Rivals, Scout Or ESPN: Who Do U Believe?

There seems to be a lot of controversy surrounding the popular high school scouting services and their associated recruiting ranking systems that are published each year.

For some fans it is all about "the stars", as in how many stars does Johnny Rockets have attached to his name. These faithful fans follow the star system ratings like a religion.

However, for others, they simply do not by into the hype and dismiss the star rankings as utter nonsense that sells subscriptions to the schools with the largest fan bases.

Either way, their is no disputing the fact that college sports fans pay big money and an incredible amount of time and attention reading and comparing these three sites rankings of players their school is potentially recruiting.

Each year three of the most well known sites - Rivals, Scout and ESPN - release what they refer top as their top 300, 250 or 150 players lists. We thought we would take a look at some of the players that are allegedly being recruited by and have scholarship offers from Miami.

The listings below are: Player, Rivals, Scout and ESPN rankings (in that order):

Sony Michel: #6, #10, #16.

Dalvin Cook: #24, #71, #20

Joseph Yearby: #42, #25, #18

Ermon Lane: #32, #53, #25

KC McDermott: #40, #16, #52

Keyon Brown: #79, #164, UR

Artavis Scott: #81, #122, #85

Thomas Holley: #84, #70, #93

Isaiah Wynn: #89, #196, #113

Treon Harris: #130, #87, UR

Johnnie Dixon: #135, UR, #43

Elisha Shaw: #137, #72, #60

Khairi Clark: #139, #18, #146

Travis Rudolph: #153, #79, #79

Trevor Darling: #178, #108, #130

Brad Kaaya: #200, #297, UR

Now in case you haven't noticed, the rankings are generally all over the place and the variances  between the sites can be as many as 100 spots on the charts from site to site.

Furthermore, there seems to be no logical rhyme or reason as to which players get a top 25 ranking versus a top 125 ranking much less a top 225 ranking as each site has their highs and lows.

So what do you think about these stats and the Top 150, 250 and 300 players from the various sites? Are they accurate and on target or is their method and system antiquated and inaccurate?

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Comments

[brevardcane]

Glad we got Juwon Young (assuming he sticks); has anyone heard anything about Jumwand Blue (I think that's his name)?

[Brevardcane]

Correction Jawand Blue

[Montreal-Cane]

By Michael Casagrande

South Florida Sun Sentinel

CORAL GABLES — A few Hurricanes heard their name called on the third and final day of the baseball draft.

Along with Eric Nedeljkovic, Bryan Radziewski and Chantz Mack, a few more signees were selected in the late rounds of the amatuer draft.

The question for the Hurricanes surrounds who will sign the pro contracts and who will come to/return to school.

Well, as of Saturday night, UM expects to have both Radziewski and Salas back to the pitching staff and all signees but MacPhearson in Coral Gables this fall.

A rundown of everyone affiliated with the team who was picked so far:

Signees

•Matt MacPhearson, fourth round (120 overall)
•J.D. Underwood, fifth round (154th overall)
•Willie Abreu 14th round (435th overall)
•Derik Beauprez, 25th round (743rd overall)
•Zack Collins, 27th round, 825th overall)
•Jacob Heyward, 38th round (1,153rd overall)

Current players

•Eric Nedeljkovic,21st round (619th overall)*
•Bryan Radziewski, 29th round (875th overall)
•Chantz Mack, 29th round (867th overall)*
•Javi Sala, 38th round, (1,130th overall)
*Seniors

[Montreal-Cane]

Good news for Canes Baseball...

Well, as of Saturday night, UM expects to have both Radziewski and Salas back to the pitching staff and all signees but MacPhearson in Coral Gables this fall.

Also Coach Morris is back at home.

[Sarasota 'cane]

You post would suggest VT so if I only get one then I'll say you're picking VT to win the Coastal, old pal of mine...

[Canester-Nip]

The ONLY reason J. Young isn't a 5 star already is because of shady grades, but apparently that issue has been resolved.

