Epic Fail: FSU At The CWS

Twenty one. 

That is exactly how many attempts Florida State University has had at trying to win a College World Series.  And what do the Seminoles have to show for their efforts aside from what must be by now a huge collection of frequent flyer miles?  Nothing, zero, nada, zilch.

Twenty one.

FSU has had not ten, or twenty, but 21 attempts since thier first appearence at the CWS in 1957 under the notable coach Dick Howser at trying to win a College World Series without a single National Championship to their credit. 

In fact, FSU leads the Nation by a sizeable margin in number of attempts without a win at the CWS. The next team on the list of Epic Fails at the CWS is Clemson at 12 attempts without a win. And I would be remiss if I did not remind you that the Florida Gators are also on the list of Epic Failures with 8 CWS appearences without a win.  Go Gators!

But let's not get distratced and focus our attention on FSU and 21 attempts with no CWS titles.  Have you ever tried to do something 21 times in a row?  Do you know how difficult that is?

How many NBA players make 21 consecutive shots or even free throws?

How many MLB players collect a hit in 21 consecutive games?

How many NFL QBs complete 21 passes in a row?

How many NCAA kickers make 21 consecutive field goals without even one sailing wide right?

Doing anything 21 times in a row is a very difficult thing to do.  Yet FSU and their celebrated, long-time head coach Mike Martin have made it look effortless in losing 21 consective trips to the CWS.

Speaking of Martin, he has personally accounted for 15 of the 21 epic fails at the CWS in Omaha, Nebraska. Martin began coaching at FSU in 1980 and over the last 32 years managed to get his team into the CWS on 15 occasions and even got as close as runner-up three times. 

The Seminoles came in second place three times by losing the championship game to USC in 1970, to Arizona in 1986 and to some small, private school in Coral Gables known as the University of Miami in 1999.  However, nobody remembers who came in second and the fact is that second place is just the first team that loses.

The 2012 ACC Coach of the Year has a winning record, an excellent program, recruited a boatload of great players over the years and even a beautiful stadium named after him and yet he still cannot seem to find a way to win a National Championship in spite of of all of his other accomplishsments.

In fact, Only one team in college baseball, the University of Miami, has been to more consecutive NCAA Tournaments than Florida State, who have, as of the 2012 season, made 33 straight postseason appearances. 

We should also point out that Miami, a college baseball dynasty since the mid-70's has won four CWS titles to their credit, winning National Championships in 1982, 1985 under Ron Fraser and again in 1999 and 2001 under current head coach Jim Morris.

Twenty one.

Apparently, the College World Series is to Mike Martin as "Wide Right" is to Bobby Bowden. To use a baseball analogy FSU has had 21 "at bats" in trying to win a College World Series. The Seminoles have struck out either looking or swinging all 21 times.

Twenty one.

That record number, by anyone's assessment, is the definition of an Epic Fail. 

Comments

[Old Skool]

Well, Well Well

[Willie Will in Nashville]

Damn you old skool!! Lol

[SinisterCane]

Epic Fail? How you seen our baseball team Lately?

[4-Real]

Not just baseball Sinister, the entire athletic program lol

[2002nemo]

Wouldn't you trade FSU's ____________ team for ours? (Pick your sport)

[Ohio_Cane]

Nemo, I wouldn't trade any of UM's sports for FSWho's herpes, honestly.

[raizecane]

I enjoyed the story but I would much rather get to the CWS and lose than not make it at all.... but thats just me.

[Ohio_Cane]

Nemo, I wouldn't trade any of UM's sports for FSWho's herpes, honestly.

Posted by: Ohio_Cane | June 27, 2012 at 08:09 AM
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Reverse that. I'm tired lol

I wouldn't trade herpes for any of FSWho's teams.

[The What]

So college football finally has a playoff. I know its a step in the right direction but here's my question. Is it really that hard to just make an 8 or 16 team playoff or simply an all conference champs playoff? The controversy about teams that deserve to be in the 4 team playoff will be no different than the BCS. Oh how I hate the powers that be in college football.

[SlingBlade]

So they have 21 failures and we have 29....guess we got them beat there too.

[LB]

"Is it really that hard to just make an 8 or 16 team playoff or simply an all conference champs playoff? The controversy about teams that deserve to be in the 4 team playoff will be no different than the BCS. Oh how I hate the powers that be in college football. "

It would be simple, wouldn't it? There's just too much money and too many egos involved... much like UM's old recruiting classes, no? For drama's sake, I think 16 is keen.

