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March 05, 2013

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laquinton

Firstyayy

laquinton

Great post 86 ! You ever considered a where are they now writeup

Terrance Sullivan

Have a great time 86 at the baseball/basketball double header tonight on Campus and root our Canes on to victory. M-I-A-M-l fight, fight, fight!

Hurricane Warrior

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SOUP

LQ...Congrats on the FIRST!

And, yes, I have though of a "where are they now" feature but have not had the time.

OGV...Panthers vs Jets tonight in FLL. I'm there with flair!

Tomorrow night a RARE UM baseball (6 PM) and basketball (9 PM) double header. I'll be there to see Miami win their first ACC championship in basketball just like I was there in Jax in 2008 to see the UM baseball team win their first ACC title.

86Cane

Tickets are on sale now for the 2013 University of Miami Sports Hall of Fame Banquet, which will be held April 11 at Jungle Island. Doors open for cocktails at 6 p.m., followed by dinner at 7 p.m.

Individual tickets are $100 each, tables of 10 are available for $1,000 each and a super table of 10 is available for $1,500. To purchase tickets, you can order online at www.UMsportshalloffame.com or by phone at 305-284-2775.

CoCane

The article on the last blog about a conspiracy of college making players slower in their transition from high school is backwards. The real conspiracy is that the players aren't as fast as reported in high school. They're not timed electronically. They're timed with human stop watches.

Example: Aldarius Johnson was listed as running a 4.5 forty at Northwestern. When I saw him play, it was blatantly obvious he wasn't that fast. Tommy Streeter was listed as running a 4.6 forty. After seeing him, he was obviously faster than Johnson. This is why Johnson was a 5* & Streeter was a 4*. Johnson was supposed to be the big target that could make plays all over the field & stretch the defense with size & speed. Streeter was supposed to be the slower, tall, possession target. When they got to the "U", the truth was revealed. Johnson ran a 4.7 as a frosh, while Streeter ran a 4.5 forty. You could see it when they were in high school. Streeter was always catching bombs & running away from people but Johnson was catching underneath passes & lumber for yards after the catch. Johnson never developed into the big play threat because he was too slow. Streeter became the one that stretched the field & if not for a silly early jump to the NFL. He could've stayed one more year & developed into a sure 1st round pick. Look at the WR's projected to go in the 1st round in the draft. Streeter would've had all of the stats & measurables at 6'5 220, running a 4.4 forty...

Bottom line: It's the high school level releasing bogus forty times that's making players seeming to get slower in college. Truth is, they were not that fast to begin with. When I see local players in college, I can see that they're faster than they were in high school. More proof that college coaches for the most part are basing their evaluations off of the recruiting sites instead of their own eye tests.

Chuch

The Dude

Posted by: CoCane | March 05, 2013 at 05:00 PM

Not just bogus 40 times, but bogus height and weight numbers also. I've never really understood why? Like their size and speed wont be looked at by every college and pro team? All it does is hurt you in the end.

86Cane

Coke and The Dude...totally agree 100%.

5shipsago

It goes on in every major sport. Basketball players are generally listed taller than they actually are.

CaneRock

Coke, I agree with you on AJ, He was naturally slower than Streeter. But I thinK AJ would've been a better WR if He put the work in, He had some MITTS! for hands. Heck, even His Mom said He only started to put the work in because it was Sr. season, and He was trying to get to the NFL.

Same thing with Ryan Moore...I actually thought He was the best looking WR at the NFL combines some years ago. But He couldn't stay out of trouble at UM.

WWIN

Coke,

Remember when I told you recruiting services evaluations suck????

WWIN

^^^^^^^
And y'all told me recruiting services are better now. Like I said then, F recruiting services

Jack

Perryman and EJ were 3 stars! These are the best two young LB at Miami since jon beason. Stars are for selling recruiting web sites..

orange 'n green in the vein

/\/\/\

CMac.

CoCane

Willie,

It'll never be an exact science but the recruiting sites have gotten better. The problem is:

You never know who's hit their physical peak or who just scratched the surface. Who's lazy & who has a strong work ethic. Who's a good kid & who's fukked up in the head. Who's durable & who's injury prone. Who's being developed properly & who's getting coached by an incompetent staff.

These issues will make or break a recruits productivity. I call it the "recipe".

I think for the most part the recruiting sites are fairly accurate. As far as the talent level goes for the recruits at that time in their career. Unfortunately, the "recipe" is so unpredictable.

If a kid has the size, athleticism, work ethic, right attitude, durability & is developed properly by his coaches. He will be everything he's predicted to be. Like Adrian Peterson. If not, he'll be a bust. Like Kyle Wright. Ijs...

