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November 03, 2013

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VA Cane

Sorry Duke got hurt....that was ugly....not sure how he got all crunched up and under in that position....got to move those feet. He's a fine kid...will be back. DC got to carry the load now. He can do it, we need to run the damn ball with authority. got to get better in all phases....cannot stop to cry now. Lets GO!!!

herbieibis

The Herb says this:
"F" the dam zone defense. What's worst getting gutted the entire game or giving up an ocassional bomb. Maybe we might be able to get off the field, with a bump and run plus a blitz.
Go get some difference makers on defense, through recruiting. I still don't see that in this years verbal crop, not at LB, where we need some serious talent, not at DB, where we do have talent but need more depth, so we don't have to play Highsmith and I don't see a difference maker at WR either. We all better hold our breaths and hope Valentine & Stucky can get in at DT. We need some badazz talent on defense and throw in a D- Coordinator, who has got guts. We all know he doesn't have enough firepower on defense but that doesn't mean he had to draw up a pussy defensive scheme. Finally, The Herb says to tank Morris and put Williams in and lets win and get ready for the future and enough of running on first down 80% of the time and being predictable. Coley, you need to grow a set of super sized nuts and drop the vanilla fudge cake offense.

dj moonbat

I've been warning yall about Golden & No D's zone. It will NEVER work against a good offense.

Posted by: CoCane | November 03, 2013 at 10:49 AM


Maybe. But I don't care WHAT scheme we brought against FSU last night. With that DL, it wasn't going to stop that offense. Those guys just are not good enough.

CalgaryCane

I still don't the OL is as good as everybody keeps saying, but they aren't nearly the glaring liability that the DL is.

Posted by: dj moonbat | November 03, 2013 at 10:57 AM

Agreed, but they are still probably the best unit that we have.

CaneRock

Way I look at it, as SOON! as the NCAA announced sanctions, it was YEAR ONE! for Golden. We were basically on probation from the time that Yahoo article came out, and when these LYIN'ASS! mofos were going around SF saying death penalty. Point blank, we got the horses, just NOT ENOUGH! horses. And the GLARING! deficiency on offense to me, is at RB...after Duke, we're STUCK! I'll say it again, I like Crawford, but He's not an elite level RB...SKRAIT UP!

Account Deleted

Drop to 14 in both polls, about right.

Interesting week ahead. VT game is everything now and Duke is gone (reading maybe surgery).

VT has a far better D than us. Crawford will have to step up along with the OL.

So its up to SM to out duel LT. Guess we'll see who is the worst of the two...

Saw SM still smiling in Manny's post game video. Sure doesn't seem to let losing bother him much.......

Account Deleted

soup, weeds are gone...just feeling sad...

VA Cane

Posted by: CaneRock | November 03, 2013 at 11:58 AM


Well thought out CR. Things will improve and we will get more and better horses. FSU had more and better horses last night; we hung around for a while but did not have the depth and quality to get the job done. We got beat and we have to work hard on all fronts to get better....coaches, staff, players and fans....JMO

Texascane

I think Gary Ferman hits it about right.

TALLAHASSEE - Sometimes in sports you have to man up and acknowledge that your opponent is simply better than you are, no matter how much that sucks, no matter how painful it is to reconcile. When that opponent is your arch rival, the team that forever has been your measuring stick, and you get beaten the decisive way that Miami did Saturday at Doak Campbell Stadium, the ache can destroy your soul if you don't possess the fortitude to withstand the poison.

This is the crossroad where the Miami Hurricanes are parked right now folks. They must reconcile how much it means to regroup and defeat a reeling Virginia Tech team Saturday and Duke the next week to seize control of the ACC Coastal Division and point toward a rematch with FSU in the ACC title game.

Florida State beat the Hurricanes handily on Saturday and will be favored by three touchdowns again on the neutral field of Charlotte, should Miami get there. But win or lose, a berth in that game would deem the Cane season a success by any reasonable measurement. You must see that through all the darkness of defeat, right, and this one was plenty dark with the final lasting image of Tallahassee being Duke Johnson on crutches with a cast on his right foot and what was believed to be a broken ankle.

