A Letter From The Editor

Due to recent events both on and off the blog I feel it is necessary to clarify several issues and attempt to clear the air in an effort to restore a sense of normalcy here at Canespace.  I ask that you please read this blog more than once, with patience and an open mind before your formulate your own personal opinions and post your comments.

First as you know, Canespace is a free, privately run blog for the fans, by the fans.  It is not a publicly run media blog like the Miami Herald or Sun Sentinel.  It is not paid web site blog or message board like those at Canesport.com or InsidetheU.com.  

As with any blog, bloggers who post comments do so at the discretion and approval of the blog editor.  Here at Canespace we generally have more clearly defined boundaries and rules that are established to ensure a fan friendly environment for ALL fans, young and old, male and female, black, white or hispanic, not just a select few.

Secondly, as you are also aware, the public media blogs have had severe difficulty managing comments at their sites resulting in the virtual elimination of meaningful conversation about UM athletics at those sites.   The Canespace rules and guidelines are precisely intended to prevent that same environment from being repeated at this site. 

As many of you are aware, about a year ago the Sun-Sentinel blog became a hostile environment for Hurricane fans due to a Gator troll that dominated the conversation and essentially ruined that site for all.   Many SS blogers have found their way to Canespace as a result.  Not until very recently has Shandel Richardson started to screen and delete comments and ban bloggers who do not follow common decency guidelines.

More recently our good friend Manny Navarro at the Miami Herald changed the format of his blog to a "moderated comment only" format due to the same reasons. The same bloggers who launched personal attacks, threats and general blog pollution that stained the SS blog found their way to The Herald and due to pressure from bloggers Manny decided to change the format or simply quit blogging.  He told me as much in an email.

Over at Canesport things got so bad that Gary Ferman had to lay down the law and ban some message board regulars who had been around for years.  A group of around 100 bloggers from that site started their own "members only" blog that is only open to those invited to join.

The point of this discussion is to show you that the recent events here at Canespace are not isolated to this blog.  Running a blog is a difficult balancing act of allowing freedom of expression and controlling content and comments.  And it a tremendous burden as well as a 24/7 responsibility for the blog editor. 

As I am sure you can imagine, this is an extremely tiring and difficult task for anyone to manage.  Are conflicts going to arise?  Absolutely.  Is it possible to always get the balance right?  Probably not.  Are mistakes likely to be made?  Probably so.

More than anyone, I fully understand that any blog is only as good as its bloggers.  I also understand that may be even more true at a private, fan run site like Canespace than any of the other media sites.  I have visited and read hundreds of other sports blogs on the Internet and none that I have found can match Canespace for the number and quality of comments posted here on a daily basis. 

In fact most of the blogs that I have found including those at the Sun-Sentinel and Miami Herald cannot match our community of bloggers or number of daily comments.  I am well aware of that fact and I am thankful for all of those that contribute here on a daily basis.  In some ways, Canespace has become the last safe refuge for intelligent and knowledgeable Hurricane fans to blog.

Only here at Canespace do we have numerous fans from all over the Country writing and contributing feature articles on a regular basis.  I realize that Canespace would not have achieved our goals and would be nothing without these dedicated bloggers.   I have a great deal or appreciation and respect for those who take their personal time to provide quality content for all to enjoy. 

That being said, the recent issues and incidents have set us back, of that there is no doubt.  I accept responsibility for my role in that and offer an apology to those who I may have upset or offended. 

So should others.  

As I have publicly stated here on many occasions no one blogger is above the rules or more important than the blog itself.  Those who violate the rules of conduct, attempt to intimidate or bully other bloggers or try to turn the blog into their own personal page have unfortunately at times had to learn lessons the hard way by having comments deleted and in some cases being banned from the blog.

There are only a handful of Canepacers who have ever been banned.  All have returned to the blog after a short period away after clarifying the issues off the blog.  Whenever a blogger violates one of the rules they are asked to email me to clarify the rules and prevent future violations.  That is not done to chastise or embarrass anyone, it is done because it is efficient and also lets others know that the blog is being monitored to reduce the number of violations that need to be addressed.

That will not change.  I do not have time to convince or counsel bloggers into following the rules.  Some bloggers choose not to email me when confronted.  That is their choice and their decision.  If following rules or sending an email is too much to ask from any blogger here then simply put you do not belong on Canespace. 

To help all comply and to avoid violations, here are the rules:

1. Posting of sexual, obsecene or offensive comments or material is not permitted.

2. Blog bullying, personal attacks, bashing or threats of intimidation are not permitted.

3. Politics, religion, race or ethnic issues and other emotionally charged topics should be avoided.

4. Consistent or continuous off-topic or inappropriate comments should be avoided.

We all get off topic once in a while.  We all joke and tease each other.  That is absolutely fine and part of developing a positive and healthy blog community.  Here at Canespace people have received legal advice, job opportunities, personal coaching and emotional support during difficult times in their lives. 

That is what has made this blog unique.  I do NOT want to lose that. 

I have invested a significant amount of time and money into this project known as Canespace and am committed to its success.  At times I have to make difficult decisions that I believe are in the best interests of the blog.  That is not always easy, especially given all of the behind the scenes issues, emails, phone contacts, comments and suggestions that I get on a regular basis. 

I do the best I can and try to involve others whenever major decisions are made that impact the blog.  Am I perfect?  No, far from it.  Do I do the best I can to be fair and balanced?  Sure I do. 

That is all I can offer and all I can do. 

