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November 03, 2009

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JSQ

http://www2.journalnow.com/content/2009/nov/04/deacs-have-no-margin-for-error/sports-college-football/

Re: Wake/GT game

Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer

To the "Shannon doesn't communicate" and "Shannon's not flexible" crowd....

>>>>>>


WORKING TOGETHER... Despite the mistakes in coverage and mental breakdowns, Phillips said coaches remain open to communication before, during and after games.

Last week against Wake Forest, he and Grant came to Shannon when the Demon Deacons had the ball for the last time down 28-27 and suggested putting in Grant at middle linebacker instead of a tired Darryl Sharpton.

"Coach Lovett is the eye upstairs and every time at half time we meet up he's always there ready to listen to us and to tell us what's going wrong," Phillips said. "We tell him this is what they're doing out on the field. This guy did this and this guy did that. We work together. The coaching staff always has the answers. We work it out."

Grant said assistants don't usually get to do a lot of teaching during the regular season because so much time is spent on game-planning. But he says every assistant will spend bonus time with younger players without fail.

"When we leave out of meetings -- Brandon [McGee], Ray Ray Armstrong, Jamal Reid, all those guys stay in there. Coach McGriff makes it his business to stay longer with those guys because they have to learn," Grant said.

"I'm not sure about the linebackers because I'm not a linebacker. But coach Lovett is a great coach and I always see him staying late too. A lot of those linebackers do understand what to do. But there has to be extra effort if you want to play football."

Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer

And I hope all you people who are harping about Shannon not "coaching up kids" during the game saw the first picture at the Herald from the UCF game where he's in the defensive huddle.

Sheesh. Maybe all this bullshat will stop...

Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer

Which is worse, finding the ball and getting there (Brown) or knowing what to do and still not getting there (Sharpton)?

Haven't noticed #50 tearing it up on pass coverage...


Posted by: Texascane | November 04, 2009 at 11:02 AM

>>>>>

Well, if option A can't even set up the defense to begin with you're forced to go with option B.

Like Grant said, #11 has gone from the kiddie pool to the deep end and didn't even realize he was taking the plunge. So he's struggling just to tread water right now.

BEERicane

I think Shannon is a fantastic coach. He is a great recruiter for multiple reasons. He is a local product and clearly devoted to UM and the football program. He is an outstanding human being and him overcoming the most dire of situation commands respect and the players give it to him. Kids want to play for him. He is very knowledgeable about the game of football and clearly has a ton to teach the players. The only thing he lacks to be the ultimate head coach is the passion and fire on the sidelines. If he were to display some emotion the players may feed off of that and respond in the way we all hope they do. And he just needs to be a better "general" on the field on game day strategically. Hopefully he develops on those last two aspects and we will have the greatest HC in all the land.. and I think we will...

Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer

Shwarma, I predict we get Dunkley. Just a feeling I have, esp. since I think Hank is leaving. He's an extraordinary talent and UF could be doing who knows what next year. If he comes in early he could challenge a lot of uppers.

But Luc is done, has been done, ditto Gore.

To me, we end up with Dunkley or one of those others, Lemonier, Ego and a couple more CBs.

Check mate.

j.w.

Cav- I think the issue with Shannon is why does he continue to run the same defense that shows the same weakness every week with players who make the same mistakes as their predecessors did five years ago- that's the "coaching" dispute, not his willingness to teach. That performance against Weak looked almost exactly like any number of games that have been played since 2002 (Louisville, West Va., LSU, etc.). I'm trying to figure out why we can't coach the players better so that they perform better. I'll concede that injuries have taken their toll, but this has been going on for far too long to blame injuries or inexperience.

 DATcane

Soup when U talk to UM ticket officer who do U speak to? Any chance I get get their contact info from U?

Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer

I also want make a slight apology to Susan D. Miller of the Herald because her entire story wasn't too bad, not as bad as I first thought.

JSQ


Soup when U talk to UM ticket officer who do U speak to? Any chance I get get their contact info from U?

Posted by: DATcane | November 04, 2009 at 01:39 PM

86 is out for a bit but we work with the same guy, so I can answer your question.

Contact David Sietsma at

(305) 284-8225

or dsietsma@miami.edu

Great guy!

 DATcane

JSQ thanks!!

JSQ

JSQ thanks!!

Posted by: DATcane | November 04, 2009 at 02:03 PM

My pleasure. I send everyone to him. He is an alum and he has been SO SUPPORTIVE of the Palm Beach 'Canes Club. He got one of the partners in my firm (an alum) great seats to the Oklahoma game! Awesome guy!

JSQ

http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/the_sporting_blog/entry/view/41626/the_all_mickey_andrews_team_is_terrifying

Good article on Mickey Andrew's players over the years.

