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November 04, 2013

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IraqiCane

1st.

BEAT VT!!!

SOUP

Here's the thing I don't get:

1. Let's all accept and acknowledge that FSU has currently accumulated better talent accross the board than Miami.

2. Teams of lesser talent beat teams with greater talent every week in college football.

3. Why couldn't or didn't Miami beat FSU?

IraqiCane

Poor game plan, and poor execution.

The D game plan was not to get beat deep. And I'm still at a loss for the Offense game plan, what ever it was Morris didn't play well enough to execute it.

Line play was poor/weak/slow on both sides of the ball.

Maybe FSU is just that good.

trianglecane

Why couldn't Miami beat fsu?

1. It seemed like the moment was to big for some of the team.

2. Miami had to play next to perfect. To many players had bad games, and our good players didn't make plays. I'm not looking at you Hurns.

3. the third quarter. Miami was out adjusted.

I was thinking about what duane starks said. Our lb's being 8 yards back on 3rd and 3. Our lb's are what they are. Not fast enough to drop back in the passing line if there is a play action pass. So, the philosophy is do you give up 4 or 15. i don't know.

Ohio_Cane

Forgot to say this from Saturday night:

Goudis for Heisman...

trianglecane

Goudis..smh..

He needs to be on partial scholarship because he makes half of his kicks.

LB

All the true believers and downers got that out of their system? I hope so.

LB's Monday Morning Reality Check:

- It's a really crappy day when your best player goes down for the season. Even Seminole fans have joined with us in hoping for an extremely speedy recovery. Best of luck to Duke and his family.
- Give it up to the Seminoles offensive line and their third down percentage. They played like a top three team.

The Bad:
- Highsmith was out of position frequently during the momentum-killing TD's.
- No pass rush = overworked secondary.
- Morris played average, but had trouble as the Noles flooded the backfield.
- A couple really bad calls.
- Winston's 3rd down movement. See comments on the pass rush.

The Ugly:
- The whole damned game was exhausting.

The Good:
- Perryman very quietly had 11 tackles and 1 TFL. Green and Gaines were also very active (7 tackles each).
- Given a pass rush, we've got some really good safeties in Jenkins and Bush.
- AQM will eventually get to the QB, but he needs to be on the field more than just 3rd down.
- Duke was gusty.
- Allen Hurns is a beast.
- Pat O'Donnell: my M.V.P.

Enough with that effing game. It's over. Let's move on.

I've screamed for months that the most important thing for this team to do is REACH CHARLOTTE. UM has NEVER reached the ACC Title Game, and it's that or bust. No bowl wins since 2006? Puke.

It is absolutely possible for UM to reach Charlotte, but wins are paramount. None so than this coming week.

The Road to Charlotte (ranked in order of possibility to appear):

Players:

1. UM- Despite a foul loss, UM still leads the Coastal thanks to a loss by the #2 team in the race.
Conference Record: 3-1
- vs. Va. Tech
- at Duke
- vs. UVA
- at Pitt
Remaining Conference Games: 4
Remaining Teams with .500 or >: 3
- Now weaker at RB, Miami needs to beat Va. Tech to keep their one game lead... because losing to Va. Tech would mean the vulnerable Hokies OWN the tiebreaker.

2. Va. Tech- They are #2 in record only. Though owning a tiebreaker vs. Ga. Tech, they've lost to Duke.
Conference Record: 3-2
- at UM
- vs. Maryland
- at UVA
Remaining Conference Games: 3
Remaining Teams with .500 or >: 2
- Va. Tech has basically one chance to keep themselves alive, and it's Saturday. They're on a two game losing streak, and it's do or die. Being 102nd in scoring doesn't help at all, but they'll give the Canes their best effort.

3. Duke- Duke should really be #2 here, but the whole conference is weird. They've got momentum, as they've won four in a row (including two conference games).
Conference Record: 2-2
- vs. N.C. State
- vs. UM
- at Wake
- at N.C.
Remaining Conference Games: 4
Remaining Teams with .500 or >: 1
- Duke lost to Ga. Tech, but beat Va. Tech... making 2nd place up in the air. Duke looks good at this point, and had a week to rest up before the Wolfpack.

