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December 13, 2010

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orange 'n green in the vein

Oh, this is going to get GOOOOD!

Cav, making Temple out to be the little dwarf of the Big East was an accurate description of their situation in that conference.

It doesn't hold true in the MAC nearly as well for them. They should have been a competitive in the MAC, that's the whole point of it being a, "good conference move," when they undertook it.

All the people who thought winning at Temple was some hot shakes should be cursing Holcutt for not getting Heywood instead out of there, it was a more impressive turnaround job after-all in a shorter amount of time. But if you're not, why is that, they both had jobs in the same conference, one did better than the other it's easily objectively shown, yet somehow this is a great hire for Miami and an iffy one for Pitt? If you ask me, they're both iffy. Objectively, Pitt schooled us if you're comparing the results of their new coaches by about, let's say, 20 points.

Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer

I also have to add this about Whipple

I do not know this for sure, so im just going to ask it

Whose decision was it to not use LM6,#47,#82 and maybe even #24 although I didnt really get to see much of him to give my a full opinion of him more on offense?

Did that maybe hamper what was called? #20 is not a breakaway/outside back #3 is not a zone route or physical route runner, #9 do I really need to say more about that, #2 as much as I love the energy he brought to the team and the fight he gave to see the field, he should of sat for the year. He was never fully healthy

Posted by: Sebastian57 | December 15, 2010 at 08:10 PM

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I've been asking this question of all the "insiders" all year long and no one has answered.

I think it's Whipple who made the calls during the week and in-games. It was his decision to use J12 against USF when and how he used him.

Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer

Captain, I actually agree with your point here. My thinking isn't quite as visceral as yours, though. :)
But you lost me with this one:
Publicity and such weren't RS shortcomings any more than they are Bill Belichik's strengths.
Shannon shunned publicity. He didn't do anything with boosters north of Palm Beach, and rarely did anything with anyone in the State of Miami. He barely talked to the media, treated reporters awfully when he did (and that came back to bite him), and now we read from actual recruits that he didn't have much contact with them. He tried doing things his way. 40 years ago his way would have worked, but he just didn't understand this part of his job.

Posted by: j.w. | December 15, 2010 at 07:41 PM

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I agree that was a problem but it wouldn't have mattered if he'd won, which was why I used Belichik as the counter-point.

Belichik, like most NFL HCs, doesn't give a damn about the press and treats them that way, more or less.

When you win, it's just your style.

When you lose, you're horrible with the media and that somehow reflects on how good a HC you are.

For RS these things didn't affect or undermine his ability to be a HC. HIS problem was the fact that he treated HIS PLAYERS with a similar stand-off style as he treated the media.

That's why Ojomo said his relationship with RS was "alright, not close or anything"....or something like that.

This was a kid who said as a freshman that he wanted to be "one of RS' guys."

"Us Against The World" doesn't work when the troops don't really know who "Us" is.

DADDEH

U

j.w.

I've been asking this question of all the "insiders" all year long and no one has answered.

I think it's Whipple who made the calls during the week and in-games. It was his decision to use J12 against USF when and how he used him.

Posted by: Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer | December 16, 2010 at 01:55 PM

That's because most "insiders" are just people that read a lot more than most of usm they don't know taht much first-hand knowledge.
Your take sounds as reasonable as any on this one, Cpt. I thought Randy pulled players, either by strongly encouraging his ideas or by approving Whipple's moves. But I don't know.

j.w.

Let's try that one again:
That's because most "insiders" are just people that read a lot more than most of us they don't know that much first-hand knowledge.
Have to add an edit button. :)

Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer

OGV, you think Haywood's a better hire than Golden??? Hmmmmm...

I don't know much about him. 1-11 to 9-4 at Ohio says something though. He definitely has that HC look and sound though. lol

I'd still say turning around Temple is tougher and bigger. Ohio's had some good teams and players.

Should be interesting..I think we got the best fit for the U though. Who knows if Haywood would've seen this as a golden opportunity and really.

Also, Golden whooped Edsall, the Big East Champs. To me that says more than beating NIU..

Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer

That's because most "insiders" are just people that read a lot more than most of usm they don't know taht much first-hand knowledge.
Your take sounds as reasonable as any on this one, Cpt. I thought Randy pulled players, either by strongly encouraging his ideas or by approving Whipple's moves. But I don't know.

