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June 08, 2013

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Hassan

1st

Hassan


If you ain't 1st your last.

NativeCane

DANG HASSAN, if not for U I coulda been somebody! Lol

Go Canes!!!

Hassan

About the article, good stuff. Here are a few things to consider. These sites have a limited amount of people that evaluate the players, not all the evaluations are done at the same time. A 15-17 year old kid can grow 2-3 inches and put on weight and get a lot better in just 1 summer, hence why measurements etc are often all over the place. So if Rivals eval on Brad Kaaya is updated right after the spring session but Scout has not seen him since last fall then of course there will be a big difference in their evals. This happens often and when you see updated evals you see the recruiting services start to narrow the gap in the differences in their evaluation, not to mention the fact they read the other services eval's and get to scout for those things.


There are many logical reasons why eval's very, you have some kids who are "practice players" and some who are "gamers" some are consistant. If anyone went out to Greentree and watched Kendall Thompkins one would think he was a 5 star kid, but come watch a game and you might leave with a different impression. So yesterday Kaaya takes a burner in the shoulder, today Rivals comes out to scout him and his arm strength is not there, they do not know about yesterdays injury as Kaaya shows leadership and toughness and does not complain. He throws but he is not able to get much on it, Rivals does a write up and says he is a good qb but he lacks arm strength. Two weeks later 247sports shows up and Kaaya is healed up and is throwing Darts all the way to the opposite hash mark, the ball is leaving his hands like a rocket on a rope. 247sports writes up that he has elite arm strength. These things happen, and some kids have big names they get evaled a lot go to multiple camps and play in big markets where they are seen a lot, this helps to get a better picture of his talents, but some kids play in small towns maybe are checked out a couple of times only or maybe only their highlight tape is looked at and none of their weaknesses are exposed. The whole eval system is flawed but when you understand how it is done then you can see how the differences arise. The same thing happens at the pro level and year after year the teams who do thier homework the best find gems in the draft.

nemo2002

I could have been a contender.

Sinistercane

4th

Hassan

I broke down an analysis on this, Ohio check the spam folder please. I do not feel like re writing it.

SOUP

Hassy...I found it trapped in the spam bank and freed it. It is posted above.

SOUP

Hassy...I agree the system is flawed beyond fixing. U know our mutual "friend" always argues that half of these players are evaluated by film highlight tapes ONLY and some are almost never seen in person or watched for an entire game to determine their overall game and strengths and weaknesses.

Hassan


Thanks for fixing my comment. Our Friend is right, he knows the game. Matter of fact he is DIRECTLY involved in it now. But the good programs do their diligence, Miami does not have the private jets of a Bama buyt they also do not have to drive more then 45 minutes to find the best talent in america. Even Kehoe driving to Tampa/Orlando can visit 3-4 HS's and be back for dinner.

Hassan

Soup reach out to the Source and get a Camp update. today's camp should be a good one.

Hassan

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/um-hurricanes/miami-hurricanes-blog/sfl-no-miami-players-taken-in-first-10-rounds-of-mlb-draft-20130607,0,3536569.story

Hassan


http://www.philsteele.com/Blogs/2013/JUN13/DBJune08.html

Hassan

Alin is at the camp today

TonyCane

Alabama only has private jets? I thought that they also employed teleportation technology for recruiting visits.

TJL

Hows the weather for camp? it won't stop raining in Palm beach county-had to drain the pool twice this week

SOUP

Soup reach out to the Source and get a Camp update. today's camp should be a good one.

Posted by: Hassan | June 08, 2013 at 10:58 AM

Will do this PM.

CGNC and OGV have had him talking about hockey lately. CGNC tried to convert him to be a Pens fan. U see how that went! LOL

SOUP

TJL...they said the weather was fine this AM in Coral Gables.

SOUP

TJL...click here, only in the 561:

http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/baynews9/weather/klystron-9-radar.map.html/SouthFlorida.html

TJL

damn cursed up here!

SOUP

On June 11, 1985, Ron Fraser's Hurricanes captured their second national championship in three seasons by knocking off the favored Texas Longhorns (and some chap named Greg Swindell) at Rosenblatt Stadium in Omaha.