I hope that is good enough for most of you.

Comments

[mr troutman]

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[mr troutman]

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[shwarma]

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[CGNC]

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[FightingIbis]

Pretty shallow to blame injuries on the 09 woes. EVERY TEAM deals with injuries. It's not like UM has to deal with it and nobody else does. The top teams have guys that can step in and get the job done when it's required. Dah U doesn't or hasn't lately. That falls on the coaches shoulders. Saying that 11-1 was realistic with the injuries is big time short sighted. IMO

Posted by: This U | March 04, 2010 at 04:43 PM

There's a big difference between other programs having injuries that have a balanced roster of upper classmen. Randy cleaned house when he stepped in. We were well below the 85 scholly limit. We had 53 true sophomores and freshmen on this roster last year. When a sophomore goes down and you have to put in a true freshman in is harder than having a Senior injured who's being replaced by Junior or Sophmore.

You can say injuries didn't hurt us all you want to but they did. If our LB's don't stay healthy this year we're hurtin because of depth.

Having a true 2 deep roster will help us this year. That's why Randy will play 145 downs this year aat the spring game. He couldn't do that before because we didn't have a 2 deep.

[Old Skool]

What you can do and can't is a matter of skills and body type, genes, training and desire.

I refer to this quote all the time. Joe Frazier was once asked who something to the effect of who was the bravest man he knew.

His answer: Mark Spitz.

A guy who goes toe to toe with Ali, thinks Mark Spitz is brave. Why? Frazier couldn't swim.

When he tried it one time for superstars competition, he quit halfway through and said. "It was like I was throwin' punches at the water and the water kept hitting back."

[macjones]

I've learned what I'm going to do. I'm going to ONLY keep it Canes. I hate this situation because I garnered personal relationships from Canespace. I feel SO caught in the middle and I'm not liking it one bit. I'm 36 yrs old, but never to old to learn. I'm just going to post the way I do about The U and that's it. No more being friends, because friends don't treat each other like this. Its so UGLY!

Posted by: bg1906 | March 04, 2010 at 02:10 PM

It would seem that a CANCER has entered the realm of Canespace. And I'm not talking the Zodiac.

[86Cane]

NEW BLOG IS UP!

[raizecane]

Ok....I wasn't going to bring it up but since 86 wrote this blog, I might as well put my input in. Let me start off by saying......"for the love of god people". It's not like we lost a loved one. We simply had a few people decide not to blog anymore so lets not act like the world is coming to an end. The sun did rise and we moved on, right???.

Now I have to say that i did enjoy most of the comments that those who are no longer with us had written and I even had the pleasure of meeting JSQ on several occasions. They did bring great info to the table but the one thing I have noticed since they stopped blogging is all of the new names that have popped up and left comments. Am I the only one that noticed this?? I am not sure why that is but I have a theory. It seems that if Truth or Mary made a simple comment like "It's nice outside", there would be 50 responses to that comment. But if you had someone who doesn't post often bring something informative to the blog, they would hardly (if at all) get someone to respond thus feeling left out. So if you feel left out, why bother? Now granted I know the folks who are now missing were popular and well deserved but it's nice to see new names contribute to the blog. Especially those who always read what we say but never felt compelled to leave a comment until now.

This blog will continue to move forward, we will continue to read it and as long as Soup's head doesn't get in the way, you shall see the sun rise.

Peace and Go Canes......

[solarcane]

new blob

[Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer]

Well now...

[macjones]

I'll stick with the Cats and the 'Cuse. Just hope they're able to meet in the final game and the selection committee doesn't hose it

Posted by: Six | March 03, 2010 at 10:36 PM

Right On! Other than Cane football, this month is moi's time of the year. Sports speaking, mind U's. lol

I, too, vision Calipari's Wildcat squad, as well as Jimmy's Cuse team in the Final Four, along with Villy and a SURPRISE lower seed team. No not a No. 6 or No. 8 seed. But perhaps a No. 3 seed or No. 4 seed, for instance.

[Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer]

baseball is specialized like football. you got guys who are super athletic mixed in with guys who are fat a$$es but can do something very well. some incredibly skilled while others not so much but have a certain physical ability that makes up for it. people will bring up hitting the ball, but what about throwing a ball 90 mph and it dropping at the last minute and it being thrown to an exact location that is just where the batter will almost never be able to hit it? its a skill. turning a double play while jumping over someone who is sliding at you full speed with his metal spikes trying to take out your ankles/shins? professionals make it look a lot easier than it is.

Posted by: Esteban | March 04, 2010 at 03:35 PM

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Very true.

[Esteban]

solar, that's so i can talk about how hard i worked to overcome that difficulty afterward.

[RandyCane]

I feel that the truth about some things needs to be revealed about some situations that occurred on this blog concerning MM01 and Soup. I was going to keep things to myself but since Soup wants to reveal things so will I.

I speak entirely for myself.

When MM01 was banned it was because soup felt that Manny was being trashed on this site undeservedly.

That is not the problem. The problem with the relationship began with disparaging e-mails Tom sent to MM01 and Myself.

As many of you know I lost my job in October and MM01 and I both lost jobs due to lay-offs in Salt Lake City where we were working for some friends.

As a result of being under employed and unemployed we decided to combine our incomes
in order to survive. One way was to live together. Fortunately as father and son we get along.

Soup took it upon himself to ridicule and disparage the fact that Michael wasn't working and that he was living with me.

