hard to watch...but everyone's point is true...i will show some optimisim

Posted by: Caneslegend | November 21, 2009 at 11:04 PM

Tell us more "Legend"!

"Hey guy's, I know I've been on here for months with NOTHING good to say about UM, did I forget to tell you that my uncle played for the team?"

"Ever here of Bernie Kosar? You have? That's my cousin...er...my uncle!"

"I'm so "Old School" and "Hardcore" that it's impossible for me to be positive about UM's recent accomplishments."

Sarasota 'cane

Let him stay 86! Manny's had enough of him and Shandel can't be far behind. The "Legend" will have no where else to go if U ban him!

Go 'canes!

pb(CSROH10)

Oprah I'm stepping down whie I'm still on top.

peace

Posted by: solarcane | November 21, 2009 at 11:55


You should never use on top and Oprah in the same sentence.

Made me throw up into my mouth a little.

SJMPARMAN

I also don't think you should ban Caneslegend. Believe me, I said worse watching the game with my wife. She has said to me coutless times to just pipe down and believe in the team. And she relishes, after the game, telling me how right she was 8 of 11 times, lol. We all get frustrated because we have seen excellence, and this isn't it. It is especially frustrating this year because we have excellence at the WR position, RB position, at one DE postion, one DT position, one Corner position and at one safety position. We are really close. But we are not there.

When Randy purged most of the Coker players, we lost any sembelance of senior leadership for 2 years. This is our last year to suck that up. I can't thank Sharpton, Hankerson, Fox, Phillips, Pipho, James, Grant and the others enough for sticking around. Yes, some of them haven't played like "national championship players" but without them this team does not win 8 games to this point.

I am very proud of these guys. They played like a team all year long, win or lose, and they gave it their all. Please don't respect their contributions with negative stuff on senior day. Or what was senior day.

solarcane

pb I apologize that was a poor example to be sure.

Sling Blade, 348 yds passing today,not too shabby for a guy with a gimp hand.

I'm out
peace

SJMPARMAN

BTW did any one else throw up reliving Brent Musbergers recollection of the Flutie Hail Mary today? It still pains me to this day. And yes, I called for Jimmy Johnson's head that day. After the Maryland loss, that one was too much to take. I am glad 25 years have passed or I might be bitter, lmao.

pb(CSROH10)


The last thing I ever want to picture is my boy Solar riding something people tie ropes to Thanksgiving morning.

Nashvillecane

SJMPARMAN | November 22, 2009 at 12:18 AM


Yeah I'm wit u on those guys...and u can add shields to that list...dude was in trouble for three yrs...passed up by underclassmen...then asked to switch positions and gave all that he had...major props to u Sam

SJMPARMAN

Yeah Shields was great this year. So many dissed him but he was really great. Teams threw away from Brandon Harris early, and Shields always was in position. I would not be surprised if NFL teams see him as a Bruce Johnson guy only better. With his speed he might slip into the top 2 rds.

Esteban

Shields in the top two rounds?

And caneslegend is negative but not a jerk. No point in banning him.

And 8-3...the team don't suck. They aren't the 2001 team. The 2001 team wasn't the norm. Especially not the norm in the last 10 years. If we win out will it be our best record since 2002? I think so. Please turn off the selective memory people.

Sarasota 'cane

Brent Musberger is a complete idiot. During one of our games this year they showed a shot of the old range Bowl site and he said that the construction going on there was for a new freeway! He saw two concrete columns and just assumed they were for a bridge, not the Marlin's new park.

Then he remembered all the "great" players to come through the OB and only mentioned Flutie and Namath! What a joke!

Go 'canes!

SJMPARMAN

You run a 4.2 Esteban? Believe me, that is what NFL scouts care about.

pb(CSROH10)

Please turn off the selective memory people.

Posted by: Esteban | November 22, 2009 at 01:03 AM


Problem is Este, a lot of the people posting the crap on here werent around to see anything before the 2001 team.

pb(CSROH10)

Posted by: SJMPARMAN | November 22, 2009 at 01:10 AM

IMO Sam wont even be drafted.