The Hurricanes didn't have a single player from that team to make it to the Major Leagues -- unless you count mascot John Routh and announcer Jay Rokeach. They both made it to the show with the Marlins in 1993.

Greg Ellena was the MVP of that tournament, a fitting choice for the team he represented. Fraser dubbed those Canes 'The Happiest Team in America.''

"They were an unselfish team,'' said WQAM's Joe Zagacki on Friday. "You talk about chemistry and they had it. They believed in each other and were inseparable. I don't think I've ever seen anything like it. Right in this ballpark (Gainesville) on a Friday; they got a little rambunctious and coach Fraser brought them out here early Saturday morning and ran them all morning.

They were all puking. They went to get on the bus and were told they were walking back. Fraser said he didn't care if they won or lost that night. It was a lesson learned. And they won that night.''

Read more here: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/umiami/2010/06/happy-25th-anniversary-1985-miami-hurricanes.html#storylink=cpy

Hassan

ALin won the QB MVP and Brewton won the DB MVP. Valentine dominated from DT position

Terrance Sullivan

Our Canes were robbed in 1988 also. That BS fumble the refs called against Cleveland Gary when we played Notre Lame in South Bend still pisses me off. 83 days till Gameday. Let's Go Canes.

orange 'n green in the vein

Hassan brings up very good points with the evaluation failures inherent in the ranking systems. Phil Steele gets it right in my mind on this, to begin with, he's too busy trying to make money gambling on football games to be bothered with sniffing some high school'ers jock or even a JC players for that matter. So what's he do? He takes all three of these services, combines them with a few other sources, Superprep, Tom Lemming (total ND homer), G&W Recruiting Report (never heard of the them), Parade, JC Football (Junior College, not Teblow's theory of the history of the earth on the football field), Prepstar and Ridley Scouting, then aggregates each prospects ranking and bases his rankings on that. If one service has a wildly different opinion either way than all the others, the aggregation of their ranking helps smooth out that giant difference amongst them. Even then, that is only useful in helping predict how likely a player is able to step in and contribute at a high level of play on the field as an underclassmen to a certain extent and ultimately, it's what a guy does on the field, not in high school that anybody cares about.

Canester-Nip

Itu blog sayin Georgia lb Juwan Young committed to Miami 2day? If so that is 1 helluva pick up!

Hassan

Young is built like a brick shit house and can get after the QB

Hassan

The Bat Signal went up twice then one was deleted.

Young dominated camp today

Canesteeler

This ass clown Shapiro just keeps going on and on and on and on! SI has a story coming out on the NCAA investigation. The U just received a commitment from a 4 star LB out of GA.

Canesteeler

Hassan very good article.

Hassan

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/sports-buzz/2013/06/sports-illustrated-preparing-umncaa-expose-shapiro-makes-another-allegation.html#

SOUP

Darrin Smith was 2 years old and sick at home that April day of 1972 when his father, Rudolph, a mechanic, was murdered while volunteering at a Liberty City community festival — a fundraiser, ironically, to help police fight street crime.

Smith’s four older siblings were there and ran from the gunman as their father was shot in the back of the head by a man who got angry that Rudolph Smith asked him to move his car from a no parking zone.

Although Smith didn’t witness the crime, and has no memory of his father, it had a profound effect on him. He became jealous of boys who had their fathers around, and by age 8, he was, in his words, “becoming a very angry little boy.’’

That angry boy — with the help of his mother and two special mentors — wound up winning two national football championships at the University of Miami (’89 and ’91) and two Super Bowls with the Dallas Cowboys (’94 and ’96). But more important in his estimation, he is a philanthropist, a dedicated husband and father of twins. He leads a men’s ministry at his church. And, by the time he was drafted by the NFL, he had earned a master’s degree in business administration.

“Rings can be taken away, but nobody can take your education away,’’ said Smith, who lives in Pembroke Pines and runs a real estate investment company.

On Wednesday, Smith will be honored with the Robert F. Kennedy Children’s Action Corps Embracing the Legacy Award for his advocacy work on behalf of youth. The award ceremony is at the JFK Presidential Library and Museum in Boston.

