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November 25, 2012

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86Cane

Ohio...Here U go, 5 questions with PapaCane before the season began:

http://canespace.typepad.com/canespace/2012/08/five-questions-with-canespace-saveumfootball.html

He did predict 7-5 as did Manny.

Terrance Sullivan

Great stuff 86. Thanks for everything. I wonder what was Phillip Dorsett stats for the game and season. I think he is the most underrated player on our team. Go Canes. I wonder when our Spring Game will be.

86Cane

Dorsett, P: 58 catches for 842 yards for a 14.5 avg and 4 TDs.

He averaged 70 yards/game receiving and also had 11 kick returns for 251 yards for a 22.8 yd avg and 15 punt returns for 85 yards for a 5.7 avg.

Terrance Sullivan

Thanks 86.

Jack

Thank you Canespace for good conversation, information and debate during the season! Best site for Miami fans!!!!

Let's go Canes 2013!!!

nemo2002

Lots of great stats. We really ended the season on a high note. The O-team played a great game, especially Morris, James, Sir Duke, Waters, and the O-line as a unit too.

Unfortunately, there is one discordant stat that can't be ignored. Measured by yards allowed, our defense played the 5th worse game in UM history. (Also, Duke scored 45 against us yesterday - the best scoring total this year against another FBS team, except for lowly FIU against whom Duke scored 46).

Interestingly, if my stats are correct, the D-team performance (yards allowed) against Duke was only UM's 3rd worst showing this year.

In other words, this year D'No had THREE of the FIVE worst games in UM history. THREE of the worst FIVE . . . all in the same year. So, was the 2012 season the worst defensive showing ever at UM?

Probably yes!

Hey Al, get the message?

WWIN

Posted by: Terrance Sullivan | November 25, 2012 at 12:33 PM

You are right about Dorsett. He doesn't get enough credit for his blocking, he opened a lot of running lanes this season. Also he's a hard runner, he put some people on their backs that tried to tackle him. If not for some drops he coulda been our best offensive threat. Next year he'll be a beast!!

Terrance Sullivan

Exactly Willie Will.

86Cane

Thank you Canespace for good conversation, information and debate during the season! Best site for Miami fans!!!!

Posted by: Jack | November 25, 2012 at 01:11 PM

There IT is right there.

86Cane

Tom O'Brien OUT at NCST:

http://blogs.newsobserver.com/accnow/obrien-out-at-nc-state

pbcfrcane13

Tom O'Brien out at NC STATE

pbcfrcane13

per cbs sports

pbcfrcane13

Wonder when all the Golden rumors start.....

nemo2002

If UNC was not on NCAA probation this year, would UNC be the ACC Coastal Division champ (rather than UM); and as such would UNC be playing in the ACCCG (instead of GT)?

I just don't understand the ACC tie breaker rules for division champions. Can someone explain them to me, please? Thank you!

PS. Next year, hopefully, tie breaker rules will be irrelevant. If we get some much needed improvement on defense, the U should steamroll its way through the Coastal Division en route to our first ACC championship and a much awaited return to the (so-called) "Orange Bowl" (provided that next year we're not on probation like UNC is this year).


orange 'n green in the vein

But Debbie Yow still has a job?

Offense played well until they ran into ranked teams who shut the run down and the defense shat the bed like they did all year save for USF's third string offense which to D'No's credit, he forced them to play by knocking out the backup.

Completion percentage allowed was still too high and the rushing yard/game surrendered was atrocious. ND is playing for a national title by running the ball and defending the run.

nemo;

A. Two-Team Tie

Head-to-head competition between the two tied teams.
Records of the tied teams within the division.
Head-to-head competition versus the team within the division with the best overall record (divisional). Conference record and proceeding though the division. Multiple ties within the division broken from first to last.
Overall record versus all common non-divisional opponents.
Combined record versus all non-divisional teams.
Record versus common non-divisional teams based on their order of finish (divisional and non-divisional) and proceeding through other common non-divisional teams based on their order of finish within their division.
The tied team with the highest ranking in the Bowl Championship Series Standings following the end of regular season games shall be the divisional representative in the ACC Championship Game.
The representative shall be chosen by a draw.

