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June 04, 2011

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SinisterCane

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86Cane

until these kids pull themselves out of it they will wander in the wilderness of losers. THEY HAVE TO WANT TO DO IT AND THAT MEANS CHANGING....Can they??? Will they???

Posted by: canechic | June 04, 2011 at 08:27 PM

OH NO! She's back on da ledge!

Six do your best to talk her down my man, talk her down?

canechic

86 I will keep screaming until I see some kids with some want....get angry when you screw up....something.....I just see those shrugging shoulders and I want to go over there and pinch some sense into them (I never hit my kids but I would pinch them if they had a temper tantrum).

Now saying all of that...I think that Carey has it...he seems to play better than the seniors.

86Cane

CC...U now we all love U but please chica, calmate por favor? Sports is what sports does. It's all good.

Except of course if you have a 15 point lead in the finals but the NBA tells U to let it go so the series can go six games to generate more revenue then U just do it!

Wink, wink...

canechic

"it is what it is " I will just sit back and enjoy mediocrity!


AngryCane

86....

It's good thing we live in a one-story house! ;)

9-0, 9-0... INTO FSU, HERE WE GO!!

Six

86 - I think you know how I feel about the baseball program and the way it's been handled/headed over the past 4 years now

I've wanted the assistants canned for a little while now and Morris for me is on a short leash himself

I'll take George Horton to replace him - and ya I'm about to say this - I would've taken George Horton over Morris from 2004-present

I have no idea how Oregon landed him, but they're very very lucky

Oregon didn't even field a baseball team from 1982-2008 b/c it was a club sport

They hire Horton, their first season in 27 years they go 14-42

The next year, they go 40-24

This is a quote from Horton about his Oregon team this year ...

“It was a frustrating year, one of the most frustrating in my career,” Horton said. “As I've said before, these kids are good human beings. They're good students, they're good citizens, and they treat each other unbelievably well. I just didn't like their competitive personality all the time.

“Maybe that's being soft, I don't know, but they gave in a lot. We teach toughness, and they make commitments, and they work hard in the weight room and in conditioning, just like all my teams. They just couldn't find that comfort level in the face of adversity.”

He kicked a kid off the team after the kid argued with him. He suspended his best hitter for the first 7 games for breaking a team rule

He's going to turn that program around

Imagine what he could do at Miami

4-Real

Word on da skreet is dat a turd fan started a rumor bout Ray Ray being out like a scout on a new route

AngryCane

NOW THE MARLINS DROP ONE... AGAIN!!!! >(

Trying to stay positive....

"I'm tryin' Ringo... I'm tryin' real hard..."

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86Cane

Word on da skreet is dat a turd fan started a rumor bout Ray Ray being out like a scout on a new route

Posted by: 4-Real | June 04, 2011 at 10:01 PM

As far as I know that is a lie, ALL lies on dat skreet.

He has been a STAR since Al took over.

86Cane

Wanna know who "gets it"?

For starters (this is not a comprehensive list) here U go:

On offense: #5, #6, #12, #72, #46.

On defense: #26, #29, #31, #97, #99.

86Cane

OK, so U are saying "I knew this" or "That is obvious" but did U know that: These players also "get it":

On defense we have: #32, #22, #58 and #59.

BTW...My friend Al also talked to the new LBs #36, #52 and looked them in the eye and helped them realize that their jobs are not promised and challenged them to well...U know, knock the Shyte outta somebody if they wanna win a J O B right?

On offense #1, #86 and #2 are all looking good, And the guy wearing #78 is gonna get a flag for U know what and my buddy Al likes that?

Oh yeah, and that's just the start of the Storm...

WindyCane-Forecast1

Wanna know who "gets it"?

For starters (this is not a comprehensive list) here U go:

On offense: #5, #6, #12, #72, #46.

On defense: #26, #29, #31, #97, #99.

Posted by: 86Cane | June 05, 2011 at 12:02 AM

That's more good news. If these players have good years, the Canes will have a special season.

