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November 07, 2010

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Felipe

Wow, Packers even sent Al Harris packing as a result of last night. "...coaches believe rookie Sam Shields(notes) can develop into a top cornerback over the next few years." Glad to see him succeed

SOUP

but he is an overachiever, and I like overachievers.

Posted by: Ungar | November 08, 2010 at 05:24 PM

That's what she said.

SOUP

Felipe...no, no, no where have U been?

U have it ALL wrong:

"Coaching doesn't matter."

LOL

DZ8

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canesteeler

,,,

carolinacane

Yes are strength coach does need to be canned. Hell we need size not body builders physics. We also need to get bigger at dt and taller. Is it me or is eveyone of our DT's 6'2 or shorter. How about going after some kids that are 6'4 or 6'5 and in the 285 range when they come out of high school. They still have the old school philosophy of turning strong safties into linbackers and big DE's into tackles and T.E's into offensive lineman. Where is Marcus Robinson going to play in the pros at 6'1 & 240. If he makes it, it will be in a 3-4 defense.

Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer

Heh, Sam Shields, current fill-in nickel/corner for the Packers had yet another pick last night against Dallas, and has kept Pro Bowler Al Harris off the field as a result of his play. Anyone besides me NOT surprised that a guy who's chewed up by the 2nd string Oklahoma QB on the first drive as a Cane, is finally able to excel with this thing called coaching?

Posted by: Felipe | November 08, 2010 at 05:42 PM

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Actuallu, the ONLY reason SS is playing in the NFL is because of Shannon switching him and him getting thrown in at the deep end last year.

Do you seriously think it's a coaching deficiency when a poor WR gets switched to a CB and doesn't suddenly excel?? Sam Shields at that.

If anything it's a sign that he, like Randy Phillips, Bruce Johnson and Kenny Phillips were well taught, just like Antrel Rolle tries to tell people...BUT

Haters look for ANY reason to hate.

Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer

UMike, in 2008 our offense had absolutely NO identity, so it wasn't clear what his needs would be.

J12's arm is now obsolete. It's like the whole playbook opened up with Morris arm-strength.

It is what it is. You can call it something else but the fact is, Morris forces the defense to defend the entire field, not sit on a few routes and crowd around the WRs like they did with J12.

Mini Martz doesn't really know what he's doing but he has an idea and that idea works a helluva lot better with a big-arm QB.

And even better with Miller and James running the rock the most.

Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer

Yes are strength coach does need to be canned. Hell we need size not body builders physics. We also need to get bigger at dt and taller. Is it me or is eveyone of our DT's 6'2 or shorter. How about going after some kids that are 6'4 or 6'5 and in the 285 range when they come out of high school. They still have the old school philosophy of turning strong safties into linbackers and big DE's into tackles and T.E's into offensive lineman. Where is Marcus Robinson going to play in the pros at 6'1 & 240. If he makes it, it will be in a 3-4 defense.

Posted by: carolinacane | November 08, 2010 at 06:07 PM


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Bro, each class of Shannon's is bigger and better each year. M-Rob was very talented but he really needed a year RS and another on the scout team to really build his body.

He's a tweener...a little too big to play LB too small for a real DE as is.

The incoming class has 6'4' and up guys. But the difference is a guy like Dyron Dye had a RS and is now on the scout team, so once he hits the field, he'll be 6'5' 270 or so and ready to rumble.

Ditto the 6'7' David Perry. Vernon's another one who could've used a proper RS but he was too good and we didn't have the depth. Andrew Smith too.

RS has his problems but recruiting and development on defense really are not his problems. He knows what that takes in a nuts and bolts fashion.

It's the gray area in between teh Xs and Os that he's really struggling with, and his own obstinate nature compounds the problem.

CaneRock

They still have the old school philosophy of turning stong safeties into linebackers and big DEs into tackles and TEs into offensive lineman."

Posted by: carolinacane November 08, 2010 at 06:07 PM

Carolina, I don't have a problem with that philosophy as long as it's kids like Buchanan and Bailey that they're converting. Although Robinson doesn't have the ideal size to play DE, He would've been too slow to play OLB. In addition to reading keys, a big part of LBing is movement. I think if you ask any O-Lineman what's a pain in the ass to deal with, he'll more than likely tell you it's a guy that can move. Like I said earlier, that philosophy of turning slow LBs into fast DEs, and slow Safeties into fast (O)LBs is still valid and effective to this day...