Possibles:

4. Georgia Tech- They need a lot of help, but they are still in the race.
Conference Record: 5-2
- at Clemson
- vs. Alabama A&M
- vs. Georgia
Remaining Conference Games: 1
Remaining Teams with .500 or >: 2
- At a far glance, Ga. Tech has the best remaining schedule. Unfortunately, their remaining conference game is vs. Clemson. They'll need a ton of help to get to Charlotte, but it is still a possibility because of their win vs. Pitt.

5. Pitt- They're only listed here because the ACC is traditionally weird.
Conference Record: 2-3
- vs. Notre Dame
- vs. North Carolina
- vs. Georgia
Remaining Conference Games: 1
Remaining Teams with .500 or >: 2
- It's hard to imagine Pitt representing the Coastal with a losing conference record this late, but they did beat Duke and UVA. Yet they've lost to both Va. Tech and the Jackets.

Pukes:
5. North Carolina- They may make a bowl game, but they're sure as hell not going to Charlotte.
- vs. UVA
- at Pitt
- vs. Old Dominion
- vs. Duke
Remaining Conference Games: 3
Remaining Teams with .500 or >: 2
- Their remaining schedule looks light, but it won't matter. They've lost to UM, Ga. Tech, and the Hokies.

6. Virginia- UVA successfully played itself out of bowl centention this weekend.
- at North Carolina
- at UM
- vs. Va. Tech
Remaining Conference Games: 3
Remaining Teams with .500 or >: 2
- They are winless on conference play and on a six game losing streak. Yet this is the team that has owned UM for the past three years. Puke.

LB

Know the Hokies:

They are still dangerous, bowl eligible, and should be in a foul mood as they've lost two in a row.

They suck at running and scoring, but they are EXCEPTIONAL on defense...

8th in scoring defense.
5th in 3rd down % defense (better than FSU at 15th).
9th in rushing defense.
1st in passing yards allowed.

Concerned yet?

BigWindyCane1

Canes played well in the first half, but wilted down the stretch. At this point, they are 7-1 and #11 in the BCS. I will take it.

It will take everything the Canes have to beat the remaining teams on their schedule and finish the regular season 4-0. They will be favored in their remaining games. This is where Al Golden will prove he is a good coach by winning the games he is supposed to win.

Whether each game is a blowout or a close one, I just want the Canes to win. Although I am critical of my Canes sometimes, I think Golden is doing a great job, and Morris is our clear #1 QB - I have seen both play in High School, and I have seen both play during the spring. I don't mean to criticize Williams because he is a Cane, so I will simply say Williams is a game manager. Al Golden knows what he is doing. I agree with the comments that the Canes could have been shut out with Williams because the Canes simply do not have the talent around the QB to make the game manager effective in a game like FSU.

The OL needs to pick it up and they will, and the rest of the season is on the OL to lead UM.

dj moonbat

1. Let's all accept and acknowledge that FSU has currently accumulated better talent accross the board than Miami.

2. Teams of lesser talent beat teams with greater talent every week in college football.

3. Why couldn't or didn't Miami beat FSU?

Posted by: SOUP | November 04, 2013 at 08:51 AM


Because FSU wasn't lazy or distracted. And Miami couldn't do enough of the things that are needed to throw FSU off its game.

