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May 28, 2011

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2002nemo

Good morning.

Jersey_Cane

I am with Al, let's not lower the expectations at Miami. I am confident we will return to the top and I believe we have the right personnel to make this happen.

SinisterCane

2nd

Canechic

You guys are in for some serious heartache.....my little birdie says to me last night while watching the baseball game "football really is going to be bad next year".

What is that soup says......"just saying!".

ny miamialum

What a bitchass blog post this is. I mean WTF??? Why don't you go root for Eastern Michigan Mr. Low Expecations Guy.

STOP THE BITCHASSNESS AND GIRD UP!

Old Skool

Best UM football head coach ever.

JJ, Howard, Dennis or Butch

My vote would be JJ for overall
Although Howard would get it for greatest achievement by creating something from next to nothing.

Anyway, in style and temperament, who would be the closest to JJ? Based on what I've read, it would be Golden.

Does that mean he'll win an NC? Not necessarily, but it does mean we should expect a lot of energy and positive vibes radiating from Greentree.

roachcane77

Ahh, the good ole days. Calvin, Esteban, Cavaleer... THOSE were some epic Cane bloggers... (and diehard 12%ers.)

I'm pulling hard for Golden and our boys to make a quick return trip to the promised land, but, like Soup has said, it's been a tough few years.

Even Golden knows we have some major depth issues... (not the least of which is the QB position.) Championship teams will almost always need to call upon solid backups at some point during a season when key starters go down.... not sure if we're there yet depthwise. AG seems on top of this problem though, (if the number & quality of recent commits are any indication.)

I'll never rule out a "cinderella" season though... 12% all the way!

roachcane77

One thing seems for SURE though...

The players are getting better nutrition, and tougher workouts and practices now.

(That alone should be worth a couple of wins that we didn't get last year... )

SOUP

STOP THE BITCHASSNESS AND GIRD UP!

Posted by: ny miamialum | May 28, 2011 at 09:43 AM

Your reading comprehension score is very, very low my friend.

And I really enjoy you making your point clear by going ALL CAPS in your post also.

However I'm going to go along with you and "GIRD UP" because that is what Captain Optimist would do.

Yes, I still can remember the time back in 2007 when Randy Shannon was hired and almost immediately Captain Optimist told the rest of college football to "STRAP UP!"

How'd that work out for U?

SOUP

You guys are in for some serious heartache.....my little birdie says to me last night while watching the baseball game "football really is going to be bad next year".

Posted by: Canechic | May 28, 2011 at 09:42 AM

Not according to NY Miamialum!

Actually, I don't think it will be that bad at all. Here's why:

1. There is no doubt that the UM football team will be a stronger, faster, better conditioned and tougher team.

2. There will be more team unity, togetherness and cohesiveness. There will be more competition, best players will play and allledged favoritism will be eliminated.

3. The players will be better coached and more focused. Execution should improve.

4. More disciplined play and fewer penalties and fewer turnovers ALONE can win an additonal 2 games. Add in some better special teams play in the return game and punt block team and U may have something evenif the kicking game may be questionable.

5. I believe that these coaches will have more positive realtionships that will produce more collaboration and better game plans than last year.

Combine those factors and 9-3 is the minimum of what UM fans should expect.

From there it seems that 10-2 is very doable, 11-1 is definitely exceeding expectations and 12-0 is NOT out of the question with a few lucky breaks and NO major injuries.

canechic

my little birdie has never failed me so I am going with that. Heard some things.....

The Chief may be a little better but the Indians are still the same!!!

I see 9-3 as the best case scenario 10-2 is really dreaming!!!

canechic

I was flipping between baseball and hockey last night and came to the realization that..........BASEBALL IS A REALLY SLOOOOOW GAME!

Posted by: Canechic | May 28, 2011 at 08:22 AM

canechic

Soup what makes you think this crew is more disciplined?

canechic

Oh and one more thing if I recall the player screaming about favoritism was Storm Johnson and well we all know how that has worked out.