Posted by: j.w. | December 16, 2010 at 02:06 PM

>>>>>>>>>>>>


I think you're right. I think RS set the table and Whipple decided courses.

Just mismanagement and bad decisions all the way down. The saving grace for the offense was the talent really.

Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imSDuxuiXvg&feature=related

Mike Haywood.

OGV, I prefer Golden's swag. I see your point about Haywood though. He'll have Pitt playing like the Steelers in a couple of years.

mi@mic@ne

Heres the central distinction with all of this coaching change. One...Miami must have a high powered Offense.. this is a necessity to sell tickets.
Two... there are o coordinators who run pro style but it is not exciting. So just because the guy is a pro coach does not mean he is going to have miami style excitement.

Three... the question is who is available.. is there someone who is a pro coach who has the mentality to pull the trigger and take the chances verses a typical short passing game and a boring running focus.

Whipple has demonstrated that he can open up the o but we have had to many mistakes and we have failed to make these players successful and well rounded ball handlers. Is this Whipples fault or Randys? Does Whipple have the same goals as Golden? Can both coaches be on the same page? It is critical that Golden have success with this o from the get go. It will set us back if we tamper in my opinion ... unless there is someone else out there with the miami mentality. My example ... look at the Dolphins.. they have slow qb and they are a one trick pony. It could happen in this situation.

Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPm4AZ4MJjY&feature=related

Mike Haywood...talking about his new OC. Notice the first few sentences out of his mouth. haha

somethingstinksinthegablesformerlyknownasusagainstheworld&thereferees

listened to the calvacade of guests on the michael irvin show this morning on wqam's website. blockbuster.

orange 'n green in the vein

WHOA! Listen here Steve Rodgers, at now point did I endorse Mike Haywood as a good Pitt hire!

""Us Against The World" doesn't work when the troops don't really know who "Us" is.

Posted by: Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer | December 16, 2010 at 02:02 PM"

This though is vault material, but SOUP saying the Steelers line for the vault extraction of 2013, or Golden's best UM team's debut.

herbieibis

Ojomo said his and Shannons relationship was just okay, i'd be pissed at you under acheiving azz too.You had a good first year, spent last year eating soup out of a straw and did nothing this year.

Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer

Mi@, if Kirby has all the money he supposedly has for football and staff, Golden will be able to spend some money and get someone really skilled.

I think the problems with player development are RS first, followed by Whipple's.

After watching Whipple closely this season, I don;t think he has any goals other than throwing the ball from the shotgun and 3 step drops with an empty backfield.

It's his default play. When he runs out of ideas, put em in the gun and throw it, regardless of down, distance, field position, game score, just wing it.

mi@mic@ne

Capt... if you look at the stats we had great success with the amount of connections if you count the drop balls and project what would have happened to be fair in judging the coach and qbs. Although i think Jh does not have the size.. durability or arm strength to go a full season .. his problem was all of the mistakes and lack of discipline.
I dont think its fair to say that the play calling stunk... when we were running the ball well when we got the freshmen into the game...at this point its not fair to judge because the team was already divided.

Is the senario Golden being able to rise to the level of exciting o or will he find the comfort of what he is used to... ie JJ came in and the o was high powered .. jj was a run coach. But JJ did not tamper with the o.. He always had the high powered o coordinator even in dallas.

In my opinion Capt.. you are describing Nix when you complain about the o play calling.

solarcane

RS not "relaxing" or whatever didn't have anything to do with his team's lack of resolve, precision and will.

Cap,
You and I will always see things differently.
Using the picture for an example,
You didn't take time to consider what I was talking about when I said I don't remember Randy doing that.

You jumped to your conclusion , based on something entirely different than what I was even talking about.
I was talking about Randy never let his guard down for the sake of the people around him.

Golden may well have felt uncomfortable to make the U gesture, who really knows, but he knew he was doing the right thing for the sake of the people around him, and he knew he was in the spotlight and needed to respond correctly.

Randy doesn't have that knack. If it's silly to point that out, it's because you don't run any promotions, or fund raisers, or do any recruiting.

