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October 29, 2011

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Sarasota 'cane

1st!!

TonyCane

Canechic, agreed with your post on the previous blog. We'll lose most of our top talent after this season. Shannon's 2009 and 2010 classes were not as strong as the 2008 class, which forms the core of the starting roster. Golden will have to recruit hard and well this year. In a best case scenario, we will probably replicate this year's record. Barring sanctions, we can probably only hope for a repeat of Shannon's record in 2008 when he started mostly freshmen. It will be at least three years before we contend.

pbcfrcane13

Ah Duke giving VT a game! When will this turn around! Randy went 5-7 his first season with a senior QB that was over hyped in his career in KW looks a lot like the same season

Hermosa Cane

How is Robert Marve sooooo bad????

longtimecanfan

Thought the same thing. After this years seniors and decent juniors have moved on we'll have very little left. The 2009 and 2010 draft classes looks like busts at this point. AG's gonna need 2-3 years just to reload let alone rebuild with any depth.

Looks like RS left the cupboard bare.....

pbcfrcane13

Next years roster to me looks better then his year IMO because of experiacne by young players. Also I dont really see aybody leaving early because most of there draft stocks has dropped bad

QB: Morris or Williams:I believe it will be William winning the job and we will a get lot of what we got this year from Harris

RB: Miller, Jame, Clements: Miller does not come out this year due to his second half.

FB: Same

WR: Streeter(wont leave can be first one pick with another year like this) Hurns, Dorsett, KThompkins, Scott: This to me will be better with experiace by all the WR losing TB hurt, but Street can take over as our deep threat as we have seen.

TE: Walford, Cleveland, White(may be missing somebody):Be better again just more experiance and Chase being out helps lol J/P

RT: Felciano: Be better
RG: Washington: Be better
C: Mcdermott: Lose experiance
LG: Linder: more eperiance
LT Henderson: Be better healthy

WindyCane-Forecast1

Only 5 ACC teams have won with 21 of fewer points.

VT beat ECU 17-10.
Duke beat BC 20-19
UVA beat Idaho 21-20
GT beat MD 21-16
UNC beat Lousiville 14-7

http://www.theacc.com/sports/m-footbl/sched/acc-m-footbl-sched-full.html

Posted by: SOUP | October 29, 2011 at 10:59 AM

Thanks Soup. So that means you have about a 7% chance of winning when you score 21 points or less.

"Winning isn't everything, but the will to win is everything."
-Vince Lombardi

Go Canes!

pbcfrcane13

On d looks like this again this is no freshman coming in

DE: Chickl/Vernon: WOW better
DT: Porter, Forsten, Smith, Ojomo,Robison: Better
OLD: Perryman, Rbuc, Paul: Better then Futch but lose a lot with spence of course
MLB: Gaines/Cain: Pretty much the same this year
DB: Mcgee(AH i mean he cant get worse can he) Finnie, Crawford, Tyrone: Still stink

Safety: Ray Ray and Rodgers or Highsmith: Will lose here wth JojO being out.

Again Nexy year to me looks a lot better with freshman playing taking licks this year and the fact we get VT, FSU, UNC all at home. Again in the end WHO THE HECK KNOWS LOL

orange 'n green in the vein

Totally TL;DR, so sue me.

Boy did I make the right choice of where to spend the entertainment dollar this week because, except for the opener of Buckcherry (like a bad combination of Motely Crue and Nickleback's worse aspects as a band), three hours of Axl Rose and his hired band of mercenaries in loge seating in front of a crowd commensurate to the old UM basketball games under Hamilton in the late 90's at the arena (just over half full, boisterous but also a lot of go home early wusses) was fantastic! The biggest surprise of the night (other than me drinking the last five beers left from the GT game in less than an hour and not falling down) was no Welcome to the Jungle as the opener instead being slotted behind Chinese Democracy and not hearing My Michelle, Think About You, You're Crazy and Anything Goes from Appetite which are all top flight live rock songs but understandable as to being left off as they're pushing the new stuff on Democracy's tour to sell more records.

In between Dizzy Reed did Teenage Wasteland solo on the the piano, DJ Ashba solo the theme from Bond, "Bumblefoot" Thal put away the twelve string double bridge guitar long enough to solo the Pink Panther theme and everybody joined in on Another Brick in the Wall and Whole Lot of Rosie covers. The show was kind of light on Illusion stuff with only You Could Be Mine, Knocking on Heaven's Door, Live and Let Die, November Rain, Estranged and Don't Cry in the set. The rest of the show was of Democracy with Better, Street of Dreams, Sorry, This I Love (greatest power ballad every written now that I've seen it live and it was way better than on the album) and Madagascar the first of three songs for the encore. Patience and Paradise City closed it out and the best part was, not a single sighting of a poorly timed situational blitz call on defense all night!