[indie499]

Putting a lot of stock in the high school ratings is silly for a number of reasons:

1. First and foremost, the NFL spends millions of $ researching players at least 3 years older than these guys and the track record of drafting is amazingly spotty.
2. Chemistry matters in college football--always a risk that the big ratings also produce a big head
3. High school games and tape is notoriously difficult to assess, because the opponents are often unknown and have huge weak spots.
4. Many high schoolers excelled with a wide talent advantage. At the next level talent matters, but so does work ethic as the weakest opponents have been weeded out.

[www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000117339359]

Any word on who those guys who are with Jamal Carter are...

RCCF12%...

[Terrance Sullivan]

TJL why am I not surprised about the Stinkin Irish. Btw I think our Canes play Clemson in the ACC title game. Go Canes.

[The Dude]

Yesterday Kelly Canyon in the Targhee/Carribough National Forest. Today Mesa Falls under the watch of the Tetons. Now I can die, for I am happy.

[SOUP]

Yesterday Kelly Canyon in the Targhee/Carribough National Forest. Today Mesa Falls under the watch of the Tetons. Now I can die, for I am happy.

Posted by: The Dude | June 08, 2013 at 11:34 PM

There IT is right there.

[SOUP]

The Dude abides.

[The Dude]

Man is redeemed by nature.

[Hassan]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1665178-why-de-aaron-lynch-is-a-better-nfl-prospect-than-jadeveon-clowney#/articles/1660391-how-do-scouts-break-down-nfl-defensive-end-prospects

[OCALACANE]

1st

Posted by: Hassan | June 08, 2013 at 06:08 AM

Wasup Hassan?

Hey hit me with an addy fob or some camel barn so i can send one of our heroes some freshy fresh roasted coffee...

Thanx for all U do Brutha!

[UMike]

Humble ‏@Nigel_Patten
🙌 pic.twitter.com/YBmXrUBXKv

Today at camp

[UMike]

Peter Ariz ‏@P_Ariz3
Chris Lammons, Tyre Brady, Nigel Patten all at camp watching on

[UMike]

Updates from Ariz at todays camp...

Golden currently with Tyre Brady, Chris Lammons, and Nigel Patten who aren't participating

A'lique Terry watching on

2015 Devonaire Scott is watching

Central's Fermin Silva out here for the 2nd straight day

[UMike]

Patten.. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BMUoSdiCIAEclmB.jpg:large

[UMike]

According to his Twitter Cocoa DB Chauncey Gardner committed to Miami yesterday.

D1 Athlete ☆ ‏@StillDat_
Al Golden camp felt like home #FutureCane

His Twitter says..

Official Page of Chauncey Gardner 190lbs 6'0'' DB of Cocoa High Future Hurricane Committed June 8th 2013

[UMike]

I THINK he is a 2015 kid

[SOUP]

Why do players go to camp just to watch? Are they TOO good to participate?

[UMike]

More Camp Updates...

2015 Don Bosco OL Kevin Feder is participating for the 2nd straight day. He's 6'9"

U-School's Sam Bruce is out here working. His father Isaac is here as well.

Something I've noticed in the first few camps is the large contingency of Central coaches that have been working

Fort Pierce Central LB Sharieff Rhaheed Muhammad is here watching the camp, currently committed to LSU.

Norland WR Kendrick Edwards watching on

[UMike]

2015 Receiver Da'Vante Phillips is out here participating.

[j.w.]

Happy Sunday Canes fans

[UMike]

SOUP..some players watch the first have and compete the second half..some watch one day and compete another day etc..either way good to have big names out there so coaches can talk with them and it not count against the "visit" numbers

[SOUP]

Amazing Bama stat. Tide have increased their ppg diff each yr under Saban. 5.1 ppg in '07, 15.8 '08, 20.4 '09, 22.2 '10, 26.6 '11 & 27.8 LY!