The year is coming and going in a flash, just like this great opportunity on the big stage did for Miami on Saturday.

College Game Day?

The prime time slot on ABC on a Saturday night?

Miami may have been badly trounced, but the Hurricanes were at least there to remind the nation that The U does continue to exist, even if it still might not be totally recognizable to the common eye.

This game was classic Men vs. Boys once Jameis Winston stopped acting like the freshman quarterback that he is and throwing the ball to Miami's safeties.

Miami's defense just didn't have enough personnel to stop the FSU offense. Fans will want to blame defensive coordinator Mark D'Onofrio on this one, but trust me, D'Onofrio tried everything. He mixed coverages. He brought blitzes from everywhere. And none of it worked.

The scariest thing for Miami is that it really wasn't even close to good enough on that side of the ball, even with the well-acknowledged forward advancement that has been made this year.

The struggles against North Carolina and Wake Forest were not a mirage.

Miami was particularly exposed at linebacker and with safety A.J. Highsmith, who was totally overmatched athletically by FSU's receivers and backs, was beaten and missed tackles repeatedly and had an awful game. The Canes' pass rush was non-existent even when they did blitz because players were just not explosive enough against FSU's better athletes.

And the offense? There was so much hope at times, but just nowhere near the consistency to stay with these guys on their turf. Because of the defensive liabilities, Miami once again just didn't get to run enough plays, just 57 to FSU's 73. There was zero margin for error against a very good defense, and when the Canes fizzled with an opportunity to tie the game at the start of the third quarter, the most critical possession of the game, it only opened the flood gates for the avalanche. And FSU was not blowing that invite. No chance.

Maybe if Miami could have put together a good drive there and put some pressure on the Noles that they have not experienced this year, the Canes might have had a chance. But they could not. They will never know.

So Miami will not go undefeated in 2013, a bulletin for those who actually believed in the possibility.

The thought of that has always been kind of insane, no matter how attainable it seemed. Al Golden has always been grounded, always sure to remind that this program very much remains a work in progress. Too many South Florida studs have been lost in recruiting over the last five years and not enough great defensive players have been signed.

Cornerback Ladarius Gunter was the only Miami defender who really stood out Saturday night.

It was kind of astonishing really. Even guys like Denzel Perryman looked so ordinary out there, not reading plays quickly enough because they were developing ... well ... so quickly.

So it's circle the wagons time for Miami because the truth is that these next two weeks are way more important to this team and this program than Saturday's game in Tally. The Noles are one of the three best teams in the country this year, and we knew long ago that Miami was not. But to call this season a success, Miami must get to Charlotte. It must win the remainder of its games against competition it should be able to handle, and embrace the challenge of doing so with its best offensive weapons - Phillip Dorsett and Duke Johnson - on the sidelines.

It is Charlotte or bust.

This is a team that has collapsed under the weight of adversity the past two seasons and now must show growth by using that as fuel to get through the season. A similar fade from glory in 2013 would be particularly devastating simply because of all the progress the Hurricanes have made as a program in the first part of the season.

Miami kicked things off in September on a quest to become relevant again, and the Hurricanes were a meaningful part of the college football season for the first time in a long time Saturday, even if they were not quite big enough for the moment.

So, in that regard, this latest little trip up to the State Capitol was a winner for the Canes.

But it's all for naught if things don't press forward from here.

The Miami mission Saturday was to get the game to the fourth quarter, and for a while it looked like that would be accomplished.

The Hurricanes have typically gotten off to slow starts defensively this year and things didn't look very promising when FSU took the opening kickoff and went 72 yards in 13 plays for a touchdown. The disappointment was magnified when Matt Goudis continued his annoying habit of missing field goal attempts, wasting the momentum of a quality Miami offensive drive, and FSU began moving again.

But Deon Bush intercepted an overthrown Winston pass at the UM 35 and Miami struck quickly to tie the score with a 33-yard touchdown pass from Morris to Allen Hurns.

FSU took command with a pair of touchdowns in the first part of the second quarter against the defenseless Miami D. But Miami got a gift late in the half when Winston threw the ball to Rayshawn Jenkins. When Morris hit Hurns again on a beautiful pitch and catch in the back of the end zone, Miami had a lease on life down by only seven at intermission.