CaneRock

My issue with the LBing corp is our inability to find a true MLB. That position has become what the QBing position was when Shannon took over, you don't have a guy in there that's balling out, and you don't have an understudy just waiting to take over. Sharpton's the closest thing we've had to a true MLB since RS took over...

solarcane

soup,
Yea I haven't given up yet.
UNC, as much as I hate to say this gets themselves ready for big games.
They could beat VT.

If everything went as scripted as most Miami football related things go:

1. We beat GT.. we get cautiously excited.

2.UNC even though they hate it for us, beats VT handily.

3 We go nuts and start proclaiming how bad VT looked and how we will mop them up.

4 The papers buzz with how with Morris we are shoe ins to beat VT.
Our guys and our fans believe it, Randy is clueless to have them ready, but we don't care.

5 VT is pissed off

6 You know the rest.

4-Real

Canerock, M-Rob ran in the 4.4 range b4 he was converted to DE.

Six

You know, there are generally more than 1 WR running routes out there on passing plays

So, it's not exactly like OCs just call for the play to go to only 1 WR. And if that 1 WR is double covered, I'm thinking they don't tell the QB to just try and force it in there

It's kind of up to the QB to go through his progressions and he's the one that it ultimately comes down to where the ball is thrown

So, if it's a jump ball to a 5'9 WR in the endzone like with TBenjamin in the UVA game, I don't really think that was the original intent of the call

Morris locked into his WR on his 2 picks, the kid didn't look anywhere else .... but we should be used to that from another QB

Six

Take a look for a couple of seconds at the following ...

This kind of shows why a stronger armed QB isn't a bad thing to have

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6lp4sxzFlQ


:14 SECONDS IN - Bad snap to start the play. Stop the highlight at :17 seconds and you'll see Chase Ford 6 yards down the field turned waiting for the ball ... Aldarius Johnson waiting for the ball 6 yards down the field turned waiting for the ball, just below Chase - who does the LB #1 cover? He's caught in limbo and no way he gets to either Chase or AJ on a throw from Morris. Morris throws a bullet while running to his right

:26 SECONDS IN - Stop the highlight at :26 seconds to everyone's favorite formation, 4 wide with the QB under center. Watch Lamar Miller lined up behind Hankie in the slot. Hankie runs about a 8 yard short post, taking both LBs with him ... Lamar starts to run a little swing at the bottom of the screen, was open b/c of Hankie taking a LB with him .. Byrd runs a 4 yard slant

Look at where Morris puts the ball on that throw to Byrd and with zip behind it at :27 seconds in. It's not as impressive from the horizontal view as it is from the vertical view, where it truly shows where the ball fit into that small window. Lamar was open on that play and would've had some room to run b/c the LB #9 was 5 yards away from Lamar - but damn, Morris showed some balls on that


Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer

My issue with the LBing corp is our inability to find a true MLB. That position has become what the QBing position was when Shannon took over, you don't have a guy in there that's balling out, and you don't have an understudy just waiting to take over. Sharpton's the closest thing we've had to a true MLB since RS took over...

Posted by: CaneRock | November 08, 2010 at 06:51 PM

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Rock, it was the great bust of the class of 2008 that created the void.

RS had 3 possible MLB candidates on NSD and five or six overall...

Zach Kanes, Brandon Marti, #11, Futch, Spence. M-Rob and someone else I'm forgetting. Throw in Buchanon and Holton as likely SS conversion to LB and you have about seven bodies. Normally that's a safe figure to get one or two MLBs out of right? Wrong. Of that class only Spence has really lived up to the billing, and he really need a RS and scout team year to grow into his muscle.

Ditto Buchanon. So by last fall, after #11 quit, he was down to K-Rob and C-Mac.

Like I said, RS has some serious flaws but know what is required personnel-wise for a defense is not one of them.

This frosh class is the make-up class for LBs, as we've already see with Cain.

Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer

You know, there are generally more than 1 WR running routes out there on passing plays

So, it's not exactly like OCs just call for the play to go to only 1 WR. And if that 1 WR is double covered, I'm thinking they don't tell the QB to just try and force it in there

It's kind of up to the QB to go through his progressions and he's the one that it ultimately comes down to where the ball is thrown

So, if it's a jump ball to a 5'9 WR in the endzone like with TBenjamin in the UVA game, I don't really think that was the original intent of the call

Morris locked into his WR on his 2 picks, the kid didn't look anywhere else .... but we should be used to that from another QB

Posted by: Six | November 08, 2010 at 07:21 PM

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Lol, ain't that the truth. But more importantly, Morris also made his reads and even didn't throw when he didn't have an open man, something J12 is still struggling to do.

And the worst thing J12 does, his true achilles heel is thinking his arm is stronger than it is.

