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October 15, 2012

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mike p

Noles are going down!

WWIN

Bush

CGNC

Pretty big grin you got going on there Skool LOL!

canesteeler

My question to canespace is do any of you feel the Canes are a well coached team? Please no bashing just give your opinions. Personally the only difference I see from the Shannon regime is the kids appear to be in better shape. Too often I have witnessed defensive players running around before the snap as if they don't know their assignments. I know this is a process but once again I don't see the growth and development of the players from week to week. Our football iq is still subpar. I I feel the program will continue to be below average until we can start dominating on the offensive and defensive lines. As big as our OL is, I seldom see them driving players off the line of scrimmage and on just about every running play the dl has penetrated into our back field. I have not figuered out what our identity is on offense. Mike James was running the hell out of the ball and all of a sudden he dissappeared for a quarter. Also to often it seems as if our offensive coordinator comes up with plays and formations that come off of NCAA live. I know there is a process but once I would like to walk away from a game without thinking we were beaten by a basketball school.

CGNC

BTW welcome to Memphisnole. You seem cool to blog with.

UMike whatever happened to scum?

86Cane


Pretty big grin you got going on there Skool LOL!

Posted by: CGNC | October 15, 2012 at 07:26 PM

U see that hat? He's a cowboy!

WWIN

Jigga,

You didn't enjoy seeing lockhart getting his first action of the season wit 6 games to go???

CGNC

canesteeler - I am not going to say the coaching is bad. I will say it could be better. I think the D with Stoops of FSU and formerly of UM would look quite a bit better. As for the offense, not sure how much of that is on Fisch - I think 17 has the ability to change the play and has in the past as well as miss open players. And the players need to catch the ball and the QB needs to make the throws. Again, not sure just my $0.02.

CGNC

U see that hat? He's a cowboy!

Posted by: 86Cane | October 15, 2012 at 07:34 PM

Indiana Jones!

CaneRock

Posted by: canesteeler | October 15, 2012 at 07:26 PM

"Too often I have witnessed defensive players running around before the snap as if they don't know their assignments."

Yeah, what's up with that ish, that right there indicates too much thinking.

"As big as our OL is, I seldom see them driving players off the line of scrimmage and on just about every running play the dl has penetrated into our back field."

Especially with 7 in the box, we should've been gashin' UNC. And UNC was playing their safeties DEEEEEP!

"Also to often it seems as if our offensive coordinator comes up with plays and formations that come off of NCAA live."

I don't know if He's getting plays off of video games, but coming out in the Wild Cat was a head scratcher. The facial expression on Stephen's face after that Wild Cat throw, was like, "Alright, enough with this ish...Fish".

CaneRock

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CaneRock

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Posted by: CaneRock | October 15, 2012 at 07:49 PM

Never mind, I'm blue again. It worked after I hit refresh...

dj moonbat

Too often I have witnessed defensive players running around before the snap as if they don't know their assignments. I know this is a process but once again I don't see the growth and development of the players from week to week.

Posted by: canesteeler | October 15, 2012 at 07:26 PM


That's the thing that gets to me: yeah, they're young, so some breakdowns on D are to be expected. But as the weeks go by, we should be seeing fewer and fewer plays where they don't look like they know what to do. And I just don't think we are seeing that.

Old Skool

With a beer in hand and a babe under the arm, the grins come naturally.

panamacitycane

Anyone notice that monster to the right in the background on the third picture? Think he can play defense??? Since we are looking for walk ons get him out there!! Hahahah

BEAT FSU

canezilla

AFTER SEEING THE PICS IM READY TO PUT UP THE TENT AND START THE GRILLE!!!

pbcfrcane13

Hell yea Zilla!

WWIN

Defense did improve this past game, at the most important time, the 2nd half, so maybe that'll be some momentum.

I hope everybody understands that if the defense really does improve it'll be gradual. We're not going to go from giving up 600 yds to 300 yds in a weeks time. So we made steps in the right direction.

BigWindyCane1

Player development goes a long way in defining a good coach.
If I see players improving game-to-game and year-to-year, then I will say there is good coaching. Golden has only had 1.5 seasons, and most of the team last year entered the NFL draft too early so we will never know what could have been this year. Still, there is some hope when you look at each position and its development.