Go Canes!

solarcane

I'm wondering if getting it and doing it are remotely related with #12
If he has an epiphany about his situation like TJ Yates did as a senior maybe so.

solarcane

CORAL GABLES, Fla.--Today, senior defensive back Lee Chambers is on the hot seat.

"Standing on stage receiving my diploma I was nervous, but I felt a relief. Like a bunch of weight was lifted off my back. A lot of people don’t realize how hard it is to be a student and an athlete at the same time. You have to be able to balance time between the two, and it’s difficult. Now, I could lean more toward one that I have my degree. I’m trying to get my Master’s, but at the same time, the things I was missing in football I can focus in on more now without the stress of school. It’s a blessing to finally get my degree in four years.

I didn’t think I would be playing defensive back. I had 25 scholarship offers coming out of high school. A little over half of those were offering me to play defensive back, and since you can only take five official visits, that helped me with my eliminations, because I knew running back was in my heart. All the schools that wanted me to play defensive back I eliminated. I never thought in a million years the position that everyone recruited me for, is the one that I would end up playing.

Competition is like fuel to me. When you play football, you enjoy competition. That’s what the game is mostly about. At the end of the day, you want to see who the best is. We come to practice every day and compete, because one thing about it, you can’t get hurt, you can’t get tired, or any of that, because the man behind you is just as good as you. One mistake and you might never play again, so you don’t want to risk that. That’s what competition is all about, not only going against another team, but competition within our own team.

Switching to defensive back was hard. To be honest, it was very hard. Since I’ve been here my biggest problem has been injuries. I wasn’t the smallest running back on the depth chart, but I was pushing it size-wise at the position for the college level. You have to be at least 200 pounds, and I was always between 190 and 195 – I could never get over the hump. Because of that, I stayed injury-prone. Every time I felt like I was at a breaking point, an injury would pop up and set me back.

Me and Coach Shannon sat down one day and discussed it because on defense, we knew they would be thin at defensive back. I’m a team player, so I don’t care. I’m an athlete, and I’ll do whatever to help the team. Whatever it takes to win, I’ll do it. He said he felt I would be a great fit, and it would be a good opportunity because a lot of guys were leaving and it would give me a chance to compete for a starting job, so I just took it and ran with it.

When I first got out there and started running, first thing I realized was that I had to lose weight. I was like 195 pounds and couldn’t fly around at defensive back at that weight, so I had to drop and become more conditioned. I adjusted well, and I’m surprising myself everyday with how I’ve gotten better at it.

I secretly wish that we didn’t have to condition so much (laughs).

Playing football has given me other opportunities in life. I never thought, coming from Mississippi, that I would be playing football for the University of Miami. But because I played so well in high school and worked hard at it, and did what I had to do, it got me here. I just got my degree, and it’s given me other opportunities in life. It also taught me that when football does end, I can take the same things I learned from football— like working hard and being on time—and use it in other aspects of my life once football is over.

Mississippi is very family-oriented, and every city is small. Houses are spaced out; down here, when you want to go to a grocery store, it’s right around the corner. There you might have to drive 15 or 20 minutes. The next big city was 25 minutes away. I grew up climbing trees and running around barefoot. You never forget about home, and I love Mississippi, because it made me the person I am today.

I’ll never forget scoring my first touchdown here at the U. It was on the goal line, it was only a two-yard touchdown, but it was a great experience to finally get in the end zone on the college stage. You’ve been through it so much in high school; the dream is to do it on another level.

The U is a team that feels we are against the world, with our backs against the wall. No one respects us, so we feel we have to go out and earn their respect. When you talk about the U, it’s all about hard work, competing every day to be the best. We feel that we are the best.

We are all family here at the U. We take care of each other, on and off the field. It’s like a brotherhood. The NFL guys come back, and we have a great time seeing them in the weight room, laughing and talking with them when they talk about their experiences here and in the NFL. It’s like we’re all one big family.