B. Three (or More) Team Tie
(Once tie has been reduced to two teams, the two-team tiebreaker format is used)

Combined head-to-head record among the tied teams.
Records of the tied teams within the division.
Head-to-head competition versus the team within the division with the best overall (divisional or conference) record, and proceeding through the division. Multiple ties within the division will be broken first to last.
Overall record for non-divisional teams.
Combined record versus all common non-divisional teams.
Record versus common non-divisional with the best overall Conference (divisional and non-divisional record) and proceeding through the other common non-divisional teams based on their order of finish within the division.
The tied team with the highest ranking in the Bowl Championship Series Standings following the conclusion of regular season games shall be the divisional representative in the ACC Championship Game, unless the second of the tied teams is ranked within five-or-fewer places of the highest ranked tied team. In this case, the head-to-head results of the top two ranked tied teams shall determine the representative in the ACC Championship Game.
The representative shall be chosen by a draw.

http://www.theacc.com/sports/m-footbl/fbtiebreaker.html

Have fun with it.

pbcfrcane13

Per Joe Schad Aurburn job will be open by this afternoon

pbcfrcane13

Bruce Feldman just said the same thing.....here we go

86Cane

pbcfr...REPEAT AFTER ME:

Worry is like a rocking chair,
It keeps U busy, but gets U nowhere.

orange 'n green in the vein

nemo, by my best guess, it would be based on BCS standings, unless the two top teams are five or less spots from each other, then it's head to head tie breaker, so guess that UNC and UM with better records than GT would be ranked as the top two BCS ranked schools and if they were within five spots in the BCS of each other UNC would win the head to head tie breaker between the two.

Terrance Sullivan

Nemo negative on UNC being Coastal Champs yes they beat us, but Georgia Tech beat them, and we beat Georgia Tech and all three of us finish 5-3 and it was a 3 way tie. Which by us beating Duke just like Ga. tech beat Duke and Duke beat UNC thats one tiebreaker and we beat Ga. Tech so if we wouldn't have self imposed we would have the rematch with FSU in Charlotte this Saturday. With a shot of playing in the Orange Bowl even with a loss we would of played South Carolina in the Chic Fil A Bowl formerly the Peach Bowl on New Years Eve.

CaneRock

Per Joe Schad Aurburn job will be open by this afternoon

Posted by: pbcfrcane13 | November 25, 2012 at 01:56 PM

Schad also said that O'Brien is out at NCST.

pbcfrcane13

Rumors are James Franklin will be the top choice and probably going to take it...coach from Vandy.

laquinton

I know its been posted but Tom Obrien out at nc state.. I had then being good but they flat out sucked this year

Also Gene Chizik is gone at Auburn. Know this wasnt surprising at all. Getting stomped by Bama and losing that many games smh.

Also rumors about Jon Gruden being contacted by Tennessee. He wants 4 million just for his staffing.. lmao sooo glad we got Golden and not him. He should stick to what he is doing.

I bet Mark Stoops gets either Auburn or Kentucky. And Jimbo either gets Auburn or Tennessee. He doesnt wan t to be at fsu.

Go canes. I said 8-4 that Virginia game was a doozy but the offensive scheme needs tweaking and with DJ8 and SM17 along with the starting offensive line and receivers we should be solid. The Defense tho.. come on D'No put or shut up.

UMike

Keith Bryant just tweeted how much he loves tally Md their campus andrhat he cant wait to play with "my rb tevin spells next year".. Dont lnow who spells is

nemo2002

TSully, based on orange'n green's post of the ACC rule for breaking 3-team ties, it it not so clear the UM would be in the ACCCG rather than UNC.

I note with interest that the official ACC site has UNC on top of the Coastal Division -- with a 5-3 conference W-L record (same as UM) but a 8-4 record overall (compared to 7-5 for UM).

But that does not necessarily mean that UNC would be the Coastal Division champ under ACC rules. (Indeed, for some inexplicable reason, the ACC also lists Clemson on top of the Atlantic Division, even though Clemson and FSU have identical records in conference and overall and FSU beat Clemson during the regular season 49-37).

Also, it is too early to tell which of the two teams (UM or UNC) is now ranked higher in the BCS.

Who knows?

roachcane77

Nice article and great job this season 86!

This site continues to be the "class act" of ALL UM fan sites. Kudos to YOU Soup.

Let's Go Canes, and way to go Canespace!

Terrance Sullivan

Great point nemo.

laquinton

Day what you want. But chizik can coach a d look @ texas 05

Terrance Sullivan

Next goal win the ACC, then ultimate prize is to bring home our 6th national title.

TonyCane

Just to provide some numbers behind the entire recruiting discussion previously, here are Miami's recruiting classes of the last four years compared to our opponents in 2012:

MIAMI HURRICANES
2009: (1)*****,(9)****,(8)***,(1)**
2010: (0)*****,(6)****,(18)***,(4)**
2011: (0)*****,(2)****,(13)***,(2)**
2012: (2)*****,(8)****,(23)***,(0)**

Total 5-Stars: 3
Total 4-Stars: 25
Total 3-Stars: 62
Total 2-Stars: 7


BOSTON COLLEGE (WIN)
2009: (0)*****,(1)****,(6)***,(10)**
2010: (0)*****,(2)****,(14)***,(5)**
2011: (0)*****,(4)****,(9)***,(10)**
2012: (0)*****,(2)****,(8)***,(6)**