Daytoncane

next year when we have more bodies and another year in the system, i hope Lovett incorporates some zone looks in our coverages. you can't just play man to man and expect to be a great defense.

spread offenses are too complex these days for strictly man coverage. couple that with all these mobile QBs and your d can get ate up real fast.

next year we'll really see if McGriff is for real or not. the same staff will be together two consecutive years so there will be no excuses if our defense doesn't improve dramatically.

Esteban

Okay 2003 was last 10 plus win year. Only 4 of those since Dennis Erickson left. 1995 to present...4 seasons of at least 10 wins. This team still got a chance to do that and people bytchin.

And Six, as talented as USF's DEs are they don't have many sacks. Was surprised when I saw that they both only had like 3 a couple weeks back. Pierre Louis must have gotten all his sacks against FSU. Still, I'm not exactly lookin forward to Pipho lining up across from him.

SJMPARMAN

You will be surprised. The NFL is about combines, not your play over four years. If you run fast, some team will find you. Because that is Pro Ball. There is a limited amount of space in the NFL. If you have a guy who can close the space, by his speed, he has a value. If you look at his body of work during this season, you have to be impressed about what he offers you.

Esteban

I think Shields will get drafted. Don't think he'll run a 4.2 (4.3 maybe) and know he won't be a top 60 pick. He's a project at CB. His special teams play and his speed will get him drafted. Just won't be high.

SJMPARMAN

btw pb, i was sitting in Canes game since 1979, actually before that, and I have seen it all. I could tell you about losses to ND before it was a rivalry, or to Fla or whatever. We used to go the Cane's game in hoping they wouldn't embarass themselves. Or at least not in front of the kids.

These players don't know what that means. That might be a good thing.

pb(CSROH10)

Posted by: SJMPARMAN | November 22, 2009 at 01:19 AM


Right now the Dolphins have less than 5 players any NFL team would trade a second round draft pick for.

Do you really think Sam Shields is worth a pick that high?

Esteban

Shields got picked on in each game. He fought threw it but didn't get picks or deflections. He got beat. Speed will get him drafted but unless Al Davis falls in love with his speed he ain't a first day pick. Too raw and doesn't do anything great.

pb(CSROH10)

Posted by: SJMPARMAN | November 22, 2009 at 01:25 AM

Definitely wasn't talking about you buddy!

There are some who were in junior high or higschool in 2001 who thinks that team is reality.

Rashad

Possible Gator Bowl Miami vs Nebraska????

pb(CSROH10)

Nebraska is a damn good defensive team. Their DT would make our lives miserable.

Esteban

Gator Bowl vs anyone would be cool with me.

Esteban

pb, I'd enjoy seeing our guards against Suh.

Rashad

yea Nebraska is a good Defensive team. They shoulda beat VT. Id love to go there and hang with the Canespace fam, already requested the 29th of Dec off (Champs Sports Bowl) and New Years Day. (Gator Bowl)

Esteban

Dayton I'd like to see more variety when it comes to coverages, too. With Ojomo and Fortson back that should give a boost to the pass rush. Need that pass rush on point or don't make too much of a difference what type of coverages we run next year.

Rashad

Kinda sad that all those upper deck seats were $19 and the best the Canes could pull in is 38,000. I know if I didnt have to work I woulda been down there.

Daytoncane

Shields ain't gettin drafted on the first day, if at all. fast corners who get picked higher than they should were either/usually:

a. an already good cover corner who ran a very fast time at the combine, or

b. added value as a punt or kick returner

jerseycane

Hey I've never posted here but I agree today was a really nice game to be at. The first half was frustrating but lots of fun in the 2nd. I feel like there has been so much negativity surrounding the teamm, but being at the game with real fans enjoying a nice win and surprising season felt good. If we finish with 10 wins not only would it be a remarkable achievement for this season but sets us up very nicely as a favorite going into 2010.

Sarasota 'cane

Kinda sad that all those upper deck seats were $19 and the best the Canes could pull in is 38,000. I know if I didnt have to work I woulda been down there.

Posted by: Rashad | November 22, 2009 at 01:56 AM

Why is it sad if it's always been like that? If the game had been played at the OB there might have been less people there. When the game started I bet there were only 20k there, the other "half" rolled in around the end of the 1st from their tailgate parties!

Who cares? A South Florida football game ticket is one of the easiest in the country to get, and that includes the Dolphin's.