Believe me or not but there is A LOT, A LOT of trouble with this team and one good leader is not going to solve all that fails it in a few months!!!!!

Sarasota 'cane

10-2.

And the strike called last night to end the bases loaded 8th inning was possibly one of the worst calls that I have ever witnessed. I'm sure you guys were all over it, but I didn't go back and read the old blog.

Go 'canes!

mi@mic@ne

There was only a couple of games that we were not competitive. But even those games we still were in the game until the fourth quarter.

I just wish Williams was available to push JH and Steven. We could use a big strong qb to balance out that run attack.
All of our games this yr are going to be close... lets see if Golden can get these guys to step it up when it counts like the Heat did against Cheatcargo.

SOUP

Soup what makes you think this crew is more disciplined?

Posted by: canechic | May 28, 2011 at 11:56 AM

Not as an ENTIRE team, there will always be a few bad apples or lazy players.

But there were already some players that had the right attitude and work ethic and they have upped their level of workouts and committment.

Most importantly from the reports I have been getting on the regular there are DEFINITELY an additional handful of players who have got the Golden religion and now "get it".

I will not name names of who is and who isn't but trust me there are some in BOTH camps. Look I am a realist too and I understand that only 50% of the team may get 50% better in 2011.

But that will be a LOT better this year.

And that is an amount that will get us at LEAST 2 more wins in 2011.

Wrap it up, I'll take it!

SOUP

It is easy to point the finger at a few slackers. Certainly there are a few.

It is also wise to point out a few true winners on this team. And there are PLENTY!

Scribe747SP

One does not have to be Colonel Optimist to will your Football expecting a National Championship. If you listen to UiF players, they are in Gainesville to WIN championships!

Their Admin design-schedules games to play Charleston So. & FAM-U but not the []_[] specifically for championship-peril avoidance. Even after UiF crashed & burned last year, Gator players cite one goal: Nat'l Championship!

UM current players have the benefit of the ear & wisdom of a certain Art Kehoe sporting all five UM Nat'l
Championship rings! There is a legacy of Championship that is inherent in the veins of Hurricanes. While they have won 5 recent championships, politics & zebras have facilitated other teams to deny UM ANOTHER 5 'ships.

Therefore, this UM T E A M, not unlike others, places itself squarely & totally in contention for 2011 BCS Championship.

And while any team would need a lucky break here or there on the long 12-game run, there is zero reason, in light of the legacy of the []_[] to uphold, not to CanesEye on12-O & BCS Championship, and thus be a member of 2O11 version of the mythical 12% club without being "unrealistic".

mi@mic@ne

They should have put ring ropes around the lane on Cheatcargos end.

RCCF

Good Article....Good Article....I am 12%ing again this year U knw my motto "whtz the point in expecting to lose"....If We are the U tht everyone refers too then Losing is NOT acceptable....I think this year is going to be much better but hey thtz jus me n my crazy 12% thoughts....


RCCF

Canechic

Soup I remain very skeptical. I really do not have much faith in many of these kids. Many, even those who you guys think are improving have a terrible, terrible work ethic in all areas. So with that said 9-3 is the best I think we get out of this team and I will not at all be stunned if we lose the first game....well besides the few bottom feeder teams I am not sure any loss would surprise me.

Six

News on Gray Crow though from last night, I was getting texts from a guy in the booth … his team, Countryside, won 49-19 over St.Pete High

He said that Countryside had Crow throwing in 5 WR formations and had him back in the shotgun. He threw for a little over 200 yards and had 4 TDs in the 1st Half


This is only spring jamboree football though

Need to see what he does during the regular season, but they sure the hell weren't running him out there in 4 or 5 WR spread sets last year. He was more in a pro style formation, with an occasional 1 back set while he was in shotgun

Canechic

Like I have said many times I am a huge Miami Hurricane fan but not a fan at all of many of these players! Knowing some things I know makes it very difficult to scream for them.....just the truth!

