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November 02, 2012

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orange 'n green in the vein

Windy does bring up some good comparison points between the cases but it's also true that no two infractions sentences are the same. Just lop off six schollys preemptively and stand tall before the committee. Personally, I view this as still a future issue that shouldn't even be a fan worry right now when we've got much more important worries right in front of us, like that trip to Charlottesville with a suddenly frisky Wahoo squad with a chance to finally eliminate them from the division race, beating Duke, in football, to win possibly the worst division in college football by finishing behind a team we should have beat anyway. Not to mention that HUGE 'rivalry' game with that team from Tampa that's still on the schedule.

TrollAlert aka Tbutch

Please keep up.

The NCAA's supposed philosophy now is leaning towards punishing perpretators (ie coaches) more than schools/athletes. With show cause and so forth. Even bans on employment. Hurtt and others might be in for a world of Hurtt. Pun intended.

So what is your point? That the school gets hammered? Maybe or maybe not. Quoting Stalin wins you no points from me, comrade.

Old Skool

Somebody should go ask him on his MySpace, bet he keeps plenty of tabs on there still since you know, he doesn't have football on the calender to distract him from it anymore.

OGV laying the wood.

Terrance Sullivan

OGV is on fire today. 86 as always coming strong with great points.

orange 'n green in the vein

Old Skool, somebody must have soaked my root in frum for breakfast this morning.

Ken roberts

It,s probably time for the ACC revenue sharing agreement to be published on thisblog. This is a public contract between the ACC and the schools, and can be obtained via afreedon of information request to any public school.

I had a copy in 1992' but t hat would be out-of-date money wise now.

Basically the ACC gets all the bowl money and etends an expense allwnce to theschools. When maryland wentto the OB against UF they got $1million expense. They took everybody in the state and lost money.

The ACC guarantees the ticket minimums, and this comes out of the gross.

Get the full agreement to see the contribution details from home football and home basketball.

Jack

Tony -

3 year bowl ban? Bro, Penn State got a 4 year bowl ban for covering up the RAPE of children from the president down! NO MORE BOWL BANS, NCAA WANTS SCHOLARSHIPS!!

BigWindyCane1

The Canes are favored in their last 3 games, and they should win out and win the first-ever ACC Coastal Division Championship and play in their first-ever ACC-CG. If they win, it will show that Golden knows how to keep his team focused and prepared (unlike prior coaches). That accomplishment will be a barometer on how far Golden has taken the Canes.

Golden has already accomplished something that no other Canes coach has done since entering the ACC - beat GT and VT in the same season. Coker and Shannon never beat the Hokies and the Yellow Jackets in the same season.
2011 - beat GT, lost to VT
2010 - beat GT, lost to VT
2009 - beat GT, lost to VT
2008 - lost to GT, beat VT
2007 - lost to GT, lost to VT
2006 - lost to GT, lost to VT
2005 - lost to GT, beat VT
2004 -beat GT, lost to VT
Virginia Tech wins Coastal - 2005, 2007, 2008, 2010 and 2011
Georgia Tech wins Coastal - 2006, 2009

Beating the established champions is how you show progress and that is how you win a Division - by beating the teams that have won your Division for 8 straight years. That shows progress, and probably puts Golden a little ahead of schedule by building this program his (the right) way.

Sarasota 'cane

You have to take the post season lump now! We are not ready to knock off FSU and playing that game is going to piss off the NCAA to no end. We may very well have 2 more bowl bans looming as it is so " kicking this can" down the road for an additional 2 years would be a disaster!
If the school takes this course then you can guarantee that we would lose a few juniors and seniors in addition to the scholarship players that we are already likely to lose. And for what? So we can go to Charlotte as a 4 loss representative of the Coastal Division? If UNC wasn't already on probation we wouldn't even be eligible!
Our lumps are going to be severe given the coaching staff involvement. It's no longer UM's word against a convicted felon's word. It's been widely reported that players, coaches, and other members of UM's athletic department have already corroborated many of Shapiro's allegations.
It is my opinion that we need to show the NCAA that we take these allegations seriously and that we need to take as much of our punishment that we can sooner rather than later. Pumping our chests at being a 4 loss Coastal Division Champion shows just how far we are from where we are trying to get to!
P.S. I hope that we can support Donna Shalala and the entire administration with whatever decision they choose. They are in a "no win" situation with either choice they make. I think she'll choose sooner rather than later, but you never know what kind of pressure she is under to rack up some hollow victory now to appease some high rolling booster(s). Only time will tell.

