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October 21, 2012

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The Brown Recluse

Score should have been 17-3 at halftime, with all of the opportunities given to the Canes. Who is Gunther, and where did he come from? I really enjoyed his tenacity! Jed Fisch is killing me with the passes on 3rd and short in the red zone, line it up and run it with Mike James!
Believe it or not, this was a tune up for the VT game, as Logan Thomas and EJ Manuel are both big QB's that can scramble.
The Canes are 0-3 versus teams that at one time or another were or are being mentioned as national title contenders. All is not lost.

Zakkee

Ride the waves fellas. We will return to glory soon enough.

Can this CANES team win out? There I said it!

There you said what lol! You asked a question, if you want to use an exclamation point and make a statement then you should say:

"The Canes will win out, there I said it!"

Al Golden doesn't have "IT". He has: the motivation, will, determination, the right words, a great textbook on coaching, pure intentions, a great personality, a nice shave, a great head of hair, a Sean Connery-like brow and nice orange ties.

Have any of U ever witnessed a coach direct and devise a plan or scheme that leads to his team beating an opponent who was unquestionably more talented and experienced than his own?

If so, then you know what to look for when I say this:

Al Golden is not capable of doing this.

We'll only beat teams that we are more talented and experienced than.

Jack

Canes will win out! There I said it, lol

Zakkee

I have no choice but to ride the wave--I'm not going anywhere as a die-hard Cane fan for 25 years.

Now if you are telling me to be quiet along the ride, then thats something different.

I don't believe that our loss to FSU was a no-brainer and foregone conclusion.

FSU and ND were not that good that the Miami Hurricanes did not have a real chance at beating them with a solid game plan and execution of it.

KSU is the team that is that good--we didn't have a plausible chance to defeat.

Zakkee

lol Jack...I surely hope so my friend!

Jack

I do believe! Canes are going into the "soft" part of their schedule. Bye week, UVA and USF have losing records, VT is beatable and so is Duke. Even if we lose 1 of the remaining 4 games that puts this YOUNG team at 7-5. That's called improvement, right?

Jack

Zakee -

We have less experience than any team we have played or will play. That's kinda the point, MIAMI is winning and losing with inexperienced young players. Miami was a veteran team last year and went 6-6. If this young team can close strong and go 7-5 or 8-4 that's is improvement. Judge this coach and team over the next two years. It is way too soon to judge a team full of FRESHMAN and SOPHOMORES.

BigWindyCane1

A victory against Virgina Tech, and we are looking at a very possible first Coastal Division Championship ever.

Canes did not play well last night, but I saw some promise. The players just have to understand that you have to do the little things right every day in order to execute. You cannot have a high-powered offense with missed run blocks, missed throws and drops. Young teams tend to lack that focus, but the Coaches cannot allow it to become a habit but the exception. I will judge this staff by their ability to eliminate these mistakes by the end of the season. I believe Golden will get that corrected.

The Canes would also be a lot better with a healthy Duke Jonnson, the Canes best playmaker.

WWIN

Willie Will - I like you and respect your opinions BUT when someone disagrees like me or Zakkee about Morris as QB you don't have to get defensive about it. Zakkee's points are valid. I still think 17 is ok but he is not GREAT - he has flashes during the game when he is and then POOF its gone and he is like that bad ankle or not. What we need is good\great right now with all the other things going on and we just don't have that.Team fought hard last night. That's all I really asked for

Posted by: CGNC | October 21, 2012 at 08:17 AM

This is my thang, I keep it real, I love morris but he doesn't play great all the time and he's going to have some bad games, so is every qb. I PERSONALLY wouldn't have played my injured qb against our biggest rival, this game was the highest opportunity to get re injured in a game that's not important to our main goal. Morris tuffed it out for his team but nobody cared about that, nobody commented on how he showed great leadership. What did y'all expect from him is my thing?? I didn't expect him to play great or even half way decent against one of the best defensive teams in the country so how could I be mad if that's what I expected, if you expected more from him then you are crazy. Play calling is too predictable, I don't care who the qb is, he's not going to be successful when the defense knows what's about to happen, hell I know what's about to happen and I'm just a fan so I know other teams know that watch film. I told people last week that its too many toss plays to Duke and every time he lines up at wr he runs a slant and we throw it to him and look what happened last night. The play morris fumbled it was 3rd and 6, they should have had morris in the shot gun, why would you want him to drop back with a bad ankle? Why would you throw a pass to him?

