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August 19, 2010

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moneycane

Solar what up man. How far are you from Athens? I suck at it, but I wanna try and do some fishing, and the wife wants to go camping.

TJL

Dis anyone catch "Hard Knocks" with the NY Jets last night? The brainiac from FSU Antonio Cromartie was talking about his EIGHT KIDS!! He's like 25 years old!!!! He couldn't remember all their names either. Apparently he received an awesome education at FSU..

TJL

DID!! lol, I guess I didn't either!!

solarcane

Hi money, I'm around an Hour and a few minutes from Athens.

If your wife likes camping Unicoi State Park is fantastic,
It's right by my house.

The fishing is sweet, and Helen is litterly a 1 mile hike down the trail from your campsite

http://www.gastateparks.org/Unicoi

Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer

Hi Cav

Thanks. I am cautious. As talented as these players are they did not win their division in the ACC last year. I am not ready to annoint them favorites to win the ACC before they show me they can do that. And they will have to face two great rushing teams in GT and VT to get there.

Defense wins championships. I really believe that. They were improved in 2009 but they weren't a shutdown defense. Since 2002, the defense can't seem to stop running quarterbacks or tight ends. They give up way too many big plays on special teams. Until that changes, I can't sit here and say this team is national championship caliber.

It is not that I don't think these players are talented because they are very talented. But I sort of believe you win or lose games by dominating the middle of the field on both sides of the ball. I think the middle linebacker is the most important position on defense against strong rushing teams and I don't like the fact that we took like 10 linebackers in the 2008 class and yet we have to move someone over from running back to take over that position who lacks experience. I'd rather see someone like Futch play MLB that K Rob. Hopefully I am wrong but this concerns me.

>>>>>>

I understand your concerns about what you saw last year but that's just the point--last year. Last year you still had a bunch of Cokerites in critical positions all over the field and you had still immature Shannonites showing flashes of brilliance then flickering out here and there.

So the real question is what's changed and how much has it changed?

We can look at several examples with other teams in recent years OR we can look at the U's history to see just what the formula for dominance is.

Everything you said about this team last year and what "real winners" do applied to 1999.

It could also apply to the 1985 version.

So what's the key to the lock?? After watching and studying CFB over the last few years it's fairly clear what that formula is, regardless of team.

1)Maturation, physical and mental.

2)Coaching stability and continuity in a system.

3)And last but certainly not least for Hurricane Football- TALENT.

But team's like Boise and PSU can win with just #1 and #2.

So, the formula, the ingredients are clear.

This team has all the above, with only a legit weakness at LB, although the starting three will apparently be Spence-CMac-Buchanon, which is legit. Futch, Cornelius, K-Rob, Holton, Green and a few others will come off the bench and while not as solid as 1st team, they won't be Cook's and Sharptons.

Even the OL is stronger and deeper than it's been since 2001.

And anytime you see a guy who's been in his 3rd year at a position SWITCH SIDES OF THE BALL, you know some talent is coming in.

It's happened before, here and elsewhere. I can understand people saying "show me" but if you see a pattern why pretend it's a one-time event?

Zakkee

Watching this Champs Sports debacle again (10th time altogether..I turn it off alot) and noticed something else: for those that called Thearon Collier "average"...I'd bet that anyone who had never seen us play until this game last year, would believe that Pimp was by far our best WR.

Love watching 18 year old Olivier Vernon shedding the blocks of 21 & 22 year old 300+ pounders and making plays in the backfield!

moneycane

Thanks solar. I've heard a bit about Helen. I gotta run but I need to get up with you. hit me up @ moneycane21@yahoo.com with your email info.

Sebastian

TarHeel Fr. DT Brandon Willis is leaving the program

He had been with the team throughout the summer

This kid went from Lane(Tn) to Butch and now is said to be heading to UCLA and Slick Rick

Thats quite the trio

solarcane

for those that called Thearon Collier "average"...I'd bet that anyone who had never seen us play until this game last year, would believe that Pimp was by far our best WR.


He was, he gave it everything he had, he was clutch in games even with outside distractions.

I think he goes on to have a successful football career.


solarcane

sebas,
A realitive of mine in Carolina said the Tarheels are adding crome or silver hemets to their already comical pajama unis, maybe Willis got a sneak peak and said "oh hell naw!"

solarcane

hemets < lol, I been in Ga too long!!!

SJMPARMAN

Cav

I don't want to get into an argument or anything. We do just disagree at where this team is on several fronts. I don't dispute the talent. I do wonder about the leadership and the maturation.