Just kidding, kind of, no the best part was that I came away not missing Slash, which is weird because he's the icon but I really believe that these new songs wouldn't sound as good with Slash playing them, I'm not sure he's got the chops to fill Ashba's bowler hat from a technical standpoint anymore and I say that as a huge Saul Hudson mark. Sweet Child of Mine doesn't get the same pop without the cigarette and the hair holding the guitar for the opening riff but it doesn't sound worse off for the loss which is about a big a compliment you can pay the new guy. I have the entire show on digital camera except for three cuts, one during You Could Be Mine, two during Patience.

Anyway back to our regularly scheduled programming of Hurricane fans sticking their head in the ground while saying there's no talent on defense while Al Golden slides farther under a .500% winning percentage as a head coach, although for a Whopper or two, homecoming might not be a loss but it also might actually be a 10 plus point win so buy the burgers, get the tickets, throw the burgers away (or give them to the homeless), then go home and make yourself one with less salt and lower fat in the ground beef, it'll be a good investment at that price, especially if you can move down or at least over to the 50.

orange 'n green in the vein

"HOPE THEY DONT ASK EVERYONE TO WEAR TIES TO THE NEXT GAME.THERE WILL BE ALOT OF HANGINGS IN THE BATHROOM IF WE CANT BEAT DUKE!!!! Posted by: canezilla | October 28, 2011 at 11:18 PM"

LMFAO! You just provided the third biggest highlight of the Al Golden era at UM to date for me 'zilla, well done my good sir!

CGNC

OGV sounds like the concert was loaded with some talent - I like DJ Ashba - I think he worked with Nikki Sixx on his Beautiful Life song

CGNC

Pellini has the Huskers playing pretty solid football

pbcfrcane13

I stil dont see how you but the blame on AG here. I have no clue if he is good coach or not he never got to coach with talent. UVA and Temple? YOu can say we hve talent all day here, but two coaches and the same resluts...so maybe the players need to take some blame. A coach can only do some much in the end the players need to make plays.

I know you dont like AG as a coach, but I think your wrong to sit here and blame him for this season. Did you blame RS for the 5-7 season and he had less crap to deal with like the NCAA suspensions.

canechic

Not a fan at all of any late 80's or 90's hair bands. Classic Rock and Grunge is more my speed for my type of rock....screaming into a microphone does absolutely nothing for me.

Glad you had fun OGV...Was the show at Amway?

I don't think you are watching the Duke/VT game cuz Duke is not a gimmie.....This QB has potential and that is all the cane defense needs to see to make him a superstar!!!

canechic

pb he may be good, he may be not....if he takes the canes to the NC awesome...I am okay with just an ACC champ....I think quit a bit remains to be seen but he was out coached on Thursday that is for sure and that was not the first game.

I think the reason most Cane fans question him is because they all thought with SR talent he would win right away....he really is the second choice....Gruden was all but signed and Donna is the reason he did not sign....

I think if they did not believe Gruden was pretty much sealed they would have not fired RS until this year.

So most people expected much more than what they are getting, they thought RS was the only problem and the cane nation would be fine with a new coach. The athletic culture at Miami is very weak right now and I think the new AD is pretty weak...I said 3 years and now I am more a 4 and 5 year thought to a maybe nothing better than 9 wins for 10 years thought..we will see.

Sarasota 'cane

Again Nexy year to me looks a lot better with freshman playing taking licks this year and the fact we get VT, FSU, UNC all at home. Again in the end WHO THE HECK KNOWS LOL

Posted by: pbcfrcane13 | October 29, 2011 at 02:15 PM

You never know, that's why you play the games! I do know that if we keep our coaching tree intact we can improve over this season. There is a different vibe in Coral Gables since Shannon & Co. were let go. I wouldn't call it a "swagger", but the kid's are starting to buy in to the new system. They are excited and they are finally being coached up.
As I said yesterday, if you can't see improvement with the coaching, offense and special teams then you're not looking hard enough. Add in the Shapiro garbage and these coaches have done as well as any staff in the country as a first year unit. If we can keep Golden through the sanction years then I think we will have turned the corner.

Go 'canes!

canechic

quite^

orange 'n green in the vein

pbc, yes I blamed Shannon for making the wrong promotion but he upgraded with Young in year 2 and got a great jump on the rebuilding job.