Go 'canes!

86Cane

Frum smoked root.

Man that was some good stuff!

WWIN

I would hope if we qualify for the acc chip skipping that and s bowl with last year ban would be enough. That's 3 post season games we skipped. Take our medicine now our well regret it next year. When we could be playing for more important things.

Posted by: pbcfrcane13 | November 04, 2012 at 09:26 AM

Totally agree, that's what I've been saying for the last month. Your post before this one was right on point too.

86Cane

GO CANES, GO FISH!!!

pbcfrcane13

Sarasota I agree 100%. If we make it we have to turn it down. Like I said earlier that will show the NCAA that we have taken a 3 game postseason ban. I would think that they would not hit us with anymore bowl bans just schollys and probation. Lets get this over with now with this young team and get ready for the next two years where we will hopefully start to make our climb back to the top! Plus if we take it now and we do not get anymore bowl bans we can not lose players without them having to sit.

LB

Something to consider:

If the Canes beat UVA and Duke loses to Ga. Tech...

...the result of the UM/Duke game is irrelevant. UM goes to the ACC title game as it holds tiebreakers over Ga. Tech and Virginia Tech.

BEAT UVA!

WWIN

Posted by: Sarasota 'cane | November 04, 2012 at 01:14 PM

Great post, I said the same thing yesterday, if we play in the acccg its gon definitely piss off the NCAA.

WWIN

Also the opportunity is perfect for us this year if we win out. We have the opportunity to take two bans in one year to go along wit the one from last year. IMO the NCAA won't give us more than one more bowl ban if they do give us one. If we don't take the bans I think they will hit us wit 2-3 more

orange 'n green in the vein

You don't get to count the ACCCG and the bowl as a two different postseason bans guys. It's disqualifying yourself from post season play, you can only do that once a year no matter how many hours of football game time you don't end up playing that you otherwise would have. Play the title game, cut some schollys and vigorously defend your programs (which actually is going to end up being mostly basketball when this thing comes down I'm guessing, the Jones payment allegation is the major one, Turf Face's romantic getaway with his lover Nevin is probably as big as it will get proven in regards to football) and I think UM can win a rematch with FSU even if they don't try to completely hand over the game again if D'No will ratchet up the press man CB play.

BigWindyCane1


Something to consider:

If the Canes beat UVA and Duke loses to Ga. Tech...

...the result of the UM/Duke game is irrelevant. UM goes to the ACC title game as it holds tiebreakers over Ga. Tech and Virginia Tech.

BEAT UVA!

Posted by: LB | November 04, 2012 at 01:25 PM

Great point. I would still like to see the Canes finish strong and win games they are supposed to win to finish the season strong and dominate the Coastal Division. This also sends a message to current Canes players, potential recruits and fans that Golden is building something special.

Although I am happy with the first ever Coastal Division championship, I would hate to see the Canes stumble and look mediocre as they finish the season.

WWIN

To be honest we can't compare our case to psu or osu

Osu had 3-5 players involved to our 70+

Psu was not a NCAA case really, but they stuck their ¢2 in it and did something that they NEVER did before. Psu broke federal laws not NCAA laws.

Also remember that OUTSIDE people HATE us, and players and coaches have talked

j.w.

Agree, 100% OGV.

WWIN

OGV, are you 100% sure about this??????

You don't get to count the ACCCG and the bowl as a two different postseason bans guys.

orange 'n green in the vein

Willie, OSU involved that many active players, comparable to UM's number of active players. Many more sucknuts were implicated with the drug traffickers tat shop and don't forget the fact that Tressel had the smoking gun emails showing he was signing off that there where no violations when he had been informed in fact there were. When you say 2-3 more bowl bans you're saying, "Just less than allowing and condoning child rape to protect your football program to just as much punishment for the same."