The Gator's pack "The Dump" with 90k every week and how does the school show there appreciation? By charging them $30.00 to sit at home and watch the FIU game on ppv.

It's just the way that it has always been.

Go 'canes!

orange 'n green in the vein

No need to ban the legend's of the blog world out there 86, being impatient shouldn't get you shut out IMO. I'd love for all those so called "Hurricane fans," who claim they don't support The Randy 100% to realize that they aren't "fans," then, they don't support the team if they don't support the coaching staff that recruits and develops that team. Go find a coach and by extension a football program you can support 100% and STFU about Miami so I can enjoy the development of the next great UM championship winning team in peace again. If you're upset that we didn't blow out Duke in any quarter except the 4th, YOU'RE MISSING THE POINT. Ask solar when was the last time we held four fingers up and it meant anything. Plus to get scored on first, be down entering the 4th and to win by that margin means that . . . the light bulb might have finally clicked over about finishing games properly which is one of the whole points of this season for this program at this point in the rebuilding job. Now, time to go win the State Championship for 2009 in Tampa next week.

RBLCane

Canes won today but the first half was NOT impressive. I personally wasn't surprised--Duke's D is underrated: they have a good D-coordinator and they've shown they can hang with good teams for the first half. But I knew the Canes would come through.

That being said, at halftime, on Manny's blog at least, Canes fans and even Manny himself were quick to jump on the "this-program-is-going-down-the-toilet" bandwagon. I can't say that I was shocked but I was disappointed to say the least since 1) THE GAME WAS NOT OVER; 2) WE WERE ONLY DOWN BY 3, AND 3) WE'VE CLEARLY IMPROVED THIS YEAR WHEN COMPARED TO LAST, WHICH IS ALL WE CAN ASK FOR.

I understand the program is not where it was in 2000-2002, but we're getting there ONE GAME AT A TIME AND ONE RECRUIT AT A TIME. AN NC is NOT going to happen overnight--it never does and never has, at least not in Miami's storied history.

I can't wait until the Canes win an NC under Randy. IT WILL HAPPEN. That will be a joyous day for Canes fans all over but especially for the die-hard Randy supporters and for Randy himself. I'm NOT saying we shouldn't criticize him or the team, but we should at least be more reasonable with our expectations.

Look around and you'll see that things could be much worse. We could be a Michigan, a Notre Dame or Florida State. NO ONE is saying those programs are "on the rise" (maybe FSU to some extent) but ours clearly is. That is something to be thankful for.

Like I've said before, 2009 = 1999, which means we're only 1-2 seasons away from winning an NC and once againg parading in Downtown Miami! I predict Miami vs. LSU in the BCS NC game in 2011.

GO CANES!!!

(end rant).

Montreal-Cane

Can we play USC in the Gator Bowl???

CaneSawMassacre

hola everybody from Italia.. Saw a rugby match. Italy vs. South Africa in Udine, Italy. Pretty cool, it was only a test match and the stadium was packed,

But that is a big difference, since America has watered down the sports for all of us by having so many and so many teams.......

I know this isn't relevant to UM but just saying.

USAFCane

South Africa are world champions. Italy are not very good at rugby. Once you understand the science of the sport you appeciate it. I like rugby union alot. It a brutal sport. I just got through watching England v New Zealand. New Zealand won.

CaneRock

Daytona, I agree with you about Shields being a project at CB on the next level, but I think His gung-ho mentality on STs, coupled with his great speed and willingness to lay somebody out will translate to the next level. Hell, I can see SS probably making the Pro Bowl His rookie season just based on STs...

86Cane

86 for the record I dont think you should ban Caneslegend. The kid is a total douche, but he isn't offensive to anyone.

Don't think being clueless should get you kicked off.

Posted by: pb(CSROH10) | November 21, 2009 at 11:51 PM

I never said I was gona ban him. I just said his negativity was getting "old". I have even met Caneslegend before at the OU game.

He hangs with Rashad another Canespace blogger. Rashad has a Canespace shirt he got from me at the Under Armour All-Star game in Orlando. They are both cool with me.

canezilla

i think we had more fans at the famu game.i want berry 1st string cooper 2nd and jj 3rd.berry hits the holes with out dancing for three yards

404Canes404

Coaches this and Duke that.... It's great to wake up on Sunday with a "W"!!!!