Soup has no idea about how hard MM01 was looking for work and to improve both of our situations. Tom took it upon himself to criticize him for things he had no business doing so and for a situation he knew nothing about.

He also criticized me for allowing Michael to live with me and was critical of us for other things, Telling Michael, get a job, implying he was lazy, calling Michael an ASS and involving himself in our lives in a way that was far out of bounds. If you want word for word I will give it to you.

I also know for a fact that others on this blog have had worse things said to to them by Soup.

Soup bears the responsibility for his actions and I'm afraid that although he has said disrepectful things, To MM01 , myself and others that he comes off looking like a prince when he has engaged in things not many would not approve of.

You want copies of the e-mails he sent my e-mail is hankrbradley@yahoo.com

This situation with MM01 and others who have been attacked personally is not about being banned from the blog or about the rules of the blog. It is about the treatment of others by someone pretentending to be something he is not.
Posted by: RandyCane | March 04, 2010 at 04:57 PM

[Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer]

Solar regarding white names: to make a name blindingly white you need two first names and a last: Jim Bob Smith, Melissa Lou Jenkins, Sadie Mae Allen, Jessica Ann Grayson

>>>>

That depends on where you live. haha

[Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer]

Capt0

Lance Armstrong sounds just like a 1950 white America, All American boys name.

If you asked a hundred people they wouldn't think Lance was Louie Armstrong's brother no matter how black you think the name is.

>>>

Lance, Henry, Neil, Louis... Armstrong.....who's related here??

[Esteban]

catching a pass over the middle gunned by Favre while deion is covering you and ronnie lott is waiting to hit you...takes skill and just as important a lack of fear.

[solarcane]

" love football, but played baseball enough to know its not as easy as the pros make it look."

then again you make almost everything look dificult.

[Esteban]

16 grams, catching a pass from marino is easier than playing 3rd base when a player fakes like he's going to bunt and you rush in then he pulls back and rockets the ball your way. even catching a pop up can be difficult if its far from you and its windy and it is slicing cause how it came off the bat.

i love football, but played baseball enough to know its not as easy as the pros make it look.

[solarcane]

There isn't an offensive lineman in America that could hit a 98 mph fastball consistently, but there are some baseball players that could play wide receiver with ease.

[solarcane]

16 agree, but also
hitting a 98 mph ball the size of orange, with a stick is amazing
try it sometime

[Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer]

I would have to argue blocking a 270 pound DL that runs a 4.6 40 is a tad harder than hitting a ball with a stick.

Posted by: 16 grams | March 04, 2010 at 03:29 PM

>>>

It's a totally different skill. Hitting a 80mph curveball with a 4'' stick is very, very difficult, not even considering count, score, etc..

[mi@mic@ne]

Guys lets get some balance here... a lot is going to rest on our winning next yr... it aint happened yet... i would leave the Manny bashing for another time... may have ego on the face.

[16 grams]

Solar,

There is so much skill that goes into blocking. Footwork, technique, blocking schemes, strength, and yes balls. The statement that Canerock said was what would be harder?
ex) 2
catching a pass from marino's gun is harder than catching a pop up once maybee twice a game.

[solarcane]

guru

Northeast mountain part close to SC and NC borders.

hurri
thanks
yea Jerome just isn't as funny as Curly unless Clinton Portis is involved.

bg, pb great posts

cgnc, canechic,philly,

If I thought there was really a puck I would probably watch hockey.

[solarcane]

16,
I think you mean blocking the guy takes more strength or balls, not more skill.

Hitting a 90mph moving object that's the size of an aspirin in perspective to the background behind it takes mad skillz.

I'm a college football fan, watch very little baseball but I'm amazed at the hand eye coordination good baseball players have.

[Sy-Cane]

I don't get it Tom. First you asked us to comment about this blog and when we do, it becomes one sided or just sweep it under the rug, or just ignore it and think that whatever it is that you had to do you did. I believe in honesty and frankness, but this just appears to be one-sided.

The only problem I see with the blog is that if we talk strictly about Canes sport, then it'll just feel like a dry blog and folks will probably stop commenting. It's nice to have some topics that are off-sports related, but still in the realm of civility, but as they say, sometimes good things do come to an end...

Nonetheless, I do want to thank you for all you have done with this blog in the past 4 years and I concur with Mr. Troutman's statement.

[Esteban]

I think the name "Lance" is what makes it "white" sounding. Armstrong would have the opposite affect like Cav pointed out.

[solarcane]

Capt0

Lance Armstrong sounds just like a 1950 white America, All American boys name.

If you asked a hundred people they wouldn't think Lance was Louie Armstrong's brother no matter how black you think the name is.

If I meant it to be what you interpreted it to mean I would of said
The Armstrong-est names of all time lol!

skool you and Six are killin me, you got that post for just what it was, a poke at ourselves.

Sometimes white guys don't pull off the name thing as well as a blacks dudes I agree.

Meatloaf as opposed to Prince comes to mind.

[Old Skool]

U Mike To search trademarks go to USPTO.gov
It's a pain to find an use but that's what it takes.

Solar regarding white names: to make a name blindingly white you need two first names and a last: Jim Bob Smith, Melissa Lou Jenkins, Sadie Mae Allen, Jessica Ann Grayson

I don't think Roscoe Lee Browne counts 'cause no one called him Roscoe Lee

Then to make the male names even whiter add Jr or III at the end. When you hear Jim Bob Smith III. There ain't no doubt

Clarence Williams III doesn't count. He doesn't have the two first names.