If you noticed I use to give D'no hell, but the last two games I gave him his props cuz I'm a realist. If you didn't expect morris to do anything why are you mad when he didn't????? If you expected us to get blowed out, why are you mad we lost??

roachcane77

Ya know, I'm just not feeling it right now... I don't WANT to agree with Zakkee, but I'm thinking he could be right... AG may not have "IT." He's good at a lot of things... getting kids motivated and in shape... but devising a plan to make the best use of our talent is NOT one of those things.

2 weeks in a row, teams have TRIED to GIVE away games to us, and we've had NO REPLY... NO SCHEME... NO FEEL FOR the game, and worst of all... NO UNDERSTANDING OF MOMENTUM! Whether it's him, or Fisch, or D'No is not important... ultimately AG is responsible.

We can beat teams we "should" beat... but, I'm agreeing with Zakkee in that I don't see us having the COACHING to "upset" teams we're not "picked" to beat. Yes, the players are not executing, and we have little or no depth... yadda, yadda, yadda... but, not being able to FEEL how to play football and how to ride the wave of momentum and emotion is apparently something AG and crew are currently lacking. I don't know...

Like I said... I'm usually an eternal optimist, but I'm just not feeling it right now... sanctions are coming... we "could" win out and be in the ACC title game, who knows? We're extremely young and AG and his crew "could" turn it all around and make me look like an idiot. I hope so... I just don't feel it right now...

Rest up and get healthy young guns... We all appreciate your efforts... You can still be champions this year... Keep fighting!

orange 'n green in the vein

Willie, it's his left ankle that he doesn't have to plant on. It's not a big deal when he's cortizoned up to obliviousness anyway.

CaneRock

Have any of U ever witnessed a coach direct and devise a plan or scheme that leads to his team beating an opponent who was unquestionably more talented and experienced than his own?

Posted by: Zakkee | October 21, 2012 at 02:18 PM

NO!
Schemes don't win games, players do.
If everybody in America ran the same scheme, only half of them would win...so a scheme is 50/50 AT BEST!
And NO!, we wouldn't have beaten KSU,ND, and FSU with a better gameplan and scheme... AT LEAST not THIS team, THIS season.

orange 'n green in the vein

I have, KSU/OU, 2003 Big 12 title game.

orange 'n green in the vein

You can add KSU/UM last year also among many others.

WWIN

CGNC,

Its all good tho, you know I got luv for ya, I'm never mad, I just be tripping off some of our fans. By the way I did have my son wit me last night.

IMO, what should have been criticized after the game was the offensive play calling not Morris. Some people have it in for morris no matter what, and golden and D'no, just like they never like any commentators and they say they are rooting for the opposing team, and the refs always cheat us.

Canes fans are CRAZY and most of the time only see things the orange and green way

WWIN

Willie, it's his left ankle that he doesn't have to plant on. It's not a big deal when he's cortizoned up to obliviousness anyway.

Posted by: orange 'n green in the vein | October 21, 2012 at 03:37 PM

Yeah, you don't have to feel your ankle get broke but what are you going to do about it the days after?????

Zakkee

Have any of U ever witnessed a coach direct and devise a plan or scheme that leads to his team beating an opponent who was unquestionably more talented and experienced than his own?

Posted by: Zakkee | October 21, 2012 at 02:18 PM

NO!
Schemes don't win games, players do.
If everybody in America ran the same scheme, only half of them would win...so a scheme is 50/50 AT BEST!
And NO!, we wouldn't have beaten KSU,ND, and FSU with a better gameplan and scheme... AT LEAST not THIS team, THIS season.