I’m very excited for this year, to see what’s going to be the outcome. It’s my last year; I’m trying to put all I can into it. That’s the main thing – giving it all I got. Because this is my last go-round, and who knows? This could be my last year ever playing football in my life. I’m just trying to give it all I got. I just come out everyday with an open mind and work and hope for the best.

I can’t lie, there have been plenty of days, from freshman year even until yesterday, and people don’t realize what goes into football. A lot of the fans think you just throw us a football and we go play. They don't see the preparation we put into it, throughout the summers, throughout the offseason, during the season with all the film study and all that, they don’t see it. As an athlete and a student, guys get stressed. Practices are not easy. Nothing is easy. It’s hard work all around."


4-Real

Owe u an apology 86, will xplain later :)

canechic

86 for years we have been saying these kids get it cuz someone watched a few minutes of practice, had an interview or watched a tape. The only way we know for sure is by what they show on the field on Saturday! I am not impressed with anyone's "insight " these days. More wrong impressions than right impressions. Wait and see is my mode, my attitude! Everything else is wishful thanking and just pure wanting!
     
“Truth may sometimes hurt but delusion harms." - Vanna Bonta


canechic

Mike bianchi on the heat and the u:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/college/fl-bianchi-miami-heat-hurricanes-recr20110604,0,4078202.column

HillViewCane

I haven't weighed in for a while but I just want to add my two cents from the last blog.

The athletes should get paid. There are already students who get free scholarships and get paid. TA's, Grad Assistants, researchers hell work study staff. They are students can get scholarships and get paid.

The biggest problem is training for these sports take up so much time outside of classes. TA's, work study kids etc etc. do not have to spend nearly as much time outside of their classes working to get paid as these athletes have to spend on their sports. Even if you change the rules to let them work, they don't have much time after putting in the sports hours unless they give up the "other" parts of college life and that is like winning the War on Drugs it ain't happening

I think Canechic said her daughter mentioned the kids have time to do things eg watch tv etc etc. But those are the ones who aren't getting good grades. They are putting their study time into these other things. Which many kids do in college.

Plus other students get to travel all of the time. If you are in a club you can travel. A debate team, band etc etc. But if you do these other things you can get paid. Athletes are not the only ones who travel on the school dime. They maybe the most high profile ones but they aren't the only ones.

Another problem. When I was on an academic scholarship I could have people buy me meals. Hell I had Keggers with professors that they paid for. But somebody can't buy these football players a hotdog much less a subway sandwich.

This is a money society. Would you take a job where you were told all of your expenses would be paid for by the company but you get no cash do little individual things you want to do. You can't just what expesnses would be covered? What kind of benefit is that? People in prison get free meals and can get a free education also?

I was in a meeting on Friday a bitch session for staff at my job. The topic of overtime came up. My job doesn't like to give out extra cash for overtime they prefer you get extra holiday days. One of my co-workers said "Holiday time is nice but money says you love me"

These kids break there bones for us, seriously. I tore an ACL and Lateral Meniscus once and the two surgeries and months of rehab and the inability to sprint full speed anymore for theh rest of my life ...these kids do this so we can laugh and sometimes cry. Partly so we can have a little more meaning and substance in our lives these kids play sport. So we can have more memories. I am not saying break the bank but money says you love me. I love watching Canes play, I hate watching the Canes play. I say pay em. Hell I would go further than most would go and say pay them based on performance. That is the American way.

"But small school wouldn't be able to compete blah blah blah" Hell they can't compete now. But even if my idea seems a little extreme they should still be able to get something outside of tuituion coverage.

Once again Prisoners get free room, board and academic opportunities. Hell they even get free clothing.

86Cane

HillView...we will do a feature article on this issue soon and have a poll to take an official vote on whether college athletes should be paid or not.

86Cane

Owe u an apology 86, will xplain later :)

Posted by: 4-Real | June 05, 2011 at 01:48 AM

No apology needed. Just bring the 411.