But the third quarter was a nightmare, and it began with that failure on the opening drive. FSU put up 165 yards of offense in the period and put the game away before the Hurricanes knew what had happened. This was a team that scored 35 points in the first quarter against NC State a week ago. Give the Noles an opening to trounce you and they have no problem with it.

The cold reality for Miami is that through various circumstances it has not really improved as the season has gone along, which is kind of unusual. On offense, that can be attributed to the injury woes of Morris, Johnson and Dorsett and Seantrel Henderson's failures and lack of accountability, which necessitated too much shuffling on the offensive line. Defensively, Miami has really missed having Deon Bush out there as an every down safety and playmaker and another impact player or two in general.

That's why the bottom line remains recruiting, because if there was one thing that was glaring on this latest visit to Doak Campbell Stadium, it was that there is no substitute for great players - and a lot of them.

But the silver lining at this moment in time is that even with that acknowledgement, Miami really can go 11-1 this year and possibly earn a spot in the Chick-fil-A bowl game in Atlanta against an SEC foe that would probably be Georgia or South Carolina. That would be one of the sexiest matchups of the post-season. The year 2013 can still be one of tremendous progress, even if we all know it would be a launching point on a long road that still lies ahead for Al Golden and his staff.

True forward progress in 2013 would be a strong finish, a fight through this latest wave of adversity.

Which way will the Hurricanes go? How much have they grown?

Those are the questions laid before the Hurricanes now that the question of whether they were ready to compete with FSU has been so decisively and undeniably answered.



LA3

I just don't know what to say.....according to most we are 14th ranked team in the nation with horrible QB, LB, and Defense coach. 7-1 record. We played #3 team in country in their house....they are special...they have NFL talent as several positions. We played without top WR. Playing hurt QB, freshman WR,,,,,,

These no name no nothing kids are trying...playing above their level in some cases. They may not have made plays last night but they did fight until mid way thru 3rd quarter.

I will take the 7-1. (And most would have too before the season started.) This is a work in progress....if we can say some growth and win some more games this year then Canes are doing well.

LET's GO CANES! Beat VaTech Pokies.

laquinton

Hey, as long as we run the ball with Dallas and OT we should be fine. The defense is playing much better. We saw the depth tested. Miami has the best chances to win out and lose yet again to FSU and play in a good bowl game carrying the momentum into next year. Let's go canes

VA Cane

Lot of rumblings in Blacksburg; I know believe me....lots of inside sources. They have lost to Duke and BC. One reason is that they have no offense....and they cannot stop a good run game. Beamer is under huge pressure; he is in twilight of his career. His son Shane, through default, not ability is set to take his place in the future. Jim Weaver AD is not well and rumor has it he will step down, Beamer to AD, Shane Beamer to HC....and Bud Foster out of there. That will be there death. Not sure Foster is HC, but a great DC. If he had pure talent that top dogs have, he would create the best D in country.

All the more reason for VT to be a stumbling block. Lose to Duke at home, lose to BC there....lots of griping, bitching, complaining.....what better way to quiet the storm than to regroup and beat a down UM team? We cannot get down dammit, we move on.
Now to those of you who looked at this 3 weeks ago or so....you know who you are....its here. Now we can really focus on VT instead of talking about it. We need to run the damn ball. Crawford and Clements and OL got to focus on that. SM needs to command a strong run game, and hit some receivers. D has to pressure Thomas, and tackle him. He is the reason they have won, and he has struggled. Hes a big boy, and if you can swarm him stop their limited O and cover people...man...you can win. Time to get focused on this game.....cannot have a 2-3 game slide. We find out how big we are now.

CoCane

Omg... I listened to Duane Starks on the radio after the game last night. He also said the talent isn't what beat us. It was game planning & execution. Morris missed 2 wide open TD passes. Our LB's were 10 yards back on EVERY 3rd & short, giving up the 1st down before the snap. Players play the way they're coached to play. We've seen this shyt for 2 1/2 years but react dumbfounded when I tell you what will happen & it comes true...