Yet honestly, the controversy wouldn't stop at 16, either. It would be much, much less and highly regionalized... but it still would remain. At least with 4 you are guaranteed at least 4 of the best teams in the nation. Although I think 16 teams would be AWESOME... you'd also end up getting a bunch of bad games and less interesting bowl matchups. Furthermore, the regular season games would mean less.

16 Teams...
Conference Champions: ACC, Big East, Big Ten, Pac Ten, SEC all guaranteed a shot.

You may get something like LSU vs. Syracuse and USC vs. Hawaii in the first round. Not interested.

A 12-0 and #1 ranked USC could essentially take the conference championship off and rest a Matt Barkley vs. a #3 Oregon because they're guaranteed a spot in the playoffs. Seeding aside, would Kiffin really risk Barkley's health for the playoffs against a tempered opponent in a scenario in which postseason birth is already achieved? It also sucks for fans, too. USC fans would rather see Matt Barkley than Hinkie Slider III.

I'm not trying to play contrarian, because a #15 UM team could do some damage and prove their mettle against the current power. If I were to expand it, I'd take 8... but no more. Under 8, an undefeated and worthy non-automatic qualifier would still get in (Boise State). But it would also keep the 3 loss Big East Champion out... and I'm a fan of that.

This is great fun to talk about. I've been dreaming of this for quite some time. A 4 team playoff sounds great, and I've argued for it since the inception of the BCS (not CBS, because that's the SEC station). And if I'm interpreting the system correctly and there's a selection committee for the Final Four... there is NO WAY an undefeated UM doesn't get due to its historical value & continued popularity in television ratings. Even while Kirby Freeman and Randy Shannon ran the show, Miami still was and remains a ratings bonanza.

As long the Tie switches to decaf during the playoffs... we're good. :)

[The What]

Great comment LB. I agree 8 teams would be ideal. I think an undefeated or even one loss Miami, FSU, Virginia tech get in. As long as that one loss is early in the season. Once Miami starts winning again their popularity will soar even higher making them almost a lock to make the final four if they are on the door step.

[The What]

FSU must be the most under achieving in terms of sports. Only 2 NCs (one was practically handed to them in 2000), no baseball or basketball championships. What the hell goes on up there? It's not like they have admission problems and have to pass up on a kid with grade issues. I don't get it.

I am also interested to see how public universities like FSU and others around the country cope with the financial tightening of state funds due to the poor economy. I know it's a small percentage but it would be interesting to see how they cope and if private universities like Miami would have an advantage as they are constantly looking for some type of funding they don't get from the state. This is not just sports related but overall university impact.

[herbieibis]

I'll just settle for us getting back to the World Series.
Speaking of the new format, I hope they wait until after the conference championships before they go to seeding. What stinks is, is the conferences that don't have a play-off. Take care of the regular season and you should be sitting pretty.
I would rather them use a 6 team format and give the top 2 teams a bye. You would at least insure you don't miss anyone. 8 is too many.

[Swami for CEO]

FROM THE SUN-SENTINEL:

Geography too, plays a part, and even so, the Hurricanes are well in contention with 15 percent of the available top 150. This puts Miami in the company of the national elite schools.

ESPN Top300 #, Name, Position, School/State — Interest/Note

4 Vernon Hargreaves III DB Tampa-Wharton — Offered, light interest

6 Mackensie Alexander CB Immokalee — Leader, attended spring game

13 Montravius Alexander DT Georgia — Offered, light interest

18 Matthew Thomas OLB Booker T Washington — Attended junior day

24 DeMarcus Walker DE Sandalwood (Jacksonville) — Offered, attended junior day

34 Stacey Coley WR Northeast (FTL) — Offered, visited, spring game, top five

36 Ryan Green RB Tampa — Offered, attended junior day

45 Jordan Cunningham WR University School (Davie) — Leader

69 Artie Burns CB Miami Northwestern — Leader

84 Travis Johnson TE Tampa – Jesuit — Offered, attended junior day

96 Tyrone Crowder OL North Carolina — Offered, light interest

105 Ebenezer Ogundeko DE Brooklyn, NY — Offered, personally visited

147 Alquadin Muhammad DE New Jersey — Offered, light interest

154 Jermaine Grace OLB Miramar — Offered, attended junior day

168 Demarcus Robinson WR Georgia — Offered, personally visited

180 Richard Benjamin WR Tampa Tech — Offered, attended junior day

193 Paul James DE Miami Norland — Offered, attended junior day

210 Richy Klepel DT Tampa – Plant — Just offered

240 Jordan Sherit DE Tampa – Hillsborough — Offered, attended junior day

247 AJ Turman RB Orlando – Boone — Offered, attended junior day

280 Will Likely DB Glades Central — Offered, attended camp, unofficially visited

[Swami for CEO]