Posted by: CaneRock | October 21, 2012 at 03:37 PM

This says it all...i rest my case...lol!

By the way, I said that we couldn't beat KSU with any sort of scheme--they have better talent, experience and most importantly, coaching than we do.

ND and FSU were beatable teams...U are just used to accepting less and subsequently losing CaneRock.

Very sad characteristics for a Canes fan.

CGNC

Roach I think what we are witnessing is our coach is a freshmore as well. He is also growing and learning I think. Will it be enough? Dunno, but he is who we have.

CGNC

I think we win out. There I said it.

Zakkee

roachcane, I salute you for admitting that you just don't want to agree with me. I believe thats a covertly popular sentiment around here, but it takes a man to override the personal and roll with what your own wisdom and reason tells you.

I don't want to believe what I'm saying either. I don't benefit or get any kicks out of this.

Zakkee

Roach I think what we are witnessing is our coach is a freshmore as well. He is also growing and learning I think. Will it be enough? Dunno, but he is who we have.

Posted by: CGNC | October 21, 2012 at 04:16 PM

There it is right there ^^^

CGNC

WWIN: We need consistent play at the QB position and we are NOT getting it.

Zakkee

Roach, you are right on about the "understanding of momentum"--that post was pure genius! What we are seeing is very difficult to articulate and you did a great job sir.

CGNC

Zakkee - I realized that when he had one of his first interviews with ESPN - LOL. Its one thing to be on the field after practice and answer questions and another to be doing it under the bright lights so to speak

Montreal-Cane

I think we win out. There I said it.

Posted by: CGNC | October 21, 2012 at 04:18 PM

I have this feeling too.

USAFCane

I don't know what to think anymore, the biggest game of the season is VT so there's plenty to play for but I'm not hopeful, discouraged more like. When do we ever beat VT in game that means something?

Left some plays on the O that could have made a difference but were beaten fair and square.

They are young, I was watching UF game, they had 1 soph on their D, the rest Jr and Srs.

Alambama get 5 star players and coach them up with elite coaches, Elite coaches cost money (i think most elite players might do also), canes staff is low budget, you get what you pay for.

I think this team is top 25/real ACC contender next year. I believe that is now the best we can hope for, college football has moved on and this program is not in any position to keep up.

I guess we're ACC contender this year despite our many flaws, VT games is everything, win and we may win out, lose, division slips away, most likely the season.

I'll go out on a limb and say VT is by far AG's biggest game of his career, it is a game the Canes can win but will they?

WWIN

CGNC,

We need consistent play calling from our OC and we are not getting it.

Dan

Team played hard. Thats all im looking for. We are completely outmanned right now.

D is getting better especially the youngsters in the secondary. Our seniors are a dumpster fire especially Rogers.

Time and recruiting will fix what ails us.

Zakkee

We have less experience than any team we have played or will play. That's kinda the point, MIAMI is winning and losing with inexperienced young players. Miami was a veteran team last year and went 6-6. If this young team can close strong and go 7-5 or 8-4 that's is improvement. Judge this coach and team over the next two years. It is way too soon to judge a team full of FRESHMAN and SOPHOMORES.

Posted by: Jack | October 21, 2012 at 02:49 PM

Jack, when you get a chance can you run down my rights or rules for being a Miami Hurricane fan please (seriously)?

This post is all over the place lol!

So one must wait 3 to 4 seasons before their mind is able to form an opinion or concept of how are coaches coach or players perform?

Should I not watch the Miami Hurricanes until 2014? I mean that's when I'd be justifiably allowed to critique right?

If youth is the issue and we were a veteran team last year, then what happened last season?

Are Golden and his staff finished products (where they should be in every phase of coaching a college football team?) I mean he is an adult, has some experience, and was hired to be a total package correct? Is he a work in progress?

