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November 03, 2013

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laquinton

Get better duke

laquinton

Great post 86. Sad. . Just sad. The Margin For error was small but we lost To a great team but losing our best player is something that will cost us. I'm over with Steven. Great kid but him smiling got me upset. We are getting killed and you and shayon smiling ? Ugh. We need a QB LIKE FSU has

Saliva Breath

No more Shannon era QBs. Done. Time to move on.

IraqiCane

Yup.

360Cane

Ok, now I know why we don't run a slip screen.

What was the final 3rd down count? 2/13? We are in desperate need of linemen. Transfers coming in and taking the starting job should tell us all something.

But the negativity on here is ridiculous. How many times does Golden have to say, "we're not there yet"?

Our 3 star QB vs their 5 star QB.
Our 3 star DL vs their 5 star DL.

Yes. I know stars don't matter here. But maybe because we haven't developed them in the past decade. Until we have NFLers on that DL, we will constantly have to look at the O to play keep up. I like our DBs and I like our LBs. But our DL is just so ssslllooowww.

Sinistercane

NOd's scheme is base off the Penn St slow un-athletic players from up north used to contain explosive Florida type players, his scheme is riddle with the fear of getting beat deep but it allow you to get rapped on every other route

coldcane

But we can stand with the Canes and trust the process...with that being said...I know it is easy for me to say from the couch but I swear I could run that defense better than it is being ran right now...whomever it is that has been recruiting our DTs need to get his ass kicked

BigWindyCane1

Sorry about Duke and his injury. That is a big loss. Just want to find a way to win the remaining games and make it to the ACC Championship game. That will be a successful year - something the Canes have never accomplished. It's not a national championship,but it is a big step forward

BigWindyCane1

For me, the big reason for FSU success was their offensive line play, which was excellent. Rick Trickett is an excellent offensive line coach and their running backs always have running lanes and Winston always has time to throw. The Canes aren't the only good team to experience this. The running game for FSU, and a timely called and executed screen play, won the game last night.

I still love my Canes and Al Golden. Go Canes!

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top ten..and about as close as we'll see again this season

BigWindyCane1

FSU got 192 yards rushing and 517 yards of total offense. Ouch!

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The morning after a loss we knew was coming..

Still believe AG can get it done, and it will take a few more years. It showed last night, we don't have the talent, depth or experience to play at the highest level. We do have a smiling QB that is simply a flop this season.

No'D never really left, we just improved enough to not be the worst when playing poor teams. FSU did anything they wanted all game long. No pass rush, no run D, nothing....played soft and let them run up almost 600 yds of offense.

On the O, not sure which is a bigger failure, SM or Coley. FSU is probably laughing today at us for taking him. Play calling made no sense, and SM is not a winner. The last 2 victories the running game carried us late down the field.

Shame Duke got hurt, been a tough season. Injuries and fumbles.

No special teams plays at all, and a missed FG.

AG got schooled, now we'll see if they quit or have a real commitment to winning.

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Just read Duke is gone. Lost on a stupid play call late in a game that was already lost. Should have been Crawford in the short yardage package or the Bus. Been saying is all season. Now it really costs us......

BTW, SM is hurt far more than we've been led to believe. Hobbled around during the game again.

Sorry Soup, time to go pull some weeds...

USAFCane

I was not surprised. Canes are pretty good, this year FSU are elite. I think the best in country and you can see that belief. That game was easy for them. Thought the game plan was good 1st half and then completely outcoached, outplayed in the 2nd.

Coley drop early 2nd half was big as was the miss to him on the deep pass.

Guttsy call end of the 1st half on 4th down, not so sure when they went for it late and to top it off DUke was injured and out for the rest of the season.

Morris, I just don;t know what to say, good 1st half, very bad 2nd.

Hopefully we'll win out and get them again but the outcome will be the same of worse.

It has taken Fisher this long to build FSU into this, 4 years? AG is half way thru year 3 and coing out of the NCAA debacle. He still my choice and I believe in 2 years we'll approach what FSU are right now.

CGNC

Bummed about Duke. can't say last night was not unexpected, just hoped it wouldn't happen like that. Our 3rd down conversions were bad because we never or rarely had third and short like FSU did. The biggest difference on offense that I saw was Winston can quickly read his progressions and SM cannot. We just need a bigger, badder D-line. Period. As for SM smiling on the sidelines, dude needs to hate losing more than like winning

With that said, in the past decade we have seen a coach that could not use a headset followed by a coach who could not utilize time outs or recruit topped off with a big NCAA investigation. It's been a long road for all of us. It will not get fixed overnight, but I think the worst is behind us.