Daytoncane

when will you guys learn that Shannon will NEVER be accepted by everyone. no matter how much he wins the minute something bad happens all fingers point to him. that's what happens when you become a head coach. and it just so happens that he is a black head coach in the deep south.

and when does showing emotion on the sideline ever come into the conversation of great coaches? i've only seen Nick Saban show emotion when he's pissed off; other than that, he always has that same look on his face. Urban Meyer is another one who doesn't show a lot except for when he's pissed.

and for those questioning schemes and coaching on the defense, do you know what our players can handle and what they can't handle? part of being a great coordinator is knowing what your players strong suits are and what they are weak at. we have traditionally always played man to man in the secondary, so that's not going to just up and change midseason.

we can do some things better, but it starts with the players first. they have to be able to do what the coaches want or else they can't play that defense.

Canez1

Dayton

I think that is where our D coaches fail.

They put scheme before ability and just let it ride too many times.

Good points and I think that is a sign of great coaching.

Changing scheme to match talent and opponents.

I don't think we do a good job at that and haven't since the talent was here.

We have run the same D scheme since RS has been here regardless of talent.

It's old and get's exposed weekly.

GO CANEZ!!!!!

UMike

BEER..I like everthing you said about RS..BUT if he isnt the type of guy to show his emotions like that, then he just isnt, he motivates in other ways..BUT..I think we do have members on our staff like Clint Hurtt that show enough emotion to cover for Shannons lack ok lol

Fran

dayton
I have not considered Fl from Orlando south past Miami as being "Deep South" for many years JOVHO.

mi@mic@ne

The schemes are more complex in this day and age than they were when the GT style offense was being run. You saw what we did to the running scheme. It shows that communication and early recognition as well as having the older guys pushing the line of scrimmage is vital to ds success.
In the past we did not have the consistent good passing attack that we face since we joined the ACC. So now we need to concentrate on pass rushing as well as run rushing. And there is also a lot of versatile qbs who have 4 5 speed which is like another good running back. So it puts a lot of pressure on the lbs to be more versatile.
Plus we have a lot of coaches that have pro experience... or they are much more advanced in their understanding of the pro game , that there is more of a potential to expose the Os weakness from one week to another. Thats why you have these teams holding their opponents to a couple of touches one week and giving up 30 another.
GT was pn dimensional ... but they are very good... but we had everything we needed at our disposal cause it was the beginning of the season and no one was banged up.Hopefully we can get past the idea that we are young and make the V-O5 O one dimensional.

dawgmeatcane

Didn't want to come off as a pure hater but oh well. The trend on player sh!tty juniors or seniors over players that produce on the field or maybe practice

At RB JJ missed all all the spring games but end up #1 on the depth chart, berry and Mike James on the other hand outplayed all the Rb's but is third on the depth chart and Berry is clearly the best Rb and as for AB being so dumb, I remeber him making plays during the first spring game out performing cook and shapton

DallasTX Cane

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DallasTX Cane

I'm thinking Shawnbrey is happy he transferred, he was buried here and he's going to get over 1,000 at SMU.

peace

Posted by: solarcane | November 03, 2009 at 10:42 PM

solar, there was a great article about Shawnbrey in the local newspaper out here a few weeks ago. Basically, he loved his time in Miami and spoke very highly of the team, school, etc. His mother is very ill and he has a kid (or 2, i dont recall). So, he needed to transfer home in order to take care of his family. I believe the ncaa granted him a hardship exemption so he didnt have to sit out a year after transferring. He sounds like a good person.

I also went to the SMU-Navy game and got to watch him in person. He was easily the fastest guy on the field and has some nice moves. If he had a decent OL, he'd be pretty good.

BTW - Navy had to go into OT to beat SMU

shwarma

Dawg - My comment wasn't saying you couldn't bash a kid for his play it was saying his play has nothing to do with him giving an interview or speaking for younger players thats all. I agree its pathetic that Shields sees more time than Grant and he just started playing the position this year.

Texascane

As far as the AB vs DS argument goes...the Middle Linebacker does not have to be the one to get them lined up...CMac could do it very easily, and, in fact does, on most occasions when Sharpton is out.

What I was saying was that even on running plays where, evidently, "AB is the first to the ball", Sharpton is at least one step slow at the edge and hasn't been near a screen pass to the back all year.

As far as pass coverage, being totally lost (AB)and being two steps behind a receiver (DS) results in the same thing. Except AB might be able to run somebody down

It's mathematics, folks...if one guy can do one out of two things well, and another guy doesn't do either well, whom do you play?

canesteeler

It doesn't matter to me if a coach shows emotions or not on the sidelines. My concerns are the inability of this staff to put or coach the kids up on a scheme which does not leave us so vulnerable on defense. I am still amazed that sam shields is playing as much as he is even though his heart is as big as the OB, the lack of his coverage skills are displayed weekly. The inability of our lb's to defend the pass is a coaching thing not just a lack of talent. I am convinced that our offense has to play lights out the rest of the season in order for us to run the table.