NativeCane

Hurricanesports

The University of Miami got out to an early lead, made a highlight defensive play and received several strong individual performances, but all that was not enough as the Canes dropped a pressure-packed regional game to the University of Florida, 5-4, on Saturday evening at McKethan Stadium.

The loss puts the No. 2 seed Hurricanes (37-22) in the loser’s bracket of the draw, needing three wins over the next two days to advance to the Super Regionals. Miami faces No. 3 seed Jacksonville in an elimination game on Sunday at Noon. Jim Morris has announced that freshman Bryan Radziewski (9-2) will make the start on the mound for the Hurricanes. The winner of the game will play No. 1 seed and No. 2 national seed Florida (47-16) at 4 p.m.

Heartbreak occurred once again for Miami in Gainesville on Saturday, as the Canes have now dropped seven-consecutive games to the Gators, and ten of the last eleven ballgames.

An unconventional rally aided by miscues in the bottom of the ninth led the Canes to their downfall on this night.

A Stephen Perez error on a groundball allowed Florida’s Daniel Pigott to reach safely to start the rally. After Canes’ pitcher Travis Miller was called for a balk and walked Vickash Ramjit, Jim Morris brought in closer Daniel Miranda. The lefty proceeded to walk third baseman Cody Dent to set up a walk-off single by shortstop Nolan Fontana, sending the crowd home happy in Gainesville.

The beginning of the game looked promising for the Hurricanes as they jumped out to a 2-0 lead, and received a spectacular catch from right fielder Dale Carey in the first inning. Preston Tucker ripped a liner deep to right, but Carey dove back and to his right to make a sprawling grab to keep Florida from scoring in the first. It was another play to add to Carey’s growing outfield highlight reel.

The Hurricanes manufactured a run to start the scoring in the third inning. Brad Fieger drilled a double to left center and advanced to third on a sacrifice bunt from Shane Rowland. After Zeke DeVoss worked a walk after falling behind 0-2, Nathan Melendres lifted a sacrifice fly to center field to bring in Fieger for the first run of the game.

Miami kept the momentum going with another run in the fourth.

Harold Martinez worked a tough at-bat into a single, and scored two batters later on a double by Perez to give Miami an early 2-0 lead after 3 1/2 innings of play.

The usually raucous McKethan Stadium crowd was hushed at this time, as Miami starter Eric Whaley was cruising – and Miami was getting to Florida star pitcher Hudson Randall who dominated the Canes back in March.

However, the partisans came to life in the bottom of the fourth inning after the Gators roped three doubles to tie to the score at two. One of the runs was unearned, as third baseman Brad Fieger dropped a foul pop to allow Florida an extra out in the inning.

Florida took its first lead in the fifth with a leadoff double from Vickash Ramjit, scoring on a single from Fontana and an error by Rony Rodriguez in left field. The play was made worse when DeVoss made an errant throw attempting to catch Fontana rounding first base. After a single from Bryson Smith, Tucker roped his second double of the game to give the Gators the 4-2 lead. Whaley limited the damage by recording a strikeout and a fly-out to end the inning to give the Canes a chance to come back.

The Hurricanes added their third run with a two-out rally in the sixth inning on a Dale Carey double down the left field line and a RBI single from Fieger to bring the Canes to within 4-3.

Whaley left the game for Adam Sargent in the sixth inning. In five innings of work, Whaley allowed nine hits, three earned runs, while striking out three and not surrendering a walk. Sargent went one scoreless inning.

Randall went six innings for the Gators, giving up six hits and three earned runs. He threw a season-high 96 pitches.

The Hurricanes tied the game in the seventh inning off reliever Greg Larson. DeVoss led off the inning with his second hit of the game, and advanced to second on Nathan Melendres’ third sacrifice bunt of the regional to set up an RBI hit from Rodriguez. Miami threatened for more, but Fontana made a diving play at shortstop on a pinch-hitter Cade Kreuter grounder to force the runner at second to end the inning.