And just to get this straight they are not "bad" kids but they are selfish, lazy kids who really don't have much of a drive to be champions. Now like you said every team has a few like this but I would say 80% of this current team is made up of these....and I kid not and this makes me really sad!

SOUP

"One does not have to be Colonel Optimist to will your Football expecting a National Championship. If you listen to UiF players, they are in Gainesville to WIN championships!"

I have NO DOUBT that the PLAYERS on every major team think they have a chance of winning every game and a national championship. Of course that is what they SHOULD be thinking.

But fans are a different lot.

SOUP

1. Soup I remain very skeptical.

2. I really do not have much faith in many of these kids. Many, even those who you guys think are improving have a terrible, terrible work ethic in all areas.

Posted by: Canechic | May 28, 2011 at 01:16 PM

1. This is NOT a shocker to any of us. I'm jus sayin. ;-)

2. U are painting this team with TOO broad a brush. Sure there are some players that are simply lazy or feel self entitled but that is no different from many of their generation and most other college football players on all teams. This is not a unique "plague" that is only infecting The U but all sports teams.

mi@mic@ne

I heard that Golden does not put up with laziness. These kids will be replaced and told to find another school if they are lazy. The freshmen will replace them... there are a lot of openings for the incoming freshmen.

Six

Sorry for the loss Bolts fans, the closer you get to the finals the more the loss hurts. It really sucks when they are in the Finals and lose or in Tempe Arizona and a flag gets thrown.

Posted by: CGNC | May 28, 2011 at 12:21 AM


I know that all the stores in Tampa that sell Lightning gear are the ones that will be real sorry that the Bolts lost - b/c all those Tampa fans that just sprung up out of nowhere as the playoffs progressed will be returning their newly purchased gear

Great example - yesterday during one of our live shots outside of a sports bar in Tampa, bunch of Bolts fans, our reporter goes to their table, they're all decked out in new Bolts gear, the South Tampa ho's sitting at the table all basically just want to go snort a bump of cocaine to go with their drink ... our reporter asks the guy who was sitting there in his brand new Bolts hat and shirt what he thinks will happen for the game

The guy starts going on about how good the new coach is, even though he couldn't remember his name and our reporter had to finally tell him the name ... then he talks about how his favorite player is that guy "Saint Martin" and how he's done so well in the playoffs, how he deserves to have a chance to finally play for the Cup

Yep. And that guy was completely stone cold sober

1) I think he meant Martin St. Louis
2) He already did play for the Cup, and won it
3) Please know the name of the head coach of your own team. That's fine if you can't name the head coach of any other team in the league, but please at least know the name of your own head coach

If you're a new fan, that's cool, nothing wrong with it, everyone was at one point and time. If you're a new fan that tries to act like you've been a fan since the get, then at least do your research. A knowledgeable fan base is a better fan base


orange 'n green in the vein

Posted by: CaneRock | May 28, 2011 at 03:35 AM

CR, I'm saying the torch of NBA's popularity was passed from Bird's broken down back and Magic's unprotected tail chasing to Zeke and MJ, not that they laid down for them but that rivalry set the table for a swell in popularity that Thomas would wrest away from them then for Jordan to eventually take over and take it to another global level.

If you don't think The Bad Boys had a watershed impact on the NBA then you obviously didn't notice the way defense turned to a nasty pitch in the early 90's in their championship wake leading to Riley's Knicks redefining the way playoff basketball looked in the half-court set and the league office subsequently changing the rules on hand-checking the perimeter ball handler and then ten years or so later the way all players running or driving a lane were allowed to be impeded by the defense in calling fouls to get rid of that style of defensive play in response to them. I never said the on court legacy of his teams was a good one, just there was one which was pretty influential for the time.

Great blog, but nothings changed at UM, it's national championship or bust, as usual. I'd say there actually isn't a depth problem at QB, we have the 2nd all time career passer in school history backed up by a underclassmen with about half a year of starts under his belt, which is much deeper than just about every other team in college football for 2011 runs at the most important position on the field. Next year we'll have Morris plus whatever run he gets this season and Memphis' starter with a year of experience added in with whoever signs and arrives to school so we'll be in a similar position for '12, not too unenviable IMO.

mi@mic@ne

The will to win is much stronger than the physicality even tho you need those tangibles. You wont get beat up if your at the top of your game.