VA Cane

Coke,Dude and CR right on. You guys know the deal for sure. AJ never put the work in; average speed does guarantee failure!!!I think of Howard Twilley, Wes Welker, Chris Carter....and my boy Fred Biletnikoff not burners but were pretty darn good players.

Ah Ryan Moore had 1 unreal play against UVA up here.....and could not keep away from trouble if you kidnapped him!!!!

CoCane

VA Cane,

Then you have the very rare player that has the instincts to overcome bad coaching. VERY RARE

VA Cane

Right on CoCane. I have had kids come out and I was sure they were going to make the big time...but injuries, attitude,drink, drugs,family, so called friends, fear, guns,grades, girls or just reaching ones ceiling....name it and it will get in the way. My good friend Morgan Moses who played for me now at UVA has all the tools to maker the big league....I think the only area of concern for me is aggression. I used to tell him if you played as hateful as I did, and I had your size, we would both be millionaires!!!!!

You never know what can get in the way....and it does not take much.

CoCane

I have this feeling that Corn Elder & Derrick Griffin are going to end up persuing basketball for us. I could be wrong but it's just a hunch...

VA Cane

Good point as well my friend. I have seen some really good guys on other teams I would love to be able to steal away....they got it all but the coaching is all wrong. I see guys berate kids now for many things.....and it kills kids. Some say they are not tough...I disagree. Kids now relate better to each other, especially between races. They have feelings, they care about things more. When I came along in the 70s, you surpressed everything, kept it in.When I was playing there were not tattoos, long hair, dreads, playing music etc. It is all different now. I have figured out to let my kids be who they are, I dont flip about cell phones, hair etc....I have to accept that it is different now. All I ask is respect to me....and from me to them. That makes my coaching so much easier, they accept me and love playing for me. I also try to keep on top of new trends, ideas....we run a pro set, but I have some spread...and I have used the read option stuff for several years...we called it the belly series.

A coach not knowing the game can hurt a kid Co, a coach not knowing life and rolling with the changes can also hurt a kid...great point my friend.

VA Cane

I learn something on here from you all every day, sometimes I read and keep my mouth shut. Not just about football, but the many many aspects of life. I am in a better place today than I was in late Nov....thanks to all of you great people...lifes still tough, but you all make it easier. Thanks for forgiving me for my ignorance and stupidity, accepting me as family and teaching me good habits and concepts...I am blessed to have all of you as friends and family.

From The Heart.....Country Azz

CoCane

Aww man VA. Growing up around all of this talent in Broward county. I can tell you endless stories about guys that were more talented than the ones that made it to the pros but didn't make it.

There's one kid that grew up in the area of Lauderdale we call North Fork that I just moved from a few months ago. It's just west of downtown. In these projects called "the greens", right behind the liquor store that was in Reveng Of The Nerds part 2. He's 18 or 19 now & ain't doing nothing but drugs, (using & selling), robbing, high school drop out, etc. At 15 years old he was 6 feet, cat quick, running at least a 4.6 & could throw a football 50 yards with accuracy. He'd play against the kids that were stars for Stranahan, St. Thomas, Dillard & University School that lived in the neighborhood. No one could stop him at QB or WR. A few of them have went on to play major college football & they always talk about how he was the best of them & how he would kill college football right now. Smh. I couldn't convince him to go to school for shyt. He's not even a high school football legend. It's a shame...

CoCane

It's all good homie

VA Cane

Same here Co, I had a kid that played for me 1 year as a LB/RB....unreal. Tall lean but strong...God he would read that QB, look at those backs and nail people to the wall. His penchant for interceptions was unreal....he just showed up and picked it. As a back he was unstoppable...and when not toting the rock....wow would he blast you as a blocker. Hell he could qb, chuck it deep, short...wow!!!

Got caught up with the girls, not studying....stole his parents car got caught at 2 in the morning as a frosh in HS....guess who he called? I went. He got to where he was hitting his mother...she told me once she asked him to clean his room and he threw a coffeee mug at her...he played as a SR...did pretty good as a QB...lit the RB from Hermitage up big time....now just drifting. I guess we all know these kids....and it is a real shame my man....thanks for being cool my man....

Montreal-Cane

Ryan Kelly looks just like a regular player tonight vs VT. He cannot be superman every day.

CoCane

Montreal-Cane,

The only way Duke would beat us in a rematch is if the team or 1 of their players go nuts from 3 point range. if they shoot their regular, we'll win. Convincingly...

CaneRock

Willie,

It'll never be an exact science but the recruiting sites have gotten better. The problem is:

You never know who's hit their physical peak or who just scratched the surface. Who's lazy & who has a strong work ethic. Who's a good kid & who's fukked up in the head. Who's durable & who's injury prone. Who's being developed properly & who's getting coached by an incompetent staff.