On Offense:
QB - Morris is definitely developing and much better than last year. Still can improve a lot.
RB - Mike James is developing and Duke Johnson showed a lot early but stalled after he got injured.

OL - This group is better than last year. Seantrel lost weight and developed after second game. He is clearly the most talented OL and on track for the NFL, but must stay focused and continue to develop. Another year will put him in a good position.
Feliciano is developing and has become the most consistent lineman this year in my view.
Linder is very good, but has stalled

TE - This group is a disappointment. They need to step up and make catches.
WR - Dorsett developed, then regressed
Hurns is good, but stalled recently.
Scott is also developing, but needs to improve his route running, as does the entire group. I like to see WRs give their QB a target and attack the ball. I don't see enough of that among the TEs and WRs. A desire to win (or should I say dominate) their individual matchups is lacking.

On Defense
DTs - Smith is horrible and Pierre is maintaining, but young DTs are improving the last two games. Would like to see a lot more improvement among that younger group


DEs - Chick started out great, but has not become dominant yet. Still Chick is our best DE by far; other DEs are very, very average if not below average. I see no disruption, no penetration, no holding the edge and no dominance on ANY plays.

LBs - Perryman is good, and the young LBs are developing. Johnson and Paul have developed. But the group is very young and not deep. The group shows potential and flashes but needs to grow up.

CB - McGee is miles better than last year and will play in the NFL. I saw the underclassmen CBs take a step forward in the last game, but they are still young, inexperienced and need to get a lot better as a group

Safties - Bush has definitely developed, but needs to get better. As a group, very disappointing. Telemaque is the biggest disappointment.

I would say overall, the jury is still out but it appears that the coaches are doing a good job at developing the players. The next 5 games will tell us a lot about this staff's ability to build this program.

panamacitycane

Oh yeah..I live in tallahassee and drove past fsu practice fields. The have a big hurricane warning flag(two red with black squares) flying off their lift thats over the field for filming... they are getting ready for the canes..I really hope we are too

WWIN

^^^^^^^

This reminds me, we need to wear our gold helmets wit the hurricane warning signs on em

86Cane

Canesteeler...in answer to your question about coaching I'll post what I emailed U:

That is a tough question. I had this discussion with Judson (Old Skool) on the long ride home and we were BOTH torn in two directions (negative and positive) on this. Clearly there is major room for improvement ALL across the board and we are nowhere near where we need to be from a talent, depth AND coaching standpoint but it is still too early to tell IF Golden and company are going to get the job done either sooner or maybe later.

Are we playing like a well coached team right now? Probably not.

Should we be getting better as the year goes on? Probably so.

Are we going to? Only time will tell.

Sooner or later we are going to play a complete game in all three phases. Lets hope it is against FSU and VT the next two weeks.

86Cane

The problem I have is there seems to be no sense of urgency. I mean with FSU and VT coming up on the schedule don't U know that U ABSOLUTELY have to beat UNC last week?

To get to 9-3 which is what I predicted before the season began Miami would have to go undefeated the rest of the way.

Can they? SURE.

Do I think they will? NO.

IF they do well there will be nobody happier in all the world than 86Cane (yes, that was a third person reference).

dj moonbat

To get to 9-3 which is what I predicted before the season began Miami would have to go undefeated the rest of the way.

Posted by: 86Cane | October 15, 2012 at 11:11 PM


You predicted 9-3? Wow -- that's faith, right there.

orange 'n green in the vein

Never have I seen the swinging gate conversion be completed successfully against UM ever until Saturday.

Mutants from Philly defensive coaching, finds another new low to plumb in 2012.

canezilla


^^^^^^^

This reminds me, we need to wear our gold helmets wit the hurricane warning signs on em

Posted by: Willie Will in Nashville | October 15, 2012 at 10:19 PM
NEVERMIND HELMETS WILLIE.WE JUST NEED TO BLIIIIITZZZ

raizecane

Canezilla - EJ will pick us apart if we blitz because we have no clue how to disguise it.

