Location, location, Location: Part Deux

Sorry to tease you and then leave you hanging from Saturday and Part 1 of our "Location,Location, Location" feature but it had to be done. There was simply too much research and too much information for just one feature. 

So lets jump right back into it shall we?  Now, where did we leave off?  Oh yeah, the #2 ranked USC Trojans and their six five-star verbal commitments for 2013.  Where did all that talent come from anyway?  Lets take a deeper look at Lane Kiffin and his 2013 class...

In fact 10 of the Trojans 16 verbal commitments are from CA and three of their five star recruits are from The Golden State.  One more five star player is from the West Coast (Washington) that the Trojans stole from the Ducks, Beavers and Huskies.  The other two are from IL and MD.

Miami realistically did not have a legitimate shot at any of those USC verbal commits except maybe the Maryland recruit but if the Terps, Hokies or Cavaliers could not land him in their own back yards then why would Miami be expected to?  Oh and by the way, USC does not have a single recruit from Florida.

Now lets look at the two texas schools in the top 10: The Aggies and the Longhorns.  For those of you who follow recruiting you know that CA, TX and FL have the highest number of highly ranked recruits each year.  So then it should come as no surprise that the Texas teams are loading up on Lone Star State talent.

Texas A&M is ranked #3 by Scout with a total of 22 players already verbally committed to the Aggies. Now guess how many of those are from Texas?  No, really go ahead and guess, I'll wait.  OK, times up!

TAMU has a whopping 22 of their 25 current commits that hail from the great State of Texas.  The other three?  Right from the heart of SEC and LSU country in Louisiana.  TAMU also has no players from Florida.

Texas comes in at #8 on the Scout top 10 list and currently has  14 total recruits verbally committed to the Longhorns for 2013.  An amazing 13 of their 14 recruits are from Texas and the other one is a three-star player from CA.  Texas therefore also has zero players from the State of Florida.

Then we have the #6 ranked LSU with head coach Les Miles leading the way.  The Tigers also are in a fertile recruiting area and as a result have 12 of their 20 verbal commits from Louisiana.  LSU has just one player from Florida, three-star Kennard Swanson from the heart of Gator Country in Lakeland.

Next lets take a peak at SEC powerhouses #9 Auburn and #10 Alabama.  Both teams are currently listed with 17 verbal commits respectively for 2013.

Auburn has 7 players from Alabama and 5 from the State of Georgia that they must have stolen from Bulldogs head coach Mark Richt with the other 5 scattered from around the Country.  Auburn has just one player from Florida, three-star player Lemond Johnson from Cooper City in Broward County.

Alabama under Nick Saban, which also has more of a National recruiting footprint much like Notre Dame, has 5 players from their home State and a scattering of players from all over the Country.  The Crimson Tide has just one player from Florida, Darius Page a three-star player from Pensacola, which as many of you may know is located in Flori-Bama.

So as you can now see, recruiting really comes down to location, location, location.  The simple trick is to keep the best players in your designated geographic recruiting area home.  Last year Miami's Al Golden did just that in an effort to stop the poaching of South Florida talent (primarily by FSU and UF) and to rebuild the famous UM recruiting wall from I-4 South.

If Golden is able to win more games than expected in 2012 and is able to maintain the integrity of that wall there is no reason to doubt that Miami will soon return to it's rightful place among the Nation's elite college football teams over the next few years.

Comments

[Old Skool]

Okay

[Old Skool]

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/23/us/pennsylvania-penn-state-ncaa/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Penn State University will be hit with fines in excess of $30 million as part of "significant, unprecedented penalties" expected to be announced Monday by the National Collegiate Athletic Association, a source familiar with the case told CNN on Sunday.

While the school's football program will not face the so-called "death penalty" that would have prevented the team from playing in the fall, the school might have preferred a one-year suspension because of the severity of the scholarship losses, postseason sanctions and other penalties, the source said.

[longtimecanefan]

3 spot!!

[Ohio_Cane]

PSU just got hammered, but no death penalty.

[TJL]

4 year bowl ban- 60MM fine-loss of schollys-guys can transfer now and be eligible--LETS GO GET SOME OF THEM!!