Hassan

Joe Garcia ‏@JGJr9 7m Last 2 commits have people tweeting me about a move to the 3-4. Guess running it a ton in the 2nd half of last year wasn't a big enough hint

CoCane

I hope the Juwon commit is official. He's one of the out of state targets I really hoped we would get.

www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000117339359

I said he would win....s/o to ME for being right Alin Eduard here we go...s/o to the doubters..

RCCF 12%.. thnx for the update and made my day

www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000117339359

I feel like I should win something....

RCCF..

SOUP

University of Miami head baseball coach Jim Morris has rejoined the team after battling a case of pneumonia onset during the team’s trip to Durham, N.C., for the 2013 ACC Championship.

SOUP

I said he would win....s/o to ME for being right Alin Eduard here we go...s/o to the doubters. RCCF 12%...thnx for the update and made my day

Posted by: www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000117339359 | June 08, 2013 at 05:21 PM

Alin for Heisman!!! LOL

#TownCane

SOUP

RCCF...ALIN for Heisman!!! LOL

#TownCane

www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000117339359

and who are all these guys with Jamal Carter (future Canes???)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xD_RXRdCp2g

RCCF 12%

SOUP

Dieter Kurtenbach ‏@dkurtenbach 1h

4-star http://youtu.be/2ONVe6E2MOs RT @SFHSSports: Al Golden Football Camp paying off. Canes secure commit from LB Juwon Young out of Albany, GA.

SOUP

Camp report from Aziz:

http://canesinsight.com/showthread.php?t=53314

SOUP

Miramar Sports ‏@MiramarSports 1h

How good is Juwan Young? Everybody said he was the best player at camp today, and that was WITH Travonte Valentine and others dominating.

SOUP

OGV and Zilla...received the checks for the USF (and FSU for OGV) tix. We are good to go!

TJL

Our Canes were robbed in 1988 also. That BS fumble the refs called against Cleveland Gary when we played Notre Lame in South Bend still pisses me off. 83 days till Gameday. Let's Go Canes.

Posted by: Terrance Sullivan | June 08, 2013 at 03:45 PM

Terrance-I was at that game-the people were so nasty the drunk irish security hassled us the frakkin concessions would not even serve us!

orange 'n green in the vein

Oh and by the way, while we're at it, a guy who's busy trying to make money gambling's pick to win the ACC coastal;

https://www.philsteele.com/Pdf/2013Top40Countdown/12VirginiaTech.pdf

He isn't selling interests in non-existant grocery distribution businesses either.

SOUP

ORB

That is all.

SOUP

Orb finishes 3rd after Oxbow and PALICE MALICE the winner. Nice name!

Ohio_Cane

Juwon Young is a MONSTER. That is all.

Be VERY happy, Canes fans. Been on the water aday, but I'll have more to say soon.

Sarasota 'cane

So what team is your pick to win the Coastal OGV? It's funny to watch you latch onto any straw that would suggest the canes are going to suck or will underachieve. Without looking I bet I've read 5-10 major publications that are picking UM to win the Coastal.
The defense will likely struggle, yet the offense and special teams should excel. How many D1 teams would trade places with UM to have above average players and opportunities in 2 out of 3 phases of the game?
I just don't understand how you can call yourself a fan of UM football and yet go out of your way to uncover every negative rumor, opinion, and story about the team. It doesn't make sense.

orange 'n green in the vein

/\/\/\

Take three wild guesses, first two don't count. Other than that as far as blogging exchanges with you old good buddy . . .

brevardcane

Glad we got Juwon Young (assuming he sticks); has anyone heard anything about Jumwand Blue (I think that's his name)?

Brevardcane

Correction Jawand Blue

Montreal-Cane

By Michael Casagrande

South Florida Sun Sentinel


CORAL GABLES — A few Hurricanes heard their name called on the third and final day of the baseball draft.

Along with Eric Nedeljkovic, Bryan Radziewski and Chantz Mack, a few more signees were selected in the late rounds of the amatuer draft.

The question for the Hurricanes surrounds who will sign the pro contracts and who will come to/return to school.

Well, as of Saturday night, UM expects to have both Radziewski and Salas back to the pitching staff and all signees but MacPhearson in Coral Gables this fall.

