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November 29, 2010

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raizecane

RIP - Leslie Nielsen

SOUP

Comments are now back to the previous order (oldest first, newest last).

I kept the 100 comments per page feature which will make this MUCH better.

SOUP

RIP - Leslie Nielsen

Posted by: raizecane | November 29, 2010 at 09:42 AM

"Surely U must be kidding? I am not kidding and please, don't call me Shirley."

One of the greatest lines ever!

RIP Mr. Neilsen...

SOUP

I rooted for Shannon. I admit it. The greatest misconception most sports fans have of sports journalists is that we wish ill of the local teams or coaches. It isn't true.

We prefer to write about good stuff, about happy, about wins and champions.

I rooted for Shannon beyond that, though. Some of it was my knowing him since he was an undersized, overachieving linebacker for the Canes in the '80s, but most of it was simply hoping a native son, born and raised in Miami, would succeed in his beloved backyard.


Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/11/28/1947770/shannon-leaves-um-with-a-strong.html#ixzz16gKIUJTg

dj moonbat

Well, I always knew that Randy knew -- better than anybody -- what made 'Canes football tick. I guess what I forgot is that there are some people who Can Do, but Can't Teach. Those kids on the field, with a few exceptions, just never seemed to develop that Miami killer instinct.

So Shannon had to go.

Best of luck, Randy. You were a class act, doomed to be misunderstood because of the very same isolated and tough persona that got you through Miami's mean streets.

DZ8

Good post dj moonbat.

Lou of M

All the blame should not go on randy.. I love how money isnt an matter now that we need to find a new head coach. This univ needs to stop being cheap and put more money into the Fb program. Their is a saying in spanish that goes.. lo barato sale caro. basically what ever you buy cheap comes out expensive at the end. i hope they pay the head coach and the staff he needs to make this u run.

SOUP

FROM THE VAULT:

Whenever you're inclined to doubt, just ask yourself: "Who knows more about what makes 'Canes football tick -- me, or Randy Shannon?" That should make you feel better.

Posted by: dj moonbat | June 14, 2007 at 15:44

SOUP

There is a saying in Spanish that goes..."lo barato sale caro." Basically what ever you buy cheap comes out expensive at the end. I hope they pay the head coach and the staff he needs to make this U run.

Posted by: Lou of M | November 29, 2010 at 09:55 AM

Growing up in Miami and being married to a Cuban woman I have heard this saying MANY times. More often than not it turns out to be true.

The second part of your comment is more telling though. It's not just the $3 million for the Head Coach, it's another $3 million for assistant coaches and another $4 million for a larger recruiting budget and better/newer facilities on campus.

As Six will tell U Miami needs a F/T recruiting coordinator at $250K/year like most other big time programs, not a P/T assistant trying to do both jobs.

It is a $10 million dollar total makeover project per year, not just $3 Million for the lead dog.

Bottom Line? U get what U pay for.

Bottom Line? U can pay me now, or U can pay me later.

But either way U are gonna pay me!

canes

K

CGNC

Glad the blog is running smoothly again LOL.

dj moonbat

As Six will tell U Miami needs a F/T recruiting coordinator at $250K/year like most other big time programs, not a P/T assistant trying to do both jobs.

Posted by: SOUP | November 29, 2010 at 10:04 AM


It's tough for me to find much fault with Miami's recruiting, though. Compare the kids on the field now vs. the ones Clappy brought in, fergawdsake.

The real problem is that by pushing recruiting onto your coaching staff, the COACHING suffers. If Randy and his staff had been able to push recruiting to the periphery, and focus on getting the existing 'Canes "coached up," maybe things would have been better.

But I'm starting to think not. Randy, unlike a lot of 'Canes of the past, didn't seem to have much bravado. He just wanted to be the best. It's tough to convince a bunch of 18 year old boys that they should become badasses -- but not to revel in it, but instead focus on becoming that much MORE of a badass.

That's what the Twitter thing was all about, I think: Randy trying to communicate to these dopes that the "Cane thing" is not about being a celebrity in a pimp suit; it's about being the BEST. He just went about it all wrong.