These issues will make or break a recruits productivity. I call it the "recipe".

I think for the most part the recruiting sites are fairly accurate. As far as the talent level goes for the recruits at that time in their career. Unfortunately, the "recipe" is so unpredictable.

If a kid has the size, athleticism, work ethic, right attitude, durability & is developed properly by his coaches. He will be everything he's predicted to be. Like Adrian Peterson. If not, he'll be a bust. Like Kyle Wright. Ijs...

Posted by: CoCane | March 05, 2013 at 07:55 PM

This is the best post I've seen on this whole "stars" business.

CoCane

Another thing. As big as Reggie Johnson is, it looks like the team has outgrown him. I hope he gets it together. If the old Reggie comes back, we'll definitely make it to the final four. Maybe win it all. It's REALLY hard to beat us when all of our parts are clicking...

CoCane

Respect Canerock

TonyCane

Where did A Johnson end up? Did he get to CFL?

TJL

flipping burgers

TJL

1After seeing how things turned out, it’s clear Miller, Streeter, Washington, Forston and Johnson either really disliked new Hurricanes head coach Al Golden, received some poor advice along the way (cough, agents and their runners, cough) or a combination of both.

Regardless, the joke isn’t on the "U." It’s on those who hurt themselves by leaving prematurely.

TJL

but he did make a nice workout video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ltq_fuKPyw

JCane

For those still following hoops and a very very good and now #6 Canes team, #2 IU is now on the verge of going down to the Buckeyes, down by 8 with 2 and a half min. left in the game. Another loss and it is possible the Hoosiers start to lose a bit of the respect that has kept them up in the rankings despite many recent losses. This would be their 5th loss, and make them more like another top 12 team vs. a top 3 squad automatically in spite of another loss. That being said, 2:30 is a lot of time in hoops.

Montreal-Cane

Posted by: CoCane | March 05, 2013 at 09:28 PM

Agree.

Indiana will lose to Oshito State...60 sec. left

Montreal-Cane

Regardless, the joke isn’t on the "U." It’s on those who hurt themselves by leaving prematurely.

Posted by: TJL | March 05, 2013 at 10:42 PM

Yes sir!

SOUP

From The Heart.....Country Azz

Posted by: VA Cane | March 05, 2013 at 08:14 PM

And this is why Canespace is THE place.

SOUP

Buckeyes pull off the upset! No. 14 Ohio St beats No. 2 Indiana, 67-58 - 1st loss of season vs ranked team for Hoosiers (6-1). #OHIOSTvsIU

The Dude

Posted by: SOUP | March 05, 2013 at 11:33 PM

That's what I keep saying!

WWIN

Posted by: CoCane | March 05, 2013 at 07:55 PM

So in other words don't pay attention to recruiting sites like I was saying right? Lol

Its all about COACH EVALUATIONS!!!

Hassan


Bottom line: It's the high school level releasing bogus forty times that's making players seeming to get slower in college. Truth is, they were not that fast to begin with. When I see local players in college, I can see that they're faster than they were in high school. More proof that college coaches for the most part are basing their evaluations off of the recruiting sites instead of their own eye tests.

Chuch

Posted by: CoCane | March 05, 2013 at 05:00 PM
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CoCane you are right and you are wrong at the same time.

Let me explain with A Johnson his speed numbers were not fudged, He got out of shape added 20 lbs his freshman year at the U. Also if you are 4.4 guy you do not run a 4.4 every single time you go out and race. Johnson Ran a 4.45 at his Pro Day, proiving he has wheels and was not a 4.7 guy.
http://www.procanes.com/files/93200e8b771e8910f0647551b5794a59-11310.html

Aladarius was rated higher then Streeter because his skil set was higher not because of his athletic ability. The man set Dade County records, that did not happen by accident. Some guys devolop later then others, it took years for Streeter to begin to develop beyond just a tall fast guy which he is still trying to develop, Aldarius was a WR who knew how to play the position. Despite how their careers ended up.

Now the part you are correct on is something that goes without saying, we all know that H.S> fudge numbers abnd colleges do as well. Part of it is laziness, part of it is that the coaches are not trained well in how to measure 40 times and measure players the way the NFL does, which is not as straight forward as one would think for just simple measurements the NFL has their own way of doing it. Mostly coaches are these days fudging numbers to help their players get recruited, bring notoriety to their program and to also offer a competitive disadvantage, And I can understand those things.

The article about 40 times really was not detailed enough and there is no conspiracy and the examples given were not very good. Usain Bolt does not run a 9.58 every time he runs a 100. It is all about PR'ing, Streeter ran a 4.40 at the NFL combine but does that mean his top speed is 4.40? No his PR is 4.30 but of course we do not run our best times everytime out, comparing only 2 40 times from years apart does not mean a guy got slower, it only means a guy was recorded slower those two races, both of which is not very accurate methods of recording.