Go Canes!


See U in Tampa! Hope my seat is in the pirate ship!

86Cane

Kinda sad that all those upper deck seats were $19 and the best the Canes could pull in is 38,000. I know if I didnt have to work I woulda been down there.

Posted by: Rashad | November 22, 2009 at 01:56 AM

If U believe there was 38,000 people there then U believe in Santa Clause.

More like 25,000. Maybe.

canezilla

soup can you talk to your people about the 25$ parking.seems like thats why alot of people dont want to go to the games...im thinking the parking prices have nothing to do with the school.maybe its a private company..15$ would be nice

86Cane

Zilla...I'll talk to them but like U said I don't think UM has ANY control over the parking prices at The Shark.

I agree, when U pay more to park ($25) than for a game ticket ($19) something is VERY wrong.

U may want to re-read the blog; new details and info added.

86Cane

FROM MANNY NAVARRO AT THE MIAMI HERALD:

Manny Navarro: Miami's bowl hopes probably hinge more on what Notre Dame does. If ND wins out, UM could see them in the Gator Bowl. Otherwise, the Champs Sports Bowl would love to take the Canes. They'd face a Big Ten team. Likely Northwestern or Michigan State.

UMike

LETS GO ND!!!

supercane

Notre Dame is not going to go the gator bowl, I believe that canes are going to end up playing in the gator bowl and will face Nebraska

Canez1

Who said anything about negativity??

If someone wants to be negative good for them.

There is plenty of room for negativity.

It's your right to do what you want and think the way you want.

That has nothing to do with anything. Not sure why that was brought up.

It is about how you conduct yourself on here.

Speak your mind but don't be a total douche everytime you post.

GATORBOWL!!!!!! Macjones will flip the F out if he heres you talk about UM in the Gatorbowl. LMAO!!

Heads up!

GO CANEZ!!!!!

Canez1

One more thing.

Cane we PLEASE stop with the crowd nonsense.

How many times do we have to hear about lack of crowds at home games.

Did you just crawl out from under a rock??

It is the way and always has been.

Please write that down somewhere and keep it in a special place so you can review it everytime the urge creeps up to complain about it.

LET IT GO!!LOL

GO CANEZ!!!!!

Canez1

86 I think I had your prediction beat LOL


anyway I am looking for a big day from the boyz.

Canez 34
Dookies 13

GO CANEZ!!!!!

Posted by: Canez1 | November 21, 2009 at 09:50 AM

NICE!!!

GO CANEZ!!!!!

Sarasota 'cane

When you say there was not 38k at the game, are you suggesting that someone walked up with a ticket, had it scanned, and then left? I'm pretty sure the "announced" figures are pulled from the scanned ticket data.

The crowd almost doubled in size from the beginning of the 1st quarter to the start of the 2nd quarter. The same thing happened at the VA game.

I'm not sure what the big deal is relative to UM's history. Can anyone say Temple? Rutgers? I was at a WV game at the OB around 12 years ago and there were MAYBE 45-50k, and it was at night!

UM will rise again, and our crowds (or lack thereof) will not be a factor, posiive or negative.

Go 'canes!

Calvin

Alot of people are frustrated because we are not dominating the teams we think should be dominating. It's also a little frustrating when it's trying to be decided if it's the players or the coaches. Now, their is no doubt that fluzzi panuzzi is not a special teams coach, that title needs to be stripped from him as soon as possible. If nothing else, having a strong special teams will win you close games and definitely not help you lose them. It'll force the other team to drive the football, our special teams has been an adventure since fluzzi has gotten the job.

Now on to coach stoutland, he's another guy that from a mental standpoint, he came out with excuses in my mind when he made the statemnt "If you look at the last 5 national champions, their o-lines had over 100 starts", that was before the gators won it last year and blew that theory out the window. Or if he goes back and look at our championship teams. Since he hasn't won a national chamionship, he has no idea what can actually happen if you coach players all the time like they are national champions. We got more players on this team who've won a championship at some level than the majority of the coaches on the staff. Now we can say that the coaches have not been rotating o-linemen because of not having qb depth, and the fact that it's safe to safe we have played the most toughest d-lines(oklahoma, v-tech, g-tech, clemson, ucf, unc, incoming/outcoming...usf) in the nation all year long, and the fact that alot of games we hanging in the balance, seems like the coaches either were not going to risk puttign a player in or just didn't do a good job of rotating them in.