Soup, did you have a good time? (other than the score)

Sarasota 'cane

With that said, in the past decade we have seen a coach that could not use a headset followed by a coach who could not utilize time outs or recruit topped off with a big NCAA investigation. It's been a long road for all of us. It will not get fixed overnight, but I think the worst is behind us.

Posted by: CGNC | November 03, 2013 at 08:37 AM

I agree with that statement 100%. I also think it's too bad that UM lost Duke on such a stupid play call at a meaningless point in the game.

CGNC

Sarasota - I started thinking HOW LONG it has actually been.....for me I knew something was up when LSU stomped us in the bowl game - 03 I think?

AfriCane

damn! our fan base lack perspective. 1st:
we r working with young wide receivers except for hurns. dorsett is out. the only negative with us tonight was the QB. morris is the problem, not the whole team. the defense is not elite but is better & has won us games this year. i'll take there. 2nd: we r 7-1 with a 90% chance of going 11-1. these r all 75% improvement over last year. the defense played good enough to win. we needed morris to hit on the balls he missed and we needed our play makers to be on the field. we will most likely meet them @ the ACCCG & the result will be different. hurricane fans r tough. I doubt most of u r real football fans. I think the canes just fill a void in your life. so u r a wreck when they loose.

SOUP

CGNC...yes we had a blast at the tailgate and at the game for the first half. It got ugly quickly in the third period and then the fun was over. At the half I thought we had a shot at winning but:

U CAN'T DO THAT

And expect to win.

SOUP

Now, to the showers followed by a 3.5 hour ride home while tired, disappointed and about $400 lighter in the pocket.

AfriCane

can someone stop 'jenny winston' from talking. I know hes young but this kid is goofy fokk!

CGNC

Posted by: NigeianCane | November 03, 2013 at 08:58 AM

No one is losing perspective. Just about everyone knows that we are not there yet.

mi@mic@ne

After our oline pushed them all over the field in the first q on the scoring drive they brought their backs up for run support. Steven percentage was was not accurate beyond 30 yards so we did not exploit that d. It was the difference in the game.

AfriCane

CGNC maybe u r not. But a whole lot of other people were crying apocalypse on the last blog.

Sarasota 'cane

Sarasota - I started thinking HOW LONG it has actually been.....for me I knew something was up when LSU stomped us in the bowl game - 03 I think?

Posted by: CGNC | November 03, 2013 at 08:48 AM

That is so funny that you just said that because the two games for me that signify the beginning of the downward spiral of the program was the LSU Peach Bowl and the Louisville "Logo Stomping" game!
When our players held up their "four fingers" at the end of the 3rd quarter last night I thought about how long it's been since we ACTUALLY did own the 4th quarter against top 10 teams. I was saying to myself put your hands down and keep them down until the former players tell you it's OK to put them back up.

AfriCane

If we can pick off Winston twice, imagine what we'll do to Logan. TH3 must be licking his chops.

mi@mic@ne

When we are ready for the top ten we will be lighting it up on the long ball.

nemo2002

S*T*A*R*S* MATTER . . . . according to today's Miami Herald (Manny & Susan). Here is an excerpt:

UM NOTEBOOK
Scouts say Seminoles' talent superior to Hurricanes

As exciting as it was for University of Miami and Florida State fans to see both of their programs back in the top 10 and playing in a meaningful rivalry game this late in the season, scouts said Hurricanes coach Al Golden is still playing catch-up with Seminoles coach Jimbo Fisher when it comes to stocking the shelves with talent.

FSU has eight NFL Draft-eligible players ranked in the top 10 at their respective positions by CBSSports.com. Miami, by comparison, has five.

History shows why the Seminoles are a deeper and a more talented team. After Randy Shannon reeled in the fifth-best rated recruiting class in the country in 2008, according to Rivals, FSU's signing classes - anchored by Fisher - were rated better than UM each year (2009: FSU 7th; Miami 15th; 2010: FSU 10th; Miami 16th. 2011: FSU 2nd, Miami 36th; 2012: FSU 6th; Miami 9th; 2013: FSU 10th; Miami 20th).