TonyCane

For the FSU fans who think that they are on par with Alabama - not quite. Here's how they compare against a team that had the number one recruiting class in 2011, 2012, and 2013:

Alabama vs Florida State (last 4 classes)

FLORIDA STATE
Total 5 Stars: 8
Total 4 Stars: 39
Total 3 Stars: 41
Total 2 Stars: 3

ALABAMA
Total 5 Stars: 11
Total 4 Stars: 56
Total 3 Stars: 31
Total 2 Stars: 1

WWIN

Actually the first half was on the players not the coaches. Players were in position to make plays but didn't capitalize. Same can be said on the first possession of the second half, Coley was open for a TD but was under thrown. Morris actually played his best first half ever.

Second half was more on the coaches. Our running game got too cute instead of running the same type of plays we ran the first half. Note to staff, that diamond formation that ga tech and unc ran against us only works on our D, also nobody believes Morris is going to run the ball on these read option plays we run so its a waste of a play.

Golden, has three keys on his key chain and keeps trying to force the same key in the hole that doesn't fit and won't ever attempt to at least try another key, is puzzling. He's had two years to get Morris and Williams ready.

TonyCane

And for the fun of it, here's Nick Saban's first four classes against Al Golden's:

Saban (2007-2010)
Total 5 Stars: 11
Total 4 Stars: 58
Total 3 Stars: 34
Total 2 Stars: 3

Golden (2010-2014)
Total 5 Stars: 2
Total 4 Stars: 29
Total 3 Stars: 44
Total 2 Stars: 5

This is the effect of the NCAA investigation at play, but it shows how Alabama got to where they were and how far we need to go.

VA Cane

Well we did do much better than them in punting average 53.0, and we only had 2 penalties for 5 yards. Those are 2 areas that were not big factors, but I still like to see them positive.

Both will be important vs VT. Get your horse blinders on Cane fans, and lets focus starting today on what we need to do to win.

TonyCane

Miami after 8 games, Record, Points For, Points Allowed:

1994: 7-1 (270-86)
1995: 5-3 (225-151)
1996: 6-2 (249-111)
1997: 4-4 (225-202)
1998: 6-2 (302-154)
1999: 5-3 (239-151)
2000: 7-1 (356-157)
2001: 8-0 (325-72)
2002: 8-0 (344-141)
2003: 7-1 (260-138)
2004: 6-2 (260-153)
2005: 7-1 (240-86)
2006: 5-3 (187-119)
2007: 5-3 (203-174)
2008: 5-3 (244-180)
2009: 6-2 (239-192)
2010: 5-3 (228-151)
2011: 4-4 (227-178)
2012: 4-4 (215-259)
2013: 7-1 (291-165)

Hurricanes in last four games of regular season:

1994: 4-0
1995: 4-0
1996: 3-1
1997: 3-1
1998: 3-1
1999: 3-1
2000: 4-0
2001: 4-0
2002: 4-0
2003: 3-1
2004: 2-2
2005: 3-1
2006: 1-3
2007: 0-4
2008: 2-2
2009: 3-1
2010: 2-2
2011: 2-2
2012: 3-1
2013: FINISH STRONG!

Canesteeler

Fsu's talent and coaching is better. AG has to recruit his ass off and improve the talent level on both sides of the ball. I think Coley and Dno are in over their heads. That soft ass sissy zone is BS football. AG rally the boys and let's beat VT next week. FSU will beat Bama for the National Championship. Once again SM is Jacory with a strong arm. Duke speedy recovery. I am not upset because I thought the outcome would be what it was. Recruit, recruit, recruit and make a change say OC and DC.

Canesteeler

Willie I agree with your post.

Brett

Last night showed up the flaws n our coaching.. No'd & these zone plays r not what's up. 4-3 man up - let's play.. Instead we play off da line 10yards -- no pass rush.. & 4 this OC I mean come on dude not 1 screen play 2 da RB.. We ran da ball on 1st down 90% of the time.. FSU out coached us n da 2nd half. I mean they adjusted 2 our running game.. I would 2 if u keep running left every 1st down. It's obvious we need a real DC this dude we hv garbage. 2 make matters worst we lost Duke 4 da season on a 4th & 2 where our online was pushed back-- da while stadium knew we was running left..