Why? Because he's trapped inside his own experience, like just about everybody else.

CGNC

Good morning! what is the "strong chatter" today?

Posted by: CGNC | November 29, 2010 at 08:56 AM

Word on the skreet is that a cold front is expected on Wednesday. Temperatures expected to drop overnight and into Thursday, wind shifting to the NW.

Posted by: SOUP | November 29, 2010 at 09:02 AM

LOL! Good to know. Tonight here it will be in the 20's

IraqiCane

New Manny...http://miamiherald.typepad.com/umiami/2010/11/making-sense-of-gruden-coaching-search.html

Go Canes

SOUP

To watch the press conference click here and look for the video link:

http://hurricanesports.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/112810aaa.html

CGNC

for your reading enjoyment

http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2010/11/29/1841901/the-curious-index-11-29-2010

CGNC

more enjoyable reading

http://www.seventhfloorblog.com/2010/11/29/1841818/jon-gruden-or-someone-else-who-knows-madness-thread-monday#comments

SOUP

Here is who I believe based on what credible sources have told me and other reporters here at The Herald who have covered UM in the past: Montreal Alouette's coach Marc Trestman (former UM offensive coordinator); Georgia's Mark Richt; former USF coach Jim Leavitt; Texas Tech's Tommy Tuberville (he was the hot name last year for UM); Mississippi State coach Dan Mullen; and UConn's Randy Edsall.

Yes, Richt said Sunday he has no interest in leaving Georgia. But he just had a 6-6 season. He played at UM and may be able to be sold on the come home and be a hero scenario. And if UM is really going to pony up big cash -- we heard upwards of $3 million per for a coach it really wants -- then why wouldn't he at least listen?

To me, the most intriguing potential candidates are Mullen and Edsall.

Mullen is making $1.2 million at Mississippi State through 2013. He's 38 years old, hungry and has quickly turned Mississippi State into a respectable program in a tough SEC West.

Edsall, 52, has been at UConn since 1999 and has made a basketball school excited about its football program. He's only 69-69, but the Huskies have been really competitive without much of a recruiting base. They shared the Big East title in 2007. Edsall makes $1.3 million a year.

Read more: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/umiami/2010/11/making-sense-of-gruden-coaching-search.html?cid=6a00d83451b26169e20147e03d0b08970b#comment-6a00d83451b26169e20147e03d0b08970b#ixzz16gZBLf00

IraqiCane

What do y'all think of Mississippi State coach Dan Mullen?

SuperCooper

I seriously doubt they are going after Trestman, Leavitt. After Hocutt's comments, they just don't fit. UM wants a homerun hire, they aren't it.

Mullen would be a good choice if the Gruden talks fall through

canes

one

Lou of M

no to tommy t too...

SOUP

What do y'all think of Mississippi State coach Dan Mullen?

Posted by: IraqiCane | November 29, 2010 at 10:30 AM

Good coach. Home run? Not so much...

dj moonbat

I could see Trestman. He has a quality resume, including some real success at UM. But he's mostly a technocrat. The U is going to want to find somebody fiery.

Leavitt? No way.

Richt? Not unless he's fearful that the boosters are going to do to HIM what just happened to Shannon. Why would the U want to hire a coach who's running scared? Doesn't add up.

Venables would be the most likely guy on the list to take the job. Stories have suggested that he and Hocutt have some kind of connection at KSU, and Venables obviously is an up-and-comer. And "Associate Head Coach" is a title worse than kissing your sister.

Obviously, I'm not discussing Gruden, because that would be crazy. And I'm not talking "GRUDEN's crazy for taking the job," either.

IraqiCane

Randy Edsall Overall Coaching Record: 73-69 (12th year)

Bowl Record: 3-1

Edsall has seen the Connecticut Huskies make the transition from the Atlantic 10 Conference to FBS Independent before finally settling in the Big East.

He holds the title of UConn’s all-time winningest football coach.

Edsall's been successful at lower levels of competition when compared to his BCS-mates. The question lies in whether or not he could duplicate his efforts in a more powerful conference.

One of his more notable wins is a 20-7 victory over the South Carolina Gamecocks in the 2009 PapaJohns.com Bowl.