For all of U FSU lovers and apologists:

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_college_fsu/

[4-Real]

It's not about loving or defending fsu CEO, its about Canes fans being in denial and having the nerve 2 constantly put down other programs like we won sumthin over the pass decade :(

[LB]

"Great comment LB. I agree 8 teams would be ideal. I think an undefeated or even one loss Miami, FSU, Virginia tech get in. As long as that one loss is early in the season."

If you're talking 8 teams, I absolutely agree a 1 loss UM gets in under your scenario. Absolutely.

"It's not about loving or defending fsu CEO, its about Canes fans being in denial and having the nerve 2 constantly put down other programs like we won sumthin over the pass decade :("

There is no defense for Florida State. They are the source of evil in the entire universe. Ask me why.

[herbieibis]

Well, aside from those 2 bakers delights to begin the season, at least their schedule is tougher than last years and finally they play Va. Tech, at their place.

Hargreaves, I can't see him coming.
Mack Alexander is a package deal with his bro and for some reason, I've heard we're not taking but one CB? Grace will end up here, Thomas, that's a big?, Cunningham will be the at the "U" and Likely also. Johnson we've already got. Burns will end up at the U. The rest No clue or comment but Golden better be for getting some big dogs on the De-Line

[Ohio_Cane]

Rivals did an interview with HS recruits and had them answer some recruiting-based questions. They came up with some interesting answers:

3. Who means more when you're making your college decision - a school's head coach or your potential position coach?

Position coach: 79 percent
Head coach: 21 percent
The buzz: This one was a landslide. Almost four-fifths of the respondents said the assistant who coaches their particular position meant more to them than a school's head coach. And they pretty much all gave the same reason.

"He's the one I'm going to be spending the most time with, compared to the head coach," one player said.

They pointed out that their position coach potentially could have a greater impact on their careers both on and off the field.

"That's who you're going to be with the most, that's who you're going to talk to, who's going to be your leader and your father [figure]," one player said.

Of course, the very best position coaches often don't stay position coaches for long. They move up the coaching ladder and take higher-paying jobs elsewhere. That's why some players said they focused more on a school's head coach.

Yes, it's certainly possible those players could experience a head coaching change at some point in their careers. But it's much more likely their position coach will depart.

"With a head coach, there's more of a chance of him staying around than a position coach," one player said. "For them, any time they could up and go someplace and leave."
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4. What's the No. 1 factor you consider when selecting a college?
Academics: 30 votes
Overall fit: 23
Relationship with coaches: 17
The buzz: The nation's top players are at least saying all the right things about making sure they benefit both academically and athletically from their college experience. Keep in mind this wasn't a multiple-choice survey. We asked the questions without offering any suggestions for them to choose. So nearly half our respondents brought up academics on their own.

"Football's a key that will open doors for you, but it's not going to last forever," one player said. "You have to have a backup plan."

Other players said they'd pick a school where they felt most at home. They wanted a place where they could still feel happy even if they weren't playing football. The makeup of a coaching staff also was mentioned often.

"I want to make sure those coaches are coaches who want to win and will push you to your hardest, but are good people as well," one player said. "Off the field, I want them to be coaches who keep track of you and make sure you're staying on your grades. I'm not saying I need a babysitter, but I want coaches who show that kind of care and interest in their players."

Other considerations that received at least four votes each included the possibility of early playing time and a school's proximity to home. Only one player mentioned a school's facilities as a chief reason for picking a particular team.
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5. What's the most overrated factor that some recruits consider when they're picking a college?

Winning tradition: 19 votes
Jerseys/uniforms/school colors: 9
Facilities: 7
The buzz: Surprised? So were we.

These results don't mean that winning is unimportant to the players who participated in this poll. They just have so much confidence in their own abilities that they believe they can win anywhere, not just at a school that has plenty of championship experience.

"There's only one school that can win a championship," one player said. "I don't look at it as what team's won championships. Any year, any team can win a championship."