A rundown of everyone affiliated with the team who was picked so far:

Signees

•Matt MacPhearson, fourth round (120 overall)
•J.D. Underwood, fifth round (154th overall)
•Willie Abreu 14th round (435th overall)
•Derik Beauprez, 25th round (743rd overall)
•Zack Collins, 27th round, 825th overall)
•Jacob Heyward, 38th round (1,153rd overall)

Current players

•Eric Nedeljkovic,21st round (619th overall)*
•Bryan Radziewski, 29th round (875th overall)
•Chantz Mack, 29th round (867th overall)*
•Javi Sala, 38th round, (1,130th overall)
*Seniors

Montreal-Cane

Good news for Canes Baseball...

Well, as of Saturday night, UM expects to have both Radziewski and Salas back to the pitching staff and all signees but MacPhearson in Coral Gables this fall.

Also Coach Morris is back at home.

Sarasota 'cane

You post would suggest VT so if I only get one then I'll say you're picking VT to win the Coastal, old pal of mine...

Canester-Nip

The ONLY reason J. Young isn't a 5 star already is because of shady grades, but apparently that issue has been resolved.

indie499

Putting a lot of stock in the high school ratings is silly for a number of reasons:

1. First and foremost, the NFL spends millions of $ researching players at least 3 years older than these guys and the track record of drafting is amazingly spotty.
2. Chemistry matters in college football--always a risk that the big ratings also produce a big head
3. High school games and tape is notoriously difficult to assess, because the opponents are often unknown and have huge weak spots.
4. Many high schoolers excelled with a wide talent advantage. At the next level talent matters, but so does work ethic as the weakest opponents have been weeded out.

www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000117339359

Any word on who those guys who are with Jamal Carter are...

RCCF12%...

Terrance Sullivan

TJL why am I not surprised about the Stinkin Irish. Btw I think our Canes play Clemson in the ACC title game. Go Canes.

The Dude

Yesterday Kelly Canyon in the Targhee/Carribough National Forest. Today Mesa Falls under the watch of the Tetons. Now I can die, for I am happy.

SOUP

Yesterday Kelly Canyon in the Targhee/Carribough National Forest. Today Mesa Falls under the watch of the Tetons. Now I can die, for I am happy.

Posted by: The Dude | June 08, 2013 at 11:34 PM

There IT is right there.

SOUP

The Dude abides.

The Dude

Man is redeemed by nature.

Hassan

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1665178-why-de-aaron-lynch-is-a-better-nfl-prospect-than-jadeveon-clowney#/articles/1660391-how-do-scouts-break-down-nfl-defensive-end-prospects


OCALACANE

1st

Posted by: Hassan | June 08, 2013 at 06:08 AM

Wasup Hassan?

Hey hit me with an addy fob or some camel barn so i can send one of our heroes some freshy fresh roasted coffee...

Thanx for all U do Brutha!

UMike

Humble ‏@Nigel_Patten
🙌 pic.twitter.com/YBmXrUBXKv

Today at camp

UMike

Peter Ariz ‏@P_Ariz3
Chris Lammons, Tyre Brady, Nigel Patten all at camp watching on

UMike

Updates from Ariz at todays camp...

Golden currently with Tyre Brady, Chris Lammons, and Nigel Patten who aren't participating

A'lique Terry watching on

2015 Devonaire Scott is watching

Central's Fermin Silva out here for the 2nd straight day

UMike

Patten.. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BMUoSdiCIAEclmB.jpg:large

UMike

According to his Twitter Cocoa DB Chauncey Gardner committed to Miami yesterday.

D1 Athlete ☆ ‏@StillDat_
Al Golden camp felt like home #FutureCane

His Twitter says..

Official Page of Chauncey Gardner 190lbs 6'0'' DB of Cocoa High Future Hurricane Committed June 8th 2013

UMike

I THINK he is a 2015 kid

SOUP

Why do players go to camp just to watch? Are they TOO good to participate?

UMike

More Camp Updates...

2015 Don Bosco OL Kevin Feder is participating for the 2nd straight day. He's 6'9"

U-School's Sam Bruce is out here working. His father Isaac is here as well.

Something I've noticed in the first few camps is the large contingency of Central coaches that have been working

Fort Pierce Central LB Sharieff Rhaheed Muhammad is here watching the camp, currently committed to LSU.