TonyCane


C'mon man enough with the WORST case scenarios. If it happens (NOT likely) then it happens but to even think it or to sit around all day just talking about it or even worse wishing for it is just wrong. Be positive it will not cost U anything.

Say it with me: "The glass is large, and it is beautiful, and it is WAY over half full!"

Posted by: 86Cane | November 04, 2012 at 10:31 AM


86, you're right. TrollAlert, no problem. I think whenever a Shapiro-related story comes out that points to a near conclusion I start to worry and think about the worst case scenario. It doesn't help that I was nearly right on the scope of Penn State's punishment. I love this school and program as much as all of you here, don't want to see anything like that happen.

But whether anyone here calls out what punishment may or may not come doesn't really help. And worrying about it doesn't change anything by one iota.

orange 'n green in the vein

When you say, 'bowl ban,' you are really referring to the act of banning a team from postseason competition Willie. You can only self or have imposed on you that restriction once a year since there's only one postseason available to participate in, not multiple ones in a year.

Also, don't discount the fact that the ACC popped the cork on conference expansion/realignment just under a decade ago to make a FSU/UM rematch for a championship decided on the field a yearly possibility and finally being in the position to be able to market that attraction is going to increase the league pressure for UM to hold up its end of the bargain for the good of the other 10 or 12 (depending on if you want to count Pitt/'Cuse already or not) institutions when it comes to TV rights negotiations.

WWIN

OGV,

You might be right, but i don't know. Some schools don't have conference title games so I don't see how it wouldn't count for two bans

laquinton

Compelling story's but nothing is set yet. Play in the championship game if possible but take the bowl ban. It must be taking them alot longer than anybody expected because they either have testimonys from bitter players ir recruits who didn't get in. K.wright, a.debose comes to mind. . No other former player will talk. . And remember shapiro is a ponzi schemer so this is how he made his millions of lying and making himself to be a honest man bit he always had bad intentions. . This reminds me of a case in court where they keep filing for more time because they need solid evidence more than what they have. Play the game take the bowl ban. Another thing we should be worried about is the players on the team we could lose. No way 3 or 4 year bowl bans but 1 or 2 years we lose Juniors and seniors. Golden is a great coach tho always texting players and giving them advice or just saying hello like he does goes along way. Go canes beat Uva and win out

WWIN

And I never heard anyone bring up former players involvement in the osu case????

Old Skool

Yeah with that frum smoked root you could eat yourself under the table.

Boy does that sound obscene

WWIN

Laquinton,

If we play in the acccg we HAVE to play in the bowl game according to the acc. So our choices are; play in both or don't play neither

orange 'n green in the vein

Willie;

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/magazine/05/30/jim.tressel/index.html

HIGH(emphasis added mine)lights included:
Since 2002 at least 28 OSU players are alleged to have traded or sold memorabilia

Ex-Buckeye tells SI he and 'at least 20 others' swapped memorabilia for tattoos

Source tells SI that four Ohio State players traded memorabilia for marijuana

WWIN

OGV,

Thanks, you are right but its still not 70+ players and coaches

orange 'n green in the vein

Willie, he's a ponzi schemer, his whole life revolves around misrepresenting numbers and where money is going to and coming from so how many of those claims are nothing more than little prison tart trying to get some attention other than in the shower so he doesn't have to close his eyes and imagine it's just him and Turf Face holding hands on the beach in happier times?

WWIN

^^^^^^^

I see it the same way you do, I believe if you are a convicted liar and you took millions from innocent people and ruined lives you shouldn't have the right to say anything about anybody and no one should be listening to your stories.

But I don't think outside people and the NCAA see it this way

Ohio_Cane

Well, looks like Mitt Romney won the election. The Redskins are losing

TonyCane


Another thing we should be worried about is the players on the team we could lose. No way 3 or 4 year bowl bans but 1 or 2 years we lose Juniors and seniors. Golden is a great coach tho always texting players and giving them advice or just saying hello like he does goes along way. Go canes beat Uva and win out

Posted by: laquinton | November 04, 2012 at 02:53 PM

Laquinton, here is where playing freshmen and sophmores comes to our advantage. If the core of our team is freshmen and sophmores - and roster wise we are top-heavy with 1st and 2nd year players - the effect of transfers by juniors and seniors will be minimal.