While he is early on this list, that’s not to say that big things aren't in Edsall's future.

He’s shown he knows how to win.

Perhaps we’ll find out if he can swim with the sharks in the Big Ten.

SOUP

The only home runs are Gruden, Patterson (TCU), Harbaugh (Standford) and Petersen (Boise).

Boise State's Chris Petersen is a finalist for the 2010 Eddie Robinson Coach of the Year Award, voted on by members of the Football Writers Association of America. This is the fourth time (in five seasons) that Petersen has been a finalist for the award. He has not won it.

The other finalists (in alphabetical order): Wisconsin's Bret Bielema, Auburn's Gene Chizik, Michigan State's Mark Dantonio, Oklahoma State's Mike Gundy, Stanford's Jim Harbaugh, Oregon's Chip Kelly and TCU's Gary Patterson.


Read more: http://voices.idahostatesman.com/2010/11/23/bmurphy/boise_states_chris_petersen_among_eight_finalists_eddie_robinson#ixzz16gcWTI00

IraqiCane

Gary Patterson
Overall Coaching Record: 96-28 (10th year; Interim HC in 2000 for Mobile Alabama Bowl)

Bowl Record: 5-3

Four words describe Patterson best: Coach of the Year.

He’s been awarded that honor on 12 separate occasions.

It’s hard to argue with the numbers. Seven of Patterson’s 10 teams have won at least 11 games. His current two-year record stands at 23-1, with the only loss being to then-No. 6 Boise State in the Fiesta Bowl.

TCU returns to the BCS picture this year, but they will not be accompanied by Boise State.

While Patterson’s Horned Frogs carry the “BCS Buster” title much like the Broncos, many fans praise his team for what is perceived as a very humble quality.

The Kansas native has accomplished much during his tenure at TCU.

The Horned Frogs may even be considered strongly for a position in a more powerful conference during any future realignment, thanks to Patterson

IraqiCane

Hyundai Sun Bowl: Miami vs. Temple

Miami just fired its coach and offensive coordinator last night after an embarrassing loss to South Florida and now the Hurricanes will have to play a bowl game.

Things haven't been right for Miami in years and while Shannon had done wonders for the program off of the field and in the classroom, he wasn't the answer on the field, despite having brought a lot of talent back into the program.

Temple is no slouch and a beaten down Hurricanes team will struggle against the Owls.

Prediction: Temple 20, Miami 17

Very Ouch Baby!!!

usagainsttheworld&theofficials

question-- if chucky is a real option (one that i must admit that i'm not sold on) could he be interested on college football given the pending/potential work stoppage in the nfl? maybe come here until things settle down in the league and then transition back in?

if so-- i'm not interested. we need someone who's going to be here a while.

and by the way-- i said a few blobs ago-- get rid of aubrey hill. damn-- hocutt got rid of all of them!!!

dj moonbat

The only way Petersen's coming is if he's tired of coaching at a school that will always have to argue its way into a national title game -- as opposed to Miami, which only has to do it periodically (see, e.g., 2000), then loses the argument to a team that it beat.

SOUP

That was then...

Nov. 24, 2006

Coral Gables, Fla (www.hurricanesports.com) -- - University of Miami head football coach Larry Coker was released from his contract today.

"The University has made a decision to change head coaches for our football program," said athletic director Paul Dee. "We all recognize Larry's contributions to this program and all he has accomplished in his six years and in prior years as the offensive coordinator. On behalf of the university I want to thank him for what he's done for us."

Coker spoke at a press conference, saying, "I want to encourage our alumni, fans, our NFL alumni, to be stronger than ever for supporting this program, supporting the new coach, the new staff. The University of Miami has a great reputation. It's going to be a good job. This football program will not be down long."

Dee announced that the university will engage Chuck Neinas, the former commissioner of the Big Eight Conference and former executive director of the College Football Association, to assist in the coaching search.

In a statement to the community, President Donna E. Shalala said, "We need a new start. We will recruit a great coach. We are looking for an experienced and successful coach of the highest integrity who understands and loves the Miami tradition of success and football family. He must be a great recruiter, of high character, committed to winning championships, academic success, and to the University community. We want someone who wants to be at the University of Miami, who is well organized, inspirational, and can attract a first-rate staff."