LB

"Canezilla - EJ will pick us apart if we blitz because we have no clue how to disguise it."

Then Manuel hasn't a clue. The 96th ranked defense in America is waiting for him!

Kidding.

I really hope we don't take a killing. Ryan Williams has absolutely nothing to lose. Let it rip.

canezilla

ITS JUST THE FEW GAMES I WATCHED FSU PLAY WHENEVER EJ HAS A LITTLE PRESSURE HE SCREWS UP BAD!I SAY WE SIT BACK AND WE WILL GET PICKED APART.FUK IT 1 SAFETY WITH A BLITZ ON!!!

Ohio_Cane

Position Update: Freshman DT Jacoby Briscoe, 6'5'' and 315 lbs, is working with the offensive line. That's most likely his new home.

nemo2002

USA Today has Miami ranked at number 65 in the FBS, two spots above Navy and two spots below Temple. OUCH


NCAA football re-rank 1-124: Our list from first to last
http://usat.ly/TrXFXV

Sinistercane

Position Update: Freshman DT Jacoby Briscoe, 6'5'' and 315 lbs, is working with the offensive line. That's most likely his new home.

Posted by: Ohio_Cane | October 16, 2012 at 09:26 AM

Just wow the only DT we have with size and we send him to the oline:/ :(.

pbcfrcane13

Yea I don't get that move. 6 5 315 wow I mean just to move that person youd have to put two guys on him. WTH! I mean I know they know their players better of course, but I dont get this one.

86Cane

Miami’s Stefanie Yderstrom has been named to the Preseason All-ACC Team by the conference coaches and the league’s Blue Ribbon Panel, while the Hurricanes were voted fifth in the Coaches Preseason Poll, as announced Tuesday by the conference office at the ACC Women’s Basketball Media Day.

This season for the first time, the ACC coaches and the Blue Ribbon Panel voted separately on both the Preseason Poll and the Preseason All-ACC Team.

After a junior season in which she earned third-team conference honors, leading the ACC with 68 three-pointers, Yderstrom becomes one of 10 women named to the Preseason Coaches and Blue Ribbon Panel Preseason All-ACC Teams.

The conference coaches voted the Hurricanes fifth in their preseason poll, while the Blue Ribbon Panel – made up of national and local media members – voted Miami has the ACC’s sixth-best team heading into the 2012-13 season.

The Hurricanes open their season on Nov. 5 with a home exhibition against Nova Southeastern. The regular season gets underway on Nov. 9 against UNF.

86Cane

I mean I know they know their players better of course, but I dont get this one.

Posted by: pbcfrcane13 | October 16, 2012 at 10:31 AM

TRUST THE PROCESS.

4-Real

Ain't these the same fools that tried to move Luther Robinson to offense??!!

pbcfrcane13

86 Im trusting I will always trust I mean I backed Randy all the way till about halfway of his final season and threw in the towel.

86Cane

pbcfr...me too. I had this conversation with Old Skool on the way home in the car also:

1. We ALL thought that Randy would get it done at Miami. I mean who else could know more about Miami Hurricane football than Randy Shannon? How could he fail? There was no way! Until year four when there was no doubt anymore and he was gone. That sad chapter in UM football is closed.

2. We ALL hope Golden will get it done at Miami. He seems to have a plan. He seems smart enough to figure this out. He seems to be a good recruiter. Now can he get the right coaches around him? Can he motivate, develop and coach on game day? Time will tell and it is still WAY too early to tell.

We expect to see improvement. We expect to beat teams we "should beat" (like UNC). Losing to #4 KSU and #5 Notre Dame is not the problem. We ALL know we are not a top 10 team YET. But there is no reason we should not be a top 50 team this year and a top 25 team next year and a top 10 team the year after that.

If that doesn't happen Al Golden himself will be the first one to tell you he doesn't deserve to be here. So for now all we can do is hope for better days, trust the process and look for results on THE FIELD. Where Jacoby Briscoe plays at UM is so relatively insignificant that for anyone to get their panties all in a bunch is silly.