The game became a battle of the bullpens from there, with Sam Robinson pitching 2 1/3 perfect innings for Miami, and Nick Maronde and Tommy Toledo keeping the Canes off the scoreboard for the Gators in the final innings.

The Hurricanes had chances to score in the top of the eighth and ninth innings, but came away unsuccessful each time. DeVoss struck out with runners on the corners and two outs in the eighth after Carey and Rowland singled. Moreover, after Melendres doubled to start the ninth, Toledo retired the next three batters in succession to end the threat and set up the heroics in the bottom of the ninth inning for the homestanding Gators.

Toledo (5-3) earned the win for Florida, while Travis Miller (2-2) took the loss for Miami.

DeVoss and Fieger each recorded two hits and Rowland caught two runners stealing for the Canes. However, four errors led to two unearned runs for the Gators and the downfall of the Hurricanes in Gainesville once again.

In order to get another shot at the Gators, Miami will need to beat Jacksonville on Sunday. The Canes defeated the Dolphins on Friday, 7-2.

NativeCane

Took my grandson to his first college game in Gainesville yesterday.
Was disapointed in dropped balls, lack of concentration, men left on base,but in spite of that Canes were still in it til the bottom of the ninth.
This baseball team has the same symptoms that the Shannon led Football team had and that is lack of hustle and taking care of the little things that win ball games.

I asked the G-Unit what his favorite part of the game was and he said watching Sam Robinson pitch in relief and I agree that kid is fun to watch.

Go Canes!!!

86Cane

His name is: Alfred James Golden.

I'll just call him AJ from now on, I like it better than Al.

TJL

If they SEC coaches start paying the players 300.00 per game like Spurior suggested they wouldn't the players being taking huge pay cut?

Canespace

From College Football News:

Apparently, there’s a report making the rounds that North Carolina will receive its notice of allegations from the NCAA “on or around June 10.”

The UNC football program has been the subject of an NCAA investigation into both multiple players receiving impermissible benefits as well as academic misconduct. A total of 14 players missed games in 2010 as a result of the scandal, with a handful of players — including starters on both sides of the ball — missing the entire season.

Regardless of when the school receives their notice from the NCAA, they’ll have 90 days to respond to the sanctions handed down by the Association.

86Cane

Canes baseball on ESPNU at noon.

SOUP

R-Rod thrown out at home trying to score from second on a hit to LF from H-Mart.

Canes do NOT score in the top of the first, Jax coming to bat...

SinisterCane

When did Randy start coaching basball? How many errors on the season so far?

Cane Beisbol Fever, Catch It ... Errrrr, Boot It ...

Error numero 1 … 1st. Inn. stay tUned.

2 Nada, U down

Big Daddy Cane

Mike Bianchi's story is not right...forget about our history for this year's Heat team, NEVER EVER try and seperate us from our proud history.

Montreal-Cane

Morris nothing left in the tank...Time to go. Thanks Jim for the good years and the 2 NC.

Old Skool

Big Daddy

I don't think Mike's point is to try to separate us from our history. It's about marketing a program.

To my reading Ken Dorsey, Vinny Testaverde, Bernie Kosar are all ancient history to recruits. The impact of former players other than from the time the recruits started playing high school ball and actually thinking about which college they wanted to play for is minimal unless, the recruit was a U fan from the get go. In which case, he commits the moment an offer is extended.

Excluding genuine silent commits, anything beyond that immediate response becomes more a matter of marketing prowess and recruiting ability that program history and a recruit's affinity for it.

LeBron and the Heat are strictly a marketing hook, a chance to make the spotlight on the program seem all the brighter.

Big Daddy Cane

I just think it would be a bad idea my friend thats all.

SOUP

U can't win if U can't score.

Miami can't score...still 2-0 Jax going to the bottom of the fifth.

SOUP

Official attendance at today's Al Golden Football Camp is 312 campers! Great group & everyone is having fun, working hard & learning.