I tell you what though, i got complete faith in a healthy ben jones, i saw him do something i never saw fox do, in that Famu game where damien berry broke and almost took it the distance, berry was in a foot race not with Famu, but with ben jones. At the same time, not playing the young guys this year on the o-line will allow for more redshirts, which will allow more physical advancement and long term depth. Either way, come next year, we'll have a more athletic o-line, will we be better, at times more often than now, at least running the ball we will, stamina wise is where we'll have to becareful. From here on out, the stoutland report will be in full afect.

On to fred, yeah, fred mcgriff, is it the talent or the coaching, when you got 1 player in brandon harris up for an award after 1 year, that bodes well for mcgriff, now since he's been here, he's only had dvd, brandon harris, bruce(doing things in the nfl)johnson. Than we got jared campbell and jojo nicolas his 1st year in. He had ryan hill to work with 1 year, damien berry is now at runningback, out of all the db's recruited last year, only brandon harris and vaughn telemaque are playing in the secondary.

He got a converted wr at db in sam shields and now he's hurt. than we got ray ray armstrong and brandon mcgee along with jamal reid last recruiting class, right now ray ray is standing out, brandon mcgee has work to do but he has all the physical tools and mental tools to turn the corner just like brandon harris did. So after analyzing all that just now, coach mcgriff gets a break, come next year though, we should definitely see stronger secondary play.

Also, stoutlnad will get a break as well, because we only recruited about 5 o-linman sicne he's been here before this year, he got franklin, gunn and tyler horn in 2007, ben jones, jermaine johnson and washington last year, bunche will make it in come janusray, so this is the 1st year where he'll get an influx of o-lineman and have something were waiting in the wings.

So the real stoutland report begans on him this year as well. I'm not going to judge them from an experience standpoint, but from a technique and productivity standpoint, we'll be able to see that.

On to coach hurt, i've seen our d-lines enough to know that coach hurtt does a decent job with the d-line, but we're not going to be over the top type defensive line unit unless coach hurtt continues to get better as a coach. Alot of that has to do with his in game coaching as well, our d-linemen all do the same thing at the same time, nobody is mixing it up, coCane pointed it out how our guys on the d-line get locked up to much and that's a big NO NO in defensive line play, when we had greg mark, our d-lineswere solid and borderline dominant sometimes, when we had palmero, you couldn't run on us, but our pass rush was weak, at the same time, a qb would get pressure from the d-line eventually.

Under hurtt alone, this next year will if he's the sole d-line coach, will be either his time to shine or his time to get exposed as a d-line coach, to much talent to coach on the d-line now these days. forston, regis, lewis, luther robinson, porter, allen bailey, ends, vernon, ojomo marcus robinson, dyron dye, andrew smith.

In fact every coach will have talent upgrades come next year, the linebacker talent will be upgraded, as well, so the real coaching or non-coaching will be seen.

The reason i bring all of this up is because, jacory said after the players heard the duke guys basically singing and felign good like they had this game won, that ignited a fire in them. So basically what, if and when the fire is lit damyum near every game, and cav has been re-iterating this point, than we'll see a whole different level of play from the whole team.

Defensively, john lovett is who he is, nothing exotic, a base defensive vanilla type defensive coach from the shannon tree(if he actually had a tree lovett would have come off of it) That's a good and bad thing, to run that defense, the talent level must be good and have very aware and instinctive defenders on the field, other wise, it gets exposed.

Make no mistake about it, this team is on the rise, how high will they rise, is the only question. People think shannon is stubborn, butch davis is worse, the difference i see between butch and shannon, butch will take a year or 2 to just work on certain aspects of a team under him, he may just run the ball all year long to just work on his o-line, and than he's going to get a good defensive line to stop the run.

He's going to have real good linebacker player and his secondary will play ball hawking defense. So he's going to make sue he consistently gets those things along with a real solid special teams.