U know what matters to me: UNC 18, UM 14

And what matters EVEN MORE is what happens on the scorboard the next two weeks. The final score is OUR problem. The rest of the details is Al Golden's problem.

pbcfrcane13

86 I agree with you, but when you keep saying you have no men at DT I dont know 65 315 sounds like a man to me....but again Im not dumb I get Golden and his staff watch these kids and know whats best for the team.....just a little confusing thats all.

Also I think what people need to get and which seems like you do Golden isn't trying to win today (as in a national championchip)hes ok with taking his licks now let these kids learn and get PT so like you said next year we really dont lose anybody of important.

And by year 4 he will have SR qb starting or a QB who has been in the system for 3 years as in Dewey or Crow or even Olsen with 2 years in the system. Again we will still have all the players who have big roles still here. WR Lewis, Dorsett, Scott

OL other than Linder and Henderson will be back

DL everybody whose playing now will still be here
LB all will still be here

and same with the the safety roles.

So yes trust the process and hopefully he load this class 33 schollies enough to were the loss of scholarships dont hinder us to bad.

pbcfrcane13

The problem will be after year 4,5 when the scholarships will hit us and we will use our depth again....oh the fun of being a die hard fan!

LB

"1. We ALL thought that Randy would get it done at Miami. I mean who else could know more about Miami Hurricane football than Randy Shannon? How could he fail? There was no way! Until year four when there was no doubt anymore and he was gone. That sad chapter in UM football is closed."

Well, severing the lines of communication (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/15/sports/ncaafootball/15sportsbriefs-canes.html?_r=0) and his adversarial relationship with the media were hints (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMGkno6qJzY). Pushing away UM greats also wasn't smart.

"2. We ALL hope Golden will get it done at Miami. He seems to have a plan. He seems smart enough to figure this out. He seems to be a good recruiter. Now can he get the right coaches around him? Can he motivate, develop and coach on game day? Time will tell and it is still WAY too early to tell."

Plan? Check. Recruiting? Check. Coaching? In progress. D'Onofrio is walking the last mile.

"We expect to see improvement. We expect to beat teams we "should beat" (like UNC). Losing to #4 KSU and #5 Notre Dame is not the problem. We ALL know we are not a top 10 team YET. But there is no reason we should not be a top 50 team this year and a top 25 team next year and a top 10 team the year after that."

I did not expect UM to surpass a 10 win ceiling. Nor I do expect them to fall past a 6 win floor. I stand by 8 wins. Our end of season schedule looks good.

We should not have lost to UNC. Period. If that doesn't spark this team to get motivated, nothing will. Satan's team approaches, and we will need all the happiness in the universe to defeat the evil that resides in Tallahassee.

LB

Papa Cane, defending D'Onofrio:

http://caneland.webs.com/apps/blog/show/19370400-putting-coach-d-on-trial

I disagree with him on a great many points here.

"We are only mid-way through year two of this defense. In order to truly judge whether D’Onofrio is a suitable defensive coordinator for the Hurricanes, we would have to have already completed year four with year five already in progress."

Perhaps, but this is a coordinator who arguably hasn't won one big game in his entire career (Ga. Tech in 2011 being the possible exception). He's had his chances. See records vs. UCLA & Penn State at Temple. I do think that improvement over time would probably happen given the talent in South Florida. But the current state of the defense makes us all question 1. His ceiling, 2. Capability to win big games, 3. The length of time to "get it right." If it takes five years to be able to beat UNC and still lose to Notre Dame & Kansas State, then keeping him is not justified. Not with these current statistics, regardless of youth or injury.


"Miami fans need to come to the realization that we are no longer in the 80’s. The years of being a perennial powerhouse are far and away in the rear-view mirror."

There are a few idiots, yes. But primarily Canes fans came to that realization a while ago. Finishing no higher than 2nd in the Coastal does that to a fanbase. Why hire a coach from Temple if not? And I LOVE Al Golden.

"Instead of bashing the program because it isn’t what is used to be, stand up and be proud of being a Miami Hurricane and support the team unconditionally. Championship programs are not built in a year. That’s just a fact. Championship programs are grown. Before Miami’s first national championship Howard Schnellenberger came in with a five year plan. It took him all five years to reach the pinnacle of success. The frustration of being a fan of a fallen giant is completely understandable. It’s just misplaced passion."