Making matters tougher for UM has been holding onto its top recruits or developing them. Of the six Rivals four-star prospects Miami signed in 2010 (the Hurricanes didn't sign any five-stars), only three are still with the program (offensive lineman Malcolm Bunche, running back Eduardo Clements and offensive lineman Brandon Linder). Miami signed only two four-star recruits in 2011 (no five-stars) and one (defensive end Jalen Grimble) transferred out this season.

But since Golden has had time to establish himself beginning with the 2012 class, the Hurricanes have signed two Rivals five-star recruits (cornerback Tracy Howard, running back Duke Johnson) and 17 four-star recruits. Of that group, only receiver Angelo Jean-Louis and receiver Robert Lockhart are no longer on the team.

The Hurricanes don't have any five-star recruits among next year's commitments, but they do have 11 four-star prospects. UM's class (26 commitments) is ranked sixth by Rivals. FSU (25 commitments) is ranked seventh.

Sarasota 'cane

Posted by: NigeianCane | November 03, 2013 at 08:58 AM

I see the improvement, it's just hard to watch UM play against top 10 teams regardless of rational expectations.
I saw a bowl projection that would have UM playing against Texas A&M in the Peach Bowl (If we win out and lose the ACCCG). On the one hand that would be a huge step forward for The U if it comes true, on the other hand Texas A&M would wipe the field with this team.
Sometimes reality bites!!

mi@mic@ne

The time we played a superior team in 1983 Kosar hit everything that was moving in an orange jersey. You can beat those teams by throwing.

SOUP

Keep it real folks...on the road again.

#SOUTHBOUND

Da U N Houston

With some of the fans on here you'd think the season is over. As coach says bunker mentality. I'm a huge fan, but as someone who played folks gotta chill. 1st lost, some things got exposed, now back at it. Going to be hard to Replace Duke if he is out, but our D is a good D, FSU is just a great team and no we are not there yet. But we need to get ready to beat VT. Win that game and we should see FSU again.

#FullSpeedAhead

Sinistercane

Good morning SpacerS

I think there needs to be a serious discussion about Al's management skills regarding his BFF NOd and P17. With or without talent our defense is schemed not to lose rather then attacked mode like FSU did to us in the second half, if there aren't any changes made to the defensive coaching staff this off season, expect more of the same. Al's loyalty to P17 is a detrimental to the team as a whole, either he is too hurt to play or too stupid to play, hand him the clip board and call it a day.

PS After is was stated he was smiling and joking on the sideline."I WISH IT WAS P17 ANKLE THAT SNAP IN HALF INSTEAD OF DUKE"

Texascane

A&M has no defense...absolutely no defense. I would love to get a shot at them. he difference at the top is that FSU, Bama have boths dies of the ball.

The long interception on first down in the third killed Miami. The screen pass TD would have scored on any defense in the country that ran the same blitz from that side.

The key, as I said a couple of days ago was that the offense had to match scores and keep it close. Winston is a different player when he has pressure to score on him (first half vs second half).

Unfortunately, Morris was the difference again.

CGNC

Posted by: mi@mic@ne | November 03, 2013 at 09:35 AM

We don't have QBs close to Kosar

CGNC

Unfortunately, Morris was the difference again.

Posted by: Texascane | November 03, 2013 at 09:40 AM

Good post. the UM - A&M matchup would be interesting. LOL getting ahead of myself there.

raizecane

maybe it's me..but I thought the offensive play calling was terrible last night.

And I said it last night, the play where Duke got injured was a terrible call. If your gonna go for it, do a naked boot or roll out and hit your TE....But no, lets run it with 8 men in the box...... we played was to conservative.

CGNC

Sarasota- yeah I remember that logo stomping game and then getting our a$$ handed to us. Now THAT was embarrassing. Losing to an elite team like last night, not so much. Shows what we need to work on to improve.

Texascane

...and while I'm at it, the safety play by Miami is intolerable. We can gripe all we want about DT's but until we get two safeties who can run and play the ball in the air and tackle, it doesn't matter how much pressure we get on the QB. Highsmith and Rodgers may be able to line everyone up right and be where they are supposed to be, but they can't make a play.

laquinton

I just didn't get why we had no pass rush. I don't want to watch that game again... slow knife ? But after AQM missed on 3 sacks, 17 got some pressure once. .. They went with shayon and chick. .. not sure what the play count was but damn. Great to see Deon out there. Earlier they had a great plan vs fsu but after Jenkins int and halftime we adjusted we did not. Coley the Oc lost his battle and Morris couldn't lead me info the bathroom. Go canes. I'll take this L. Beat fsu. 7-1 I'll take it

AfriCane

yes! highsmith is mediocre @ best

Jack

7-1 only loss to FSU not bad my friends! I believe we still finish 10-2 not bad at all!