DOMINATION

[UMike]

Kyle Pumariega ‏@KylePuma
Chris Lammons isn't making a decision anytime soon. Patience.

[UMike]

Kyle Pumariega ‏@KylePuma
Chris Lammons is here but not participating because of an able injury.

Kyle Pumariega ‏@KylePuma
Just spoke with Sam Bruce...."I got some time but I like what I see. I grew up a Miami fan."

[BigWindyCane1]

Andre Ware, for Heisman Trophy QB and color analysis for ESPN's ACC games, picks Stephen Morris as the second best ACC QB and U of Miami as a sleeper ACC team.

Canespacers know that Morris is the most improved college QB over his career and one of the best QBs in college FB. This is one recruit that Whipple and Shannon got right, and Fisch deserves a lot of credit for developing him. Morris also put in the work and followed Fisch's instructions, and the nation will find out on September 7th against the Gators on national TV that Morris is one of the best college QBs out there.

The Canes have the best and deepest OL in the ACC, the best RB in the ACC and a top QB in the ACC. Their WR and TE corps are deep. That can only mean that the Canes will have an explosive offense.

The defense will also be much better (they have to be), as Golden and D'No have had more time to recruit their kind of defensive talent. D'No will run more interesting schemes this year, and an average defense is enough to put the Canes in the ACC title game and a BCS bowl.

[CaneRock]

Barry Jackson:

### Not only did UM last week add two-star linebacker and Plantation American Heritage graduate Walter Tucker — an elite hurdler who had no other football scholarship offers — to its 2013 class, but Canesport.com said UM also offered a 2013 football scholarship to a player who has never played football: New York-based Connor Center.

Center taped a workout and sent it to UM — which projects him as a tight end — and other schools. Center, 6-7, said UM is “at the top” of his list with Colorado. He plans to visit in the next week.

As for Tucker, he previously committed to Clemson on a track scholarship, but changed his mind because he decided to play football and that wasn't going to happen at Clemson. Some schools, including Texas and Wisconsin, had interest in him for football but didn't offer him a scholarship because of his past preference for track. Tucker was a high productive running back at American Heritage, but UM offered him as a linebacker.

### Meanwhile, Albany, Ga.-based linebacker Juwan Young on Saturday became UM's 10th oral commitment for the 2014 class, picking UM over North Carolina, Mississippi, Western Kentucky and others. Rated a three-star prospect by rivals.com, the 6-2, 228-pound Young had 118 tackles, 10 sacks and 8 forced fumbles last season.

### Unlike several recent years, UM didn't lose a first-round pick to the MLB draft. But the Hurricanes' top two recruits in their incoming class indicated they likely will turn pro: Arizona fourth-round pick Matt MacPherson (a speedy outfielder from Maryland) and Dodgers fifth-round pick J.D. Underwood, a pitcher from a Palm Beach junior college.

[CaneRock]

?s...Is Tyrone Cornelius still on the team?

Gabe Terry?

Ufomba Kamalu...is He coming or not?

[CaneRock]

### Not only did UM last week add two-star linebacker and Plantation American Heritage graduate Walter Tucker — an elite hurdler who had no other football scholarship offers — to its 2013 class, but Canesport.com said UM also offered a 2013 football scholarship to a player who has never played football: New York-based Connor Center.

Center taped a workout and sent it to UM — which projects him as a tight end — and other schools. Center, 6-7, said UM is “at the top” of his list with Colorado. He plans to visit in the next week.

As for Tucker, he previously committed to Clemson on a track scholarship, but changed his mind because he decided to play football and that wasn't going to happen at Clemson. Some schools, including Texas and Wisconsin, had interest in him for football but didn't offer him a scholarship because of his past preference for track. Tucker was a high productive running back at American Heritage, but UM offered him as a linebacker.

### Meanwhile, Albany, Ga.-based linebacker Juwan Young on Saturday became UM's 10th oral commitment for the 2014 class, picking UM over North Carolina, Mississippi, Western Kentucky and others. Rated a three-star prospect by rivals.com, the 6-2, 228-pound Young had 118 tackles, 10 sacks and 8 forced fumbles last season.