[Old Skool]

WHAM

"The NCAA imposed a $60 million sanction on the university, which is equivalent to the average gross annual revenue of the football program. These funds must be paid into an endowment for external programs preventing child sexual abuse or assisting victims and may not be used to fund such programs at the university. The sanctions also include a four-year football postseason ban and a vacation of all wins from 1998 through 2011. The career record of former head football coach Joe Paterno will reflect these vacated records. Penn State must also reduce 10 initial and 20 total scholarships each year for a four-year period. In addition, the NCAA reserves the right to impose additional sanctions on involved individuals at the conclusion of any criminal proceedings."

[Ohio_Cane]

Loss of 10 scholarships per year for 4 years. Wow.

[Ohio_Cane]

PSU has to vacate all wins from 1998-2011. I think JoePa just lost his record of wins in a career.

[Old Skool]

I believe Bobby Bowden is now the football coach with the most Division 1 wins again

[dg]

My goodness....this is a death penalty

[CaneRock]

Like Emmert said, these punishments don't erase what happened. At the end of the day, NOBODY WON!

But one of the things that I take issue with, is the suggestion that the NCAA had mechanisms to deal with a tragedy of this magnitude ALL ALONG. How can you suggest that, and say this is "unprecedented" at the same time...they can't have it both ways.

[Pbcfrcane13]

Well seeing this I see 2-3 year bowl ban for UM loss of 5 scholarships for 3 years fine of all bowl money from 2002-2010 and probhation for 3 years....Just a wild guess.

[TJL]

They say if anyone wants to leave they will be eligible right away. They also say those players transferring in will NOT count against your scholly limit!

[Q]

Congrats to Bobby Bowden. I know..i know but hey its only right. what does this mean for Miami and their upcoming sanctions

[Pbcfrcane13]

Btw if I was PSU I would have rather taken the one year death hit than all this

[Old Skool]

Likely statement from the Joe Paterno family to be released later today

"This is a vast overreach by the NCAA. Vacating the wins of Joe Paterno does not serve the victims of Jerry Sandusky's horrible crimes or help heal the Penn State Community.

Accepting the Freeh report as the definitive conclusion on the Sandusky scandal is wrong.
Joe Paterno has never had a hearing; his legal counsel has never been able to interview key witnesses and there has never been an opportunity to review critical evidence which has not been made public. The selective evidence and opinion of Mr Freeh has treated as the equivalent of a fair trial."

[86Cane]

Penn State goes down hard. Still nobody wins here.

[orange 'n green in the vein]

So Pedo State didn't beat UM in '99 now when I was a sophomore? Great!

Lost amongst this is if there hadn't been a coverup, NCAA does nothing here. Which is why UM isn't getting more than another bowl ban and a handful of scholarships reduced thanks to their compliance with the investigation.

[86Cane]

OGV...agree complete.

[Felipe]

One penn state kid just decommitted. That fast.

[CaneRock]

Let's see, 40 lost schollies, plus attrition, gives you what...

[Felipe]

80 scholarships, 109-112 wins, 4 years of bowl games, $60million.

But some Felon said Miami players got special benefits & some guy named Sean Allen said "what's up" to a Miami recruit and called it recruiting, ergo Charles Robinson grinds a fish story of an axe all over Miami for 2+years.

Get a life Robinson.

[TJL]

Let's see, 40 lost schollies, plus attrition, gives you what...

Posted by: CaneRock | July 23, 2012 at 09:59 AM

Gives U FAU

[Felipe]

Worth noting that it isn't 40 schollies but "10 initial plus 20 per year for 4 years" = 80 or 90. USC was what 10 per year? Can overcome that, not 20.

[TonyCane]

What I fear is that the NCAA, unable to technically declare a violation on Penn State, decides to go Roger Godell on Miami and really crack down. A sanction akin to:

- 5 year bowl ban (less 1 year for self-imposed)
- 10 scholarships deducted per year, for 5 years.
- All victories between 2002 and 2010 forfeight
- Miami is obliged to return all money from bowls during this period.
- Probation for 10 years

Posted by: TonyCane | July 21, 2012 at 03:04 PM

Pretty close to what Penn State actually got!

[Ohio_Cane]

Jorge Milian - Al Golden told me today he plans on deciding on a starting quarterback as early as Aug. 12 and no later than Aug. 19.