JJ used to say every recruiting cycle... "im going out to get someone who can replace you." lol

orange 'n green in the vein

http://philsteele.com/Pdf/2011PreseasonHonors/AllACC.pdf

I'm interested to know if canechic's little bird told her any of the UM guys on this projection are unduly being promoted beyond their desire to excel?

Logan Thomas 3rd team? Steele must really like the way he hands the ball off to the tailback or something.

SOUP

Now like you said every team has a few like this but I would say 80% of this current team is made up of these....and I kid not and this makes me really sad!

Posted by: Canechic | May 28, 2011 at 01:23 PM

80%? E I G H T Y P E R C E N T???

C'mon now, that % is completely arbitrary and a HUGE exaggeration!

Go position by position and name which players are and which ones aren't. U will not come up with 80%. No way, no how.

Since we are throwing arbitrary numbers around then I say 25% probably, 30% maybe, 40% perhaps, maximum.

No way more than 50% of the players on this team are lazy, worthless, losers. NO WAY!

80% and U would have lost every game.

Here is what I am trying to say in a nutshell:

1. IF Golden can get the estimated 60% of the players that are motivated and want to be the best they can be and MAKE THEM BETTER with effective player development then that will produce much better results.

2. IF Golden can get 20% of the 40% (maximum) to come away from the dark side and see the light that will result in a HUGE improvement in the results of this team.

3. Combine #1 and #2 above and that will result in a HUGE improvement in this team.

CaneRock

I don't recall our upcoming schedule, but as long as Miami DOMINATES, and wins the games that they're SUPPOSED to win, and COMPETE in the games that their not favored to win, then I'll be alright with whatever our W/L total turns out to be.

I think that our perception of the great Miami teams have given us this misconception that we can beat anybody anywhere...with ANYBODIES. <<<

CaneRock

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Those great Miami teams didn't win with ANYBODIES, they won with great players who possessed great ATTITUDES,MENTAL TOUGHNESS, and INTENSITY, we weren't winning with Tinkerbells out there. And all this crap about somebody pushing somebody so the person in front can raise their level of play is just that...CRAP. REAL COMPETITION is YOU AGAINST YOURSELF, YOU have to be the SELF STARTER, YOU have to MOTIVATE YOU, and until AG gets these young men to buy into that, then we'll see the results won't be that much improved from what we've seen the last few years...

SOUP

There is a legacy of Championship that is inherent in the veins of Hurricanes.

Therefore, this UM T E A M, not unlike others, places itself squarely & totally in contention for 2011 BCS Championship.

And while any team would need a lucky break here or there on the long 12-game run, there is zero reason, in light of the legacy of the []_[] to uphold, not to CanesEye on12-O & BCS Championship.

Posted by: Scribe747SP | May 28, 2011 at 12:57 PM

"Legacy" ain't never made a tackle, blocked anybody, completed a pass or kicked a FG.

Players do that.

SOUP

If "Legacy" was responsible for winning football games Notre Dame would go undfeated every year.

How's that working for them?

orange 'n green in the vein

80% = 4 out of every 5.

Sounds a little high to me too. That would mean about 13 on the scholarship roster don't fall into that category, that's barely half a starting lineup on both sides of the ball.

2 out of every 5 = 40%, sounds closer to me but still maybe a little high. That means about a pro team worth of the scholarship roster doesn't fall into that category.

SOUP

Canechic...there are somne things we know that U know. There are also some things that U don't know about before (Shannon) and after (Golden). Trust me on this.

One BIG thing? Swasey then and now. And not just "yeah the workouts are harder." Much more and much deeper than that.

U think Whipple and Shannon were at odds?

That is nothing!