RBLCane

Love the debate that's been goin on on this blog. Very educational.

As far as recruiting sites go, they don't matter as everyone else says, except that they do. There's a strong correlation between recruiting success as defined by the sites and team competetiveness. It's not a perfect correlation, but it's definitely there. I'd say that at the macro level of evaluating team signing class strength, the recruiting sites are pretty accurate at predicting who's going to have a competetive team. They're not necessarily going to predict who will win the national championship, but they'll tell you who's going to be in the mix.

Now as far as individual talent evaluation goes, there's a lot more room for error given all of the reasons you guys have listed and unknown factors. Here, the recruiting sites and everyone else for that matter fail pretty miserably, pretty often. Talent evaluation is an art and can't be quantified precisely, not here nor at the pro level of any sport. Despite this, the sites are right most of time. Hence why they're better at predicting team success since each signing class serves as a pool of predictions diversifying their risk of error and hence making their team predictions more accurate.

VA Cane

Canespace is always the place.


Never thought much of Forston all talk about TEAM pride etc....like a big fat blustry walrus. Never was in good shape, slow feet easy to block played way to high.....he wanted to be J Brown R Maryland W Sapp......was just a loudmouth who never showed up when the going got tough. That NW pipeline never panned out did it? Randys big coup never really did much for us. Spence was a good guy and played hard. Streeter never got on the field...B Wash was unflexible not a team player too heavy Forston not so good.

Now OGV will point out that J12 is second leading passer in team history...good numbers. He was a nice guy, but really Do you want him to QB your team? No I do not. Give me Dorsey, Bernie, Gino, Walsh, Kelly, Erickson, Vinnie......If J12 had been QB on any of our great teams, we do not win titles. It is easier to win in HS...too easy. College much different.....and I like J12 as a guy....but nobody in the league even thought about drafting him he is not even close to being that kind of QB...too weak to even hold a clipboard

RBLCane

My follow-up comment was eaten up!

Clwtrdan

Get your Canes fix here. Corey King 40 reps at 225! Coach Swasey in the house....
http://acc.xofan.com/Miami/audio-the-beast-interviews-miamis-strength-and-conditioning-coach-andreu-swasey-3-5-13/

Ohio_Cane

@ByCasagrande: There will be 20 players at Miami Hurricanes pro day Thursday including Ray Ray Armstrong and Jacory Harris.

UMike

Did Harris have his pro day last year? Maybe he is helping? lol

UMike

From Canesinsight..

**DAY 3 UPDATE**
DAY 3 Standouts: Kirby, Porter, and Jenkins, D'Mauri Jones, and Jontavious Carter,
- This is the first full pads practice for the canes. Things get real now.
- Procane Jimmy Graham is in attendence
- Columbus and Braddock HS Coaches are in attendance
-Brennan Caroll says the move to coaching WR's is an easy transition stating "I've always worked with the passing game ever since I started this coaching career. Carroll also mentions Elder as an ATH. Saying he can play WR,RB, or DB He also says that Sandland has a great skill set just has to learn the playbook. States that Dobbard is at a size where he could play now and that he's "gritty"
- Rashawn Scott says that Carroll get's on them harder than McDonald did. Say's there no time to slack off. He's up to 210.
- Reports mention that Stephen Morris has been getting in sync with his wide receivers and that the timing is there.
- Curtis Porter believes this season the DL will get after the QB. Porter now benches 405 and does 33 reps of 225 currently. Wants to be the leader of the defense.
- Dillard says he ran a 4.4 in high school and now with the weight loss says he feels quicker. Believes he currently runs a 4.4
- Golden says Jelani Hamilton has really stepped it up this spring.
- Kirby on Alex Figueroa "He's plays with a lot of intensity, he's fast and he likes to HIT"

trianglecane

List of Pro Day Attendee's

P Dalton Botts
LB Ramon Buchanan
RB Mike James
WR Davon Johnson
OL Ben Jones
OL Jeremy Lewis
CB Brandon McGee
DL Darius Smith
DB Andrew Swasey
S Vaughn Telemaque
WR Kendal Thompkins
K Jake Wieclaw
S Ray-Ray Armstrong
WR Ben Bruneau
WR Thearon Collier
RB Graig Cooper
QB Jacory Harris
LS Chris Ivory
DL Marcus Robinson
OL Andrew Smith

Link:

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/um-hurricanes/sfl-rayray-armstrong-jacory-harris-among-at-um-pro-day-20130306,0,4336850.story

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