No, it isn't. Criticisms help us grow. Only with the dead ticket sales did Randy Shannon cease to be a Hurricane. We criticize because we want this team to grow. Not all of us are reactionary. We see the long-term picture. Golden himself invited criticism from his opening press conference. That has not changed.

"Coach D’Onofrio deserves a fair shake. Coach D is doing the best he can with the hand he was dealt. It’s not like he’s sitting on a royal flush, it’s more like trying to stretch a pair of 7’s as far as he can. Abruptly ending his tenure at Miami would result in an entirely new defensive philosophy which would, in essence, be counterproductive."

He has had more than a fair shake under Al Golden. The Ohio State he defeated has 7 losses. He is 0-2 vs. Kansas State. He is also winless against Penn State (though the numbers steadily improved), and did not win a bowl game. Of course a D'Onofrio defense will eventually win the ACC Coastal. The ACC in itself is a terrible conference. Not to win such would be outright failure. But is that it? The ACC Coastal Champion?

"This team is on the rise. Starting from square one for the second time in two and a half years would be irresponsible at this point."

Square one would be an upgrade from square zero. Yes, this team is rising. But it can do better.

When we win a bowl game, I'll shut up. Until then, tinker away. Again, D'Onofrio is on his farewell tour. I hope a few wins come out of it.

86Cane

There are those that are excessively critical and bordering on delusionally negative about the program and it's current status. They are wrong.

PapaCane is delusionally positive about the program. He is a complete blind homer ala Don Bailey who if the UM team plane crashed but three survived he would talk about what a great victory that was for the UM program.

He lives in a world where ANY negative comments or VALID criticisms about the program are not only wrong but unacceptable and to him UNDISPUTABLE livign proof that U are not a REAL fan.

HOGWASH!

86Cane

Take for example the article I wrote above about the UNC game. The game was thoroughly depressing because it was a game we all drove HOURS to get to, thought we would win and should have won.

You should be in the parking lot AFTER these losses and hear REAL lifetime UM fans who spend all their spare cash and drive hours to go to the game and hear what they say. Most of it I can't even print it here.

The article I wrote is as FAIR and BALANCED as humanly possible without being pure nonsense and utter trash.

To PapaCane it probably reads as pure blasphemy. That's on HIM not ME.

Ohio_Cane

Golden quotes coming...

Terrance Sullivan

86, Thanks for speaking the truth bruh. see ya Saturday at Sun Life.

j.w.

Hmm, I actually think we're exactly where we should be, other than getting annihilated twice. :) More seriously: We beat two teams (BC and Bethune) we should have beated because we're more talented. We lost to three teams (K State, ND, and UNC) that are more talented. Yes, the scores for two of the games are awful,and we didn't perform like we should have. And we defeated two other teams (Ga. Tech, NC State) that have equivalent if not better talent than we have.
In every game we could have played better, but you could say that about the Atlanta Falcons right now as well. And when the people who get paid to analyze and write about the sport tell you "Miami is going to flat out stink," or say a 6-6 season would be a success for Miami, I'd say that what we've seen so far isn't that bad.

Ohio_Cane

Al Golden said he believes #FSU is the most complete team the #Canes will face

Golden: QB Morris "did not practice today & he prob won't practice tom. ..I would have to classify him as gametime.''

Golden: Preston Dewey is backup QB. "Stephen is more mental right now; Ryan is more physical'' reps

Golden on Ryan Williams: "He has pocket presence, good touch & he's long. He's not afraid to stay in the pocket.''

Al Golden said running game this week will be critical

Golden said #FSU is ahead of #UM in the big picture and its time for #Canes to respond

Golden on Duke Johnson (toe): "He's doing good. We need him to play more. Randy Johnson is a tough kid.''

Golden said Duke Johnson looked good in practice today; hasn't shown discomfort with turf toe after being limited last week

j.w.

beaten ^^

Ohio_Cane

Golden said Jimmy Gaines looked good in practice today, might be ahead in race for starting MLB job

Uhhh, what?

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