You didn't understand for a second what was going on with the picture comment and you jumped to your own conclusion, It isn't, and it wasn't about Randy.
It was about how Golden knows how to work the room, that is important in his profession,
recruiting fundraising, team image etc.

The players have had zero fun the entire time Randy was their HC.
They had to choreograph being happy and bump chests with him in his final games.

If you want to believe players not enjoying playing for their coach had nothing to do with their performance it only reinforces my perception that you miss a lot of stuff.


Bear Bryant, a coach we both admire, said he never coached anyone that was more dedicated to the game and had more fun playing football than Joe Namath did.
If you read some of Namath's biography you will see Bryant cut Namath a lot of slack because he realized he didn't want to kill Joe's spirit.

A lot of coaches like Lombardi, Bryant, Hayse could rule with an iron fist and no questions ask because that was a different time in America.

You can't get away with things now with the entire world able to watch your every move.
Ask Mike Leach how doing it your own way has been working for him now days.
Take a moment to consider maybe I am right, count to ten, then tell me what you think.


solarcane

Hayes ^^

Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer

Dallas, Jugg Head is just PMSing and it's giving him some AMNESIA....

No big deal.

solarcane

Stoutland: Quarterback competition has been great

by: Steve Gorten December 16th, 2010 | 12:56 PM CORAL GABLES —


Miami interim coach Jeff Stoutland has yet to decide on the starting QB for the Sun Bowl, in which UM will face Notre Dame.
As it stands now, he’d be happy with either junior Jacory Harris or true freshman Stephen Morris.
“It’s been great,” Stoutland said after Thursday’s practice of the QB competition. “Every day I leave here I think to myself ‘Who’s ahead? Who did better?’ It goes back and forth and back and forth and back and forth. They both bring a lot to the table.”
Stoutland said the coaching staff collectively will decide on the starting QB either in El Paso, Texas, or just before the team leaves on Dec. 26.
— The flu bug continues to affect the Hurricanes. While LT Orlando Franklin returned to practice after sitting out Wednesday, RT Seantrel Henderson remains out because of the virus. The latest to be struck by the flu, WR Leonard Hankerson, didn’t practice Thursday.

TJL

Is the U in the stone ages? I hear FSU has a staff of nutritionists and our players eat regular food with the student population. I guess they eat too many tator tots?

mi@mic@ne

We cant put this in a box about being to sensitive when you got coaches that dont get along in a natural way. I dont think Randys problems as the main focus his disagreements with Whipple ... but the problems were being able to communicate in winning the players over to what he wanted to accomplish. Thats why the players did not develop and the team did not continue to get better as the season went on.

Example.. Spurrier and Stoops... these guys did not get along but they could develop players and win a title together...

The main thing in coaching is dealing with human beings first and knowing how to motivate them in a positive way .. communicating in a way that you are not showing favoritism. Even tho you get along with some players better than others. Golden has this.. its really not about Goldens system.. but its big league now.. its about players coaches and excitement on the field. Golden just needs to be Golden.. thats why hes a good fit.

solarcane

good post Mi@mi

mi@mic@ne

Posted by: solarcane | December 16, 2010 at 03:15 PM

Thanks solar.. just want to see us get that crystal ball with all the fun in between.

Teflon

I was watching CFB live and they showed Mike Haywood and i gotta say the man has fire!! Can really inspire a team.

SuperCooper

Haven't seen this posted yet. D'onofrio is officially our DC and is recruiting with Golden in New York/New Jersey today

solarcane

Super,
I wonder how the Rutger's recruiters are feeling about now

orange 'n green in the vein

"Example.. Spurrier and Stoops... these guys did not get along but they could develop players and win a title together...

Posted by: mi@mic@ne | December 16, 2010 at 03:13 PM

WTF are you talking about? Spurrier gave Stoops virtually carte blanche after he put up the best defensive statistical season in the NCAA at K-State (hi Kirby!) and decided to go out and hire the guy who coached that defense.

solarcane

Devin Hester's son takes his first steps today.


http://www.twitvid.com/ABPSZ

We should start recruiting this kid hard, then again he's already a Cane lock.

DallasTX Cane

We should start recruiting this kid hard, then again he's already a Cane lock.