Texascane

Medium Game Bob throws his OC under the bus...


"Oklahoma coach Bob Stoops admitted Tuesday he wasn’t nearly as optimistic about an offensive line replacing four starters as offensive coordinator Kevin Wilson was before the season.

He was “a lot more so than I was,” Stoops said Tuesday during his weekly press conference. “You never heard me that way.”

Before the season, Wilson publicly built up the potential of the Sooner line, even though only two of its members, tackle Trent Williams and guard Brian Simmons, had played meaningful snaps in their careers."

A couple more losses and they'll be eating their young


pb(CSROH10)

I think if Randy thought AB had the potential to be at least be even with Sharpton by our bowl game, AB would be in there.

IMO he has a long way to go if he isnt playing at this point.

Calvin

That article by that Fsu player is on point bitter or not. You never really hear and Fsu alumni saying much about Fsu. The culture, they don't call it TRAILER-HASSEE for nothing. And luv em or hate em bobby bowden is old school and has always talked like one of them good ole boyz, that's not sayign he's racist or anything like that but what i'm saying is, his mentality is more towards the Fsu does more for the player than the player does for the school. At UM, it's a hand and hand mentality more so because we're a private university.

THink back to tht day they had their pro day at Fsu and one of the coaches wouldn't let the other players play. That's why laverneus coles had dn introduced an all time classic when he mentioned ribault highschool that monday night game instead of Fsu. They turned their back on him at a time in his life when he really needed leadership, after that tragic up bringing he had even though they didn't know, leaving people in the dust for political reasons creates bitterness.

While they ddn't go wrong with peter warrick, they could of had coles and randy moss to go with him. We see deion sanders keeps prying his claws on everything not Fsu, he was all on devin hester after the fact, than this year, he all up on dez bryant phucking up that mans college career, at least that's what it seems like from the outside, why is he not over their sweating greg reid right now, the Fsu culture has alot to do with that.

At this point though, whatever happens at Fsu is going to happen, we got our own things to get together in the gables. I know alot of Fsu players though while they want their school to win, most of them once they were gone were glad, remember what cromartie had to say about Fsu, nothing good. He's right though, derrick brooks could help take that program to another level. The bowden being to conservative comment was on point to as well in alot of big games Fsu choked because of bowden.

The could've bea tennessee that year with outzen as the qb, but they threw so many out routes that game at some point even phil fulmer could have stepped in front of one of em and housed cause everybody knew it was coming.

Good to see clements committ and it says alot of about that man in that article too. The thing i like about clements is, he's from Miami and the mentality he has is, he's coming to ball and work hard and give it all he's got(where don soldinger when you need em) regardless of competition, like he said, if he's not starting he knows whoever is in front of him must be real good to kep him on the bench.

clements is like a frank gore type back with out the nasty cuts, just a work horse type. I like where the program is right now and how promising it looks for the future, people can say what they want but in order to beat UM after this season, especially if the whole staff(with the exception of fluzzi who needs to be relagated to strictly teaching tight-ends)comes back next year we should be improved, mainly on the defensive side of the ball is where if we get stronger on that side of the ball, we're going undefeated, no if's ands or buts.

Texascane

Randy played Glenn Cook all last year...I rest my case.

Calvin

shannon just doesn't like to play players who can't answer the questions he throws at them on the fly because he knows if a player is not ready mentally he'll let the other players down at some point, here's the thing about authur brown, unless c-mac or spence or futch or somebody in that group is moving to the middle, authur brown more than likely will be playing irregardless.

The tale tale sign though was, once authur didn't get a chance to play against g-tech,that's when it really seemed like something other than football was going on to me. He did get in on the v-tech game though other than that, come next year, NO EXCUSES!

pb(CSROH10)

Is this guy joking? How full of chit can one guy be?

http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/breaking-news/story/1315732.html

pb(CSROH10)

Posted by: Texascane | November 04, 2009 at 04:12 PM


Would you have preferred Sharpton??

JSQ

Is this guy joking? How full of chit can one guy be?

http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/breaking-news/story/1315732.html

Posted by: pb(CSROH10) | November 04, 2009 at 04:15 PM


Just when you think someone can't sink any lower . . . wow.

DallasTX Cane

Posted by: canesteeler | November 04, 2009 at 03:55 PM

agree. success defines which method or personality type works best. and, different personalities work better with different teams. U can find multiple examples on either side of that coin - tom landry was stoic, jimmy johnson wasn't. both were successful. if it works, keep it. U cant change how RS is or how he displays his emotions. its better he be himself on the sideline versus trying to fake some reaction.