laquinton

Willie is there a link to that ? I mean the acc saying we have to give up both not one mainly being the conference game. Eff the bowl game. Last year they got bigger and stronger and more time to practice before break. That's some bull

AlpharettaCane

Posted by: 86Cane | November 03, 2012 at 09:40 PM


Soup, re your above post on Morris:

1. Yup!
2. Couldn't agree more!
3. Check!

BigWindyCane1


Willie;

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/magazine/05/30/jim.tressel/index.html

HIGH(emphasis added mine)lights included:
Since 2002 at least 28 OSU players are alleged to have traded or sold memorabilia

Ex-Buckeye tells SI he and 'at least 20 others' swapped memorabilia for tattoos

Source tells SI that four Ohio State players traded memorabilia for marijuana

Posted by: orange 'n green in the vein | November 04, 2012 at 03:01 PM

That is my point. And when you add the fact that Sweater Vest knew and covered up the infractions, that is totally different than our situation. Shannon banned the lying, ponzi schemer from the program, and Hurtt (if he ignored his former boss) was insubordinate and should be sanctioned, especially when he ends up with Teddy Bridgewater.

If past Canes players DID violate the rules, then you simply forfeit past victories during those past seasons. Couple that with a bowl ban, then I think any additional penalties imposed on these current Canes (who already sufferred through one bowl ban) are unfair and unwarranted.

Golden should just keep his team focused, don't allow this bowl-ban talk to become a distraction, stay focused, win-out, close the season strong, attract new recruits, build fan support and show his players how to hold their chin up and become winners on the football field.

Jack

Bigwindycane1 -

Great info, thank you!

Let's Go Canes!!

CGNC

nothing more than little prison tart trying to get some attention other than in the shower so he doesn't have to close his eyes and imagine it's just him and Turf Face holding hands on the beach in happier times?

Posted by: orange 'n green in the vein | November 04, 2012 at 03:12 PM

LMAO!!!!!!!

Old Skool

Interesting tidbit ...

In a poll of 180 NFL players, Mark Sanchez was voted the second most over-rated player in the league. He finished behind ... you guessed it... teammate and undie model Timmy Tebow.

WWIN

Laquinton,

Here it is

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/11/04/3081572/acc-rule-could-affect-miami-hurricanes.html

WWIN

Old skool

Bad thing about that poll, they have ray Lewis ranked high on it too

solarcane


Having a chance to play for the ACC Championship without beating a conference team that has a winning conference record gives me confidence Al has some mojo none of us are aware of.
I'm thrilled we are talking about winning the Coastal and it's November and not June.

Having a shot at 8-4 with this defense is remarkable.
I haven't seen one kid quit in a game this year, by the time they are all jrs and seniors we will have seen "the former culture" changed completely.

I sleep a little better at night knowing I had a small hand in irritating Kyle Wright

Teddy Bridgewater is way fun to watch play.

canesteeler

...

mi@mic@ne

Miami also has two of the longest winning streaks in NCAA Division I history. From 2000 to 2003, Miami won 34 consecutive games, tying for sixth all-time
Miami owns the record for the longest home winning streak in NCAA history, winning 58 straight games at the Orange Bowl.
In addition to its own lengthy winning streaks, Miami has snapped four streaks of 20 games or more in its history. The only other school to snap four winning streaks of 20 or more games is Princeton.
NFL Draft records
Most first round selections (single draft): 6, 2004[5]
Most consecutive years with first round draftee: 14, 1995–2008[5]
Most consecutive years having the most first round selections: 4, 2001-2004

1987 Miami Hurricanes- More than 60 players on the combined rosters for the game with FSU went on to play in the NFL.

86Cane

Alph...I am glad that U agree about Morris. CGNC was on to him a long time ago but it took me a while to see the light.

SolarCane...good to see you around. Take care, be safe, stay warm and GO CANES!

solarcane

hey soup,
Great to see the Canes beat VT.
we finished the contract on time in SC ( early) and as they say GOT PAID.
life is good
I'll emaill you soon

86Cane

Solar....roger that!

TonyCane

Solar...that is cracking me up!

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