Building a Program Mr Golden, THANK YOU SIR!!

Jack

I thinks Pitt will be tricky one probably in the snow at the Steelers filed. Must beat VT, Duke "tricky too" and finally pay back UVA damnit!

herbieibis

Yeah, we have a 250lb fullback and we run 190 RB on 4TH & 2 and now Duke is gone. I really don't stand the logic, when you need a yd. It would seem to The Herb, that you would give the ball to a guy that weighs 60lbs more.

VA Cane

Well I got home in time to see the second. Glad my charges were ready to play; we rolled 49-0....Ran the hell out of the ball right at them.....and my D was like walking into a slaughterhouse.....that O they ran....spread got killed. We really played well.

We did not do the things that were needed on either side of the ball. We ran well at first but then got away from it....some TE work but got away from it. 2 TOs were costly, 3rd down we just could not convert. Nice plays by Morris to Hurns...Hurns played well. D we got no pressure, we missed tackles, we could not cover...we got 2 TOs.

We played a deeper, stronger more athletic team; we hung with them in the first half, their deeper and superior motivated talent pulled away. We came and played we got beat. It happens from time to time. You look at the film, get a grip on what went wrong try to correct it and move on with the corrections to the next game. Some things like the pass rush you cannot correct in 1` sitting. Tackling and blocking you do the fundamental drills every day....they should and must be corrected.

So we are 7-1. What are you gonna do now? take your ball and go home, cry, whine, make excuses, point the finger at each other and go on a 3 game losing streak? or......get that Tunnel Vision for VT?....TV for VT that's the saying for this weeks Big Push we focus on VT and work our asses off to get better......cause if we do not quit we got to play those cats again......and dammit I want to play them again and beat them. I never quit I never say die. Go Canes get your heads up and Get To Work!!!!

TV for VT Tunnel Vision for VA Tech....all together now WHOOOOOOSHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

mountain cane

Jack, the average daytime temperature in Pitt in late November is 48 degrees. It won't be snowing. For anyone who has been north of Orlando, it won't even be cold. As I've said before because it is a pet peeve of mine after us get killed in Orlando with everyone on the sidelines in giant parkas at 50 degrees, don't bring any coats. Al should go short sleeves.

How do all Cane nflers succeed in Green bay, buffalo and minny but can't handle 50 degrees in college. Man up.

CoCane

I've been warning yall about Golden & No D's zone. It will NEVER work against a good offense. The game went exactly how I said it would. Winston picked apart the holes in the zone. No amount of talent will fill the holes in our zone. Even with a hellified pass rush, you can just dink & dunk it down the field. Morris just isn't accurate & smart enough to put up the numbers we need. J. Coley & Morris handicap each other. Now Duke is out for the rest of the season. Uh oh... We played hard but until this staff learns how to unleash talent instead of holding it back, we'll continue to get smashed by elite teams. I've enjoyed seeing this team rise to the top 10. I hope the coaches figure things out & survive without to see FSU again in the ACCCG. Go Canes!

CoCane

^^^^ survive without Duke

dj moonbat

Until we have NFLers on that DL, we will constantly have to look at the O to play keep up. I like our DBs and I like our LBs. But our DL is just so ssslllooowww.

Posted by: 360Cane | November 03, 2013 at 06:43 AM


Sloooow and not all that strong.

UM plays that game to a draw (or better) if they have a dominant DL like the UM teams of old. FSU never had to change their offensive tactics, because the DL just couldn't make them.

Unfortunately, the guys who are the core of the reborn Miami line aren't enrolled in the university. IF they enroll on Signing Day 2014, Miami is still a couple years away from having a top-flight DL.

I still don't the OL is as good as everybody keeps saying, but they aren't nearly the glaring liability that the DL is.

VA Cane

Good point CoCane.....good pressure making a guy run, throw early and off balance, getting hit sacked and having to deal with BT man to man was whaat I hoped for last night......and....LOL that's what my kids did. We went man on everybody, and I unleashed the rest out of the Flex and the 46. Now my kids are 13.....but I got a hell of a pass/blitz rush.....they are animals....cannot tell you how many hits sacks hurries....I would bet 10 to 12 sacks....we did knock a WR out....Ouch!!!! he got maimed....and the 1st and 2nd string QBs both came out a couple times each...we were on them. You got to hit people not zone em off. JMO

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