### Unlike several recent years, UM didn't lose a first-round pick to the MLB draft. But the Hurricanes' top two recruits in their incoming class indicated they likely will turn pro: Arizona fourth-round pick Matt MacPherson (a speedy outfielder from Maryland) and Dodgers fifth-round pick J.D. Underwood, a pitcher from a Palm Beach junior college.

Read more here:

[UMike]

CR...Cornelius is still on the team..as of right now Terry is not, but word is he has the opportunity to come back, right now it is on him. As for Kamalu, I have heard he wasn't coming due to sanctions, then I heard he was..so I have no idea lol..and I dont think ANY one knows but him right now..guess we will find out soon enough

[UMike]

From Ariz..

Darrell Langham commits

It's in the other thread but thought it needed a separate thread.

2014 WR from Santaluces HS. Huge kid with long arms and good hands. Doesn't look like one of the kids that need to put on a massive amount of weight either.

Before you guys say "where is the bat signal?" Carroll, Coley, Golden were all with him and his family right now congratulating him and welcoming him. I spoke to his dad who confirmed to me that his son committed.

[UMike]

For herbie..

Lt. Philip Nolan ‏@TheStateOfTheU
Miami probably has more offers out to defensive recruits than they do offensive at this point. They haven't committed. That's it.

[UMike]

2015 Frostproof LB Cecil Cherry is here about to participate now. Was originally walking around watching.

[UMike]

Luke is here again. Just shared an embrace with Coley and Then Golden

[UMike]

Cecil Cherry working with Mike Barrow on the side

Herb Waters walking around with Chris Lammons.

[UMike]

2015 Cardinals Gibbons safety Joe Riggins is an impressive looking prospect. 6'1", 192 as a sophomore

[UMike]

For those that it matters to..the 4-Star for Stuckey as now been removed by Rivals..guess they finally figured out he was a Miami commit

[UMike]

Scratch that last comment about Stuckey..Rivals site seems to be having some issues lol

[SOUP]

As far as the rankings go between the three recruiting sites I could understand if they differed by 10, 20 or even 30 spots, but almost 100 spots? Not so much!

[UMike]

Kyle Pumariega ‏@KylePuma
2015 QB Brandon Wimbush from New Jersey is killing it at camp.

Kyle Pumariega ‏@KylePuma
Deon Bush has been hanging out with Chris Lammons & Tyre Brady all day

[TonyCane]

UMike, that is part of Rivals ranking algorithm. Leaning towards the U automatically deducts points from their matrix, whereas an outright commitment results in at least one star being removed.

[UMike]

Peter Ariz ‏@P_Ariz3
2016 U-School WR Sam Bruce has been offered by Miami

[UMike]

Well Spacers..off to softball practice with my lil slugger...will pass along more updates later..

Article on latest commit..

http://www.fuelrecruiting.com/canes-big-weekend-continues-with-langham

[Da U N Houston]

The latest commit, Darrell Langham, remind me of T. Streeter. Great pickup. These camps are really paying off, with both players and coaches. Talk about test driving a car before putting a bid on it.

With the Under Armour Five star challange going on, all the "Hype" players are there with coaches watching on tv or sideline. AG realized its a perfect time to get a hands on test drive of the stars that were not invited but just as good if not better! I love it!!!!!!

Finally, the other thing I like about these camps is that it allows local (or who ever is willing to travel) an opportunity to earn schollies to smaller cools also at the camp.

[CaneRock]

Finally, the other thing I like about these camps is that it allows local (or who ever is willing to travel) an opportunity to earn schollies to smaller cools also at the camp.

Posted by: Da U N Houston | June 09, 2013 at 02:59 PM

YUP!
And the AGFC is cheap, don't know what the hell Shannon was thinking about offering those exorbitant prices.

[UMike]

"New" bat signal..but most likely for Langham