Norland WR Kendrick Edwards watching on

UMike

2015 Receiver Da'Vante Phillips is out here participating.

j.w.

Happy Sunday Canes fans

UMike

SOUP..some players watch the first have and compete the second half..some watch one day and compete another day etc..either way good to have big names out there so coaches can talk with them and it not count against the "visit" numbers

SOUP

Amazing Bama stat. Tide have increased their ppg diff each yr under Saban. 5.1 ppg in '07, 15.8 '08, 20.4 '09, 22.2 '10, 26.6 '11 & 27.8 LY!

DOMINATION

UMike

Kyle Pumariega ‏@KylePuma
Chris Lammons isn't making a decision anytime soon. Patience.

UMike

Kyle Pumariega ‏@KylePuma
Chris Lammons is here but not participating because of an able injury.

Kyle Pumariega ‏@KylePuma
Just spoke with Sam Bruce...."I got some time but I like what I see. I grew up a Miami fan."

BigWindyCane1

Andre Ware, for Heisman Trophy QB and color analysis for ESPN's ACC games, picks Stephen Morris as the second best ACC QB and U of Miami as a sleeper ACC team.

Canespacers know that Morris is the most improved college QB over his career and one of the best QBs in college FB. This is one recruit that Whipple and Shannon got right, and Fisch deserves a lot of credit for developing him. Morris also put in the work and followed Fisch's instructions, and the nation will find out on September 7th against the Gators on national TV that Morris is one of the best college QBs out there.

The Canes have the best and deepest OL in the ACC, the best RB in the ACC and a top QB in the ACC. Their WR and TE corps are deep. That can only mean that the Canes will have an explosive offense.

The defense will also be much better (they have to be), as Golden and D'No have had more time to recruit their kind of defensive talent. D'No will run more interesting schemes this year, and an average defense is enough to put the Canes in the ACC title game and a BCS bowl.

CaneRock

Barry Jackson:

### Not only did UM last week add two-star linebacker and Plantation American Heritage graduate Walter Tucker — an elite hurdler who had no other football scholarship offers — to its 2013 class, but Canesport.com said UM also offered a 2013 football scholarship to a player who has never played football: New York-based Connor Center.

Center taped a workout and sent it to UM — which projects him as a tight end — and other schools. Center, 6-7, said UM is “at the top” of his list with Colorado. He plans to visit in the next week.

As for Tucker, he previously committed to Clemson on a track scholarship, but changed his mind because he decided to play football and that wasn't going to happen at Clemson. Some schools, including Texas and Wisconsin, had interest in him for football but didn't offer him a scholarship because of his past preference for track. Tucker was a high productive running back at American Heritage, but UM offered him as a linebacker.

### Meanwhile, Albany, Ga.-based linebacker Juwan Young on Saturday became UM's 10th oral commitment for the 2014 class, picking UM over North Carolina, Mississippi, Western Kentucky and others. Rated a three-star prospect by rivals.com, the 6-2, 228-pound Young had 118 tackles, 10 sacks and 8 forced fumbles last season.

### Unlike several recent years, UM didn't lose a first-round pick to the MLB draft. But the Hurricanes' top two recruits in their incoming class indicated they likely will turn pro: Arizona fourth-round pick Matt MacPherson (a speedy outfielder from Maryland) and Dodgers fifth-round pick J.D. Underwood, a pitcher from a Palm Beach junior college.

CaneRock

?s...Is Tyrone Cornelius still on the team?

Gabe Terry?

Ufomba Kamalu...is He coming or not?

CaneRock

### Not only did UM last week add two-star linebacker and Plantation American Heritage graduate Walter Tucker — an elite hurdler who had no other football scholarship offers — to its 2013 class, but Canesport.com said UM also offered a 2013 football scholarship to a player who has never played football: New York-based Connor Center.

Center taped a workout and sent it to UM — which projects him as a tight end — and other schools. Center, 6-7, said UM is “at the top” of his list with Colorado. He plans to visit in the next week.

As for Tucker, he previously committed to Clemson on a track scholarship, but changed his mind because he decided to play football and that wasn't going to happen at Clemson. Some schools, including Texas and Wisconsin, had interest in him for football but didn't offer him a scholarship because of his past preference for track. Tucker was a high productive running back at American Heritage, but UM offered him as a linebacker.