Coker, 58, led the Hurricanes to one national championship, two Bowl Championship Series title game appearances, three BCS bowl game appearances, five bowl games and three consecutive Big East Conference championships. His 2006 team finished 6-6 and is now bowl eligible following last night's 17-14 win over Boston College.

SOUP

That was then...only 14 days later after Coker was axed this:

Dec. 8, 2006

Coral Gables, Fla. (www. hurricanesports.com) - - The University of Miami held a press conference at 11:00 am today to name Randy Shannon as the new head football coach.

Randy Shannon Named Hurricanes Head Coach
Defensive Coordinator Had Five Top 10 Defenses in Six Seasons

CORAL GABLES, Fla. - Randy Shannon has been named the new head football coach at the University of Miami. Length and terms of his contract will not be released. Shannon, 40, has been the team's defensive coordinator for the last six seasons and is one of the finest defensive coaches in all of college football. He has coached top 10 defenses in five of those six seasons.

"Randy has the discipline and heart of a champion," said University of Miami president Donna E. Shalala. "He has been preparing himself for a head coaching position his whole life and I am very happy that the opportunity came at the University of Miami, his alma mater. We are extremely lucky to have him."

"In our national search, we spoke to a lot of people about coaches and to a number of coaches about their availability," said UM athletic director Paul Dee. "As the search progressed, it became very clear that Coach Shannon was the right person for this position. His history at the University of Miami as a student-athlete, a graduate, an assistant coach and as a coordinator has prepared him extremely well to lead a program that he fully understands. In our discussions with Coach Shannon, we have given him the resources to seek his offensive coordinator."

A native of Miami, a former Miami Hurricanes player and graduate of the university, Shannon becomes the 20th head coach in school history. He replaces Larry Coker, who was dismissed on November 24. Shannon played for the Hurricanes from 1985-88 and has been an assistant coach for 13 seasons. He has played on and coached on three of the school's five national championship teams. In 2001, he became the first UM coach to be named the winner of the Frank Broyles Award, presented annually to the nation's top assistant coach.

SOUP

That was then...the FIRST mistake:

Jan. 20, 2007

Coral Gables, Fla. (www. hurricanesports.com) - - Patrick Nix has been named the new offensive coordinator at the University of Miami. Considered a rising star in the coaching ranks, Nix inherits a unit that returns nine starters, including two highly touted quarterbacks, one of the nation's top young running backs, and an offensive line that returns four starters.

"We're happy that we have a great new offensive coordinator, an energetic person who brings a lot of ideas to this program and to this team," said Hurricanes head coach Randy Shannon. "He knows the ACC and he knows how to win as both a quarterback and as a coach. As a former defensive coordinator myself, you always judge a coach on what they present. Patrick Nix did a great job against us last year adjusting to what we did as a defense. And, as we adjusted on defense, he adjusted on offense again to keep us off-balance. Imagine what he'll do against other defenses."

Nix, 34, was a star quarterback at Auburn and still ranks as one of the top all-time passers in Auburn history. He came to Miami after five seasons at Georgia Tech, including the last three as offensive coordinator. He also coaches the quarterbacks, his former position as a player. In 1996, the Yellow Jackets won the ACC's Coastal Division and finished with a 9-5 record. Nix coached one of the most explosive offenses in the conference, and the team's 25 passing touchdowns led the ACC. Wide receiver Calvin Johnson was a consensus All-American after catching 76 passes for 1,202 yards and 12 touchdowns, and running back Tashard Choice led the conference in rushing and was selected All-ACC after gaining 1,473 yards and scoring 12 TDs. His quarterback, Reggie Ball, led the ACC with 20 touchdowns passes, and in the Gator Bowl with Ball sitting out, Nix guided backup Taylor Bennett, who passed for 326 yards and three touchdowns.

dg

Please go after Gary Patterson or Harbaugh. Both are at private schools and used to NCAA complaince issues and academics. Even Bobby Petrino..his offense would put up 40 a game with the talent on this team.