Let me suggest a better argument for those who don't want to hear any criticism of the coaching staff and dismiss any inclination that leaders should hold any accountability for the performance of their subordinates:

Like CGNC just said, even though Golden and the gang don't want to admit it--they are young and experienced as well. If Golden expressed this I'd back off. He has asked Us to hold him accountable and thats what I do...its really simple.

He says, give the kids sometime, we gotta bring in more talent--why is he doing this too himself.

Its the same as Lebron James: you can't call yourself "the king", "the chosen one", count off 5 or 6 championships beforehand, attention-seek with the media (The Decision) and not attract any accountability to your own statements.

Golden is not a victim...he has asked for this.

Zakkee

Team played hard. Thats all im looking for. We are completely outmanned right now.

D is getting better especially the youngsters in the secondary. Our seniors are a dumpster fire especially Rogers.

Time and recruiting will fix what ails us.

Posted by: Dan | October 21, 2012 at 04:50 PM

These exact words can be found in the blog video above.

86Cane

Just back to the CCC in the 863.

What did I miss?

86Cane

Golden is not a victim...he has asked for this.

Posted by: Zakkee | October 21, 2012 at 04:51 PM

That's what I told UM a few weeks back.

They didn't like it.

86Cane

I think this is usually about the time of year that we start street fights and then begin eating our own?

NativeCane

Sorry SOUP, Golden voided the guarantee with that onside kick to start the second half. It was in the fine print!

Go Canes!!!

CGNC

Hi 86! We are solving all the world's problems LOL. So another season we do not get our 9-3.....

CaneRock

f youth is the issue and we were a veteran team last year, then what happened last season?

Posted by: Zakkee | October 21, 2012 at 04:51 PM

So FSU and KSU couldn't be better than us two years in a row?

You must not be aware of what's going on around the country, as it pertains to recruiting,Miami, and South Florida in general?

Alabama's top offensive player (Cooper) went to MNW.

Some of Louisville's top dawgs went to MNW, and other parts of South Florida.

WVU's top dawgs on offense (Smith and Bailey)went to school about ten minutes from SLS.

Some of FSU's top dawgs are from Miami and South Florida.

The only scheme I care about, is the scheme that's gonna stop the teams that I mentioned from RAPING! us in our own backyard.

IOWs, PHUCK! the plays, I want PLAYERS!


WWIN

Just back to the CCC in the 863.What did I miss?

Posted by: 86Cane | October 21, 2012 at 04:56 PM

Oh nothing, just the normal over reaction talk. You know how people go into the medicine cabinet after a loss and get a hold of those over reaction pills.

myndraize

Maybe its just me but fisch as of late seems to be lacking confidence in his play calling.Why out think yourself when the option is so simple,it looks like he gets impatient when running the ball and it is in the team best intrest to do so.

WWIN

I hate to post something from another blog but this was dead on point!!

From the MH blog

We had 26 First Down Play Calls (including the 4 first downs on the last Drive)...we ran the ball 9 times for 36 yards and 1 TD

We passed the ball the other 14 times with 7 Incomplete, 2 Sacks -6 yards each,1 False Start, 1 FSU Penalty, and were 3 completions for 28 before the Last Drive where were were 3 for 50 yards.

That is 71% Negative Plays!!!!!!!!!I

nstead of having Second and 6 7 more times in the game, we were second and 10 or more 10 times in the game!

We had 4 3 and outs...2 with Incompletes on First Down.

FSU scores after 3 of 4 3 and outs for 16 points.No wonder we lost the game!

Morris was 25/43 (7/7 on the last drive). That means he was 18/36 with 7 incompletes on First Downs with 2 additional Sacks.

That means he is 18/29 with out those 7 Incompletes on First Downs...that is 62% and if you add in the 7/7 on the last drive he would have been 25/36 69.4%!

I bet we run the ball on the 7 first downs for an average of 4 yards a carry like we did not the 9 other first downs an we have a chance at the end.

I do not think it is Morris checking to all those First Down Pass Calls...Most of it is calls from the sidelines...

Offensive Play Calling has been poor in the Second and Third Quarters all season...OC gets away from the run game too quickly...