No 2 TE sets , no 3 wr I mean come on coley u need 2 b creative.. We hv the horses -- run them - last but least SM - Sm has no heart dude does wavy 2 b great.. He will b a Christian ponder type .. I mean his so inconsistent & inaccurate.. His game has 2 many flaws -- he needs a Qb coach.. Btw ---- who is THE HERB?? Lmao

CoCane

Yeah Canesteeler. I agree. Coley & No'D are in over their heads. But if Golden doesn't see it, so is he. This coaching staff is good for 8-10 win seasons conistantly but not championships. Jmo

WWIN

Canesteeler, like Coke said, Coley and D'no fall on Golden, those are his guys. Also Morris falls on him too.

CGNC

VA Cane - you are on a roll with your posting! Very insightful and accurate.

Canesteeler - I agree with you.

Let's Go Canes
Beat VT

VA Cane

Greg Olsen J Graham both catch TDS......how is it we have great TEs in the pros, yet we have not gotten into using them as we used to. It is a great weapon; I had 6 catches by my TEs last night. They block a lot but they get open for me. I like going north south.....quick screens going forward are just like a run....and another thing we do not do often is get the run game going.....hit some passes to TEs or crossing...run a screen....then cross them up with a quick draw play. We I still do it; give my FULLBACK a chance to run....we do still have a fullback....why not use him in more ways? JMO

WWIN

Positives....

Our WR's got open all night, especially Stacey Coley. He's going to be our difference maker.

WWIN

Also, this is the second player Coley has gotten hurt with dumb play calling, see the play that got Dorsett hurt.

VA Cane

Good points all of you. I felt like FSU put in a great game plan, executed it and....Coaches and players really believed in it....they were confident sure and played with abandon while executing it. We looked ok at times...some decent runs...2 nice TDs....but we looked hesitant. We looked like we were not sure we could run it....we looked like we were fearful of Man Cov, of stepping up to the line as a LB on 3rd and blasting a back or blocker, or thinking we could convert on 3rd. FSU to me KNEW they could do what they planned and did it....with passion and confidence.

That's part of having a deep, strong, well coached and well developed team that believes in the plan and the coaching. Takes time....again my charges are 13, but last night they executed flawlessly.....I mean they do what I ask them to with confidence....and whatever I call, right or wrong they execute with heart and effort...in short they believe in me....and I know how good they are and really believe in them.

We must have a great plan, all must be in.....and go out there and let it rip....theres no backing off or holding back. JMO

VA Cane

Not down on Morris, but Willie, perhaps its time to get Williams in for some action.....hell it might help Morris see things differently, and get the kid some reps....in real game situations. I know you have called for this, and I do not think it would hurt. Change things up a little...run some no huddle hurry up run the ball and let Williams gun a few....he is healthy and not totally green. I have done it in the past with some crazy success and without people hanging their heads and getting down. JMO

Montreal-Cane

Not enough mad players on the Canes...Kehoe`s group of Lazy tall choir boys got me sick yesterday especially after the whistle when Duke was crushed by FSU mad men with the result of a broken ankle...I hope his right knee is ok by the way...look at the replay...

We love you Al Golden but after the season you need to make major changes on your coaching staff and go get the very best DC and defensive back coach...Also if Jedd Fisch gets fired...Please take him back...Our OC may be a good recruiter but his play calling is so predictable. No Wonder Jimbo never wanted him to call plays at FSU...

Jimbo is just a great Coach. FSU lost so many players to the NFL after last season plus he has almost an entire new coaching staff...With him it's no excuse and we reload...

Enough for the negative.

Now can we have the running game going next week with Crawford if healthy...Clements, Walter Tucker or Gus the Bus...May be big Mo on 3rd and short and goal line situations...

Sandland deserves to start over Walford who played like s...last night...

Finally can we recruit the 2 fastest pass rushers in the country pleassssssse...

jsy

My Christmas year this year is for vt to fall apart and bud foster be let go and becomes our dc. It's just wishful thinking but he would be the ideal man to run our defense. It would be a win win for everyone bc imagine the defense he would field with our athletes. He would dominate on defense with our players and after two - three years could become a hc somewhere. I always respected that man and feel he doesn't get the credit he deserves. I never thought this point last year Jed would be gone and replaced with coley so u never know but it's just wishful thinking at this point. It just seems like the perfect marriage because in all of college football the only defense constantly plays defense like we used to is vt.