Under shannon right now, feeling his way, him being a young coach, seems he tends to key in on certain aspects of a team game by game, and feels that working on it in practice will fix it where as butch will work on it in practice and than work on it during the whole year, shannon wants to win right now, so he's taking more of the high risk high reward approach, we'll see who does better come next year.

I think defenisvely, unc is alot further ahead of us. Offensively we're alot better than them. We get better defensive play, unc will be toast come next year, unc got 4 interceptions yesterday against bc, and the main thing is, butch davis said alot of these guys on defense were offensive players in highschool so as soon as they get the ball they turn to offensive players quickly. Hmmm, sounds familiar i.e. SEAN TAYLOR/ ed reed, might be a good time to switch davon johnson.

At the sound of the beep, turn the page!

Calvin

Looking over the acc though, right now, us, v-tech, unc and clemson all have 3 losses, with g-tech only getting beat by us. congratulations to clemson, for making it to the acc title game, should be a good game between clemson and g-tech a rematch i'm sure clemson really wanted, i don't see g-tech beating clemson, their d-line shut down that option offense. Nobody ahs done it better than us though.

It's clear though, we come out and play with intensity all game long, nobody is going to beat us, it took basically 2 close games/losses to beat us, and we were on our way back to making v-tech earn it. We eliminate the offense and special teams giving oppossing teams points, AND you're not going to beat us next year, period.

tortugacane

Better second half against Duke. Go Canes -Beat USF! BTW: Nice pics 86.

86Cane

All I know is that I was there. It was fun. The Canes won. That's what I know.

I'm not good at counting crowds, I was just sayin'...

86Cane

'Sota...did U park in E22? I looked for U but couldn't find U?

Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer

Este, good point about the ten win figure. Butch did it how man times?? One I believe.

Solar, that's great company you're keeping. haha Marciano and Brown are probably the only two, along with Barry Sanders (who should've stayed in), modern American athletes who've had enough sense to move on while they're at the peak.

So blind squirrels are smart too, huh?

Sarasota 'cane

'Sota...did U park in E22? I looked for U but couldn't find U?

Posted by: 86Cane | November 22, 2009 at 10:08 AM

I didn't make the trip this week. My Dad wasn't feeling good so I stayed home and watched the game with him. My family has 29 tickets for the USF game though so I might see you guys in Tampa next week.

We are all arriving from the North, South, and East after Thanksgiving, so we will be meeting at the Westshore Mall I think around 1pm. We're gonna have lunch and then drive over to the game.

Did you see Ben & Co.? Talk to you later!

Go 'canes!

SuperCooper

I'll say it before, and I'll say it again, Whipple's playing calling has to change. You have a hurt QB, and what do you do? Throw the ball 28 times in the first half. The other team can't stop the run and you go away from it. Your best RB, which clearly is Berry, only gets one touch in the first half.

And what do you know, when we got away from the jump ball offense, and pounded it down their throats, our offense did a lot better. Jacory started to get in a ryhtem when we actually made an effort to run the ball with Berry.

Whipple should be held accountable just like any other coach. Just because he is better then Nix it doesn't mean he is above criticism.

There is absolutely no reason for Berry not to be the first string RB. There is no reason why Cooper, who dances around back there like he is on Dancing with the stars, should be getting more touches in the first half then him. There is no reason why JJ should be ahead of him. The crowd was chanting it. We all see it. Berry is our best RB. It is Whipple's responsibility to use him more then he has.

Saying that, a win is a win. 8-3, I'll take it.

Rashad

No I mean, with the tickets being sliced in half, I was hoping that more people would show up on Senior Day. And yea 86, I knew it wasnt 38,000 out there, honestly there looked like more Canes fans at the UCF game then at the Duke game yesterday. Anyways Im happy with the win and hope that the Canes match the intensity that USF will bring from the start, because they've been waiting on this game all year. All the Canes gotta do is jump on them early, and watch USF quit like they did against Rutgers. Go Canes!!

jerseycane

I'll say it before, and I'll say it again, Whipple's playing calling has to change. You have a hurt QB, and what do you do? Throw the ball 28 times in the first half. The other team can't stop the run and you go away from it. Your best RB, which clearly is Berry, only gets one touch in the first half.
Posted by: SuperCooper

Good points, I still think there is some learning process with Whipple. Even though he came from the NFL he never called plays above the D2 level, where stuff like passing every down could work. Once we establish the run everything becomes easier.

Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer

Cal, good coaching summary, although I think Hurtt has had less to work with than those other guys and he's the only one who's had to try to turn true frosh into game-day ballers.

I always laugh when you mention that Stoutland quote b/c I thought the same thing when I read it.."Mofo, who gives a fuk about what other NC teams had or didn't have." haha

If, when Hank leaves that should open the door for Davon and Streeter and with all 20 CBs coming in next year we won't need another DB. haha Speaking of Streeter, hopefully he'll get a TD next week to complete the roster.

Bottom line though, is Hurtt's going to make everyone's job easier and make them all look better when these bosses he has coming in become sophomores and juniors.

McGriff will finally have some kids who can read and react, unlike DVD who's standing flat-footed on a island during a blitz and not reading the QB for that ball he could've pic-sixed but instead got beat for a TD (UNC). McGee will be able to do that once he's more confident, ditto BH and maybe even Jamal Reid if he has the speed to play CB.

Is that all the CBs we have?? Dam. Talk about the cupboards being bare.

Now LB should be interesting. #11's had a year, basically his RS year, to watch and learn, so we'll see how much he's learned. We've only had ONE cakewalk game all year long. So he's had little to NO time to experiment and make mistakes.

Wouldn't it be nice to have TN-CH and FIU this time of year, like Bama and UF?

Then you got Spence, Futch, C-Mac, who could make a move next year and become a Boss and not just a reliable tackler, Buchanon, who's had a lot of good experience, and maybe Green, who I think should be a DE but we don't need him there.

So we'll be thin again but if Brown turns the corner, we'll be solid at least and have a little depth if Green can contribute somewhere.

OL, OL, OL....Horn, B. Wash, B. Jones, Bunche and Johnson will officially be the keys to next season...and relieving Fluzzi of his ST title. All those CBs and LBs coming in should help STs too.

Overall, though, I want to see these sophomores, like Byrd and Regis, with tons of talent turn in to Bosses. I don't ever want to see them just going through the motions like Cokerites did, except on special occasions.

Every occasion is a special occasion. Every down is an opportunity to "impose my will on the man in front me," to quote the Playmaker.

I know this is what Team Shannon are teaching them but next year is the time to bring it every down


solarcane

I want to tell you guys that last 12 hours have been some of the best blogging I've read on here in awhile.
Wonderful perspective about whats up, and down with these guys.

One of the things that I had been thinking about this season, was with all the shyt we toss on Randy, what is the ONE most positive thing we saw him fix this year.

Id say it's the no quit attitude.

That took changing 85 players, a coaching staff, and a student body's mind about this team's heart.

pb is right about the folks that became fans more during the winning years.
It gets you spoiled, you don't realize what it took to get an NC.

Now everyone here has seen Randy take the 88th best team in the country his first year all the way into the top 10 and finish in the top 15 by the end of his 3ed year.

Really what more could you expect? thats 73 places better in 36 games.


peace

Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer

Jersey, that's a good point about Whipple, and we all know Reid thinks pass-first then run, even though his teams played best when he ran more because McNabb was hurt.

However, I think we're all forgetting that Whipple called that drive where Berry basically drilled Duke into the ground on six or so consecutive runs.

Now, Shannon said it was because Duke's defense was worn down but I don't buy it. We didn't run enough to wear them down. I think Berry just knows how to find the hole better than JJ and Coop. I think RS was trying to cover for Whipple, JJ and Coop.

SuperCooper

Jersey, that's a good point about Whipple, and we all know Reid thinks pass-first then run, even though his teams played best when he ran more because McNabb was hurt.

However, I think we're all forgetting that Whipple called that drive where Berry basically drilled Duke into the ground on six or so consecutive runs.

Now, Shannon said it was because Duke's defense was worn down but I don't buy it. We didn't run enough to wear them down. I think Berry just knows how to find the hole better than JJ and Coop. I think RS was trying to cover for Whipple, JJ and Coop.

Posted by: Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer | November 22, 2009 at 11:02 AM

Agreed.