Golden's college buddy has the worst feel for calling a defensive game as I have seen in a long time. Simply atrocious strategy. Shannon had two laughably bad QB's to work with, Golden has one of the best to suit up at UM and a backup his cheerleaders can't stop raving about while he's way too unready for prime-time. This was the year to win big having built the team back up and he isn't even in the ballpark for that. For a seasoned coach he's coaching like a Special K hire to this point. Let's not get started on the lack of depth that is being artificially created by roster moves and runoffs that so far have netted him a bust of a TE to party with $neaky's kid who never saw the field and a serviceable, if chubby, DT, in return. His credentials, as they are, are as a builder but this wasn't a rebuilding job hire and now if he's going to do anything it's going to be way down the road, because that's what builders are good for. Maybe he'll get back to the Peach Bowl so we won't score in the 2nd half against an SEC team in about four years? Can't wait.

Q

They need to extend Golden asap

dj moonbat

If we can keep Golden through the sanction years then I think we will have turned the corner.

Go 'canes!

Posted by: Sarasota 'cane | October 29, 2011 at 02:42 PM


I'd say that's pretty unlikely.

canechic

I did not expect much but I never would dream 4 loses at this point...maybe 3 and only because of suspensions.

But like Mike Bianchi said on Friday...what a sad day when FSU has to worry about playing VA, NCSTATE, along with Miami. I don't agree much with Bianchi but I agree it speaks volumes when these powerhouse teams have to worry about the bottom feeders.

orange 'n green in the vein

Yes canechic, Amway Arena, the house legal ponzi scheme money built! Very nice bathrooms, the only miss of the night was not hitting them for the 2nd time while Buckcherry was bucking it up and getting caught three deep in line right after then finished their opening set. Those two banners for the Eastern Conference championships 13 years apart look kind of sad though when I think about the type of teams they've had. What kind of franchise drafts Shaq first overall (and Webber 1st overall the next year!) and then gets him to hang the championship banner in the rafters 10 counties away in state in their rivals arena? Talk about a Magic trick!

canechic

LOL....OGV and that is why I cannot root for the Magic. I have not had a reason to go inside the arena yet.

Buckcherry is all kinds of awful.

dj moonbat

They need to extend Golden asap

Posted by: Q | October 29, 2011 at 02:51 PM


The man already said he thought the U administration owed him a duty to disclose the NCAA investigation, which they did not do. The only reason he's not already gone is that it was too late in the offseason for him to solidify any offers. That guy's not extending crap.

mi@mic@ne

Weve had some terrible scheduling... we do not need to play top 20 teams every week. Look at the out of conference schedule the SEC teams have. Its a joke. We do not need any good teams outside of playing in the ACC. The schedule this yr was ridiculous. The Canes lost because they had a short week to prepare and the guys needed rest after two grueling games. Even in the NC yrs we had the good teams twice a yr. We want to play for the championship but we dont want to create trouble and lose either.

canechic

Seriously and what kind of fool would sign a new contract with all that stuff pending....that deserves a child pleaze!

TonyCane

Orange 'n Green, don't think that Golden is that bad. Not sure on the DC, but I think Al is the real deal and will be a far better coach and program builder than Shannon or Coker.

Coker was a good coach but terrible recruiter. He got outfoxed on National Signing Day by people running the gammut of Bobby Bowden to Syracuse's HC. The result was 2 QBs and 3 WRs recruited over a four year span, forcing Coker to have to convert cornerbacks and punters to wide receivers. This overall talent drain lead to his downfall.

Shannon was a great disciplinarian who served to counter some of the excesses at the end of the Coker era and put together a strong initial recruiting class. But constant turnover at OC and DC made followup recruiting difficult and hurt the development of his players. And his stoic nature seemed to rub off on the players. The scene on Thursday night, with the players jumping up and down at the beginning of the 4th quarter, never happened during Randy's tenure.

Golden, like the Cylons of BSG, appears to have a plan of which we are in the early stages of executing. Ask yourselves this...if Shannon was still in charge, if Whipple was still here what would our record be now?

TonyCane

Orange-and-green, I wish Buckethead had not left the band. I recall reading once that despite building a chicken coop in the studio for him, despite taking him on a trip to Disneyland(!), Buckethead was just too eccentric to work with. He is a great guitar player though with a funny gimmick.

orange 'n green in the vein

canechic, Axl having the red Hulk Hogan mustache was worth the price of admission for me, IMO he's carrying the Rock and Roll torch (pretty sure he stole it from the Stones during Steel Wheels, but they might have relinquished it on their own volition back then) for this generation, anything to keep the Bieber and the Gaghag from completely destroying the American spirit.

dj, his wife loves Miami. His parents have been married for decades. Maybe she gets the veto on the offers? Another coaching change after such an ill advised on mid-rebuild might just finally set this program off the rails for good.