I am also not sure that CMAC in the middle is a done deal. If it was then why did we waste 2 weeks of training camp with K Rob there, including two of three scrimmages? And Randy did not see CMAC was being moved to middle linebacker permanently, he said they were practicing nickle and CMAC plays the middle in nickle. I am not sure that CMAC has the body to stand a full season at MLB either.

If a player switches his position after three years it means he wasn't good enough to win that position he had to switch from. If he was so talented, he should have been able to win his old position. If he switches to a position he has played before, you don't have the same concerns. But you don't switch a tight end to the quarterback slot when he has only played it two plays in his life. And you don't switch an offensive guy to the quarterback of your defense.

I think the one thing that sort of bothers me about your view is that just because we are Miami, and we have won before, the thinking is that we will automatically do it again. I think the players think that way too. What I am saying is until they realize they have to prove themselves every game and every play, and that they can't stand on ghost of Miami past but have to establish their own presence, that they are not there yet.

On the BC thing, I listed coaches that I thought had the ability to bring out the best in their players. I deliberately omitted Coker. BC should never have been in that game with the talent we had.

Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer

SJM continues with his level headed observations.

Every season, we get better at certain positions, players mature, the light goes on etc.

>>>>>>

Yes and no. Lamar Miller or JJ....Storm or Coop...Mike James, Damien Berry...

RR or Randy Phillips??

It's more than just every year players improving. This is an entirely different level of athlete.

And most importantly, for the last two years true freshmen and sophomores were THE playmakers on this team, except Hank and Bailey last year.

It's easy to generalize and say something is level-headed only because it's cautious.

But level-headed to me means taking into consideration all the factors, esp. past patterns of success and failure.

And the funny thing is every question/doubt people have of Us is a legitimate question of OSU, but for some reason OSU gets a pass, even though they lost to Purdue and barely beat NAVY last year.

I wonder what y'all would be saying about Shannon and this team if that had happened last year to the U??

But OSU is magically exempt and so talented, even though a superifical glance at the depth charts or ANY game last year shows they're solid not dangerous at any position, esp. not QB.

But when OSU played their best, guess what, they had a bunch of seniors leading the way.

Funny how often that works isn't it..haha

Then again, they really got stomped when they had a bunch of seniors leading the way, a Heisman Trophy winner nontheless.

haha

solarcane

Coastal Division Commitment List
Rivals and Scout Star rating

http://www.accsports.com/articles/201008198329/acc-football-commitment-lists-coastal-division-august-19.php

Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer

And I guess it's "level-headed" to assume OSU will mature enough to go undefeated and win a NC but it's somehow NOT level-headed to assume the U will mature and roll through a far more difficult schedule than OSU's??

Yeah, stay level-headed, haha

solarcane

CaptO.

I never said OSU is going to go undefeated although their schedule gives them a good shot.

I never said we will go undefeated, our schedule is murder.

and yea I think I stay pretty level headed on college football.

Zakkee

http://miamisouthpaw.blogspot.com/2009/08/ghosts-of-orange-bowl-bernard-clark.html

Some football players have a knack for playing their best in big games. Former University of Miami linebacker Bernard Clark was one of those clutch athletes. He wasn't an All American. He played briefly in the NFL as a backup linebacker. You won't find his name on the list of great Hurricane linebackers like Ray Lewis, Dan Morgan or Micheal Barrow. But when national championships were at stake, no linebacker in UM history took his game to a higher level than Bernard Clark.

The 1989 UM football season was about redemption. Jimmy Johnson had left UM to become the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys. Dennis Erickson was brought in from Washington State to become the new Canes head coach. The young men who made up the 1985 recruiting class were now fifth year seniors. This group was determined to leave UM on top. But to do this, they would have to beat Notre Dame. For Bernard Clark, this game was personal. Notre Dame had beaten Miami thanks to a controversial fumble call on Canes fullback Cleveland Gary in the fourth quarter in 1988. Notre Dame won the national championship and 23 consecutive games. Miami players believed the championship was stolen from them. They would not let it happen again.