Montreal-Cane

Shane Rowland the starting catcher for the Canes 5'10 180

Batting .178 13 RBI

Boy do we miss Grandal!

Very painful to watch Canes baseball this year.

Six

I don't really think the comparison of prisoners and athletes is that great .. maybe that's just me but that's kind of a whack analogy

If you're going to pay football players, you better pay the men/women basketball players, baseball players, softball players, men/women tennis, track & field, cross country, swimming/diving, lacrosse, golf team, crew, etc. as well

Why discriminate on just playing football players? Esp. at basketball schools or hell, even lacrosse schools

SOUP

Six...I think they should pay bloggers, not student-athletes. U agree?

Six

86 - of course, if it's a quality product such as Canespace, there's not doubt their should be payment

(I will take my cut now for propping you up, ha)

I'll tell you this, no one should be paying anyone on Bleacher Report - that site is straight dookie ... I avoid that website at all cost, even hesitant to read any link to it posted on here out of sheer fear of losing any IQ points

usagainsttheworld

Mike bianchi on the heat and the u:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/college/fl-bianchi-miami-heat-hurricanes-recr20110604,0,4078202.column
Posted by: canechic | June 05, 2011 at 09:29 AM

hey team, been away for a while. glad to be back. lebron came into the league straight out of high school right? the U should give him some kind of honorary degree and make lebron an honorary alum of the school.

get some of that money he's making for facilities, name a building after him, utilize the connection for marketing.

send my my commission check when you're done!

solarcane

“Truth may sometimes hurt but delusion harms." - Vanna Bonta

hmmm

I remember a guy's mantra that is

"I'd rather be right than popular."


canechic is 100 % right it doesn't matter what the word on the street is, or some one's inside opinion of who gets anything.
It boils down to seeing results on Saturdays from the player, not his supporters.

Andre Johnson and Lamar Thomas , two guys that definitely got it while playing were clueless when it came to predicting guys that "get it".

Rivals experts were certain a linebacker from Kansas got it more than any other defensive player in America, he didn't.

We saw the best high school QB in America, go to college, get it, lose it, and struggle to get some of it back.

Sean Spence gets it, everybody else needs to have more than a couple nifty runs, a couple big hits, and being able to talk trash at practice to even be taken seriously yet.

orange 'n green in the vein

How come the people who want to professionalize amateur athletics are intent on discriminating against students at a school who just matriculate?

Then they want to throw in comparisons to Roman slaves and prisoners because scholarship football players are given a chance to go to school for free and participate in a sport?

It doesn't hold any water, the Roman slaves were there against their will, not because they signed an agreement for an education in exchange for their displaying the finer points of running somebody through, prisoners are in prison because they were found guilty of a crime by a jury of their peers beyond a shadow of a reasonable doubt and sentenced, not because they signed a deal to go spend some time matriculating for free in an 8 X 10 in exchange for being allowed to break a law.

All this professionalization ruckus because an institution . . . *GASP* . . . sells tickets . . . FOR MONEY . . . to people for admission and that's JUST NOT FAIR! Then don't sign the LOI if you're feeling like you'd be getting the raw end of the deal, it's just that simple. I'm sure the next person in line will find enough equity in the terms being laid out in the deal beforehand to take your spot while you go pro for your precious game playing abilities to be properly compensated with something other than free higher education. But that totally equates to slavery, or prison, or whatever other joke of a false allegory you want to draw because the revenue generated isn't being divided amongst the participants in the form of a paycheck in addition to their already provided and agreed to benefits? Spare me the sob story, please.

SOUP

CANES WIN, CANES WIN!!!

SOUP

Miami wins 6-3 over Jax.

UM vs UF at about 4:45 PM on ESPNU and WVUM.