Or, we could land Mike Leach a year too late . . . !

SOUP

HOW ABOUT THAT JON JAY?

TonyCane

DJMoonbat, one question I've never heard answered is when Al Golden did find out about the investigation. I seriously, seriously doubt that the first time that he heard of it was August. At best, he should have discovered it a few weeks after signing. Heck, most of us knew about Shapiro's story before Golden's signing. It was written about in the Sun Sentinel a year ago.

canechic

That is true OGV this generation of music stinks not all but the pop crap is crap! I am not a fan of new hip hop, everything is a remix..I only listen to pandora or my own music....very rarely listen to music on the radio.

dj moonbat

dj, his wife loves Miami. His parents have been married for decades. Maybe she gets the veto on the offers? Another coaching change after such an ill advised on mid-rebuild might just finally set this program off the rails for good.

Or, we could land Mike Leach a year too late . . . !

Posted by: orange 'n green in the vein | October 29, 2011 at 03:05 PM


I felt pretty confident predicting that Butch would bring Miami back to the top. This time, though, I'm pretty sure Miami's out of the hunt for any national championships indefinitely. There's just not much left to build on.

canechic

Yay Jon Jay! (did not watch but yay)

canechic

And the ducks have already scored.

8 to 0 ducks!!

pbcfrcane13

I mean people keep saying we should have won this year with all senior talent? Maybe they are not that good....this is another coach and same results when do we blame the playes? Thats all im wondering?


BTW Duke is holding this VT O in check....to me that shows two things one ho bad our D is and how bad the D play calling is

Also im with you not thrilled with the way Coach D has called games but I get hes workng with secondary Im pretty sure he doesnt trust at all also he is a 3-4 guy....so we wont know what he will do with UM "talent" till year 3 and they play a 3-4

CGNC

Seriously and what kind of fool would sign a new contract with all that stuff pending....that deserves a child pleaze!

Posted by: canechic | October 29, 2011 at 03:01 PM

Or a "come on Man!"

canechic

LOL CGNC!!!

CGNC

CC sent you an email and let me apologize up front if I forgot to resize some of the pics - they were taken with Heather's camera and she doesn't reduce the size on the camera - I have to do it on the computer

Canechic

Ok I will check now!

orange 'n green in the vein

Posted by: mi@mic@ne | October 29, 2011 at 02:59 PM

Wow, that's nothing but excuses. Like, there's not even an explanation, just excuses. Change your avatar before doing that kind of thing again mi@!

TC, Buckethead. LOL. He wears a bucket. LMAO! It's a little on the nose but still pretty funny. As for Golden, I've said all along, guy has a lot to learn as a head coach IMO and that's what we're seeing this year, a continuation of what was troubling in the MAC, more experienced coaches take it to him schematic and strategically, D'No calls passive games that struggle to stop the same play over and over again, he runs his star RB into the ground and then gets upset by teams they should beat once he's nicked up. The list can go on. I don't spend a lot of time listening to interviews for a lot of reasons, not really interested or entertained by them being major ones, but mostly because all that talk is irrelevant, it's the end result on the scoreboard that counts. Right now, UM is ending up on the wrong side of that equation way too often to inferior teams and that starts at the top.

mi@mic@ne

Excuses?.. your comparing the team that won in the big easy with what Golden has to face in the acc? The joke is you bro.. lol.

Canechic

Sorry guys the ACC is a very weak conference....

Canechic

CGNC just awesome pictures!!!!! :)

mi@mic@ne

Comparing pre 2000 college ball with the current complicated offenses and the kind of speed difference is like comparing the 1967 packers with any of the current NFL teams. The game is completely different. All the conference teams now have speed and they actually pass the ball very well unlike back in the day.

Canechic

True college football is different but ACC is still very weak!

Sarasota 'cane

Welcome to "Duckspace" with you head quack 86Duck!

Go Ducks!!

pbcfrcane13

OGV im with you he has made mistakes but to say everything is an excuse is not fair. The guy gets a lo f his best plaers taken away for a game two of his best D players for more then 4 games..... I mean you say what his record is but he took over a temple team that was HORRIBLE!!! What was his record when he got his own players who were playing and or were able to get his system full istalled. I never count what a coach does on the first year and at school like temple or some time programs that are horrible the coach needs more then one year to turn it around

mi@mic@ne

The days of domination are over. Any of the acc matchups could go either way on any given game day. just look at lowly duke giving VT fits.

pbcfrcane13

The ACC is and needs UM and FSU to become UM FSU sooner then later and or keep clemson rolling! The acc looks really bad lol

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