On November 25, 1989, the Orange Bowl was in a frenzy. A then-record crowd of 81,634 packed the stadium. Notre Dame head coach Lou Holtz would call it the loudest and most hostile atmosphere he had ever seen. But the Orange Bowl crowd was the least of Notre Dame's worries. Bernard Clark and the Hurricane defense would turn in one of its greatest performances. After Miami took a 10-0 lead, the Irish answered with ten points of their own. Late in the second quarter, Notre Dame linebacker Ned Bolcar intercepted a Craig Erickson pass and returned it for a touchdown to tie the score at 10-10. Notre Dame appeared to capture the momentum and had the Canes on their heels. Then, all of a sudden, Bernard Clark took over the game. With less than two minutes left in the half, Notre Dame quarterback Tony Rice threw a pass in the right flat in the direction of tight end Derek Brown. Clark cut in front of Brown, intercepted the pass and returned it all the way to the Notre Dame 5-yard line. Three plays later, UM fullback Stephen McGuire scored and the Canes took a 17-10 lead and never looked back. The Hurricanes won 27-10 and Clark made an astounding 17 tackles. He dominated from start to finish, making the first and last tackles of the game. It is still the best game I've ever seen played by a University of Miami linebacker. Down went Notre Dame's 23-game win streak and the Canes would capture their third national title.

Bernard "Tiger" Clark is the player that made me a diehard Cane for life. He was hard-nosed, not prototypical, and had to overcome alot, but always rose to the occasion. As an 11 year old kid in Cleveland his performance that night in the OB resonated with me. They way he played was very Cleveland: blue-collar, tough, passionate, and determined to withstand adversity...a survivor. First of all, I don't remember how I convinced my dad and 4 other siblings to let me watch this game with only one TV in the house, but thank God my dad let me! My region is Browns and Buckeye country exclusively and why would a kid like me take to these Hurricanes??? It was the Us against the world mentality, villain and underdog role that I still love to this day. I always root for the misunderstood and down trodden. If the media loves them...I hate them (Duke, Cowboys, Yankees, Celtics, Notre Dame, The Big Ten, The Suckeyes etc..) Started watching sports around '85 and all my favorite teams until this day were the villains of this time period: Georgetown Hoyas, Chicago Bears, and the Miami Hurricanes (also loved the Oakland A's "bash brothers" Canseco & McGwuire). Loved the Road Warriors (NWA) as well..lol!

I remember the announcers jokingly saying (before kickoff) that Clark needed double digit tackles for UM to have a chance against Tony Rice and the option. They didn't believe he could, but knew he was the key to that game. He had 17 and that pick 6...wow! He was gimpy and dirty after that game, but he was a hero and The Hurricanes picked up a lifelong fan because of his efforts!

I think he's the LB coach at Pitt, so we'll see him on September 23rd.

Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer

SJM, obviously you don't switch a guy from TE to QB. I was referring to Chambers move to DB. Chambers was no slouch, he was just injured so much he never got in a groove. In come these frosh and he's done. That's talent coming in and that was my point.

I have some concerns about C-Mac's long term durability at the Mike only because of his past shoulder injuries but everything is pointing to K-Rob becoming a solid roleplayer #2 guy.

The first five games are the gauntlet. If we make it through those unscathed, undefeated, the youngins will have valuable experience and then have a few lighter games to get more minutes.

But by the same token that you're worried about his durability he could go through the entire season at the Mike and be perfectly fine.

The biggest help for him are the DTs. As long as he spends the majority of his time hitting RBs and maybe FBs he should be fine. It's the guards that cause problems when you're 230 and they're 310+.

Zakkee

Tiger Clark is the personification of a player being "coached up".

solarcane

Zakee and Six,

This ones for you
LMAO everytime I watch this !!
(12 million hits! )


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCdmiZyyGjQ&feature=related

www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000117339359

Wait..Pause..Timeout..Flag on the Play...

I wanna change my picks..


Offense: Storm
Defense: Vernon
Special: Lamar

Final Answer...12%er

solarcane

But by the same token that you're worried about his durability he could go through the entire season at the Mike and be perfectly fine

Were talking about Colin making it through an entire season without getting dented ??

He plays too hard not to dislocate something by midseason, Capt. imo

Zakkee

I personally don't compare OSU and UM expectations, because we aren't OSU fans. I really don't care about what happened to them last year or what they need to work on. Everyone's focus and posts are about the Canes and what OUR team needs to focus or work on. Nobody has said that OSU is "All-World"...they've been saying that WE are not "All-World". There's a difference...they're critiquing their team...not another team.

VACane

Defense: Brandon Harris
Offense: J12

Soup thanks for the e mail about the shirt, I am pumped. Been very busy, appraising houses has really picked up and my boys are working hard in the Virginia heat and humidity. My kids 13 with a few 14 yr olds, have 3 regular seasons undefeated (8 games each) 3 playoffs undefeated (3 games each) and 3 SBs in a row, so they are on a roll with 36 games in a row, 3 titles and going for a fourth title this year. These kids are special. Also, 1 of my former players, 6' 8" Morgan Moses should play alot of OT for UVA.