History apparently doesn't matter all that much to many of these prospects.

"You can go off the past, but you're not the past," one player said. "You're the future."

These guys also have short memories.

When one player talked about people "living in the past" about particular schools, he didn't refer to Notre Dame, Florida State or any other renowned programs that haven't contended for a national title in more than a decade. He referred to teams that had won titles much more recently.

"People might live in the past about a school like USC because they think about the [2004] season, or LSU and Florida from [2007] or [2008],'' he said.

A couple of players specifically mentioned Oregon when they talked about prospects who might say they pick a school based primarily on its uniforms. This survey also might raise some questions about whether all those recent multi-million-dollar facility upgrades really have that much of an impact on a team's recruiting.

Plenty of other topics also came up in this category. Women, playing time and a school's name recognition received four votes each.

"Everyone says, 'The girls are here, the girls are there,' '' one player said. "You're going to find girls anywhere. That's not something you should base your college education on."

Credit one prospect for a brutally honest response that raised the question many readers also might be asking. If a school's academic strength really means so much to players, why don't the BCS rankings bear more resemblance to the U.S. News rankings?

That prospect wasn't dismissing the importance of academics. He just thought some prospects were disingenuous when they mentioned academics as their main reason for picking a school.

"When people say academics [is their main consideration], if you really cared about academics that much, you'd go to Vanderbilt or Harvard or something," he said.
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6. Should the NCAA allow football players to receive a stipend?

Yes: 67 percent
No: 33 percent
The buzz: Two-thirds of the prospects believed players should receive some type of monthly allowance to go along with the free room, board and tuition.

"They're making money off us playing football and we get nothing," one player said. "It's like we're McDonald's and we're making minimum wage. They're making millions of dollars, and we're just getting $7.25 [an hour], which is the scholarship."

One prospect noted that the time demands of balancing football and classwork prevent many players from having a part-time job while they're in school.

"Football's like a job," one player said. "Granted, they are paying for your tuition, but at the same time, you're putting in a lot more hard work than anyone could ever imagine. Plus, during the summer, it's really hard for some football players to get by. ? They can't get a job because they're doing a lot of football workouts, but at the same time they can't get paid."

Other proponents of a stipend said that if players started getting paid legally, it would reduce the number of NCAA violations.

This was one of the more polarizing questions on the survey. While the vast majority of prospects favored a stipend, some were categorically against it.

"We're not in the big leagues yet," one player said. "If you start having that, you really don't have anything to fight for to try to make it to the big leagues."
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11. Would you like the NCAA to add an early signing date?

No: 77 percent
Yes: 23 percent
The buzz: Although the American Football Coaches Association and the ACC issued proposals for an early signing date back in 2009, the idea hasn't gained much momentum.

Most of the prospects in Atlanta last weekend said they like things just the way they are.

"It gives kids times to think [about picking a college] after football season," one prospect said. "That's a big factor."

One recruit mentioned that an early signing date might prove beneficial at one particular position, but he still preferred the status quo.

"For quarterbacks, the process is sped up so much that [an early signing period] might be a good idea," he said, "but at the end of the day, I feel like letting kids take all their visits and do all that stuff and then signing in February with one strict signing day is probably the way to go."

Proponents for the idea noted that it could prove particularly helpful because of the growing trend toward early commitments - and switches.

"A lot of people are really committing early," one player said. "[An early signing period] would help colleges know they're already going to that school."
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12. Who's the main person you seek for advice on choosing a college?

Father: 22 votes
High school head coach: 18
Both parents collectively: 13
Family member aside from parents: 10
Mother: 8
Mentor or coach other than the high school head coach: 8
The buzz: A number of recruits couldn't limit themselves to just one choice in this category, but nearly every respondent mentioned either a family member or a coach. The few exceptions generally mentioned God or a clergyman.

The majority of recruits mentioned at least one family member. In a bit of a surprise, the dads received almost three times as many votes as the mothers, at least in the instances when a player specifically cited only one parent.

"He's always been there for me and has gotten me to where I am now," one recruit said of his father.

The recruits who didn't mention parents generally talked about their coaches instead.