Scribe747SP

"Legacy ain't never..." but it reins within the veins of players of the []_[], past Championship players, and present Championship aspirant players alike.

dj moonbat

Now that Hankerson is gone, I can't think of a single guy on the 'Canes football team that I can count on, game in and game out, to just rock the house. (Lamar Miller shows the most potential for being The Guy next year. Spence on D.)

Obviously, there are plenty of guys who can "flash" greatness, but we're going to need four or five guys who are just consistently awesome before we can even think ACC, much less BCS. Just hoping that four or five of your superbly talented players decide to show up on the same Saturday is not a recipe for success.

Cane chic

Soup heard all the Randy stuff trust me! I still firmly believe lots of housecleaning needs to be done before we say 10-2 trust me!

And honestly just telling you what my gut tells me and what I expect! You guys can believe what u want. I am just being real and have taken my blinders off :)

Typing at the apple store!

Go canes!

Cane chic

Lots of stuff going on @ u athletics not just with football.

Cane chic

If you heard some garbage that comes from these kids mouths promise u u would say 80% too....just call it like I see it and every time I think I am painting the team with a broad brush.....I just watch them on Sat. And at the bowl game! They play just like they
talk!

SOUP

"Legacy ain't never..." but it reins within the veins of players of the []_[], past Championship players, and present Championship aspirant players alike.

Posted by: Scribe747SP | May 28, 2011 at 03:20 PM

Whatever! U should change your blog name to: The Legacy.

SinisterCane

Soup/CaneChic whats up with all the side talk? :) Could you spill the beans to us less mortals!

CaneRock

CaneChic, we could've been 10-2 last season with some COMPETENT coaching. The UVA,VT, and USF games were winnable from a TALENT standpoint, but we lost those games from a MENTAL standpoint. During RS's time, all we did was just PILE ISH ON TOP OF ISH, we didn't do ANYTHING, in ANY game or season, to build SOMETHING. Tell me--since last season is recent memory--what did we do last season that made you say, "Oh, we can build off of this game."?

Canechic

All I can say is wait and see...hope I am wrong really do but I said that all last season too!

Randy had issues, the school has issues but these kids do too. So hopefully with the new staff and some new leadership the canes may get on track in the next couple of years but it won't be next year....I assure u!

Canechic

Sinister issues with Randy's personality, his ability to lead, his ability to handle the media and all in all his ineffectiveness as a head coach. Kids talked bad about him alumni sure did not like him and now he is gone.

My issues are with the lack of respect and lack of work ethic most of these kids have....they just don't have it! Lots of slackers and " easy way out" guys on this team.....a very lazy lot! They diss both coaches constantly and quite frankly constantly complain about having too much practice and way too much school. They would much rather chase tale and play video games. Not ever too much talk about winning a championship for the school, they love and has given them an opportunity. In fact some of the guys even say they don't even believe they can win. Of course my favorite games get in the way of their social plans.

So believe what you like listen to whomever you want.....unless a serious about face happens we are less than 9-3 and you can vault it all!

Canechic

Ok now I am finished.

Did the baseball game get rained out again?

mi@mic@ne

You got to look at what made us lose those games last yr. There were two things. The penalties and the lack of effort on the defense in the fourth quarter. If we do not give the ball over to our opponent in our own end of the field then we dont give them points.
If we are in better shape then we are not going to give up big yardage when it counts.
On d did pretty good in stopping the them most of the games but we had our lack of concentration and gave up big plays.

We also played inconsistent like we played Clemson really tough then we go to Dooggy and loaf around.

I think the main problems was not the players ... Randy threw them under the bus and played head games with them all yr long. Although Randy did was not allocated the monies that Golden has access to also. But maybe Randy does not use the funds in the way Golden does.

We put up some good numbers last yr. Golden will eliminate the mistakes and motivate the players who will respond in the fourth quarter this yr.

Ive seen transition from the 80s so its going to take a couple of yrs to change the culture. But one thing we can look for is if the team responds in a positive way toward adversity. That will bring in the new culture.

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