Posted by: solarcane | December 16, 2010 at 04:00 PM

He looks almost ready to bust a return

SOUP

This though is vault material, but SOUP saying the Steelers line for the vault extraction of 2013, or Golden's best UM team's debut.

Posted by: orange 'n green in the vein | December 16, 2010 at 02:23 PM

Can U translate that to English for me?

SOUP

If you want to post mine POST OGV'S cause he and YOU were saying the same damn things.

Posted by: Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer | December 16, 2010 at 01:32 PM

If that's the way U remember it that's cool.

NBD

SOUP

Haha, so the punk comes out after all. lolololol

Hahahahahaha...

Typical limp-dyk response from the JUGG HEAD. haha

Posted by: Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer | December 16, 2010 at 01:34 PM

Is that all U got? LOL

OK, now that we both got that out of our systems...blog on!

herbieibis

While Goldens up in New York recruiting ,I hope he remembers that he's going after top dogs now not bottom feeders.

orange 'n green in the vein

SOUP, it should read you're saving the having Pitt playing like the Steelers soon take going into the vault.

DZ8

look at the Dolphins.. they have slow qb and they are a one trick pony. It could happen in this situation.

Posted by: mi@mic@ne | December 16, 2010 at 02:19 PM

Can't happen in this situation. The Dolphins problem is the interior offensive line. We will be OK there ( Washington, Horn/Linder, Gunn/Bunche/Wheeler). Trust me. Not to mention our running backs.

We will look more like Alabama next year.

Bad Bart

OGV, that is my point right there.....but stop complaining, at least those in charge took their time with the hire and may have gotten it right!!!

SOUP

A UM cheerleader made the finals in the Athlon cheerleader of the year contest:

http://spirit.athlonsports.com/round/10

U can vote until tomorrow.

Bad Bart

Golden must have wanted to coach here....

orange 'n green in the vein

Cav, if you're going to continue to insist that a win over a no history Big East stop-gap basketball school is something to make me say, good coaching move, you need to take that elsewhere and propagate it as evidence. Since when is beating UCONN in anything but women's basketball or even the men's meant anything? They're a infant who got lucky and now get to be the worst BCS team since '05 Pitt or FSU when the played PSU in the Orange Bowl and still couldn't make a down the middle FG.

Bart, you're not more impressed with Haywood actually winning at someplace that had run off the map instead of taking a whole recruiting cycle to help Temple to the upper tier of the MAC but not the top? Then why should I take what Golden' has done there so seriously instead?

solarcane

While Goldens up in New York recruiting ,I hope he remembers that he's going after top dogs now not bottom feeders.
Posted by: herbieibis | December 16, 2010 at 04:33 PM

herb
they were at four star Ishaq Williams ESPN #6 DE today and I'm sure some others.

solarcane

RIVALS.COM ACC ALL-FRESHMAN TEAM (OFFENSE)

QB Danny O’Brien, Maryland
Particulars: 6-3/215, redshirt; Kernersville (N.C.) East Forsyth
RB Josh Harris, Wake Forest
Particulars: 5-10/205, redshirt; Duncanville (Texas) High
****RB Lamar Miller, Miami
Particulars: 5-11/210, redshirt; Miami Killian
WR DeAndre Hopkins, Clemson
Particulars: 6-1/195, true; Central (S.C.) D.W. Daniel
WR Bobby Swigert, Boston College
Particulars: 6-1/180, true; Louisville (Ohio) High
****TE Asante Cleveland, Miami
Particulars: 6-5/245, true; Sacramento (Calif.) Christian Brothers
****OL Seantrel Henderson, Miami
Particulars: 6-8/330, true; St. Paul (Minn.) Cretin-Derham Hall
OL James Hurst, North Carolina
Particulars: 6-6/290, true; Plainfield (Ind.) High
OL Will Jackson, Georgia Tech
Particulars: 6-3/285, redshirt; Knoxville (Tenn.) Farragut
****OL Brandon Linder, Miami
Particulars: 6-6/300, true; Fort Lauderdale (Fla.) St. Thomas Aquinas
OL Morgan Moses, Virginia
Particulars: 6-6/350, true; Fork Union (Va.) Military Academy, preceded by Richmond (Va.) Meadowbrook