Name

Sometimes theres things seen at practice that havent been seen in quite awhile. Who knows what kind of record it leads to. Nobody has a clue what the teams Mia. will be like. The practices are intense&much tougher then they can imagine. Anyone who were lucky enough to attend a spring game should be able to agree most of these kids were in alot better shape then the end of last year. AG&the kids have had a good start&if that cant be seen by some fans then I dont know what to say. Take a wait&see approach if some wabr to but IMO I will stand&applaud the efforts most of these kids are giving. I cant predict the future&will only go off the now

HillViewCane

Six I don't remember saying that only football players should get paid. I said athletes.

Why is it a whack analogy? It maybe a whack anology I am just curious as to why you think it is.

I am not comparing the character of the men just saying that I disagree with the opinion that because they get free room and board,food and education they shouldn't be paid because prisoners get the same thing. Atheletes have to perform for these benefits. Prisoners get it just handed to them. They can get it for 30 seconds of effort for 15 years at a cost on avg of 47,000 a year in some places and you can get paid while you are in prison

OGV I am supporting the athletes vs those who just matriculate because of the extra time they have to put into their sports.

Some may say if academic scholarship recepients don't perform they lose their scholarships but think about this for a moment, student athletes can have their scholarship revoked FOR NOT SUCEEDING ON THE FIELD AND IN THE CLASSROOM.

I am not discriminating I am distinguishing and trying to show compassion.

When they don't perform we all say stuff like Jacory needs to spend more time in the film room. This one needs to hit the weights etc etc. We make additional requirements on their time that we don't make of students that are just matriculating or on academic scholarhips with a scrutiny that those on academic scholarships don't receive.

Because you know the terms of a deal OGV doesn't mean the terms of the deal are fair and contrary to popular belief just because you sign a contract does not always mean you should be legally bound by it. Courts frequently don't uphold contracts because they are unfair.

Also the whole Roman slaves thing, I may need to go back and read the comments because I am missing where that comes in. Once again I only used the prison thing because they also get free room and board etc etc. and clothing.

I believe in the American ideal that a man, woman or hermaphrodite should get paid for their labor. This isn't Oliver Twist give them cash. It is as American as Apple Pie. All this no cash stuff is Socialism, Communism or whatever you want to call it. Plus just BS in my not so humble opinion.

I will be honest. I maybe to compassionate for some of you. I like to see people get more. It doesn't take anything from me. I also like to see processes improve. But just remember we all have the right to our opinions. I just have the right to be right.

Actually OGV I have a question for you. Not an antagonistic question to get your panties in a bunch but I really am curious about hearing another opinion. We both agree that we currently have a system in place. The kids sign the contract with the permission of their parents. I just personally believe allowing the kids some extra cash or at minimum the ability to work IMPROVES the system. It's another step forward.

Why do you think the system shouldn't be improved or more fairly why do you think paying the students actually hurts the system?

Also I will preempt the argument of the potential for a Rhett Bhomar from Oklahoma getting paid for nothing by saying summer accociates in law firms get can get paid $10,000 per month for not doing anything of significance but other interns, getting drunk and typing up a few memos.

Even prisoners can get paid for work. Not much but its enough to buy cigarettes and condoms. And really what more do we need than that in life.

Also I will not spare the sob story because I grew up watching GI Joe. I was taught to be a defender of men and speak up when I think I see an injustice. Don't get me wrong I have lived in the third world so I don't think it is a grave injustice but an injustice none the less.

I will speak up for what I think is right and if you want to be spared the sob story spare me the lack of understanding for the possible plights of fellow human beings.

HillViewCane

Also OGV I apoplogize because I forgot to put "please" at the end of my comment you had the decency to do that and I should have followed suit.

Pretty please with cherries on top.

SOUP

HillView...U have too much time on your hands! Your arguments are weak and the prisoner analogy is ridiculous. I'm certainly NOT going to spend four hours of my life coming up with all of the obvious and logical reasons why your arguments are weak, they just are.

I'm jus sayin...

SOUP

Gators 3, UM 0 top of the third inning.

UF with two on and no outs against Ecinosa...

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