jsy

my biggest concern with this team besides dno is the mentality of this team. Im of the mindset that truly believes that we lost this game before we even played. FSU did to us what we used to do to others and beat us mentally and emotionally before kickoff. Where is that fighting spirit ala Jerome Brown saying I aint scared during the coin flip and looking the opponent straight in the eye. After something like that the other team knows they are in for a fight win or lose they know they are fighting a dog who will claw and scratch to the end. You know that clip where Reed is mad in the tunnel? That summarizes the problem with this team perfectly. "Joaquim said dominate" That's the mentality we must have. Do you think those teams wanted to take this to the fourth? No they wanted to knock the opponent out and take away their will from the first snap. Until this team gets that mentality we will never beat fsu. And i feel that this weak mentality has to do with the coaches esp dno because his philosophy is not to go get the win but sit back in zone and get pray the other team messes up. We have to stop playing not to lose and instead go out there expecting to dominate. Remember Winston before the Clemson game? He told his team "we aint leaving without a victory" Golden is a good CEO but my God when did we become so weak and timid and scared? Even if i lose I want to go out swinging with nothing left in my clip but this staff waits till the opponent runs out of bullets hoping we can dodge them before shooting back. Like i said before I really dont mind the loss but im worried even if we get a rematch with FSU we will once again get dominated because we play scared. And if we finish 10-2 with our only two losses to FSU and end up in a peach bowl againt a team like texas A and M, trust me johnny football will throw for 600 on us unless we change our mindsets. because trust me when Mr. Football steps onto the field, he expects to win because he feels he is the best of the field he has that swag. And by swag i dont mean the dancing for flexing (thats fake swag) i mean swag as in a true inner confidence that u are the best. It permiates into every aspect of life from how you walk and talk to how u practice and play. Our players are born with that and develop it because thats what you need to survive and go from the gutter to the top like most of these players have done based on their backgrounds and how they grew up. But it seems this team doesnt have that. And if this team doesnt Golden needs to instill it. Instead of saying in the beginning lets take it to the fourth he should have told his team were going out there and from the first snap we will go for the KO. Winston who is a RFS has it, Wilder, Joyner, Freeman have it. Having that inner belief in yourself allows you to rise to the moment and do great things when others doubt you. I saw it in Portis's face when he said raise your hand if your a back up and half the team raises there hand he said i would never raise my hand. We need that more than talent because the talent is there trust me my friends we didnt lose this based off talent we lost before the game was even played.

SOUP

Concerned yet?

Posted by: LB | November 04, 2013 at 09:18 AM

Next week is going to be very stressful.

That is all.

SOUP

Having that inner belief in yourself allows you to rise to the moment and do great things when others doubt you. I saw it in Portis's face when he said raise your hand if your a back up and half the team raises there hand he said i would never raise my hand. We need that more than talent because the talent is there trust me my friends we didnt lose this based off talent we lost before the game was even played.

Posted by: jsy | November 04, 2013 at 09:32 AM

Very interesting.

Jramos

FSU is the past, We need to focus on the game ahead. No Duke should gives the chance for
Crawford and others to step up. That's all...Step Up Canes!!!

dj moonbat

Next week is going to be very stressful.

That is all.

Posted by: SOUP | November 04, 2013 at 09:34 AM


You know, it's not actually your fault if Miami loses.

SOUP

moonbat...thank U for that, I read it a few times and it was actually liberating, and I mean that seriously, not sarcastically.

Yet even if I am not responsible for UM winning or losing I still will not feel any better about the outcome if Miami loses to VT.

It all comes down to this: Beat VT and FSU is completely forgotten. Lose to VT and the season could be lost.

I HATE LOSING.

Ohio_Cane

SOUP, we're gonna win out and get a 2nd chance at FSWho.

Say it with me now...

We're gonna win out and get a 2nd chance at FSWho.

Again...

We're gonna win out and get a 2nd chance at FSWho.

One more time...

We're gonna win out and get a 2nd chance at FSWho.

Sinistercane

24-21 Vtech

I have absolutely no faith in P17 and NOD's scheme has the unfortunate habit of snapping sh!tty QB's out of their slump

Gin & Tonic

3. Why couldn't or didn't Miami beat FSU?

Posted by: SOUP | November 04, 2013 at 08:51 AM

Miami is a good team. FSU is an elite team. My observations on why Miami did not win.