[CaneRock]

"Short term I see the blog going back to talking about UM sports."

SOUP, in an ideal world...yeah. But think about it, outside of the CWS (Baseball), the Tourney (B-Ball), BCS (Football) this place is a social networking site, there's certainly nothing wrong with that. And Fighting Ibis makes some pretty valid points. I've never known you for talking down to anyone, but notice that a lot of the guys who are no longer posting can be guilty of that to a certain point, which can lead to some pretty heated arguments (Case in point: Fighting Ibis vs The Truth). It's alright to be thick skinned and all, but there's just going to be somebody that's gonna peel the layers of that thick skin. I mean, at the end of the day, were some grown ass Canesters and Canettes, ya' dig...

[nmbcane]

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[Greenthumbcane]

Wow 86! Pretty darn good written article. U have my support.

Just keep on going CaneSpace... U always have & I am sure that U always will!

[86Cane]

I rocked my canespace tee shirt with a Miami hoodie and tried my best to conjure up a win but...

Posted by: elliottcarbone | March 04, 2010 at 04:27 PM

NICE!

[elliottcarbone]

Just got back from the Greensboro Coliseum after watching the Miami women's basketball losing a nail bitter. I rocked my canespace tee shirt with a Miami hoodie and tried my best to conjure up a win but...Anyway we would have won the game had #1 Williams "who by the way is a very good basketball player" been more involved at the start of the second half. Also she missed three wide open layups, so....66-65 was the final but had she made the layups we would of won...

[86Cane]

pb, shwarma...good advice, well written. I will tak that into consideration in the future.

[Daytoncane]

why is Tim Tebow posting here now?

and since the Truth is dead, this goes out to him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NthwJ8OmaWM

a credible source tells me this lol.

[mr troutman]

I must say being around the Space for years now i've seen it grow from a peon to a known site. I remember 86 telling us to come on here when SUNSENTINEL( Omar's BLOG ) was leaving well at least he was. This was over 4 years ago. I also remember when we used to get all the FREE cut and paste info from other sites too. Man i miss those days. Now look where we are now. It wasn't long ago before we were hungry for a Miami site because 5 years ago it wasn't one. Yeah we are an opioniated bunch... This is by far the realest BLOG out there if U come on here talking out the side of your mouth you will get CHECKED RIGHT AT THE DOOR...not just by its' host but by its' fans. U SEE SOME OF US LOVE THIS SCHOOL LIKE FAMILY and if you come here eitheir being a jerk , a races pig or a looser U will get it from us period...

In essense though i just want all the old legion guys back mixed in with all the NEWBIES. The blog is still good way to get info from all sorts of oulets. This is a football blog but over the years it has been a All around blog that many have reached out towards one another rather postive or negative. But all in all Thanks 86 for setting things up here when others have failed while keeping up with Um sports.

[Jesus]

Thank you for this reminder

[UMike]

Sarasota....im with you my man..I feel injuries, especially to J12 kept us from being 11-1...VT kicked out AZZ...but the other loses shouldnt have been and wouldnt have been had we been healthy...mainly the d-line and j12....but I agree with you also about how it was reported..it was.. "another year when they faded down the stretch" etc etc....I wish someone (maybe I will) would go back to each game and look who was out, I bet it would be an eye opener. I mean just look at the names Ojomo, Forston, Spence, Futch, it was the "who's who" of the defense it seems..ray ray went down etc.

[Esteban]

baseball is specialized like football. you got guys who are super athletic mixed in with guys who are fat a$$es but can do something very well. some incredibly skilled while others not so much but have a certain physical ability that makes up for it. people will bring up hitting the ball, but what about throwing a ball 90 mph and it dropping at the last minute and it being thrown to an exact location that is just where the batter will almost never be able to hit it? its a skill. turning a double play while jumping over someone who is sliding at you full speed with his metal spikes trying to take out your ankles/shins? professionals make it look a lot easier than it is.

[16 grams]

LooL- Don't fool yourself this is a Cane Football Blog that happens to cover other activities when football is not in season.

[Daytoncane]

is this a sports blog?

[16 grams]

Thats part my point, doing something well 30% of the time and considering that good is a joke. Yes its a skill like darts or pool but not a sport.

I would have to argue blocking a 270 pound DL that runs a 4.6 40 is a tad harder than hitting a ball with a stick.

[CaneRock]

16grams, say what you want, but hitting a baseball is no joke. Matter of fact, it's probably the hardest thing to do in sports. I mean think about it, what other sport can you think of, probably besides golf, that you can fail 65-70% of the time, and still be considered good to great...

[16 grams]

Six- I have debated a many a people about the Halfletes playing a game called Baseball. Yes 'Halfletes'; cause they are not athletes and they do not play a sport the play a skill game.

I'm not gonna get to into it cause i am not gonna change your opinion and you are not gonna change mine.

[Esteban]

my thing on Calvin and Jason Fox was that he added a "don't get me wrong I'm glad we had him these past 4 years" type message. Wasn't all negative. I would agree on the hardline with negative comments toward guest is always going to create problems. The Rudy example being the best. How does everyone feel about Rudy these days? About insidetheu? The knocking him was warranted. Manny when miami mike criticized him was coming off some really negative blogs - criticism (i'd like to think of it more as taking him to task for what he wrote) was warranted even if i went about it in a different way than Mike. Still it seemed like Manny didn't really like how i went about it either. Jason Fox said something that was extreme. Was automatic that someone would read it and think and say "he's nuts" or something similar. And there was the overwhelming majority who argued its okay cause he was great for us so he can get a pass on that comment. Basically the community policed itself - as it does on regular occasion. Part of the history behind "the legion" was it was known as being a fair but honest group of fans. add to that a pretty knowledgeable group especially when compared to other sites.

[Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer]

And I put players, even the worst, in a different category than so-called "journalists" because the hacks don't really know a dam thing and definitely haven't done jack.

Players always get the glass in half-full treatment, except maybe KW. lol Nah, I'd still give him respect for taking such a beating.

Also, players actually have some REAL INFORMATION. That's why I'd love to get Pipho on here so we could really see the changes on the team, from Coker to Shannon.

THAT would be a scoop and that's what the Space is really about at the end of the day.

INFORMATION. That's what all these guys who don't post but read have been saying.

[shwarma]

And your article was great, my above post was in response to your comments afterwards. It just reads that the comments and not the article, are how you really feel sometimes.

[Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer]

And as PB said, there's a difference between being courteous and swallowing a bunch of bullshyt from some fool who has NO credibility anywhere other than his for pay site.

Soup, U did him the favor, not the other way around. And if he had understood that he would've tried to take advantage of the situation and show people that it's actually WORTH spending money to read what he says.

His fat-azz did just the OPPOSITE.

And while I like Manny, if I see him running down that tabloid road I'll call him on it just like I'd call one of my friends on some bullshyt coming out of there mouth and they'd call me out just the same.

And everything I've said over here about Manny of late, I've written on his blob.

And definitely everything I've said about Shandel and Omar over here I've written on their blobs, probably worse.

It's called BEING A PUBLIC FIGURE.

And when you have the authority to say things you better be ready to be checked and scrutinized.

If people don't like it they should stay inside and shut their cheese-pipes.

[shwarma]

I wrote a long winded blog that was eaten by typepad, but essentially all I wanted to say was this:

You can't have your cake and eat it too! It's not for the fans by the fans, if you tell us to stop talking about something that is a relevant and objective discussion. It's not fair to address a situation but then tell another blogger to move on when he suggests you invite all parties to talk about it (which I thought was a fair idea from bg).

I come here for insider information, educated opinion and spirited banter. Without this (and certain specific bloggers), despite the commraderie, I think the blog is worse off.

pb and bg are offering valuable insight on this situation. I think you should realize despite the reality of the situation this is just as much about perception and for that reason you should value all opinions.

[Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer]

Ibis...I protected Manny just like I protected Jason Fox on the blog.

See if you can follow this:

You don't invite a guest to your house and then insult him and crap all over him. You don't ask Manny or Fox to take time out of their busy schedules to chat with the fans only to have those same fans turn on them. It's just bad form and poor manners.

Not every thought that comes to your mind has to be spit out onto a blog on the Internet for all to see. Haven't we all learned that lesson?

Posted by: 86Cane | March 04, 2010 at 02:24 PM

>>>>

I guess I missed the live interview with Fox.

To me, when someone like Manny or any player, past or present, comes to the blob to chat, you treat them like a guest and someone who's more or less on the same page with you...all about the U.

But if you're talking about an interview where they say something crazy and we're not supposed to call that shyt crazy, that's another matter.

I'll always call it as I see it. Like I said before, that Fox situation wasn't the first time we said those things about Fox and it doesn't mean we don't love him as a Cane but real is real and bullhsyt is bullshyt.

For example, if Pipho came on a live chat I wouldn't browbeat the kid. He gave his all but he just didn't have that much to give. I'd thank him for his effort and slap him on the back.

But if I see him whiffin assignment after assignment during a game or watching the highlights of a game, I'm going to call it out.

That's just the reality of public sports at any level, esp. D-1 CFB.

[Sarasota 'cane]

Manny likes to "stir the pot" sometimes, and Shandell is a downight disgrace to his profession as well as our team.

Would all of us agree that injuries were the single greatest reason why UM faded down the stretch? Neither Manny or Shandell reported it like that! It was "sexier" to bash Shannon and question his ability to lead the team. It sells more papers and it generates more "hits" on their blogs.

Go 'canes!

[Hurriphin302-4-305]

Solar, if you're out there,

I saw your list of whitest/blackest names, and started bagging up!!

I also think it's dope how a Jewish white guy can have Jerome as a first name. (Curly from the Three Stooges name was Jerome)

[Gin & Tonic]

Posted by: Sarasota 'cane | March 04, 2010 at 02:59 PM

NuKeese is dumber cause he could only get into TENN and not the Citadel.

[Sarasota 'cane]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/football/ncaa/02/28/citadel.quarterback.ap/index.html

I'm not sure which athlete is dumber, NuKeese from TENN, or this kid from the Citadel!

Nothing surprises me anymore!

Thank God UM has Shannon!!

Go 'canes!

[pb(CSROH10)]

Soup, the Truth and Mary thing aside, it's always going to come down to you not wanting guests to be criticized.

It caused the problem you and I had because of Rudy at ITU and the issues you later with Calvin, C1 and others with Jason Fox. The Manny situation caused yet more drama.

You cannot expect your guests to not be spoken about negatively. It's not going to happen, nor should it.

Manny and Rudy are paid to report, be critical and at times even controvsersial. Once they do that, they open themselves up to be scrutinized as well. End of story.