Someone mentioned this on another site, his playcalling is basically Andy Reid part 2. Always looking for the big play with the passing game, even if you have a good RB. At some point, you have to tone it down.

Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer

Your right I will change my tune from now on...I am just hard on this team because i grew up during the glory days...and i see the team like this...my uncle played at the U....So it is just hard to watch...but everyone's point is true...i will show some optimisim

Posted by: Caneslegend | November 21, 2009 at 11:04 PM

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Legend, yeah, and I'm not suggesting we don't criticize, like the way I haven't said much in the last two weeks without the word Boss in it and dissing the OL and upperclassmen in the same breath, lol, but we're looking forward and it's a very bright place.

SuperCooper

And I really don't think you can judge how good Stoutland really is until next year, when HIS guys are in. Watching Washington and Gunn in there, you could tell a difference from a guy like Pipho (a Cokerite). We may lose three guys on the OL, but I have high hopes for Johnson/Gunn/Washington/Jones/Bunche. By midseason, I really think our OL will be excellent.

SuperCooper

Getting off of the football game for a second, big test tonight for the basketball team against USCe. It's basically a home game for them. Hopefully we can pull it out.

86Cane

We are all arriving from the North, South, and East after Thanksgiving, so we will be meeting at the Westshore Mall I think around 1pm. We're gonna have lunch and then drive over to the game.

Did you see Ben & Co.? Talk to you later!

Go 'canes!

Posted by: Sarasota 'cane | November 22, 2009 at 10:21 AM

Didn't find Ben, but we went for our usual stroll around the stadium after a quick tailgate with Canezilla.

We are meeting at Leroy Selmon's at noon before the USF game and then going to try to follow each other over to the stadium at 1 PM. Selmon's is only 5 minutes away from The Ship.

Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer

Super, yeah, I'll never understand why Westbrook isn't a 1,500 runner and 1,000 receiver, something like Faulk. And the funniest thing is that Reid has NEVER had serious WRs, except that one year with TO and whenever that Cal kid arrived, not even a TE. So what's with all the passing if you don't have the goods to really execute it? No Jerry Rice to make every QB look great.

On OL, I'm totally with you. We won't miss this year's version next year.

Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer

Super, is USC any good this year?

SuperCooper

Cav, they're projected to finish third in the SEC, and have a guy who was first team ALL SEC last year.

CaneRock

Coop, I agree with you to a certain extent on Pipho, but not because He was a "Cokerite". A guy like Pipho was more a victim of genetics, moreso than being a "Cokerite". If you look at Pipho, the guy has a lousy base to be playing RT, much less any type of Tackle. It's like I alluded to in a post a while ago, I think Washington would've been a better RT than Pipho, because BW has a solid base, and IMO, and more importantly...better feet and hands.

86Cane

For those of U thinking that Franklin can easily move to LT next year, think again.

His footwork and balance are NOT good, and that is being VERY kind.

Rashad

So with the Champs Sports Bowl being a matchup against a Big 10 team, maybe a Wisconsin or a Northwestern. And the Gator Bowl being Big 12 now that the Irish have fallen off the map could either be Nebraska or Cincy if thye lose to Pitt. Not sure if they would get a At Large Bid. Please dont send the Canes to the Music City or Minekie Car Bowl!!!! haha

windy1

The Canes should win next week although it would be tough.

The Canes are more experienced than USF and they have more talent. The Canes need a win and go to 9-3 to create some momentum and buzz going into the bowl game, national signing day, spring football and a BCS run next season. A loss against USF will be a huge disappointment and set-back, there is no other way of looking at it.

The Canes are talented this year, but I would like to see more consistency with the players and coaching staff. To the coaches credit, they did make some adjustments at halftime, but the coaches and players must be more prepared for each play, each half and each game.

In order for the Canes to make a NC run next year, several underclassmen need to develop into studs at several positions going into the spring and next year. No more excuses next year for the kind of mistake-prone losses they had this year.

The Canes need a positive turnover ratio, and they need minimize mistakes and have everyone to carry out their assignments.

With another season under the same coordinators, these Canes should be able to take that next step, going from a 10-win season this year to a national championship run next year, and how they finish these last two games will be the compass that points us in the direction that the Canes are headed.

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