NO GRUDEN, PLEASE NO GRUDEN!

usagainsttheworld&theofficials

barry alvarez.

DZ8

Dee announced that the university will engage Chuck Neinas, the former commissioner of the Big Eight Conference and former executive director of the College Football Association, to assist in the coaching search.

Didn't Kirby just do the same thing. Hope Neinas just has a large rolodex and Kirby needs him to do the contact work.


And if we don't make a big splash with a sexy name I would be happy with Edsal.

usagainsttheworld&theofficials

another thought--

folks are smarting (me included) that we shouldn't be a stopping off point for coaches with their eye toward the nfl-- well-- it seems to me that we were winning the most championships when we had coaches with an eye toward the league. . . hmmmm. . .

if we had this kind of guy then we would have a match between coaches and players--

coaches with an eye toward the league

players with an eye toward the league

maybe it makes them hungry??? just musing.

DZ8

agreed ^^^

Also on Edsal he does establish a running game and with our O line and rbs that could be perfect!

Lou of M

wordless....

Sarasota 'cane

Let's keep this in reality.

Harbaugh is not coming.

Gruden is not coming. (Manny should be suspended for starting that rumor.)

Barry Alvarez is not coming.

Knute Rockney is not coming.

Tom Landry is not coming.

The guy from UCONN seems viable.

Dan Mullen might come, but would jump as soon as UF wanted him.

That's my short list, the guy from UCONN.

Go 'canes!

DallasTX Cane

TCU is going to announce today their acceptance of an offer to join the Big East.

MattInNY

What great day! Randy Shannon has been fired and Jon Gruden is still a possibility. Even if we don't get Gruden, anything is better than Shannon. But Gruden would be really nice! Miami would definitly have my money again and then some if they pay Gruden what he wants. If they pony up, I will pony up, its only fair. You commit to winning and put a quality product on the field and I will commit my money.

Chris

Sarasota 'cane...why the buzz kill mood today?

What, you don't like dreaming about this team's bright future like the rest of us? lol.

I think the Gruden rumors have merit to them, he may decide to use this as a smoke screen for bargaining leverage, but unlike in 2007 when coaches from around the country expressly declined interest in coming to miami, he has not done that yet.

Anything can happen and this job is looking very sexy for a mastermind coach to come in and inspire this team to play to their potential.

CGNC

Sota - what about Schembechler -LOL - not coming? LOL

Lou of M

they need to hire a "sexy" name... start calling boosters, have a funraiser, car wash, sell the house or whatever it takes... we cannot be doing this 4 years from now unless we have another NC in the trophy case.

solarcane

TCU to the Big East, and Louisiana Tech plays in the WAC
The words east and west have lost a lot of pull outside of geography books.

Chris

Guys, what about bringing Schnellenberger back for some role relating to the team?

solarcane

"I wouldn't say I'm solid [to Miami] right now," Louis-Jean said Sunday night. "[Shannon] was a huge factor. When I went down there he told me they would take care of me. Whoever they bring in is going to tell me whatever I want to hear. It's up in the air right now."

MattInNY

The difference from the last search to this one is 3 main reasons as I see them:

1) Money. Miami has it and they are willing to spend it. That wasn't the case 4 years ago.

2) Talent. In 2006 Miami had nothing in terms of talent for the new head coach to work with and alot of people who interviewed saw that. A good coach can step right in and delvelop what we already have, add a few pieces and instantly go to the top of the ACC b/c the talent is there.

3) Kirby Hocutt. Shannon was brought in by Paul Dee when he was on his way out the door. One has to wonder how much effort he really spent looking for a head coach. As such, Hocutt had zero loyalty to Shannon as he was not Hocutt's guy. Hocutt is a new, young AD and he wants to make a splash. A Gruden hire would instantly make Kirby Hocutt one of the top ADs in the country. This would be his hire, his guy and bring instant credibility to Miami and to him. This search is just as important to Miami as a program as it is to Hocutt personally.

Lou of M

this is not a great day for the U.. A great day is playing for an NC. dont forget randy was a true cane and any true cane fan would not wish this on any cane..

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