Very soon Jason Fox will be a millionaire professional athlete. He is going to be glorified and blasted depending on his performance. He was far from perfect at UM and I thought this blog was created to debate that very thing.

You are wrong here buddy. I hate to put it this way but there is no other way to say it. If you can't get past your invitees being blasted from time to time, this thing you've poured your life into is ultimately going to fail.

JMO...

[86Cane]

Do you feel your inherent rights as a human being have been infringed upon that it warrants such outcry? C'mon people, it is seriously getting pretty tired. NEXT!

Posted by: BEERicane | March 04, 2010 at 02:45 PM

LOL! Exactly. It's a college sports blog for God's sakes, not the U.S. Supreme Court. Get over it, and blog on.

[86Cane]

But this site has allowed dissenting points of view, always. Asking posters to say what they want, but be respectful towards others and try to avoid really just a couple of topics has been the rule, right?

Posted by: j.w. | March 04, 2010 at 01:49 PM

YES

[shwarma]

...

[Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer]

Cav! U would love hockey! NHL in person is great

Posted by: CGNC | March 04, 2010 at 01:40 PM

>>>

Maybe in person. I watched it some when I was in school up north and got the basics. It's a helluva lot better than soccer. That's the example I should've used. Me moving to Jamaica or Brazil and watching soccer. Now that would be a nightmare.

[mi@mic@ne]

I m ready for some football... ready to see us kick Butch s azzzzzzzzzzzzz... CANES

[BEERicane]

You don't invite a guest to your house and then insult him and crap all over him

Posted by: 86Cane | March 04, 2010 at 02:24 PM

So that's why no one comes over to my house anymore.

Seriously, what heck is going on here? Let's all act like mature adults and realize that some stuff that we all do not know the full details of (or in my case none) and move on with our lives. Are 86's requests oppressing everyone to the extent that you feel the need to keep dragging this issue on and on? Do you feel your inherent rights as a human being have been infringed upon that it warrants such outcry? C'mon people, it is seriously getting pretty tired. NEXT!

[Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer]

"Lance Armstrong" is a "white" name? huh? lol

Louis Armstrong
Aravious Armstrong
Henry Armstrong

All would be called "black".

Fact is, Armstrong is one of the most classic, All-American names you can get.

Right up there with Colt McCoy and World B. Free, and anyone with the last name Clinton. lol

[86Cane]

Ibis...there are ways of disagreeing without criticizing or attacking, I'm sure you know the difference.

Short term, I see the blog going back to talking about UM sports.

Long term, the same as always: The best damn place on the Internet for Hurricane fans to read about and talk about their beloved Hurricanes!

[Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer]

Butch Davis did an interview on 560 if anybody is interested.

Posted by: DATcane | March 04, 2010 at 12:18 PM

>>>

Couldn't give a rat's azz about what Butch says.

[FightingIbis]

See if you can follow this:

Posted by: 86Cane | March 04, 2010 at 02:24 PM

But it's ok to talk down to the people that make this thing go? See if I can follow your elite way of thinking?

You all say most of us on here can smell through writers BS. That's all we've done with Manny. He can be invited here and still get criticized. Or are we just supposed to blow a bunch of smoke up his butt?

Again, where do you see your blog going?

[86Cane]

Ibis...I protected Manny just like I protected Jason Fox on the blog.

See if you can follow this:

You don't invite a guest to your house and then insult him and crap all over him. You don't ask Manny or Fox to take time out of their busy schedules to chat with the fans only to have those same fans turn on them. It's just bad form and poor manners.

Not every thought that comes to your mind has to be spit out onto a blog on the Internet for all to see. Haven't we all learned that lesson?

[Sarasota 'cane]

Half of the negative garbage on here is put out by a couple of crazed Gator fans. It's obvious when a "new" blogger comes on here and has NOTHING good to say about UM after a couple of days that they are not UM fans. It's comical to watch some of you interact with them!

Their posts ALWAYS begin with: "I've been a fan of the 'space for a long time, but this is my first time posting..." and then they begin to tell us everything that is wrong with UM's athletic program.

There are a lot of questions surrounding this program heading into summer ball, but if U cannot see the progress that this team has made since Randy took over, then you either don't understand the game, or you are not a fan of the team.

I know, Randy does not know how to use his timeouts...or does he? How do we know what would have happened had he not used them? Why is no one jumping on Mack Brown for the way he handled the clock at the end of the regular season? Maybe because he's white? I have never seen a coach so cloesly scrutinized as Shannon, and yet UM gets better every year since he took over!

If Shannon continues to improve in 2010 with UM's schedule, then he has my vote.

P.S. You do not have to have played the game at the college level to understand how the game is played. Canechic has forgotten more about the game than half of the "ex" players that post here will ever know. The game is designed so that the average fan can pick up the rules and strategy quite quickly.

P.S.S. If Urban Meyer has a phony nervous breakdown, or if a UF player gets arrested, or if UF loses the biggest game in state history, then I'm going to go to Gator Clause and have a laugh, or three. There is nothing wrong (IMO) with poking fun at a rival on a public forum. I try to stay on the fun side of the issue, and I never pretend to be someone else when I'm doing it!

Go 'canes!

[86Cane]

I'm just going to post the way I do about The U and that's it.

Posted by: bg1906 | March 04, 2010 at 02:10 PM

I think that's a great idea. U got dragged in WAY too deep my friend. Time to let it go and move on.

It's all about this U!

Don't ever forget that...