RIVALS.COM ACC ALL-FRESHMAN TEAM (DEFENSE)
E J.R. Collins, Virginia Tech
Particulars: 6-2/254, redshirt; Stafford (Va.) Brooke Point
T Demonte McAllister, Florida State
Particulars: 6-2/280, redshirt; Tampa Middleton
T Nikita Whitlock, Wake Forest
Particulars: 5-11/235, redshirt; Wylie (Texas) High
E James Gayle, Virginia Tech
Particulars: 6-4/248, redshirt; Hampton (Va.) Bethel
LB Kelby Brown, Duke
Particulars: 6-2/210, true; Charlotte (N.C.) Charlotte Christian
LB Quandon Christian, Clemson
Particulars: 6-3/215, redshirt; Lake View (S.C.) High
LB Kevin Pierre-Louis, Boston College
Particulars: 6-1/221, true; Stamford (Conn.) King & Low-Heywood Thomas
CB Ross Cockrell, Duke
Particulars: 6-0/175, redshirt; Charlotte (N.C.) Latin
CB Xavier Rhodes, Florida State
Particulars: 6-1/209, redshirt; Miami Norland
S Antone Exum, Virginia Tech
Particulars: 6-0/219, redshirt; Glen Allen (Va.) Deep Run
S Daniel Mack, Wake Forest
Particulars: 6-0/195, redshirt; Miami Dade Christian
RIVALS.COM ACC ALL-FRESHMAN TEAM (SPECIAL TEAMS)
K Nate Freese, Boston College
Particulars: 6-0/180, redshirt; Strongsville (Ohio) High
P C.J. Feagles, North Carolina
Particulars: 6-0/185, redshirt; Ridgewood (N.J.) High
KR Michael Campanaro, Wake Forest
Particulars: 5-10/185, redshirt; Clarksville (Md.) River Hill
PR DeAndre Hopkins, Clemson
Particulars: 6-1/195, true; Central (S.C.) D.W. Daniel

Steve Megargee is a national writer for Rivals.com. Follow him on Twitter. He can be reached at smegargee@rivals.com.

SuperCooper

Solar, I don't think Schiano or Penn State will like it. lol

And I always thought that we should have recruited New Jersey harder the past few years. Don't think people realize how much talent there is in that area

SuperCooper

We have our first three assistants

CORAL GABLES, Fla. – The University of Miami football program and new head coach Al Golden have added three assistant coaches to the existing staff in a limited capacity for the remainder of the calendar year.

Former Temple defensive coordinator Mark D’Onofrio, defensive line coach Jethro Franklin and defensive backs coach Paul Williams will join the Miami staff and be allowed to recruit this week thanks to an NCAA waiver.

SuperCooper

Franklin has one hell of a resume btw. Petri was good, but this guy has a ton of experience in big time college (USC) and the NFL

Sebastian

Very alarming not seeing any `Cane defensive players on that team

Alot of back and forth discussion about playcalling and the problems with the O. Im one of the bloggers caught up in that

The problem is playcalling on the D side of the ball and the lack of getting some of the young guys some time out there

Sebastian

`Canes have 15 `ships to give out this year I believe

5 on offense

10 on defense

herbieibis

The ax is already falling, Petri, McGriff & Lovett are adiosing it after the bowl game. Oh well the dee did play good last year, except for the homerun plays they gave up. Our secondary may be overated because we really didn't face a big time passer. We just need more studs on that side of the ball. We have some names that are supposed to be good but they don't play every game. Hopefully these new gurus will light a fire underneath them and they'll play the way we expect them to, like every game and not every other.
Anybody got any info on who's a lock recruiting wise, to come here. O'leary or Fulse, anyone heard anything?

TLuv

"We want to play the University of Florida. I've told their athletics director that. They will not play us" -Kirby Hocutt

dadesfynest83

Former Temple defensive coordinator Mark D'Onofrio, defensive line coach Jethro Franklin and defensive backs coach Paul Williams will join the Miami staff and be allowed to recruit this week thanks to an NCAA waiver.

I guess that means we lose Pitri ??? I really wanted him to stay on... along with Stout and I'm still an endorser of Whip. All these complaints about him this year but everyone had a love affair with that guy his first year with us. I don't think the lack of offensive production was all him...

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