I am cautiously optimistic about this year; the OL sounds like it is getting better, it is the real key to our offense. We have tons of talent to score, we have to block. Defense we need great LB play; somebody has to cover the damn tight ends. I listen to a station out of Charlottesville; they talk alot about all the ACC teams and interview former ACC guys. Lots of talk about VT, FSU, Clemson...not so much us. I love that, you know classic JJ: us against the world. Good, we dont need to be talked about, we will show them on the field tween the lines!!!

SJMPARMAN

I met Tiger a couple of times after games at the U. I used to go to the campus and meet the team bus back from the airport. I remember one time he went way out of his way to come over to us and say hi and just talk to us as fans. A brute one the field but the nicest guy you would ever want to meet off of it. Great guy. And he needed no coaching he was fire personified.

Zakkee

Lol..solar! my favs were: Obamaniqua, Congratulatiana (or whatever the said..lol) and Koolaidria!

Six

solar - I just forwarded that to a bunch of people at work .... it's awesome

Zakkee

http://bleacherreport.com/users/312447-puppet-master
Ohio State will win the national championship if they don't stumble along the way, the Buckeyes play a relentless and difficult schedule this year. I feel the only thing that can stop Ohio State from winning it all in 2010 is the bruising schedule, the Buckeyes are the best team in the country.

This is from "a guy" called the puppet master on the bleacherreport site.

WTH is he thinking!

Someone please help me with this: If the Buckeyes schedule is "relentless", "difficult", and "bruising"....what do you call ours????

If anybody has time to waste...please blast this dude.

Six

LeGarrette Blount punched a teammate at practice

Ya, of course things get heated in training camp .. people are out to make the team, jobs are on the line, it's hot and nasty out there

But if this idiot doesn't think that people know about his past during that Boise State game and aren't going to try & push him to get a reaction just like this - he's an even bigger idiot than ever


Six

Zakkee - I'll tell you what I've told anyone that reads that Bleacher Report garbage ... it's Bleacher Report - enough said

Anyone and everyone that has a computer or that has access to one (Kinko's, Library, Internet Cafe, Mom's basement) - can write on there about anything they want and then call themselves "analysts" or whatever the hell else they come up with

That website is nothing but Cool Whip on a cow sh*t pie to try and make it look tasty

SJMPARMAN

Ohio State has to play Iowa and Wisconsin on the road, and they play us. Iowa might have the best front four in all of college football, and they return a pretty good quarterback in Skanzi. Wisconsin physically dominated Ohio State last year and that is why they are scared of that game. They interpret that they have 2 road games to mean they have a difficult schedule.

Like the SEC, the Big Ten teams usually play cupcakes OOC. They never get penalized for it so they keep doing it.

VACane

Here is a Cane story for you guys. 2001... I went home to SW VA from Richmond to visit my parents. Me and my father (retired FBI, played on 1951 Rams championship team)went to see VT UM play in Bburg. Dad always got sideline passes for UM game. Kickoff at 1:30, but since he is FBI, we get there about 10 am, hang out with a lot of state troopers, cops, etc that I have known since a kid, eat and just enjoy the weather. About 11:30 Lynn Swann comes walking down through the end zone where we are standing, black turtleneck on, arrogant pretty boy attitude. A bunch of kids were asking for a graph, he looks right past them, like they were not there, keeps walking. I yelled real loud "You do not want that pu**ys autograph, he's a loser... he was scared to death of The Raiders, especially George Atkinson, but most of all Jack Tatum "The Assassin"!!!..."He was afraid to cross the middle, heck he faked being hurt so he did not have to play"!! Those kids busted out laughing, and old Swann whipped that head around and looked at me...if looks could kill, I would be dead!! I looked at him and said "Truth hurts don't it, those kids know it too"!! He never signed nothing for the kids, and they booed him, gave him some real s**t!! A class jerk.

So later on, we are standing in the Miami end zone, Mckinney and Gonzalez are out there, no shoulder pads, pushing each others shoulders, stretching...I look at pop and say, "watch this, I am going after Mount Mckinney" I walk over about 3 yards away and stand there. I swear, it was dark...those 2 cats blocked out the sun!! I walked back to my dad...he said, "what was that"? I said "did you see how big those 2 are"? They were!!!