[bg1906]

I've learned what I'm going to do. I'm going to ONLY keep it Canes. I hate this situation because I garnered personal relationships from Canespace. I feel SO caught in the middle and I'm not liking it one bit. I'm 36 yrs old, but never to old to learn. I'm just going to post the way I do about The U and that's it. No more being friends, because friends don't treat each other like this. Its so UGLY!

[mi@mic@ne]

Guys we are in the fourth quarter and its time to come together cause the NC party is next. Its about these playas not us... go C A N E S

[solarcane]

for the fans by the fans to me means

University of Miami, ESPN, Raycom, etc. don't have a say how it's run

86Cane being a fan and owning the blog DOES have a say how it's run.

86Cane the writers and contributors are the "by the fans"

The casual readers, commenter's, and guests are the "for the fans"

This isn't about freedom of speech, civil rights, picking fights, and bullying people.
It never had to get to the point great friendships were injured, or people's feelings got hurt.

I love to drive over a 100 mph.
I can either pay the ticket without bitching, and continue to drive a 100 or I can chill to 70 when I see the same cop again.

It's life

[86Cane]

Then it honestly never is going to end and it will remain to be the way it is. If you really want it to end as well, you'll have to stop with the messages and stuff to those parties in private. If it REALLY is going to die and be over with, then you have to REALLY let it die as well, publicly and privately.

Posted by: bg1906 | March 04, 2010 at 01:56 PM

The ONLY people I have emailed are MM01 and RandyCane because MM01 has been posting under FAKE names and trying to trash the blog. That had to be addressed. Other than that I have been silent.

Time to take this OFF the blog. Email if you want to continue. Nobody else here cares about this nonsense!

[FightingIbis]

Does that help?

Posted by: 86Cane | March 04, 2010 at 01:33 PM

I guess.

Just sayin that something doesn't add it. You say this site is for the fans by the fans but yet you're very quick to protect Manny because of some secret pack you have or some vision of where you want this blog to go. Could we get an idea of what you're trying to do with the site since we the fans help this thing go?

I come here because it isn't like the moderated blogs of the SS or Herald aand it isn't like Cokesnort or the BS recruiting sites. But keep us in the loop.

I've got no problem with you making money. You bust your ass and should make money. Hell I wouldn't have a problem spending money to help out your costs. But tell us fans what vision is so we can help. For the fans by the fans!

[mi@mic@ne]

Was this about after hours blogging? Ive been away...

[86Cane]

From Heather at ESPN:

MIAMI

The Canes went two hours in full pads and will practice again on Friday before having a closed scrimmage on Saturday. Miami finished practice working in 9-on-9 situations with some special teams work sprinkled in between the two periods. UM also worked on field goal protection before ending practice working in 11-on-11, blitz and third-down team situations.

Highlights

Senior defensive back DeMarcus Van Dyke had an interception during the blitz period.

Junior quarterback Spencer Whipple found Kendal Thompkins for a nice gain of more than 20 yards over the middle.

Junior wide receiver LaRon Byrd ended the blitz period with a grab as he snatched a ball thrown by Stephen Morris out of the air over three defenders.

[bg1906]

Not gonna happen. This blog article was my one attempt to address the issues, clear the air, offer an apology and get back to normal operations. If it works fine. If it doesn't then I tried my best.

Mistakes were made, feeling were hurt, and now apologies have been offered. Lets be adults about this and move on.

Everyone is welcome back. Nobody is banned if they agree to follow blog rules. I'm not gonna debate that or the issues.

It ends here, today. This is NOT a soap opera. This is a sports blog. Get over it already.

New blog will be up later getting us back to sports. End of the story...blog on!

Posted by: 86Cane | March 04, 2010 at 01:49 PM

Then it honestly never is going to end and it will remain to be the way it is. If you really want it to end as well, you'll have to stop with the messages and stuff to those parties in private. If it REALLY is going to die and be over with, then you have to REALLY let it die as well, publicly and privately.

[bg1906]

Bridgewater.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/video/recruiting-football/amp-bridgewater-impressive-at-elite-11-93537

[FightingIbis]

Ne one sell cars on the east coast? im shopping

Posted by: PhillyCane | March 04, 2010 at 12:10 PM

Whatcha lookin to buy? I'm in tight with the GM at Schumacher.

[j.w.]

But this site has allowed dissenting points of view, always. Asking posters to say what they want, but be respectful towards others and try to avoid really just a couple of topics has been the rule, right?

[86Cane]

Maybe its time to just FULLY address everything all the allegations, all the missteps and EVERYTHING in the court of public opinion. I really believe that. A town hall session so to speak.

Posted by: bg1906 | March 04, 2010 at 01:28 PM

Not gonna happen. This blog article was my one attempt to address the issues, clear the air, offer an apology and get back to normal operations. If it works fine. If it doesn't then I tried my best.

Mistakes were made, feeling were hurt, and now apologies have been offered. Lets be adults about this and move on.

Everyone is welcome back. Nobody is banned if they agree to follow blog rules. I'm not gonna debate that or the issues.

It ends here, today. This is NOT a soap opera. This is a sports blog. Get over it already.

New blog will be up later getting us back to sports. End of the story...blog on!

[mi@mic@ne]

U

[CGNC]

carolinacane - LOL the weather here blows lately that's for sure. Sick of it! Ithink Marylou sent it down from Michigan...LOL

[GURU]

where in georgia solar?

[Sy-Cane]

Sorry to add to my comment above....those who contributed were also disciplined/banned/admonished/what have you, and feel they should be given a courtesy to speak their position.