Total 5-Stars: 0
Total 4-Stars: 9
Total 3-Stars: 37
Total 2-Stars: 31


KANSAS STATE (LOSS)
2009: (0)*****,(0)****,(12)***,(13)**
2010: (0)*****,(2)****,(12)***,(3)**
2011: (0)*****,(0)****,(20)***,(8)**
2012: (0)*****,(1)****,(14)***,(6)**

Total 5-Stars: 0
Total 4-Stars: 3
Total 3-Stars: 58
Total 2-Stars: 30


GEORGIA TECH (WIN)
2009: (0)*****,(1)****,(17)***,(3)**
2010: (0)*****,(5)****,(11)***,(2)**
2011: (0)*****,(1)****,(18)***,(3)**
2012: (0)*****,(2)****,(13)***,(2)**

Total 5-Stars: 0
Total 4-Stars: 9
Total 3-Stars: 59
Total 2-Stars: 10


NC STATE (WIN)
2009: (0)*****,(1)****,(19)***,(7)**
2010: (1)*****,(4)****,(9)***,(5)**
2011: (0)*****,(1)****,(13)***,(6)**
2012: (0)*****,(0)****,(17)***,(5)**

Total 5-Stars: 0
Total 4-Stars: 6
Total 3-Stars: 58
Total 2-Stars: 23


NOTRE DAME (LOSS)
2009: (1)*****,(9)****,(5)***,(3)**
2010: (0)*****,(10)****,(12)***,(1)**
2011: (2)*****,(8)****,(11)***,(1)**
2012: (1)*****,(8)****,(7)***,(2)**

Total 5 Stars: 4
Total 4 Stars: 35
Total 3 Stars: 35
Total 2 Stars: 7


NORTH CAROLINA (LOSS)
2009: (1)*****,(13)****,(9)***,(5)**
2010: (0)*****,(4)****,(16)***,(1)**
2011: (0)*****,(8)****,(13)***,(3)**
2012: (0)*****,(3)****,(18)***,(2)**

Total 5 Stars: 1
Total 4 Stars: 32
Total 3 Stars: 56
Total 2 Stars: 11


FLORIDA STATE (LOSS)
2009: (2)*****,(10)****,(8)***,(1)**
2010: (2)*****,(8)****,(14)***,(0)**
2011: (2)*****,(13)****,(13)***,(1)**
2012: (3)*****,(9)****,(5)***,(1)**

Total 5 Stars: 9
Total 4 Stars: 40
Total 3 Stars: 40
Total 2 Stars: 3


VIRGINIA TECH (WIN)
2009: (0)*****,(5)****,(14)***,(3)**
2010: (0)*****,(4)****,(14)***,(0)**
2011: (0)*****,(4)****,(14)***,(3)**
2012: (0)*****,(7)****,(19)***,(2)**

5 Stars: 0
4 Stars: 20
3 Stars: 42
2 Stars: 8


VIRGINIA (LOSS)
2009: (0)*****,(5)****,(11)***,(9)**
2010: (0)*****,(1)****,(12)***,(4)**
2011: (0)*****,(5)****,(17)***,(3)**
2012: (0)*****,(4)****,(16)***,(6)**

5 Stars: 0
4 Stars: 15
3 Stars: 56
2 Stars: 22


SOUTH FLORIDA (WIN)
2009: (0)*****,(5)****,(17)***,(6)**
2010: (0)*****,(2)****,(12)***,(5)**
2011: (0)*****,(1)****,(15)***,(4)**
2012: (0)*****,(2)****,(16)***,(2)**

5 Stars: 0
4 Stars: 10
3 Stars: 60
2 Stars: 17


DUKE (WIN)
2009: (0)*****,(2)****,(13)***,(12)**
2010: (0)*****,(0)****,(10)***,(10)**
2011: (0)*****,(0)****,(11)***,(9)**
2012: (0)*****,(1)****,(10)***,(9)**

5 Stars: 0
4 Stars: 3
3 Stars: 44
2 Stars: 40

Hassan

The impact of Butch Davis leaving UNC will be felt soon if they do not get a great recruiter in there. I am doubtful they will get lucky enough to keep finding difference makers like Gio Bernard without butch there. Their talent will deplete soon.

pbcfrcane13

Love coaching rumors lol James Franklin not being looked at for NC state job.

Terrance Sullivan

Great point Hassan

orange 'n green in the vein

nemo, actually Terrance pointed out something I think I glossed over and got wrong originally, if you read this tie breaker;

Head-to-head competition versus the team within the division with the best overall (divisional or conference) record, and proceeding through the division. Multiple ties within the division will be broken first to last;

as who played the best against the best teams in the conference proceeding through the final division standings, GT lost to VT, UM beat VT, UNC beat VT who finished fourth in the division. So that would eliminate GT and then UNC wins the head to head tie breaker for a two team tie, so it's still UNC?