1) Hated deferring after winning the coin-toss. If you come to WIN, you put your best unit on the field FIRST. Instead they put the strength of FSU on the field first. What happened? FSU marched down the field converts a 3 & F'n 13 and established how the rest of the game will be played.
2) Canes could not keep the offense on the field on 3rd down. Too many runs that went East to West or took long to develop instead of straight North South runs.
3) Canes could not get the defense off the field on 3rd down. No spy on mobile qb or rb led to many easy conversions when Winston scrambled or just dumped to back in the flats for easy yards.
4) Missing Field Goals takes points off the board.
5) Canes did not win turnover battle.

This all needs to change IF the Canes get to Charlotte for a second crack at ruining the Noles season.

dj moonbat

Yet even if I am not responsible for UM winning or losing I still will not feel any better about the outcome if Miami loses to VT.

Posted by: SOUP | November 04, 2013 at 09:50 AM


What I'm finding is that by internalizing the message that wins/losses aren't on me, I at least free myself of the week spent worried about game day. On game day, my stomach still churns pretty good.

SOUP

Good BCS article:

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/story/2013-11-03/bcs-standings-week-3-florida-state-jumps-oregon-for-no-2

SOUP

We're gonna win out and get a 2nd chance at FSWho. There I said it.

SOUP

This all needs to change IF the Canes get to Charlotte for a second crack at ruining the Noles season.

Posted by: Gin & Tonic | November 04, 2013 at 09:56 AM

U actually answered my next question: What does Golden and Miami need to do differently IF UM faces FSPoo again in Charlotte?

Sinistercane

Hey SOUP what are your sources chattin' about P17 for this week?

Ohio_Cane

U actually answered my next question: What does Golden and Miami need to do differently IF UM faces FSPoo again in Charlotte?

Posted by: SOUP | November 04, 2013 at 10:02 AM
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E X E C U T E

That's why we lost and they won.

dg

The belief from the players was there BUT not from the coaching staff! If the stage was too big they would have folded in the first half I said it before the game--Golden and Co can't adjust and are just flat out bad game day coaches. Coley and D'No are tit for tat--bad and worse! Morris is obviously hurt more than we know. His first half throws wore beautiful and than he hurts the ankle/foot again. His best football is ahead of him in the NFL-real coaching. Noles are good BUT not Bama good. Bama will just run it down their throats than throw to the tight end in the seam when they try to adjust. I don't expect to be in Charlotte with Morris limping around, Duke out, and Golden afraid to play the backup. Just the truth....

Terrance Sullivan

Go Canes! Beat VT!

NativeCane

Why couldnt Miami beat FSU?

Cause me and Sully were late or UpNorthCane has lost his Mojo?

Games are won on the field not based on past performancePosted by: CGNC | November 01, 2013 at 12:48 PMNEGATIVE...games are won at the tailgate.WE GOT THIS!Posted by: SOUP | November 01, 2013 at 05:45 PM

Sinistercane

I hope Gus Edwards get some burn this week

Ohio_Cane

THIS coming game vs VT will show the true grit and improvement of this team and coaches.

Can they execute this week, at home, after a tough loss on the road to our biggest rival?

That's the answer I want. Not "what didn't D'No?" do last week, not "did Golden have them ready?", not "Is SM17 any good?"

Talent is there, size/strength/speed is there, execution is what's missing right now.

Yeah, I said it, the FSU game didn't prove or disprove anything we know about this team.

The way they adjust this week to play another very good defense and respond to adversity will show what kind of team we have.

herbieibis

The plain awful truth is, we don't have enough "IT" guys on this team. Johnny Football is an "IT" guy all by himself. Just think if we played someone like Oregon, our defense would never get off the field.
Va. Tech has been a thorn in our side foreva and now they come in with a sorry offense but have a great Defense. The Herb is interested in seeing how DENO is going to help Tech's offense get better this week, with his lame schemes.

jsy

Nothing cures a qbs funk like dno it's like chicken soup for the downtrodden qb soul. If I was a college qb I would request that I could throw during dno during my pro day tryouts

jsy

Against dno^^^^

SOUP

The way they adjust this week to play another very good defense and respond to adversity will show what kind of team we have.