Texascane

Doesn't matter what I prefer...evidently Randy thought Cook was better than Sharpton last year (Think about that one for a minute). Randy had no problem throwing DVD and others into the "sink or swim" mentality.

What if he had thrown AB into the mix all last year...all those questions would have been answered...for all time. Surely would not have been bad as Cook.

Randy just seems to have a soft spot for guys like himself...big heart, understand the game...but just not quite good enough. He just doesn't seem to care for the guys with all the physical talent that like to freelance now and then.

What I am afraid of is that in a couple of years we are going to see AB playing lights out on Sunday and wonder, "What if?"

Just like McIntosh.

Calvin

Here's a question, we all knew bruce johnson had nfl talent but is he excelling because of the coaching at the next level or he's more hungry now!

JSQ

http://hurricanesports.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/110409aaa.html

Brandon Harris Named a Semifinalist for the Thorpe Award

pb(CSROH10)

Posted by: Texascane | November 04, 2009 at 04:38 PM


I couldnt disagree more. I'm not a big name dropper, but I do have a friend very connected with the program. The reality is AB is still basically clueless.

But only time will tell!

Texascane

Clueless about what?

Find the ball and tackle?

Child Please...!

pb(CSROH10)

Lol, if you say so.

86Cane

Randy just seems to have a soft spot for guys like himself...big heart, understand the game...but just not quite good enough. He just doesn't seem to care for the guys with all the physical talent that like to freelance now and then.

What I am afraid of is that in a couple of years we are going to see AB playing lights out on Sunday and wonder, "What if?"

Just like McIntosh.

Posted by: Texascane | November 04, 2009 at 04:38 PM

I would agree with this statement. IMHO it applies to Cook, Sharpton and Phillips.

86Cane

Dayton...I'll get back to your comment later. No time right now. Working on the new blog for tonight.

JSQ...thanks for posting the David Sietsma info. Nice work there!

pb(CSROH10)

New Manny:

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/umiami/

dawgmeatcane

Here's a question, we all knew bruce johnson had nfl talent but is he excelling because of the coaching at the next level or he's more hungry now!

Posted by: Calvin

both but more coaching then hungry 60/40

Daytoncane

freelancing is something you shouldn't do very often, especially in college ball. one big reason that's a no no is because of the spread offense. there is so much field to cover and if one guy doesn't do his job then someone's going to be wide open.

if you put Arthur Brown in against Oklahoma, how good does he play? keep in mind that Oklahoma doesn't huddle so you must know most of the defensive calls and get set. even if Brown isn't calling the plays he still must know the calls and get lined up correctly. will he know what his responsibilities are?

NFL players freelance more because they are pros and can get away with it. it is also what makes some of them so good.

Texascane

You really can't come on here and say "I have a friend who..."

We are talking about one of the Top 6 recruits in the country, regardless of position, from two years ago. Randy watched him play, Hurtt watched him play, every major college in the country watched him play and offered him immediately. They talked to him and his family, they talked to his coaches and his teachers.

Now you come on here and say, basically, the kid is a football retard...because you have a friend who...

You think Randy and Hurtt and all the rest just missed the fact that he is "clueless" about football before they offered him? Or did he hide it so well that they didn't notice?

Daytoncane

Clueless about what?

Find the ball and tackle?

Child Please...!

Posted by: Texascane | November 04, 2009 at 04:51 PM

if Arthur Brown can only find the ball and tackle, then he is a BUST.

pb(CSROH10)

You really can't come on here and say "I have a friend who..."

Yes I can, cause I do.


p.s. What Dayton said.

Cat 5 Cane

Thoughts on playing senior players first...

Randy says show me to the younger kids but for the older guys who are leaving this year... maybe a little soft and giving a few guys a break to build up their stats before trying to jump into the NFL... doesn't make Randy a bad guy, even if he is doing it. But next year all bets are off and it's all Randy's guys from 07 and after. I guess 06 was his too, to a degree, but 06 was filled with questions an direction and any player who came in 06 deserves a break today, if he can get into the NFL by any means.

Hopefully we can honor the seniors of 09 with a great ending season and a nice Bowl win!!!!

Canes!

Texascane

" if Arthur Brown can only find the ball and tackle, then he is a BUST."

Have you really watched Sharpton lately?

I tell you what...every time Sewell pulls the ball down and runs this week, count the seconds and the yards until Sharpton gets there.

In addition, do the same thing on every counter, sweep and screen pass.

"I really would like to see someone who could "just find the ball and tackle"

86Cane

both but more coaching then hungry 60/40

Posted by: dawgmeatcane | November 04, 2009 at 05:05 PM


No, No, NO! Coaching doesn't matter.

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