Anyway, who cares, it's irrelevant now, moving on to recruiting and laughable Golden to _______ rumors. If he does bolt, first of all, he better take his college roommate with him, can't move on without your binky after all, and then I'm throwing this name out there right now;

Jedd Fisch.

WWIN

OGV,

You better be kidding me. Lol

Fisch resume > Golden resume ????

CaneRock

The Dolphins beat the Seahawks!

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
In my Sir Mix A Lot voice, with the My Posse On Broadway cadence.

mi@mic@ne

Just got home from vacation... Jed Fisch is my most valuable coach this year...what a display of passing and running! Kudos to James for the long run down the side lines...he deserves it.

Which d is worse Dukes our no Ds?

Duke did not only beat Duke but he beat our d as well...having to score after we let them score. lol That was flat out embarrassing.

CaneRock

hurricanesports #CanesVB qualifies for the NCAA Tournament for the fourth straight season - travels to Gainesville to play College of Charleston Friday.
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Hassan

Why was Tom O Brien fired? 7-5 and a bowl game is pretty good for NC State. Come on it is not like you are going to be a 10 win program there. They beat the #3 team in the country and are going to a bowl. For perspective 7-5 is the same record as preseason #1 USC who has the entire state of california to themselves, the US #2 market all to themselves for football and a huge budget for coaches etc. They got the same record and the same as Miami with all of our issues. In a couple of years when they are 4-8 I suspect NC State will be longing for the days of a O Brien and the bowl game every year and occasional big upset.

WWIN

Tony,

I think you are getting to caught up in opinions of recruiting sites. There is no difference in recruiting and pre season team rankings. Usc was ranked #1 in the pre season, how did that work out?? Just because a recruiter goes to a game and labels one player a 5* and another player a 3* doesn't make it TRUE. A lot of high school players are not playing in a system that they can shine in. For example, you could be a good wr playing in a running option system wit few passing plays, so he gets a 3* label.

I repeat, stars are only opinions

STARS = OPINIONS

Hassan

Football Speed> track speed.

Two Words Herb Waters, kid is a smooth long strider who builds momentum like a Leonard Hankerson, he reminds me of him a lot actually. huge hands and route running style. Herb says he is a 4.6 guy trying to get down to 4.4 but these two long passes he caught he sure looks like a 4.4 ish guy to me.

TonyCane

Perhaps NC State is going to make a play for Bill Belichek!

TonyCane

Hi Willie,

I agree to an extent. Although we have to consider that recruiting sites are increasingly more sophisticated (or at least I assume that this is the case) and that the assessments skew closer to reality.

USC is an outlier. They recruit very well but underperform year after year. They also have depth issues due to sanctions. Put Lane Kiffin at Miami and let's see if he equals Al Golden's 7-5 record.

trianglecane

I believe that TOB firing had more to do with the AD, than under performing. Word is TOB had a hard time adjusting to the south. He offended a lot of people and was on thin ice. Just one man's opinion.

Hassan


USC as a school is not an outlier. They are a storied program with a lot of titles and not underperforming. The Coach on the other hand is a different story. They was #1 ranked heading into the season and have a lot of talent on the roster, they ended up with the same 7-5 record as us even though their schedule was easier. Basically their coach sucks and O'Brien is fired but the Kiffin's remain. The guy has never won anywhere but he keeps a job? I am guessing the collection of porn he has featuring university presidents is extensive.

Terrance Sullivan

Hassan you are on fire bro.

Sarasota 'cane

The Auburn job comes with a lot of money but not much else in the near future. They are on the 2 year violation clock and will be subject to the new penalty system once their case is adjudicated.
I would have made Chizek stay until the team receives its probation and I would have started to self-impose schollies right away as well.
If Golden says he's not going to take another job I believe him, but if TENN offered him 3.5 million or more I would certainly understand.
We should know this week whether Al is going to stay or go.

Go 'canes!
Go Dolphins!!

j.w.

Strong post Hassan. Kiffin is living a charmed life if you examine his resume

orange 'n green in the vein

Posted by: trianglecane | November 25, 2012 at 04:53 PM

Do you have any specific examples of O'Brien not 'fitting' in? Not saying you're wrong, just hadn't really heard this angle given any play yet and curious about it. I was chalking this up to the single win on the road in conference play he had racked up in 6 years combined with this year being the one they were going to make a move only to fail to do so. I know the Russell Wilson decision couldn't have done him any favors with the fans either.

mi@mic@ne

In my opinion i think Tennessee needs to find them a coach with a southern draw.. Golden is too much of a city boy. A situation like the Turds have now..lol

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