Posted by: Ohio_Cane | November 04, 2013 at 10:23 AM

That is the truth right there. The ISSUE is nobody really has a clue what they will do.

We know what we HOPE they will do (play well, dominate VT and win the game), but in all honesty we have no idea what we are gonna get from the box-o-chocolates known as UM football.

jsy

His scheme is perfect honestly for opposing qbs because he comes out in such a soft zone the qb has all day to sit there and throw short to intermediate passes to the middle of the field and the flat and get into a good rhythm. His first couple drives are honestly warm up for opposing qbs.

SOUP

Why couldnt Miami beat FSU?

Cause me and Sully were late or UpNorthCane has lost his Mojo?

Posted by: NativeCane | November 04, 2013 at 10:14 AM

Or maybe it was BOTH? LOL

Sinistercane

NOd 3 man coverage is softer then baby thighs

SOUP

Miami's Nov. 16 game at Duke will kick at 3:30 p.m. on either ABC/ESPN2 or ESPNU.

Ohio_Cane

Barry Jackson ‏@flasportsbuzz 1m

The UM game at Duke Nov. 16 will begin at 3:30 p.m. and air on ABC/ESPN2 or ESPNU.

SOUP

Phil Steele ‏@philsteele042 20m

Florida St has faced 3 ranked foes this year.
Average score Florida St 51.6 Ranked foe 9.3
Average yards FSU 565.3 Ranked foe 278.3

DAMN, I GUESS FSU IS PRETTY GOOD!

Texascane

^^^^^^^

FSU has found lightning in a bottle with Winston. Just like A&M...a middle of the pack team until Maziel showed up.

thirstybuzzardcane

Miami is 7 point favorites against VT.....I was thinking it was going to be around 9 or 10

mountain cane

Why couldn't Miami beat FSU?

They have a stronger roster and would beat us the majority of the time if we played 100 times.

We could do more to maximize our chance in any given game though. Slowing down their high powered O made sense to me, BUT you have to make a stand sometime. On 1 of the 3rd and longs they faced you have to dial something up that gets us off the field.

Our short and intermediate passing game needs lots of work. We have no idea how to execute a screen. Need to be able to mix that in with running and the long pass.

Sinistercane

Why couldn't Miami beat FSU?

Al's battle tested man crush for NOd. No guts to bench P17 and seniors who continue to play like poop " Highsmith " but remain starters over more talented underclass due to experience

raizecane

Why couldn't Miami beat FSU?


Because FSU scored more points? LOL

raizecane

I'll be going to the UCF / Houston game this Saturday so at last i won't be in "panic" mode during the Miami / Vatech game

SOUP

Because FSU scored more points? LOL

Posted by: raizecane | November 04, 2013 at 11:45 AM

Dang, I never thought of that.

But yeah, U can't beat FSU with 14 points.

thirstybuzzardcane

I want to know how many times we ran it on 1st down? Our offense is so predictable!

dj moonbat

Why couldn't Miami beat FSU?

They have a stronger roster and would beat us the majority of the time if we played 100 times.

Posted by: mountain cane | November 04, 2013 at 11:21 AM


Right. People are acting like we should view losing to FSU as a character flaw. But most of the time, the better team wins.

That Petersen dude at Boise State seems to excel at upsetting better teams. But he doesn't do it ALL the time, and it would be silly to berate him for failing to do it.

That doesn't mean the UM coaching staff is doing everything right. It just means that we shouldn't pretend that the FSU game was something Miami *should* have won, if it weren't for the terrible coaching. FSU is freaking good.

AfriCane

U guys r funny ! I guess imam fans do expect perfection. This is the same team that went 7-5 last year. I assume u r all mad because of the way we lost. Me; we played better than Clemson.
There is nothing that shows me we would loose the rest of our schedule. I'm sorry I but I have seen both defenses & VT defense is not the pack of raptors that FL state's his, not even close. & they r playing in Miami.
Seriously, u r all effin psychotic & u need to get checked out / get laid/ get a life/ get a clue!!!!

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