"He's been with me through every step of this," one prospect said. "Whenever I had questions or felt uneasy, I went straight to him."
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Can see all of them here: http://footballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1379643

[CoCane]

A 16 team playoff with all conference winners recieving an automatic bid gives everyone a chance to win a title. You could use the BCS ratings to determine the 5 at large teams or a selection committee. Then only use conference title games for a tie breaker if necessary. With the usual 1-3 non BCS schools that are conference champs in the top 10-15, the BCS conference winners & the top 5 BCS teams that didn't win thier conference, You'll guaranteed to have the top 10 teams deserving to play for a title. I know the top team will kill the worst mid-major conference champ but at least they had thier shot.

You could also make 4 4 team brackets modeled after the NCAA basketball tourney.

I think 16 teams is the way to go. Jmo

[LB]

"I think 16 teams is the way to go."

As much I think 8 is best, 16 would be the most fun.

If someone like Eastern Michigan won the MAC and somehow beat a Florida State, imagine those jokes. Then we could compare and overanalyze recruiting rankings...

[SinisterCane]

It's not about loving or defending fsu CEO, its about Canes fans being in denial and having the nerve 2 constantly put down other programs like we won sumthin over the pass decade :(

Posted by: 4-Real | June 27, 2012 at 10:53 AM

How many bloggers have call for Morris's head

[LB]

"It's not about loving or defending fsu CEO, its about Canes fans being in denial and having the nerve 2 constantly put down other programs like we won sumthin over the pass decade :(

Posted by: 4-Real | June 27, 2012 at 10:53 AM

How many bloggers have call for Morris's head"

To be fair, the last time FSU won a title was 1999...

...two years before UM's nasty little spanking of Nebraska.

[Swami for CEO]

Hargreaves, I can't see him coming.

Posted by: herbieibis | June 27, 2012 at 1:00 AM

Your vision is not very good.

[Swami for CEO]

How many bloggers have call for Morris's head"

Posted by: LB | June 27, 2012 at 11:30 AM

FSU did not go to the CWS for seven years from 2001-2007. Where were the fans calling for Martin's head like UM fans were calling for Morris' head? Miami has not been in four years and they want someone fired.

[Swami for CEO]

It's not about loving or defending fsu CEO, its about Canes fans being in denial and having the nerve 2 constantly put down other programs like we won sumthin over the pass decade :(

Posted by: 4-Real | June 27, 2012 at 10:53 AM

And this is why Miami has been losing according to Da Skreetz and Al Golden. The fans and players are SOFT, weak and beaten down from losing.

Da Skreetz has told me several times that the reason Miami is losing is because the players don't have ANY hate in them.

They don't hate losing to other teams, they don't hate being beaten by the player across from them, they don't hate their opponent, or their mascot, or their stadium, or their coach or their fans, or their band and cheerleaders or ANYTHING.

Da Skreetz told me directly that it was HATE fueled Miami rise to prominence, dominance and their winning ways. He has said that until they get that HATE back the team will never win again.

Al Golden recently said something like this: "We need to stop apologizing for being Miami. We need to stop feeling sorry for ourselves."

Lebron James just said: "It's about damn time!" And he meant it and he is right.

It's about damn time for Miami's players and fans to man up, strap up and fill up a big 'ol bucket of hate and pour it on another team like the sorry azz Seminoles of FSU.

I HATE FSU!

THAT'S RIGHT: I SAID IT!

[LB]

I'm not a baseball fan at all. I reposted a comment above. I'm just saying that FSU has a longer drought of titlelessness (new word maybe) than UM. And that's very cool.

As for high level recruits/stargazing nonsense, Golden's got an excellent track record for 5 stars for his short tenure here. 2 in 2011 (Grimble/Chickillo) and two 2 in 2012 (Duke/Howard). If Golden wants someone and they're clean...

...even the Nick Sabans of the world have trouble stopping them from becoming a Hurricane.

"There IT is right there!"- CEO

[The What]

4-Real - I don't see Miami fans mocking FSU as a problem. Their drought for championships in major college sports is longer than ours. So to mock their CWS failures, or football or basketball failures is fair game. Whether you come in 2nd or 5th at the end of the day you still lost. It was great being the buffalo bills in their first super bowl by the fourth super bowl loss it was an embarrassment. That's what FSUs baseball team is.
If we were mocking Alabama or Kentucky (basketball) Or Arizona I would agree with you. But this is FSU and they have done nothing in 10 years so they suck and always will even if they ever manage to fill their cob webbed trophy case.

[Ohio_Cane]

Vernon Hargreaves - "Got love for the Canes !!!"