He is a rhythm, West Coast offense QB. Nothing else. If he played at Stanford with Harbaugh he'd be fine cause Harbaugh doesn't even give the option for long balls too often.

Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer

soup,
Yea I haven't given up yet.
UNC, as much as I hate to say this gets themselves ready for big games.
They could beat VT.

If everything went as scripted as most Miami football related things go:

1. We beat GT.. we get cautiously excited.

2.UNC even though they hate it for us, beats VT handily.

3 We go nuts and start proclaiming how bad VT looked and how we will mop them up.

4 The papers buzz with how with Morris we are shoe ins to beat VT.
Our guys and our fans believe it, Randy is clueless to have them ready, but we don't care.

5 VT is pissed off

6 You know the rest.

Posted by: solarcane | November 08, 2010 at 06:54 PM

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They could definitely beat VT b/c of their OL, Yates and their OC. No doubt about it. It might be a shootout but they can definitely win it.

But the U needs to stop giving a fuk about whether some other team is ready or not, mad or not, playing well or not. I know they're not at that point yet, but maybe with Morris back there the entire team gets that spark to lay steel every gamer regardless of the opponent the field, the fans....WHO GIVES A FUK ABOUT ANY OF THAT?

Maybe Morris ignites that spark in the defense cause they know they have a QB who really gives a damn about them and can make big plays.

To me that's the key. I honestly think the rest of the team was ready for OSU....J12 came undone and everyone was like...WTF is this. Especially after that overall stunt.

Then against Pitt it was another hot and cold. Then against Clemson another hot and cold. Then FSU. Then Duke another scrubby day, although Mini Martz called his most idiotic game that day but J12 didn't do much either...with HOW MANY TURNOVERS??

This team isn't united or mature or talented enough at this point to just shrug off pizzy performances by the self-proclaimed "leader of the team."

They need a leader who actually makes plays, so the rest of the leaders can shine. It gives the defense and the rest of the offense confidence.

I think we light up GT.

solarcane

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SOUP

Although Robinson doesn't have the ideal size to play DE, He would've been too slow to play OLB.

Posted by: CaneRock | November 08, 2010 at 06:38 PM

He ran a 4.5 and would have made a GREAT MLB.

Could he have done any worse with two years of practice at MLB than a former RB from Canada?

GTFOOH!!!

Then #44 could have stayed at OLB and U would have had Spence - Robinson - McCarthy at LB and the rest would have been history.

Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer

They still have the old school philosophy of turning stong safeties into linebackers and big DEs into tackles and TEs into offensive lineman."

Posted by: carolinacane November 08, 2010 at 06:07 PM

Carolina, I don't have a problem with that philosophy as long as it's kids like Buchanan and Bailey that they're converting. Although Robinson doesn't have the ideal size to play DE, He would've been too slow to play OLB. In addition to reading keys, a big part of LBing is movement. I think if you ask any O-Lineman what's a pain in the ass to deal with, he'll more than likely tell you it's a guy that can move. Like I said earlier, that philosophy of turning slow LBs into fast DEs, and slow Safeties into fast (O)LBs is still valid and effective to this day...

Posted by: CaneRock | November 08, 2010 at 06:38 PM

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Rock, having a RS year and maybe another on scout team helps a lot too. DJ Williams are rare.

I understand some of the frosh are upset about not getting PT but if they only knew they're much better off growing into the position as their bodies and minds are more prepared for the the rigors of the game.

SOUP

Haters look for ANY reason to hate.

Posted by: Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer | November 08, 2010 at 06:23 PM

It's not my fight BUT...Don't go bi-polar on us! If ANYONE has been hatin on Shannon lately it has been U.

U flipped completely to the dark side and U know it.

Plain, pure and simple.

SOUP

So, if it's a jump ball to a 5'9 WR in the endzone like with TBenjamin in the UVA game, I don't really think that was the original intent of the call

Posted by: Six | November 08, 2010 at 07:21 PM

Yeah if it hapened a FEW times I could buy that. But for that to happen 20 TIMES there has to be something to it.

Either that IS the designed play or Jacory is the worst decision maker at QB ever.

SOUP

I think we light up GT.

Posted by: Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer | November 08, 2010 at 07:45 PM

If U were ever going to be right let it be THIS time!

(Just messin' with U!)

CaneRock

"He ran a 4.5 and would have made a GREAT MLB."

Posted by: SOUP November 08, 2010 at 07:54 PM

I doubt Robinson has ever ran a 4.5. Just eyeballin' those 2 fumble returns (1 called back) that He's had for TDs, I say He's a career 4.6-4.7, hell, Regis damn near caught His ass, so He might be slower. As far as MLB, all I have to say is look at the backdrop of Clark,Vilma,Morgan,Webster,McIntosh,etc., I don't see how He can projected and fitted in there...

Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer

Then #44 could have stayed at OLB and U would have had Spence - Robinson - McCarthy at LB and the rest would have been history.

Posted by: SOUP | November 08, 2010 at 07:49 PM

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IDK about that Soupster. M-Rob was a DE and would've had a lot to learn. Plus, we had NO DEs that year if I recall correctly. I remember there being such a surplus of LBs that Barrow had no trouble sending M-Rob to be with Hurtt.

In an ideal situation, I think he would've RS and become a BOSS LB, whatever the position. You can see his speed and footwork even now. 6'1 or 6'1 235/240 with those feet would've been superb in the middle. Assuming he could handle the playcalling aspects of it. If not, he'd still be great at OLB.

But that's part of going through a ground-up rebuild. It's easy for us to second-guess those parts of it from hindsight.

Like I've said, RS has leadership issues not Xs and Os, personnel issues. But if he's not careful his weaknesses and shortcomings will destroy his strengths.

SOUP

Rock...OK, OK maybe not Ray Lewis or Dan Morgan but no better than #44? No better than a former RB from Canada?

CHILD PLEASE!

CaneRock

I'm sorry SOUP, but "no better than #44, and "no better than a former RB from Canada?", I don't see it. I don't remember anybody from Canada, did you mean Alaska-Kylan Robinson...

Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer

It's not my fight BUT...Don't go bi-polar on us! If ANYONE has been hatin on Shannon lately it has been U.

U flipped completely to the dark side and U know it.

Plain, pure and simple.

Posted by: SOUP | November 08, 2010 at 07:50 PM

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No, I just got more information to fill in the blanks, the blanks about why his teams have been so up and down, so mentally weak, so apathetic at the most crucial times.

However, unlike many others who know more than I, I think his problems can be corrected.

But the biggest obstacle is his on vanity, his own stubborn-ness and refusal to see his faults and shortcomings. He's never been in a leadership position, always an Xs and Os position, and he's being thrust into the frying pan for all his mistakes to be seen.

That's why I keep saying he really needs someone like JJ to do an evaluation of his coaching. How he runs practice, what he does and doesn't do with the players, how he mixes fear, respect and motivation, how he mixes discipline with looseness.

It's not easy and I think 90% of the people criticizing him have no fukin clue about the demands and pressure he's dealing with, esp. with "the internets" being what they are.

But it is what it is. And if he doesn't find someone who can show him his faults, how to solve them, show him that Xs and Os don't mean a goddam thing if the kids aren't inspired and devoted to their HC, he's going to continue to flop and be embarrassed like he was against FSU.

He also has serious problems finding less-than obvious OC talent. He was right on with Koetter but after that he's gone from one over his head candidate to a guy who has nothing on his resume to suggest he can handle big time CFB OC duties.

Mini Martz is definitely better than Nix but he's learning as he's going like RS in some ways. Morris is saving both of them though. But I have to give Mini Martz credit for recognizing his talent, RS for following through and RS for prepping him when AJ went down several weeks ago.

I try to be fair with things like this because we're so far removed from the situation. But the reports about his leadership flaws are impossible to ignore.

solarcane

solar ( banging head against wall as soup snickers in delight)

"but the biggest obstacle is his on vanity, his own stubborn-ness and refusal to see his faults and shortcomings"

Capt my Capt,
Is this not exactly what I said to you was his problem running the team and he was even worse about on game day, at least three seasons ago and every season since, while you assured me he just needed a couple more pieces to the puzzle and I shouldn't be worried?!!!!

I still don't get how it is a fact when you realize it three years later, but it is just me bashing Randy when I said the same thing when I was a lot younger lol!!

Six

Either that IS the designed play or Jacory is the worst decision maker at QB ever.

Posted by: SOUP | November 08, 2010 at 07:54 PM

Please see

Exhibit A: Game against North Carolina last year

Exhibit B: Game against Clemson last year


It just can't be that the INT against UVA is a designed jump ball to Travis Benjamin when he's going up against the ACC leader in INTs

Just no way at all

SOUP

NEW BLOG IS UP!

solarcane

Bruce Springsteen and Clarence reminisce about the Glory Days

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LC76lzUkL5A

zaro

Thanks Michael barrow. Tony steward said on rivals he is thinking about visiting the canes. While he said Miami is not the place for him. Barrow has a nice relationship with his mother.

I know we can't get allll the top talent but kids like him don't come around often

Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer

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