Sarasota 'cane

Posted by: jsy | November 03, 2013 at 03:07 PM

That would be a dream scenario, but it would seem that Bud Foster is ready to coach his own team at this point.

TJL

Would love for Bud Foster to get fired at VT-get rid of the BFF Dno and hire Bud!

WWIN

VA, playing Williams can't be any worse lol. I actually think that Golden is not playing Williams because he wants to give the qb job to Olsen or Kaaya for the next 3-4yrs. But he's gon have a problem with Olsen if Kaaya gets it or he'll have a problem with Kaaya if he doesn't wanna red shirt.

jsy

In the past if I remember correctly when the West Virginia and Clemson hc spots were available he was interested but passed over. I mean everybody talks about Saban and his defense, I'm of the mindset that fosters get up field attacking style is better he never had the horses that Saban had. If we could somehow get him here we would once again have opposing offenses fear us. I hate how teams don't fear us anymore and that's bc of our soft purée defense.

TGU_CANE

"Killing me softly with this zone, killing me softly..." song by D'No dedicated to us.

VA Cane

I know he is good.....and he played at Memphis. Hes not green and I think it would be worth trying, just to have a different look. Not saying bench Morris, but is it obvious he is hurt still (not an excuse)his accuracy and judgment are not on this year, and you got to have great play form QB.

I know Foster a little...when a couple guys I played with father died, we went down to a little club in Radford....they had a raffle, couple VT guys there....and Bud was there. He was nice...likes women and beer....has a rep in Bburg as a ladies man....hes married but not my call to judge him. I think with what is going on in Bburg, he will not get HC job.....but could coach D anywhere in CFB. I would take him, he is very good. Beamers son set to become HC in a couple or sooner....Foster getting squeezed even though he has been loyal.....and responsible for a lot of Beamers success.

CaneRock

PHUCK! Bud Foster!

Didn't McGahee run through that HIGHSCHOOL! ass defense for 6 TDs! LMAO!

If anything, I'd rather have the Oregon DC, now that's an attacking 3-4 right there!

CaneRock

^^^^^^^^^^Hell, I'd take Bill Young back, before I go and get Foster. LMAO!

Sarasota 'cane

PHUCK! Bud Foster!

Posted by: CaneRock | November 03, 2013 at 03:33 PM

How do you feel about Bud Foster if he's available? :-)

WWIN

VA, also our players are being told all week long how good the other team is and that its going to be a hard game, so that's what they start to believe and it gives our opponents the upper hand. That's why we play down to the ga techs, and unc's, because out players believe they are better than what they are. As a coach you don't mention how good or bad the opponents are. IMO

SOUP

soup, weeds are gone...just feeling sad...

Posted by: longtimecanefan | November 03, 2013 at 12:13 PM

Well done, well done.

BEERicane

If Duke has a single malleolar fracture, he should be able to make a good recovery. a bi- or trimalleolar fracture (tib/fib) that could be a serious recovery time. May never be the same again.

Such a meaningless play. Horrible way to go down, but he went out fighting all the way. He played his ass off out there! Get better soon, Duke!!

SOUP

Just back to the CCC in Winter Haven.

Me so tired.

Sinistercane

How can you continue to start p17 when he is on the sidelines smiling after the loss FSU

BEERicane

Because he made 2 all-Pro NFL throws.

Williams out there we get shut out

CaneRock

Because he made 2 all-Pro NFL throws.

Williams out there we get shut out

Posted by: BEERicane | November 03, 2013 at 04:07 PM

YUP! That 2nd TD to Hurns was a LASER!

WWIN

Beer, so you saying Morris is a scoring machine?

dj moonbat

YUP! That 2nd TD to Hurns was a LASER!

Posted by: CaneRock | November 03, 2013 at 04:14 PM


I can't bring myself to think about how bad last night would've looked without Hurns.

CalgaryCane

With Duke out, we become very one dimensional... I wonder if we play Williams?

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