[CaneRock]

Worth noting that it isn't 40 schollies but "10 initial plus 20 per year for 4 years" = 80 or 90. USC was what 10 per year? Can overcome that, not 20.

Posted by: Felipe | July 23, 2012 at 10:08 AM

I thought Emmert said that PSU would go from the NCAA limit of 25 scholarships, to 15 for the next four seasons.

[orange 'n green in the vein]

The old, "The NCAA is so mad at PSU they're going to make Miami, Florida stop playing football," routine TC? Looks like they were plenty mad at PSU actually.

The other thing differentiating this and Southern Cal is that PSU won't have the ability to delay through appeal the onset of penalties, thus feeling the effects almost immediately where Kiffen was able to offset the penalties with some smart early enrollments in between appeals so that he's loaded for a title run with only some depth questions should injuries arise as their weak-point instead of roster attrition at the top making them not have enough talent in the starting lineup to compete at the highest level.

[Felipe]

CaneRock: "Penn State must also reduce 10 initial and 20 total scholarships each year for a four-year period.

The scholarship reductions mean that Penn State's roster will be capped at 65 scholarship players within a couple of seasons. The normal scholarship limit for major college football programs is 85. Playing with 20 less is crippling to a program that tries to compete at the highest level of the sport."

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8191027/penn-state-nittany-lions-hit-60-million-fine-4-year-bowl-ban-wins-dating-1998

The verbiage is just laced with legalese but in essence I guess, it's (85 x 4) - (65 x 4) = 340 - 260 = 80.

[herbieibis]

Okay, PSU got the Sledge hammer. Just think in 4 years, they'll have 45 scholarship players on they're roster, maybe. Who in they're right mind would want to go their and play. No chance at a bowl and definetly, no chance at a ship. This will serve as a notice to all universities, not to try & sweep stuff under the carpet for the sake of the football team. They would have been better off with the death penalty for 2 years & got it over with. This penalty is nothing more than slow death.
It's sort of funny how we've gone almost a year, since we got word of Nevin Shapiro and nothing new has been brought up and here we go again, right before we start Fall practice and new stuff comes out. I'll never believe the Golden one had anything to do with all this mess but Barrow having been part of Dandy's staff quit possibly could have gotten caught up in this mess. Regardless, I don't think this latest crap will have any affect on what we are going to get. We"ll at least lose 15 schollies over 3 years and at worst a 2 year bowl ban, one of which we have already served.
This new stuff can only cause this mess to drag out even further but hopefully it will only turn out to be a ruse.
I do look for us to lose Collins. His mug was plastered on Warchant last week, talking about how close he was to Coach Gran. We need to bring in at least 2 quality RB's.
Speaking on location of talent. Lsu is in a great spot because there is no other univ. to compete with them for talent in the state. In Alabama, you have Bama & Auburn. In Ohio, you have OSU and really no other univ. to compete with them. USC & Notre Dame have always recruited Nationally, and out West, what team other than USC has sustained any level of success over the last 15 years, maybe Oregon to a certain degree. Texas very rarely goes outside for they're talent. Oakie goes to Texas to get half they're players because of all the talent in the state of Texas. We've always recruited So. Flo. well but we also have gone up the East coast and recruited well, especially in New Jersy. That has changed in the last 4 or 5 years. We really don't need to go far because our talent is sleeping in our backyard, all except maybe the line positons & QB. Until this issue of sanctions is resolved, Golden will be fighting an up hill battle recruiting. So far he has done pretty good but i'd really like to see what he can do with a full deck of cards.
Lastly, Armstrong's pop must be moron, the dudes had way to many chances and kept playing Russian roulet and finally cut his own self.

[CaneRock]

CaneRock: "Penn State must also reduce 10 initial and 20 total scholarships each year for a four-year period.

The scholarship reductions mean that Penn State's roster will be capped at 65 scholarship players within a couple of seasons. The normal scholarship limit for major college football programs is 85. Playing with 20 less is crippling to a program that tries to compete at the highest level of the sport."

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8191027/penn-state-nittany-lions-hit-60-million-fine-4-year-bowl-ban-wins-dating-1998

The verbiage is just laced with legalese but in essence I guess, it's (85 x 4) - (65 x 4) = 340 - 260 = 80.