[Ohio_Cane]

CB Rashad Robinson - "Just got another offer #UM"

[CoCane]

My problem with college football is whats the point of the non BCS schools being considered on the same level of BCS conferences if they have 0 chance at a title? Wtf are they playing for???

[Ohio_Cane]

CB Rashad Robinson - "Just got another offer #UM"

Posted by: Ohio_Cane | June 27, 2012 at 12:20 PM
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Rashard**

Blanche Ely HS

[j.w.]

And this is why Miami has been losing according to Da Skreetz and Al Golden. The fans and players are SOFT, weak and beaten down from losing.

Da Skreetz has told me several times that the reason Miami is losing is because the players don't have ANY hate in them.

They don't hate losing to other teams, they don't hate being beaten by the player across from them, they don't hate their opponent, or their mascot, or their stadium, or their coach or their fans, or their band and cheerleaders or ANYTHING.

Da Skreetz told me directly that it was HATE fueled Miami rise to prominence, dominance and their winning ways. He has said that until they get that HATE back the team will never win again.

Al Golden recently said something like this: "We need to stop apologizing for being Miami. We need to stop feeling sorry for ourselves."

Lebron James just said: "It's about damn time!" And he meant it and he is right.

It's about damn time for Miami's players and fans to man up, strap up and fill up a big 'ol bucket of hate and pour it on another team like the sorry azz Seminoles of FSU.

I HATE FSU!

THAT'S RIGHT: I SAID IT!

Posted by: Swami for CEO | June 27, 2012 at 11:46 AM

Strong post, CEO

[herbieibis]

We've played lack-luster baseball for 4 years, so something has to change, if it's not Morris, then what? We haven't been hitting, pitching or fielding consistently. Maybe our player evaluations need to change. With the talent pool & weather in Florida, 40 wins should be attainable every year.
CEO, I'll agree on Hargreaves if we prove ourselves on the field, otherwise I can't see him coming here. I'll be glad to eat crow if he does, though!

[Ohio_Cane]

Papa Cane - Recruiting Update: Miami has just offered 2013 TE Kyle Chung, 6'4" and 255 lbs from Ponte Vedra

[Swami for CEO]

CEO, I'll agree on Hargreaves if we prove ourselves on the field, otherwise I can't see him coming here. I'll be glad to eat crow if he does, though!

Posted by: herbieibis | June 27, 2012 at 12:37 PM

Do U prefer baked, grilled or sauteed?

STAY HUNGRY MY FRIEND.

[Ohio_Cane]

Unless the NCAA deals the sanctions by February of next year (unlikely) and they're really bad (also unlikely), Hargreaves should be a Cane.

[UMike]

CEO, I'll agree on Hargreaves if we prove ourselves on the field, otherwise I can't see him coming here. I'll be glad to eat crow if he does, though!

Posted by: herbieibis | June 27, 2012 at 12:37 PM

Hargreaves coming here or not has nothing to do with what Miami does on the field..imo

[fran]

We have time maybe we can turn the little one in the last picture into a Hurricane softball player.
Never too early to offer LOL
Fran

[UMike]

Our business listing will be launched today..please pray for me (if praying is your thing) they we have a quick sale..would mean so much to my family!...I am going back into the workplace for now, but I will again be a business owner! lol

[LB]

"Do U prefer baked, grilled or sauteed?"

Baked!

(Insert cheap joke below)

[The What]

Best of luck UMike. Nothing better than running your own business. May you find great success and fulfillment from your endeavor.

[UMike]

The What..I appreciate it..and it has been great for the last few years,,and we will get back to it..just got to weather this storm.

[RCCF]

Before Skreetz Before Golden RCCF said Poor Fans Equal Poor Performance.....years ago..

RCCF12%canesdontpredictloses

[LB]

"Our business listing will be launched today..please pray for me (if praying is your thing) they we have a quick sale..would mean so much to my family!...I am going back into the workplace for now, but I will again be a business owner! lol"

I'll +1 that.

[Swami for CEO]

RCCF12%canesdontpredictloses

Posted by: RCCF | June 27, 2012 at 02:31 PM

NICE!

[Montreal-Cane]

8 teams would be ideal

[Montreal-Cane]

Thompson Enrolls, Will Miss 2012...Why?

From inside the U.

[Ohio_Cane]

Thompson Enrolls, Will Miss 2012...Why?

Posted by: Montreal-Cane | June 27, 2012 at 03:49 PM
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He's hurt. I dunno exact injury.