Why does OC call toss to Duke into the boundary all the time?

Why have I not seen the Counter Play Duke and James had long runs at the first of the Season?

I am just complaining at this point...but I feel the OC has taken the running game away from us with his play calling...

It seems like after the Morris 566 yrds...we have totally gotten away from what was working....

Now that I got that off my chest...

Reality...this game did not matter...

Need to beat VT & Duke (will be a challenge at Duke)...Hope they are out of it by the time we play them...Duke has @FSU, Clemson, @GT, and UM

Still it is a 2 game Season! I think we will beat UVA.

Maybe it is hopeful thinking, but it seems like when out backs are against the wall we play better...

OC, our backs are against the wall for the rest of the Season!

Posted by: Its A Cane Thing! | October 21, 2012 at 02:42

roachcane77

Yeah... good stats there. Our 1st down calls are unintelligible sometimes... and yes... I have missed the counter play to Duke too. All this boundary stuff is not getting him up field. And the occasional pass up field would be nice too... We're getting too predictable with our dump offs which are practically laterals... It would be nice if our TEs would step up... they're not even blocking well right now, much less catching. The wheel routes to Mike James were beautiful. (We should continue using those... especially since we are CONTINUALLY getting burned on defense by other teams throwing to THEIR backs in the flats.)

Zakkee

Willie, you know that "dead on point!!!" post is critical of the coaching decisions that you defend to the end. I guess these points read better on another site.

That post isn't over reaction talk huh?

Well thats good I'm not gonna patronize or be condescending...I'd rather Us have unity rather than be "right" or "wrong".

Jack

Zakee -

I choose to believe in the 4 year process for a new coach in college football. I feel a head coach deserves 3-4 years before I start to criticize him or call for his head. I like to hold off on critizing a Freshman peroid. Coach Golden has a plan. I truly believe this guy has "it". I hope he stays!

orange 'n green in the vein

Now, now Zakkee, you would enjoy this three game losing streak so much more if you just would be quiet and support the boys unconditionally. Personally I think Jedd got away from the standard run plays last night because he was facing the best defensive line in the nation.

BigWindyCane1

IOWs, PHUCK! the plays, I want PLAYERS!

Posted by: CaneRock | October 21, 2012 at 05:30 PM

Golden has done a great job of recruiting Palm Beach, Tampa, Broward and Miami-Dade, but the Canes still need to do a better job of building a fence around South Florida elite players.

Hopefully, the loss last night will not hurt the Canes in these recruiting battles.

BigWindyCane1

I'll go out on a limb and say VT is by far AG's biggest game of his career, it is a game the Canes can win but will they?

Posted by: USAFCane | October 21, 2012 at 04:42 PM

Yes, Va Tech game is now the biggest game for AG, and the Canes CAN and WILL find a way to win.

WWIN

Zakkee,

I never said the coaching has been great. The over reaction talk is about fans that's on morris case and thought we would get blew out before the game started are still complaining even tho it was a very competitive game. I like Golden but I don't agree 100% with everything he does, I agree about 90%. I thought the team fought hard last night but we had bad play calling. Is Fisch going to have a bad game some games yes but to call for the coaching staff to go is over reacting. A lot of factors played into the offensive play last night.

My point is this, if you are going to point the finger at anybody last night its Fisch not morris. But I'm not calling for Fisch to be fired.

The team gained fsu's respect last night and to me that's a huge step in the right direction so nobody should be complaining. People need to understand that a process takes time, McDonald's didn't start selling burgers to millions of people the first two years of business.

What everybody should have WANTED last night was a COMPETITIVE game and that's what you got.

WWIN

OGV,

When you gon answer my question dog???

orange 'n green in the vein

Willie,I try to keep my posts here hurricane sports related as possible a the CEO asks, nothing personal, so to speak, against you or your query.

WWIN

OGV,

Get the hell out of here wit that lol. You posted plenty of things un cane related and he has too. But I was just messing witcha, is just funny that your girl thinks like you lol

86Cane

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