Miami beat VT in a thriller, and they had roses on the field, cause they earned the right to play Nebraska in the Rose. Portis had a great day, so did KD. I got KD and Mckinneys graph, and Portis; Portis talked to me about a minute, and was so cool, a great guy!!! That was a great day, hope you enjoy the story. The Assassin was my guy of all time got his graph a long time ago.. (RIP) and if you could have seen the anger....and fear in Swanns face...Jack put the fear of God in him way after they finished playing...IMO!! Hope we have some Assassin hits this season, go Ray Ray, Go Canes!!

SJMPARMAN

Great story VA! I hate it when these stars don't acknowledge the fans who made them what they are. You have some real bollocks to walk up to McKinney, lol. You lucky he didn't give you an airplane spin, lol.

VACane

I walked up and just stood there so my pop, who is pretty good size, could see how that Mount McKinney and Gonzalez were...well...Giants!!!!! They were huge!!! I never said a word, just watched!!!They never noticed me. After the game, McKinney was pretty soft spoken, and was very nice to sign.

86Cane

Ferman picked:

Thompkins / Buchanon

Manny picked:

Hankerson / Bailey

I told the Mandingo they were ineligible. He then told me...well, U don't wanna know what he told me!

VACane

Guess I gotta pick again too, d**n you 86!!!
ok I pick Offense Ford
Defense Ojomo

I love all the guys, past, present and future, but I was a guy who was told he was too small to play, but I did it anyway...my favorite Cane of all time...Rohan Marley!!! What a great player...he was a hitter for sure!!

86Cane

Thanks solar. I've heard a bit about Helen. I gotta run but I need to get up with you. hit me up @ moneycane21@yahoo.com with your email info.

Posted by: moneycane | August 20, 2010 at 08:54 PM

Solar...Money and his wife Nicki are good people. Very cool and down to earth.

86Cane

Tiger Clark is the personification of a player being "coached up".

Posted by: Zakkee | August 20, 2010 at 09:46 PM

There IT is right there.

86Cane

Guess I gotta pick again too, d**n you 86!!!

Posted by: VACane | August 20, 2010 at 11:41 PM

Funny, everyone tells me that but I don't know why?

Nashvillecane

That website is nothing but Cool Whip on a cow sh*t pie to try and make it look tasty

Posted by: Six | August 20, 2010 at 10:31 PM

LOLOLOLOL...plez vault this statement

86Cane

Did someone say Rohan Marley? Canespace exclusive, from back in July 2007, written by Aqua:

http://canespace.typepad.com/canespace/2007/07/rohan-marley-le.html

86Cane

Marley, Part II, by Aqua:

http://canespace.typepad.com/canespace/2007/07/legend-of-the-f.html

86Cane

Marley, Part III, by Aqua:

http://canespace.typepad.com/canespace/2007/08/legends-of-the-.html

86Cane

Nothing good happens after midnight...

Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer

along the way, the Buckeyes play a relentless and difficult schedule this year. I feel the only thing that can stop Ohio State from winning it all in 2010 is the bruising schedule, the Buckeyes are the best team in the country.

This is from "a guy" called the puppet master on the bleacherreport site.

WTH is he thinking!

Someone please help me with this: If the Buckeyes schedule is "relentless", "difficult", and "bruising"....what do you call ours????

If anybody has time to waste...please blast this dude.

Posted by: Zakkee | August 20, 2010 at 10:23 PM

>>>>>>

My thoughts exactly. OSU could drop three this year but they only play three legit teams.

Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer

LeGarrette Blount punched a teammate at practice

Ya, of course things get heated in training camp .. people are out to make the team, jobs are on the line, it's hot and nasty out there

But if this idiot doesn't think that people know about his past during that Boise State game and aren't going to try & push him to get a reaction just like this - he's an even bigger idiot than ever


Posted by: Six | August 20, 2010 at 10:26 PM

>>>>>>>>

Yeah, homey needs to some therapy or something..punching a teammate when you're one of the elder statesmen. Stupid.

VACane

86, thanks for putting these back up...I copied them, made them a PDF and put in my docs. Great Stuff about a great player!!!

Chi Mia 'Cane '98

My LOF:

Offense: K Thompkins
Defense: J Futch

SOUP

Lions on the Serengeti...

The "U" is America's team

Nice picks @chi

I think Futch and Cookie are gonna be the truth this year.

Oh yeah soup, i'm waiting patiently on the Lacee post. LMAO.

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