### Meanwhile, Albany, Ga.-based linebacker Juwan Young on Saturday became UM's 10th oral commitment for the 2014 class, picking UM over North Carolina, Mississippi, Western Kentucky and others. Rated a three-star prospect by rivals.com, the 6-2, 228-pound Young had 118 tackles, 10 sacks and 8 forced fumbles last season.

### Unlike several recent years, UM didn't lose a first-round pick to the MLB draft. But the Hurricanes' top two recruits in their incoming class indicated they likely will turn pro: Arizona fourth-round pick Matt MacPherson (a speedy outfielder from Maryland) and Dodgers fifth-round pick J.D. Underwood, a pitcher from a Palm Beach junior college.

Read more here:

UMike

CR...Cornelius is still on the team..as of right now Terry is not, but word is he has the opportunity to come back, right now it is on him. As for Kamalu, I have heard he wasn't coming due to sanctions, then I heard he was..so I have no idea lol..and I dont think ANY one knows but him right now..guess we will find out soon enough

UMike

From Ariz..


Darrell Langham commits

It's in the other thread but thought it needed a separate thread.

2014 WR from Santaluces HS. Huge kid with long arms and good hands. Doesn't look like one of the kids that need to put on a massive amount of weight either.

Before you guys say "where is the bat signal?" Carroll, Coley, Golden were all with him and his family right now congratulating him and welcoming him. I spoke to his dad who confirmed to me that his son committed.

UMike

For herbie..

Lt. Philip Nolan ‏@TheStateOfTheU
Miami probably has more offers out to defensive recruits than they do offensive at this point. They haven't committed. That's it.

UMike

2015 Frostproof LB Cecil Cherry is here about to participate now. Was originally walking around watching.

UMike

Luke is here again. Just shared an embrace with Coley and Then Golden

UMike

Cecil Cherry working with Mike Barrow on the side

Herb Waters walking around with Chris Lammons.

UMike

2015 Cardinals Gibbons safety Joe Riggins is an impressive looking prospect. 6'1", 192 as a sophomore

UMike

For those that it matters to..the 4-Star for Stuckey as now been removed by Rivals..guess they finally figured out he was a Miami commit

UMike

Scratch that last comment about Stuckey..Rivals site seems to be having some issues lol

SOUP

As far as the rankings go between the three recruiting sites I could understand if they differed by 10, 20 or even 30 spots, but almost 100 spots? Not so much!

UMike

Kyle Pumariega ‏@KylePuma
2015 QB Brandon Wimbush from New Jersey is killing it at camp.

Kyle Pumariega ‏@KylePuma
Deon Bush has been hanging out with Chris Lammons & Tyre Brady all day

TonyCane

UMike, that is part of Rivals ranking algorithm. Leaning towards the U automatically deducts points from their matrix, whereas an outright commitment results in at least one star being removed.

UMike

Peter Ariz ‏@P_Ariz3
2016 U-School WR Sam Bruce has been offered by Miami

UMike

Well Spacers..off to softball practice with my lil slugger...will pass along more updates later..

Article on latest commit..

http://www.fuelrecruiting.com/canes-big-weekend-continues-with-langham

Da U N Houston

The latest commit, Darrell Langham, remind me of T. Streeter. Great pickup. These camps are really paying off, with both players and coaches. Talk about test driving a car before putting a bid on it.

With the Under Armour Five star challange going on, all the "Hype" players are there with coaches watching on tv or sideline. AG realized its a perfect time to get a hands on test drive of the stars that were not invited but just as good if not better! I love it!!!!!!

Finally, the other thing I like about these camps is that it allows local (or who ever is willing to travel) an opportunity to earn schollies to smaller cools also at the camp.

CaneRock

Finally, the other thing I like about these camps is that it allows local (or who ever is willing to travel) an opportunity to earn schollies to smaller cools also at the camp.

Posted by: Da U N Houston | June 09, 2013 at 02:59 PM

YUP!
And the AGFC is cheap, don't know what the hell Shannon was thinking about offering those exorbitant prices.

UMike

"New" bat signal..but most likely for Langham

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