I for one had a chance to read the Truth's beef, before it was deleted, so I can see where he's coming from.

[CGNC]

Like if I had grown up in Canada I might really dig hockey...(Did I just say that?? What a nightmare) even though I would still be American.

Posted by: Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer | March 04, 2010 at 11:45 AM

Cav! U would love hockey! NHL in person is great

[Sy-Cane]

I would agree with BG's comments, only because Solar and Tom asked for contribution to keep the 'Space alive, and some of the people who did contribute, did it out of the sheer goodness in their heart to keep this place going with no personal agenda.

Otherwise, it's Tom's blog and his rules.

[bg1906]

Tom

I say that because many feel the blog last night ONLY covers your side and does not let anyone speak their true feelings and their side. They feel if they try to speak their side you will delete them. I say don't delete them, lets get it ALL OUT so we can HOPEFULLY move forward.

This is what I really feel needs to happen.

[86Cane]

It's either for the fans by the fans or it's 86's house where he's looking to go further with this blog. It can't be both!

Posted by: FightingIbis | March 04, 2010 at 01:26 PM

This may help to clarify: It IS "For the Fans, By the Fans" because the FANS, not the media, write all of the articles here providing fan driven and fan based content for all to enjoy.

It is NOT because any fan can say anything they want here or turn the blog into their personal platform or bully others.

Does that help?

[GURU]

fritz pollard and bobby marshall first black pro football players

[bg1906]

Posted by: FightingIbis | March 04, 2010 at 01:26 PM

Absolutely! Very good point and is in fact a small part of entirely MUCH bigger situation and issue.

[Six]

For any Bucs fans out there, for what it's worth, talked to Josh Freeman and he said that he talks with Suh a lot ... said Suh wants to be a Buc badly. Would be nice seeing him and Roy Miller next to each other in the middle of that DLine

Hope it happens, but I don't know if the Rams will pass on him with the 1st pick. I have a bad feeling with Spagnuolo he'll take Suh, even though everyone says the Rams need a QB. All those years under Jim Johnson with the Iggles, I'm thinking Spags stays defensive with the 1st pick

Everyone knows the Lions aren't taking a QB with the 2nd pick, so welcome to the Motor City Gerald McCoy or maybe Okung or Bulaga to help protect Stafford on the OLine

[bg1906]

Tom.

There is still so much going on behind the scenes. Maybe its time to just FULLY address everything all the allegations, all the missteps and EVERYTHING in the court of public opinion. I really believe that. A town hall session so to speak. On Canespace, I'm tired of hearing it one way from this groups, one way from that group. Lets get EVERYONE together and see what it really is.

That's how I feel. This whole thing as Truth would say is Stupid and as Bryce would say, some wack a$$ BS!

[86Cane]

I'm glad I found a place that isn't moderated and will let you voice your opinion, whether it be good or bad, within reason.

Posted by: carolina cane | March 04, 2010 at 01:06 PM

Carolina...thanks for your support. Post here, post often!

[FightingIbis]

86

This is your house-party, you should never have to apologize for asking people to not jump up and down on the sofa.

Posted by: Gin & Tonic | March 04, 2010 at 10:21 AM

Thank U for that comment. It reflects the way I feel.

Posted by: SOUP | March 04, 2010 at 11:37 AM

I think this is problem in a nutshell. Is this your house or is it a blog for the fans by the fans? You can't have your cake and eat it too.

It's either for the fans by the fans or it's 86's house where he's looking to go further with this blog. It can't be both!

You can't say something is for the fans by the fans while you have dreams of making it something else entirely.

[Six]

solar - Chris Fuamatu-Ma'afala, remember him with the Steelers?

Duke is a cooler first name though

Toe Nash - phenom player for the Rays
Webster Slaughter - Browns
Taco Wallace - played for Kansas State
Mookie Wilson - Mets
Coco Crisp - idiot
Milton Bradley - nutjob
Rusty Kuntz - Tigers
Ron Tugnutt - goalie in NHL

[Six]

canechic - I've fallen asleep before with baseball on the television, it's relaxing sometimes and isn't something where the guys hit each other on every single play .. so that's normal

But, when you do have a sport where guys are hitting each other on every single play and still are bored out of your mind watching it or sit there thinking what else could you be doing - that's bad

Case in point:

Week 17 - Bears vs Lions, Jags vs Browns, Colts vs Bills

Week 16 - Raiders vs Browns, Lions vs Niners, Chiefs vs Bengals

Week 15 - Falcons vs Jets, Texans vs Rams, Bucs vs Seahawks

Week 14 - Steelers vs Browns, Bills vs Chiefs, Redskins vs Raiders

Week 13 - Bucs vs Panthers, Bengals vs Lions, Seahawks vs Niners, Bears vs Rams

You get my point. There were plenty more from Week 12 on down. When a sport with such controlled violence as football bores you, that's a problem. A lot of the time, I only cared about a couple of those games b/c I had a fantasy football player going in it. I love Frank Gore and all, but damn are the Niners boring to watch on offense when they don't give it to him. The Lions make anyone want to take their own life. The Seahawks are the same, even with Kelly Jennings out there. The Jags are pure snooze material, every game. Redskins are the same, even with Portis/Moss/Rocky Mac on it. Unless those 3 are getting the ball on a consistent basis - yawn

[solarcane]

is lives in NC

^^ geezus I been in Georgia wayyy too long

I'm out catch you guys tonight