Posted by: Felipe | July 23, 2012 at 10:30 AM

Thanks, and WHOOOOOOOO!...yeah, they're PHUCKED! So in essence, they have to cut 10 players this season, am I right?

[The What]

Penn state is now what temple was before al golden got there. Penn state should have self inflicted the DEath penalty for 2 years. They would have been better off. I really hope golden can get some of these players. It's his neck of the woods so hopefully it will help with our depth issues.

Soup - great article. Two questions come to mind.
Is the talent down in Florida hence the low rankings or is the talent so spread out between the big three that they are negating each others ability for a high rank according to these sites?

[Ohio_Cane]

Worth noting that it isn't 40 schollies but "10 initial plus 20 per year for 4 years" = 80 or 90. USC was what 10 per year? Can overcome that, not 20.

Posted by: Felipe | July 23, 2012 at 10:08 AM
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Where did U see this? I read 10 scholarship reduction per year for 4 years.

[Ohio_Cane]

Felipe, sorry I didn't refresh the page before asking that question.

Thanks for the link.

[orange 'n green in the vein]

Al Golden will not touch a current roster player for PSU. Keep dreaming if you think he's seizing this opportunity to pick his alma matter's bones clean. Who do even want off that rebuilding team, Sean Carson? Glenn Stanley? There's not much there that can help a program instantly.

[The What]

Oh and the fact that the psu story completely drowned out goldens press conference is a victory for golden and Miami against Charles Robinson. His plan back fired. :-)

[orange 'n green in the vein]

/\/\

Of course I mean Glenn Carson or Sean Stanley. See what I mean? Even the good players aren't good enough to get their names right.

[The Dude]

Worse than the death penalty! More like a slow death penalty, but hey, they truely got what they deserved. F JoePa! Creep.

[Old Skool]

No matter how unsavory the situation, the jokes should be coming soon like ... How many Penn State coaches does it take to screw in a shower?

[The What]

I hope the NCAA takes advantage of this opportunity to clean up college sports. Where if you have players getting arrested consistently will lead to a punishment. Some how though I don't think they will.

Anyone see the ncaa13 commercial where the Ohio state kid has Desmond Howard on Ohio state. Hahahahahahahaha. Great commercial.

[CaneRock]

This is the comment that concerns me as far as our investigation is concerned. I don't see a hint of discernment in it...

Mark Emmert: "Football will never again be placed ahead of educating, nurturing and protecting young people," Emmert said.

[TJL]

hate to change the subject-anyone been to the USVI St Thomas-St Croix? Me & the Mrs are heading there Friday for a week-looking for places to go other than the usual tourist traps, we like to go native when we travel-Thanks

[Old Skool]

TJL

Here's a start

Go to Cousins Restaurant in Charlotte Amelia, St. Thomas for local food which can be very good. Warning: do not drink Mobi, it tastes like cough syrup. Do not order mannish water unless you're feeling particularly macho: that's goat head soup.

The diary over next to the golf course makes some killer milk shakes.

The ferry to St. John is worth it, particularly the ride back at night.

[Old Skool]

The best restaurant in St. Thomas: The Agave Terrace, good view too.

[TJL]

Thank you Old Skool!

[Old Skool]

Another recommendation, if you're going to rent a car, see if you can get an English one. I find it easier to drive on the left when I'm sitting on the wrong side of the car.

[Old Skool]

Dam
James Holmes dyed his hair to match the Jokers

[UpNorthCane27]

Whats going on canespacers!!!!

Penn St got what it deserved but i do feel for Bill O'brien but then again the guy is in no rush to win immediatley at Penn St now, so he can take his time..

Any updates or rumblings about Artie Burns and jamal carter announcements today?

[Ohio_Cane]

This is the comment that concerns me as far as our investigation is concerned. I don't see a hint of discernment in it...

Mark Emmert: "Football will never again be placed ahead of educating, nurturing and protecting young people," Emmert said.

Posted by: CaneRock | July 23, 2012 at 11:32 AM
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However, the silver lining I guess would be that there's no way our sanctions are as bad as PSU's. Shouldn't even be close, IMO.

[Ohio_Cane]

UpNorth, this is from Papa Cane - "Reminder: 2013 4-Star Safety/CB Artie Burns will be announcing today at 3 p.m. EST at Miami Northwestern. Expect Miami."